Wednesday, August 02, 2006

The World as Lebanon

The Hashmonean has extensive analysis on IDF ground operations in Lebanon, including a map which shows current movement to date. In the south, he identifies three main areas of attack involving 6 brigades: west, center and east. Of the western prong, Hashmonean says, "what will be interesting to see on this prong is how far the IDF goes in regards to Tyre (on the map as Sour). Tyre is where the rockets hitting Haifa are believed to be originating from, it is a big city with a heavy duty Hezbollah presence". In the center are the mountains of Bint Jbeil. The eastern prong bears is critical because it potentially threatens the Hezbollah's supply line with its patrons. "This area is critical, as it is the intersection of Israel, Lebanon, Syria and subsequently one of Hezbollah's access points to Syrian / Iranian supplies." Halutz on the Baalbek operation is quoted as saying:

"During last night an operation took place in the heart of Lebanon. We struck over ten Hizbullah members and took five hostage. The purpose of the operation was to make clear that we can operate in the depth of Lebanon," Halutz told journalists. Halutz addressed the military achievements of the operation and reported that "Hizbullah sustained hundreds of dead terrorists, more than a hundred, two hundred, and three hundred. In addition, we struck their medium and long-range rocket system."

Political analysis is provided by From Beirut to the Beltway who argues that no matter how successful Israeli military actions may be, there is no way that other Lebanese parties can be turned against Hezbollah. The core of his argument is that the Israeli attack has weakened all the parties, not just Hezbollah and it will remain relatively stronger than the rest.

One of the disturbing aspects of this war is the belief that it can turn Lebanese people against Hizbullah and weaken its political grip over the country. ...The above line of thought is delusional at best. Israel has never been a successful agent of change in Lebanon (not that it should be). Their involvement has always led to catastrophic results, and deepened the fissures in Lebanese society. ... The scale of destruction may have painted them in a bad light in the early stages of this war, but three weeks later, they have emerged as the only organized and efficient entity in Lebanon. There are no political parties with a heavier weight and comparable popular base in the country. Aoun’s FPM may come close, but their supporters stand to dwindle after this, leaving the FPM a weaker party, and one that cannot stand up to Hizbullah anyway. Hariri’s future movement is in disarray, and Saad has not been able to fill his father’s shoes, or amass much popularity. Such was the extent of damage inflicted on Lebanon since the Hariri assassination. If there were elections in Lebanon tomorrow, the current majority will probably lose, and the Assad puppets will return. Walid Jumblatt may appeal to some of us, but the man is holed up in his mountain recluse, and I doubt these events will make him a less likely target for an assassination.

He quotes Jumblatt as saying: “We will be just a weak state next to a very strong militia. Our government will be like the government of Abu Mazen (Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas) next to Hamas or maybe worse like the government of [Nouri al] Maliki in Iraq.”

On a more planetary scale, James Fallows has an article in the Atlantic which argues that the US has already won over al-Qaeda, in the sense of creating a response system and political climate that makes it impossible for the AQ to achieve decisive success. But that bad news is that the same developments have made it impossible to achieve decisive victory. Victory has turned al-Qaeda into a kind of meme shop, a "consolation prize" for Osama to be sure.

195 Comments:

Blogger Tony said...

On the technology, it's striking that the Israelis can send an "Apocalypse Now" size helicopter assault that far into Indian Country. I guess now we know why they chopped up the cell phone network. But ... doesn't Syria have radar? How low do you have to fly over such bare terrain to get under radar? Sorta puts the MANPADS threat in perspective, they can't shoot what they can't see.

And it doesn't make sense to think all those thundering machines could have used terrain masking over what we've been led to believe is heavily fortified and prepared defenses. What a strike, it's like when our guys first showed up over Panama. Small battlefields make for surprise, I suppose.

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Belmont posters once again told me what to expect more than any other media. Red River and Trish mentioned the similarity with Op Anaconda last week, the airborne ops and all. And more recently, Aristides predicted big things this week. Damn, I love this blog.

8/02/2006 03:34:00 PM  
Blogger MyTimeCards said...

Assuming the IDF isn't all of a sudden incompetent, it seems like there are only two possible winning strategies -- one being to cut off, trap and kill a large number of Hezbollah fighters and associated unavoidable "civilians" in a merciless display that won't soon be forgotten. But isn't it possible that Israel has decided that fighting a nation-state would be preferable to the messiness of mixing it up with an embedded militia, and that they'd rather help Hezbollah take over Lebanon entirely first? This way both Hezbollah and Hamas would have civil, infrastructure and other related responsibilities, and in the case of Lebanon an army, making them easier to defeat in a demonstrable way.

I realize that gets them back almost to where they are now, but unless they find a way to turn the populations against these groups, the future seems to point to genocide. (1E9, if I remember Wretchard's post on that.)

8/02/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

" How low do you have to fly over such bare terrain to get under radar? "
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They went hundreds of miles out to sea, requiring refueling!
Were at hospital from 10 p to 3 am.
Just missed hostages, according to Yoni.
Lots of hard drives and etc, and of course the unknown oxygen stealers.

8/02/2006 03:47:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Another day has passed, it will soon be dawn in Lebanon. The IDF has not advanced in the night, according to press reports. Where they were yesterday, fierce fighting still is ongoing.

The chances of clearing the Bekaa in the allotted IDF timeline, as reported by FOX, is marginal.

I had read "Beirut to the Beltway" earlier but did not want to dampen the gung-ho spirit of the many BCers that still believe that the Course we are on in the ME is correct.

His discription of Iraq's government "... Our government will be like the government of Abu Mazen (Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas) next to Hamas or maybe worse like the government of [Nouri al] Maliki in Iraq.” ..."

If that is how the banner we have raised in the ME is viewed by those able to communicate in English, well, just imagine how it's viewed by the illiterate masses.

Who will be flocking to the flag of freedom, when what we have established in Iraq is seen as anarchy? The worst example of Government available in the Region?
Worse for it's people than Fatah and Hamas are for the Palistinians.

Not to worry, B tt B is obviosly an educated Lebanonese, so his view don't count, aye?

8/02/2006 03:49:00 PM  
Blogger unaha-closp said...

Extraneus is right. Shia dominance in Lebanon will weight down Hezbollah with other concerns and at the same time provide the Shia with other potential avenues of supply (ie Lebanese taxes might provide more than Iranian aid). This might be bad, might be good, but it has got to be tried. Currently the Hezbollah need to keep Iran happy, more than anything else because the Iranians have holds of money and faith over Hezbollah. Gifting Shia power in Lebanon strengthens the Shiite financial position breaking one of the holds.

Alternatively genocide could also work.

8/02/2006 03:52:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Ready for another Front?
A New Hub for Terrorism?

"... a growing Islamic fundamentalist movement linked to al-Qaeda and Pakistani intelligence agencies is steadily converting the strategically located nation of Bangladesh into a new regional hub for terrorist operations that reach into India and Southeast Asia. ...
... With some 15,000 hard-core fighters operating out of 19 known base camps, guerrilla groups sponsored by the Jamaat and its allies were able to paralyze the country last Aug. 17 by staging 459 closely synchronized explosions in all but one of the country's administrative districts. When the key leaders of these groups were captured, they were kept by the police in a comfortable apartment, where they were free to receive visitors. ..."


We have lots of time, it's just another local conflict on the far side of the world.

8/02/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger Tom Grey said...

typo: " Of the eastern prong," <<
Tyre is on the Western prong.

I hope the Israelis get a reasonable victory over Hez, but fear they won't have time. They were too slow with ground troops.

I hope the US pushes for a big, 20 000 plus in troops for helping Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah.

I fear for the West when the intentions of Hez, to murder, are equated with those of Israel, to protect themselves.

8/02/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"We have lots of time, it's just another local conflict on the far side of the world."
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Don't pay never no mind to what goes on in the sideshows:
Pay attention to the main event of the week/month year.
Such is the long war.
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Maybe Buddy can recall the name of the brilliant, energetic, Bangladeshi Tiger that use to grace these pages with his hatred of America.
...I just did it myself:
ZUB !
Probably in AQ intelligence unit by now.

8/02/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

As David Crocket said to Jim Bowie & Will Travis in San Antonio.

"We're goin' to need more men"

8/02/2006 04:18:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

rufus 10:48 PM,
We had the hard Crustys,
and the Crusty Mrs Trish,
who asserted it'd be hard all the way through.
Perhaps judging by herself? ;-)

8/02/2006 04:19:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

'Rat,
My wife opened up some old pics of her dad when he worked on an AZ Dude Ranch back in the 20's!
Hopefully I'll get some kind of scanner setup, so you can see some of the choice ones.
Them Desert Injuns looked as tough as you described:
Especially their skin!

8/02/2006 04:22:00 PM  
Blogger timmiejoebob said...

An interesting way to look at international terrorism is as if Al Queda and Hezbollah (or the state sponsors for which they are proxies) are analogs for competing corporations like Coke and Pepsi for example. They are two competing organizations with nearly identical products that each seek market dominance over the other.

Just for kicks, think of them in terms of the four Ps of marketing strategy: Product, price, place and promotion. Fill in the blanks as your metaphor generator sees fit.

Terror attacks on the west are part of the promotional strategy, but they are not the product.

Right now Hezbollah has captured market share from AQ. Whether the cost of the promotional strategy will offset gains in share is yet to be seen and very much in the hands of the Israelis, but it is arguable that this has been a successful gambit to leapfrog past AQ, which has been on the ropes of late.

My take, which is worth the price of the bits it's printed on, is that HB passed the point of diminishing returns a couple days ago. The most successful outcome for HB would have been to demonstrate military parity with IDF. Baalbek took that from them. Further fighting will erode both the image and the always lesser reality of their strength.

HB would be wise to find a way out before there's nothing left.

As my Daddy used to say, "Think the rain will hurt the rhubarb? ... Not if it's in cans."

8/02/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

rufus,
Think the "source" that told her that is the same one that said it'd all be over in "10 days to 2 weeks" 21 days ago?

Let's watch the speed and depth of the advance, not the press releases relating the ease of the job.

Because, as PB delights in sayin', this is all just an Event, not an Outcome.

8/02/2006 04:25:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

timmiejoe,
Usta love that Rhubarb Pie back on the farm!

8/02/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

There's an interesting article about The Four Mothers who led the Israeli antiwar movement that led to the withdrawal from Lebanon and the terrifying feeling among them that they have "blood on their hands". It's a story of people who have tried war and made a leap for faith for peace only to find that peace was really just war with a mask.

Just now Ehud Olmert has been politically forced to suspend his cherished "realignment" program, the heart and soul of his political program. People talk about how Israel's actions have galvanized the Hezbollah. But the other side of the coin is that many Jews are literally convinced that it's 1938 all over again, not as metaphor but as reincarnation.

Neither the pace of the IDF nor the machinations of France can forseeably shake this terrible impression. The West has learned to fear the apolcalyptic visions of groups like the Hezbollah; but far more terrifying is an Israel convinced that it is fighting for its life. They can take this war into places we can only guess and will probably regret. And this time, the French won't sooth them.

8/02/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Just now Ehud Olmert has been politically forced to suspend his cherished "realignment" program, the heart and soul of his political program."
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Yoni reports Reservists said they would refuse to serve if the goal was Olmert's Nightmare.

8/02/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

No doubt the Israelis are acutely aware that any one of those 200 rockets today, could on another day carry a real payload.
Plus it's not much fun to put life on hold and wait.
...and hope you're not unlucky today.

8/02/2006 04:49:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

rufus and habu,

re: time

Mr. Olmert is so pleased with the recent behavior of his Palestinian peace partners that he wants to spend his time productively negotiating the surrender of the West Bank to them. He just cannot get enough Hamas.

Amazingly enough, with Israel fully occupied with defending itself from attacks from Lebanon and Gaza and facing a potential foe in Syria, Mr. Olmert wants to give the Islamofascists another base of operations in the West Bank.

Mr. Olmert is no Chesty Puller.

8/02/2006 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

Sami Moubayed writing in the Asia Times describes the 3 Lebanons: the Shi'ite Lebanon living on Hezbollah's largesse; the Sunni Lebanon with traditional connections to Syria; the Christian Lebanon with its historical links to France. And Nasrallah, the pan-Arab, pan-Lebanese, pan-Islamic figure who bestrides it all, largely on the back of his military successes against Israel.

Success breeds success. Nasrallah is the symbol of Lebanon to many because of his past successes against Israel. All the proposals which advocate handing Nasrallah what amounts to a political victory or not fighting him at all, just sitting there and taking it, come up against this hard fact: that it will only bloat him and all he stands for him. Nearly every historical tyrant I can think of, from Napoleon to Hitler remained wildly popular for so long as they were victorious. And that is why history is so tragic, because the only path to ending their tyranny led by process of elimination through long and terrible process of giving them the only thing they could not withstand: defeat.

8/02/2006 04:58:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

20 Jewish shops in Rome vandalized, defaced with swastikas

8/02/2006 05:04:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

Tom Grey,

Have fixed typo thanks.

8/02/2006 05:07:00 PM  
Blogger Annoy Mouse said...

I am constantly amazed at the extent of the Hezbollah capital and infrastructure that they have amassed. Where do they get such monies? Do they have bake sales, perhaps Falafel stands are a big business? This whole business reeks of oil money. Lebanese oil? There is an evil presence here in this nation and they’ve been agitating for a showdown. The only question now is tempo. Manaña or faster please?

8/02/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger Final Historian said...

From a link that Wretchard supplied:

"So I believe in Rabin's approach. That we have to understand that every six or seven years, there will be fighting. Because in this region it's impossible to talk about peace. The maximum is conflict management. So it's not that a unilateral approach brings war. Here, we are always either before or after a war. Unilateral acts are needed so that we can fight the war from within a recognized border. Like now. Look at the strength it gives us to fight a war from within a recognized border. So don't tell me that we defeated the IDF. Don't tell me that we destroyed the ethos of combat. That we transformed Israel into a spider-web society. That's cheap talkback stuff. Nasrallah's bombast. It is true that we were wrong in thinking that Nasrallah would not pursue us into Galilee. We were wrong in our evaluation of what would happen.

"But still, leaving Lebanon brought six years of quiet. That's a done deed. No one can argue with that. Six years is the lives of 150 young men. It's the blossoming and prosperity of Galilee. And even now, being out of Lebanon makes it possible for us to mount this strong response. When we were in Lebanon we could not respond like this, because then we were occupiers, whereas now we are just. Today we are fighting for our home from within the international border."


War every six to seven years? This woman doesn't seem to understand that one of these days, that war will not be conventional. Things will change, one way or another. History is never static. What kind of change will it be? And who will decide it? That remains to be seen.

8/02/2006 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Doug, yep, I remember Zub, the Bengali techie working in Scotland. Nice guy. He won't be one of the Islamists--he's got too much self-understanding to get wrapped in the emotion. Bangladesh was bound to have trouble, surprised it has taken so long. if you recall, Zub said AQ-ism wasn't likely to get strong in Bangladesh because the commies absorbed that clientele. But as so many are noting--it's even in Blair's speech--there's little functional difference in any group that wants first to wreck the order of the system.

8/02/2006 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Final Historian,

Peace!? For six years? Apparently, the dear lady lives a very sheltered life.

Words and actions have consequences that do not always comport with our desires and wishes. Wise men understand this. The fools of the left find the reality incomprehensible.

Their motto: I wish; therefore, it is.

8/02/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...

I'm not an expert on ballistic missile systems so this will be very amateurish.

Hezbollah is firing rockets off like my brother & I in the back yard before the 4th. Never knew where they were going to end up so always had to light & run.

Is it possible that Iran is gleaning some valuable lessons in rocketry here - since they are playing from waaaaay behind?

Or is there not enough standardization in Hez's methods to help them gain from the experience?

8/02/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger Gudovac1941 said...

I am bit concerned that the IDF isn't going up the coast route.

If the point is to encircle the HB's and force them to concentrate then the Western Brigade should be hugging the coast on (at least from my exceedingly limited prespective)

Does anyone know why hugging the coast is a bad idea ?

Forget the Bekka - For the IDF to be victorious, they need to concetrate the HB into a compact mass.......... read up on Wehmacht campaigns against the Yugoslav Partizans.....


Also - Is the Nahal Division raised from Kibutznik or Orthodox types. conflicting information on the web. I'm pretty certain the IDF para's are 'seriously' secular/urbane and the Golani are basically raised from what we'd think of as "red necks" but don't have a handle on the Nahal.

Does anyone have a idea of who joins the Nahal div ?

8/02/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

rufus,

Yoni's blog is the handwriting on Mr. Olmert's wall. He will have to go before he and the peace movement do further damage.

"Hizbullah is protecting Israel against itself"

http://www.yonitheblogger.com/
Olmert Backs Down on Post War Retreat

8/02/2006 05:57:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

rufus,
Argentina could "never" sink a British Cruiser, either, but I was in Argentina when they did.
But then that was just another Event.

The USS Cole was taken out of action with heavy duty rowboat.
Granted it was not sunk, so no worries, just another event.

Your ability to dismiss the capabilities of an Enemy we have not fixed, let alone defeated, in over twentyfive years would almost be fummy, if the symptoms did not indicate a much more serious condition.

8/02/2006 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Mixed Loyalties and Mixed Emotions in Memoriam

This week a young American soldier died in combat. He was a born and raised in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. He entered the military shortly after graduating from high school. This young American male did not hear the calling to join the US Marines, The US Navy, the Air Force or the US Army or any other military unit in the country where he was born and raised. At the age of 21, he would have been 16 at the time of 911. Where other young Americans would join the US military, Michael Levin joined the Israeli Army and this week this young man from Bucks County is among the early casualties in the fighting in Lebanon this week.

To his comrades-in-arms and his friends outside the Israeli army, First Sgt. Michael Levin was known as a "lone soldier." He was one of the young men from all over the world who come to Israel by themselves to serve in the Israeli armed forces.

Sgt. Levin was fatally wounded in fierce combat, during which the Hezbollah fired anti-tank weapons and Sagger missiles at his unit in the early stage of the struggle for control of the village. Sgt. Levin is a hero to Israel.

Had Sgt. Michael Levin been from any other country he would have been subject to this US Law and admonishment:

ADVICE ABOUT POSSIBLE LOSS OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP
AND DUAL NATIONALITY
The Department of State is responsible for determining the citizenship status of a person located outside the United States or in connection with the application for a U.S. passport while in the United States.


POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING STATUTES
Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

(3) entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);

Are loyalties optional and up to the individual? In a country dedicated to equailty under the law, is this proper? Should there be one set of rules for one group of hyphenated Americans and another for the rest? Should a young American be praised for by-passing military service to the United States and serving in the military of another country? Why should one who is a dual national US citizen lose his US citizenship for serving as an NCO or an officer in the country of his birth? If Sgt Levine were a Lebanese-American...?

8/02/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

DR - Posted on the faultlines exposed by the US, with Indonesia being the banking hub unaddressed as a central point for Far Eastern Islamic Terrorism. Although Bojinka was being run out of the Philippines, it was getting funding via Indonesia's Hambali, plus a relative of bin Laden had set up shop there, if memory serves. Bangladesh is not wealthy enough to have an indigenous support system for terrorist training, so look for external funding from the Indonesia hub.

In general, the idea I put forward last week was for the IDF to pin down Hezbollah and then make a decision based on Syrian moves or lack of same. Hezbollah can now retreat or die in place, their choice. Any further moves into the Bekaa by the IDF and the choice for Hezbollah will be removed as to heading towards Syria, save as a coordinated Hezbollah and Syrian move to relieve them. Beirut was a trap for the PLO in the '80s and would be for Hezbollah now. A northern retreat would be long, and woefully exposed to the Med.

The more we see of Hezbollah equipment and training, the more it is apparent that it is almost fully Iranian backed, save for any deals they are getting from their SA affiliates and the FARC. Chavez's visit to Iran may be an indicator as to happenings there, and Hezbollah has demonstrated capability to infiltrate into the US from there. That is a nascent coalescing point for major terrorist operations getting support from Venezuelan petrodollars and FARC derived narcotics money and possible training from such folks as Shining Path. I think it was back in the '70s that the PLO was offering to train the IRA there, but that fell through. More recently some sort of al Qaeda/Iraq connection was made with Iraqi supplied forgers going to Venezuela with the help of al Qaeda. Unknown intent.

So, Hezbollah is now caught with the hand in the cookie jar and doesn't like being found that way. Without training in logistics, they are wholly dependent upon their Syrian supply base that links back to Iran. Making that transition from terrorist to actual guerilla army is a harsh one and brings different problems both in training and operations. Much is always made of knifes to gun fights...

What ever *did* happen to the most heavily defended air corridor in the Middle East? Seems like Israel just blithely goes through it at will... could be a tactical manning error by Hezbollah not thinking that Israel would do air insertions and thus not putting manpower into Bekaa when it is needed elsewhere. By cutting off Syrian resupply, no one was easily going to get there to unpack the equipment to defend it against air attack. Perhaps just a teething problem of Hezbollah.

The only other real nasty actor that hasn't been heard from is NoKo, which had a good supernote circulation in that area, which was misleading in 2000 but now traced back to NoKo. It is unlikely that the Magic Kingdom of North Korea has the money (real or supernote variety) to actually do much, but it does bear keeping them in mind especially with the trafficking done by the AQ Khan network previously and possible missile development ties with Syria as they supplied some NoDongs there.

If Syria tries to enter the fray, the US can remind a few of the local players that US precision targeting combined with a light and fast mobile force yields the end of a basically weak nation quickly. And point to Afghanistan. That really does need to be shopped to Egypt, then Jordan and then to the Kurds... which would PO Turkey, but they had their chance to help way at the beginning of OIF...

Interesting times so long as one survives them.

8/02/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

hk vol,
There's always the French option:
Ceasefire now, meetings and negotiations later.
...like securing the border (maybe) later AFTER we make a bigger mess is a good idea.

8/02/2006 06:15:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

So Hezbolah is the only really strong organized political party in Lebanaon.

Gee, do ya think?

They have 12,000 armed troops, thousands of rockets and at least a few antiship missiles, although with at least a rudimentary logistics system to handle all of that.

They are not a "political party" at all. When will the Lebanese realize that they have already been invaded and occupied by a terrorist organization?

Enscout: Not a chance that Iran is learning anything about missiles from the Hezbolah use. I would doubt there is even an effective means to report back that 5% or whatever of them did not work. And they have not the faintest freakin' idea of where they hit - unless CNN tellls them as they did during Desert Storm. If the IAF were really smart they would make it look like the Hezbolah rockets are hitting Beruit or the Becca Valley or somewhere

You make a good point that what people don't know about rockets is astonishing - even if they can build them (I had the pleasure of explaining this to a Congressional Investigating Committee) - but Iran is not learning anything of technical value. Possibly the success of the antiship missile they fired tells them something about IAF ECM capabilities, but under the circumstances that hardly counts as being of value.

They may be learning something of psychological, tactical or even strategic value - if they are not too blinded by ideology - which I doubt.

8/02/2006 06:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Jacksonian:
Couldn't Bengal Aq be getting some Saudi funding?

8/02/2006 06:21:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The targets, rufus, will not be US warships, but civilian tankers, similar to the frieghter that was sunk, a couple of weeks back.

Without the removal of the mullahs the over/under threat will be measured in decades, not seconds.

Nuclear capable or not.

8/02/2006 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger RattlerGator said...

rufus at 5:48 p.m.

I agree with you completely about Dubya. All of these people worried about "losing" the Public Relations battle are missing the point.

Our President doesn't care about the P.R. battle. All along, since 9-11, he has had his eye on one primary entity but knew he could not get there right away. Primarily because our country is full of so many Punk Ass Surrender Monkeys.

But, given that obvious limitation, he is playing his chess board brilliantly. Move by move.

And if they don't wake up and smell the coffee, Iran is going to be dealt with -- I have absolutely no doubt about that

8/02/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

06:05:17 PM 2164th,
Are you calling for equal treatment for enemies and friends, or do I misunderstand?

8/02/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

No, I am agnostic about it, like I am about many things. I am often fascinated by contradictions. I want to know what you think.

8/02/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

More details on the Baalbek commando raid, which consisted of 200 men. It was a classic commando raid, in the mold of St. Nazaire.

8/02/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I like friends more than enemies, patriots more than Azatlanders, etc.
---
More on Mike from Yoni,
This evening she received the sad news that Michael Levine, a close friend from the Nativ program has been killed in Lebanon in Ayta al-Shaab, in the same battle that Yonathon Einhorn.

Mike was from outside of Philadelphia, and fell so much in love with Israel during his 9 months that he never went home, choosing to join the IDF.

We also met Mike at a Shabbat dinner we prepared for a group of Nativers on one of our visits and were impressed with how close the group had become in such a short time.

No doubt there are similar personal stories for each brave soldier, but this one hit so close to home.

8/02/2006 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Tanker Aground!
Full Speed Ahead!

8/02/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...

rwe:
You confirmed my suspicions.
The rockets then, represent more of a PR move on the part if worldwide jihad rather than being a real miltary tool - no?

Seems like a bad investment - a collosal bad investment. Just doesn't make sense to me. They have thousands of willing idiots they can send into free-world places & blow the smithereens out of innocent people and get effective death to dollars return. Why would they fire millions of dollars worth of missiles into the desert?

These people are not only evil & crazy, they're also really stupid.

Maybe that's why the NYT loves them so much.

8/02/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

Amir Mizroch writing in the Jerusalem Post, thinks that the Israeli buildup
was gradual in order to send the message to Damascus that things were proceeding in controlled stages and that Hezbollah, not Syria was the target.
The border; then the Litani; now warnings have been issued to evacuate sections
north of the Litani. Controlled stages. Nasrallah might have noticed that Tel Aviv, in the process, was inducing Assad to sell him
out. Lost perhaps in the din of his media adulation was the nagging face that to this date,
no major unit of the Lebanese Army has engaged the IDF.

8/02/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Yoni thinks the hostages were there shortly before:
You should read BC comments!

8/02/2006 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Wretchard:
Yoni also reported on Hewitt that most of the reserves so far are in Golan Area!
Another message to Baby Doc.

8/02/2006 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

en route was over the Ocean!

8/02/2006 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Yoni:
Oketz, the K-9 special forces unit, was created to train train dogs to attack kidnappers. Each dog is now trained to have a particular specialty. Attack dogs are mostly used in cities, although have proven effective in rural, bushy areas like in Lebanon.

Tracking and chasing dogs are used for manhunts and detecting breaches at the borders; weapons and ammunition dogs search for their namesakes, as do explosive dogs, and search and rescue dogs are used to find people in collapsed buildings.

Belgian Shepherds are the preferred breed for two reasons: they're the perfect size to be picked up by their handler while still being able to attack an enemy, and their fair coats make them less prone to heatstroke.

Like the rest of the IDF, the dogs are trained to be tech-savy - they carry microphones and receive orders from their handlers at a distance.
*Simply* brilliant!

8/02/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

...so the handlers must understand the sounds from those dog mikes!

8/02/2006 07:03:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

The Big Pharaoh notes that when Hezbollah fired its biggest rocket, the Fajr-5 it landed of all places in Jenin. The Palestinians say they were overjoyed, even if it fell on their heads. At some level this makes sense, but that doesn't make it rational. Those are two different things.

8/02/2006 07:17:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

rufus - see 03:47:09 PM !

8/02/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger Harrison said...

Re: annoy mouse at 5:08

This just in from Stratfor:

Despite its historical roots and deep relationship with Iran, Hezbollah is not
solely an ideological tool to be wielded by Tehran. It has its own leadership
structure and commands rich streams of revenue – with illicit business interests
spanning much of the globe – that are quite separate from the support it
receives from Iran and Syria.


Hezbollah has a long-standing and well-known presence in the tri-border
region of Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil, where the U.S. government
estimates it has earned tens of millions of dollars from selling electronic
goods, counterfeit luxury items and pirated software, movies and music.
It also has an even more profitable network in West Africa that deals in
“blood diamonds” from places like Sierra Leone and the Republic of the
Congo. Cells in Asia procure and ship much of the counterfeit material sold
elsewhere; nodes in North America deal in smuggled cigarettes, baby
formula and counterfeit designer goods, among other things. In the United
States, Hezbollah also has been involved in smuggling pseudoephedrine and
selling counterfeit Viagra, and it has played a significant role in the
production and worldwide propagation of counterfeit currencies.

The business empire of the Shiite organization also extends into the drug
trade. The Bekaa Valley, which it controls, is a major center for growing
poppies and cannabis; here also, heroin is produced from raw materials
arriving from places like Afghanistan and the Golden Triangle. Hezbollah
earns large percentages of the estimated $1 billion drug trade flowing out
of the Bekaa. Much of the hashish and heroin emanating from there
eventually arrive in Europe — where Hezbollah members also are involved
in smuggling, car theft and distribution of counterfeit goods and currency.


wretchard wrote:

And that is why history is so tragic, because the only path to ending their tyranny led by process of elimination through long and terrible process of giving them the only thing they could not withstand: defeat.

The thing is, the Islamofascists/terrorists possess a more resolute, fatalistic psyche which allows them to sustain defeat after devastating defeat because the result is always more people martyred, more dying for their cause. Without discrediting and dissolving the centres of religious fundamentalism from which these virulent strains of Islam emanate from i.e. Iran's Shi'ite twelvers, Saudi Arabia's Wahhabist ideologues, there will always be the belief that someone else will take up from where they "left off".

Sidelining Hezbollah might do what it did to AQ: forcing them to hide in the Beka'a in remnants, carrying out sporadic attacks that deal minimal damage. But that is if only we assume Hezbollah works more independently than we give it credit for. The amount of Iranian and Syrian largesse might be substantial in all aspects, but perhaps Olmert (somehow) has realised the key here is to decimate Hezbollah's independence and self-sustainability.

Once that happens and Nasrallah is forced to become more and more reliant on Syria and Iran, Assad certainly doesn't want to confront Israel head-on for the Syrian army will surely crumble. Thus, Assad will try to stop Hezbollah operatives from migrating back into Syrian territory, effectively bottlenecking them in the Beka'a where the IAF can take them out one by one.

A clean sweep while Assad maintains his regime, Olmert doesn't have to deal with a disastrous aftermath of a collapsed regime in Damascus, Iran will be denied its puppetmastery in Lebanon and international pressure will rightly revert back to the nuclear program.

8/02/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

Christopher Albritton has a running account of events in Lebanon, from Hezbollah threats to IAF attacks on road vehicles, maybe including ambulances.

It's a picture of war as it is, with no neat stories, only some approximate truths; with some side preferrable to another. It's been a long time coming, and it'll be a long time gone.

8/02/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...

von humbolt fleischer:

A war of no choices?

Nasrallah made a conscious choice to build up so Lebanon with his terrorists, made a conscious choice to kidnap & kill Israeli soldiers & made a conscious choice to begin the random bombardment of Northern Israel.

He gave Israel no other choice than to defend her citizenry.

I hope that's what you infer.

8/02/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Yoni said MICROPHONES!
---
"Come out and play, Bobal!"

8/02/2006 08:04:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

I'm beginning to think that States are not the key to the new world. What did Jumblatt say about Lebanon? A weak state beside a strong militia? Or is that in some sense the old beside the new?

The response to terror has largely been about strengthening States. But maybe some thought should be given to strengthening nonstates. Our communities of belief; our private networks; the invisible bones of our civilization.

The current world crisis is going to be very hard on the State, which let us not forget, is the key institution in every leftist vision of the future. The Left is cheering itself hoarse for a fundamentalist religion, a patriarchy and a pastoralist point of view not out of conviction, but out of a hatred that must mask a nagging inner realization that they are cheering because they are no longer on the playing field themselves.

8/02/2006 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

And just as I posted, Tony Blair put the sentiment in words a man of the left has not spoken in a generation.

Tony Blair: ""Even the issue of Israel is just part of the same wider struggle for the soul of the region ... But I fear a vast part of Western opinion is not remotely near this yet ... Whatever the outward manifestation ... this everywhere is a global fight about global values ... It's about whether our value system can be shown to be sufficiently robust, true, principled and appealing that it beats theirs."

We are in a word, not fighting to prevent 'individual death, which is the universal experience, but, incomparably more commanding, to preserve the life of our civilization, her message, and her glory.'

8/02/2006 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

More stuff from the Syrian Academicians - If someone takes the time to make sense of it, great, otherwise probably no great loss.

8/02/2006 08:31:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...

wretchard:
Your last two comments remind me of reading a book i read back in the late 70's(I can't remember the title) about the coming information age. It went on about our new paperless societies and other fiction. One of the predictions was the tearing apart of nations (states) as you describe.

The efforts made in Iraq to rebuild a nation may be all the more difficult given our individual abilities to survive in the new millenium without a strong government.

What we're seeing in Lebanon is another example.

Granted both are stirred by an aggressive ideology and made chaotic by reluctance to change.

The individual freedom must, as you say be strengthened by a proper worldview with reinforcement by likeminded individuals...seems to me.

8/02/2006 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Wretchard!
That means immediate reform of education, dissolution of the NEA!

Brits: It's No Longer Necessary To Teach Right from Wrong

8/02/2006 08:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The draft also purges references to promoting leadership skills and deletes the requirement to teach children about Britain’s cultural heritage.

Ministers have asked for the curriculum’s aims to be slimmed down to give schools more flexibility in the

8/02/2006 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

wretchard,

re: States

One god
One prophet
One state

There is no state of Lebanon, or of Somalia, or of Afghanistan. These are regions within the universal state.

In this sense, it is we of the West who are parochial.

One god
One prophet
One state

8/02/2006 08:40:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Wretchard:
See Buddy 05:42:58

8/02/2006 08:43:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

doug

8/02/2006 08:49:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Buddy,
As I slowly learned more about the educationalists, I learned that the liberal stuff started seeping in way before I went to school:
Luckily, tho' at least in the early grades, we had the little old lady teachers that were too wise to succumb to the new pap, and had too much old-fashioned spine to just submit.

Extracurricular leftovers that seem to be fading away with the years.

8/02/2006 08:57:00 PM  
Blogger SarahWeddington said...

The Japanese had to have their God kneel before an American General on a US Battleship anchored in Tokyo.

This war will not be over until Ahmadinejad, Khameini, Assad, Nasrallah et all do the same.

What will it take to achieve this?

I think everyone realizes 30 dead civilians in Qana, or the death of Zarqawi will not do it.

What will it take for sufficient force to be used and will it be done before it is too late?

8/02/2006 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Buddy,
Too bad that guy ISN'T Emporer for a day!
That's a great piece.
Unfortunately, I guess politics of power and corruption don't work that way.
NEA all the way.
(until Calif goes bankrupt paying teacher's retirement)

8/02/2006 09:06:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Merchant of religious hatred Khamenei declares war on USA again.

8/02/2006 09:09:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The existing aims state that the curriculum should develop children’s “ability to relate to others and work for the common good”. The proposed changes would remove all references to “the common good”.

The present version states: “The school curriculum should contribute to the development of pupils’ sense of identity through knowledge and understanding of the spiritual, moral, social and cultural heritages of Britain’s diverse society.”

The proposals say that individuals should be helped to “understand different cultures and traditions and have a strong sense of their own place in the world”.
...an imaginary
"citizen of the world" no doubt.

8/02/2006 09:11:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Clear as a bell, rufus, tired &/r beery not evidenced.

Hey, whover might have read Khamenei's speech, remember, this is the mofo who gave the order to Hez to *start* the war.

Ohhh, the gall, the GALL.

8/02/2006 09:17:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

I think McArthur himself made first contact with the Emperor. Don't know who called on who, but Emperor was in diplomatic dress and McArthur was in in his usual uniform.

8/02/2006 09:23:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Then proceeded to craft an occupation about 180 degrees different from what the Reds did in Berlin.

8/02/2006 09:32:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

rufus,
Maybe we could those sticks the hippies used to throw for advice?

8/02/2006 09:53:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"use"

8/02/2006 09:57:00 PM  
Blogger a psychiatrist who learned from veterans said...

To 2164th 06:05 and, with sympathy, Doug, Levine, his family:

From Sobrino:

As to Israel, the great thing is that the Israelis in fact do their own fighting and do it quite well. They have never asked, as far as I know, for U.S. troops. Would that all our allies were like Israel! They are fighting for all of us. The sons and daughters of Israel are dying in my place and yours. We sell them military equipment as we do to many other nations, including Saudi Arabia. Selling them equipment to fight our enemies is quite a deal. As to Saudi Arabia, we sell them equipment and what we got in return is a bunch of Sept. 11th terrorists from Saudi Arabia.

8/02/2006 10:07:00 PM  
Blogger Alexis said...

What would happen if the southern (Shi'ite) end of Lebanon were partitioned into its own country?

Would that be less bad than a Lebanon effectively controlled by the Hezzies?

8/02/2006 10:21:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Thanks for that, Michael Brophy!

8/02/2006 10:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

A Farewell to Qana:
Hesbollah Enteritis, by Michael Brophy .

"I must quit this lovely place of my birth and leave it only to the Hizbollah heroes, who by the most sweetest of graces will courageously stay.."

8/02/2006 10:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Michael finds Another Link, w/video.
According to this news report ,
the Israeli military is investigating a suspicious gap of several hours between the air strike on the building in Qana and its collapse on civilians.
It is possible that the suspiciously delayed collapse was caused by Hezbollah explosives in the building. The investigation continues.

Links from before:
Hezbollywood?
Evidence mounts that Qana collapse and deaths were staged
ISRAEL INSIDER

Nice Evidence of Fake Heros and Dead Muslim Children

8/02/2006 10:56:00 PM  
Blogger Alexis said...

Habu (07:39:51):

i still talk to my old comrades in the CIA..they say to a man, and we are all old men now (we were in our 20's,early30's back in the 70's) that after Jimma Carter and Stansfield Turner took over the place went to the shitter. today's experts are bar fly's who never "turned" a soul or took a head off. panty waste.

It seems as though you are saying that America’s intelligence expertise is now retiring, with the Carter/Turner legacy effectively ended the Agency’s ability to teach younger recruits the skills of older operatives. This means the skills of an older generation of spooks will be lost, with little chance of regaining them in the future.

Concomitant with the decline of the CIA, there is an increasing distrust of the Agency by those who would otherwise consider joining. For example, I was once strongly interested in intelligence work, yet I have become distrustful of the established bureaucratic culture in Washington DC to the extent that I don’t trust my back to be protected by the CIA or any similar agency. It’s bad enough to get sabotaged by enemy spies. Yet, I regard getting sabotaged by political infighting and bureaucratic turf battles to be worse. I don’t like the idea of working for an organization where the foreign governments and terrorist organizations I’m supposed to be watching are less of a problem than the office culture at Langley.

If the CIA is becoming increasingly incompetent, is there some way for the “old boys” of the old CIA to teach somebody how intelligence work is really done? I realize this is a sticky question, as intelligence work is usually the province of governments. Still, if there is no other means to Americans to learn solid intelligence techniques other than through some non-governmental organization, is it better to teach Americans these techniques while taking the chance that the wrong person would learn them or is it better to let those skills die out in the hope that the wrong people would not learn them?

8/02/2006 11:01:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Media War Against Israel

...Yet "Reliable Sources," presented by Washington Post writer Howard Kurtz, is broadcast only on the American version of CNN. So CNN International viewers around the world will not have had the opportunity to learn from CNN's "Senior international correspondent" that the pictures they saw from Beirut were carefully selected for them by Hizbullah.

Another journalist let the cat out of the bag last week.
Writing on his blog while reporting from southern Lebanon, Time magazine contributor Christopher Allbritton, casually mentioned in the middle of a posting:
"To the south, along the curve of the coast, Hezbollah is launching Katyushas, but I'm loathe to say too much about them.
The Party of God has a copy of every journalist's passport, and they've already hassled a number of us and threatened one."

Robertson is not the only foreign journalist to have misled viewers with selected footage from Beirut... (more examples)
pbuthem

8/02/2006 11:13:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

" is it better to teach Americans these techniques while taking the chance that the wrong person would learn them "
---
Alexis:
Why would the chances be greater in an extra-governmental group of patriots than where folks like Plame and Larry Johnson roam?

8/02/2006 11:18:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

OT?
violence is (hot) wrong

8/02/2006 11:40:00 PM  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

Doug - At the breakfast table atm, so resources not handy. If memory serves Bengal aQ may be getting Saudi funding, which is an important funding point. Equipment and skills, however, need a better entry point, especially the equipment as that production infrastructure is lacking in-country. While shipments from ME suppliers might be one way, the other and better way is to use the network of groups already available and funnel it through less accountable banking channels in Indonesia, purchase there and then ship outwards. Also, Indonesia serves as a directorial and gathering point for such work. I would suspect that arms and supplies merchants are more easily obtainable via Indonesia than Bangladesh. In either case, money needs to be in a low monetary amount, high number of transactions amongst many institutions to effectively miss the banking oversight controls that are in-place. Thus a high number of individuals or front corporations is necessary of which Bangladesh is not known to be a leader.

Wretchard could probably do a better 'chapter and verse' on Far East associations and money links than I can, however. I would speculate that aQ, if truly trying to set up shop in Kashmir, is extending a large amount of resources to do so, using the LeT organization as a basis, but putting in place a better regularized aQ cell schema.

This assumes, of course, that the Saudi financeers are *not* following the edicts of their Wahabbi Imams, that wants no help to go to Hezbollah... and since aQ has now aligned itself *with* Hezbollah, funding aQ can now be seen as aiding Hezbollah. This is reinforced by the release of Bin Laden's son from Iran yesterday.

A defeat of the military/terror aspect of Hezbollah in its home territory would be a harsh blow to the organization. Removing it as a sanctioned party in Lebanon would be worse still. The organization, however, is multifaceted and distributed thus allowing a change of venue if actually defeated in Lebanon. The directions possible are either the Far East or to South America. Hezbollah boasts of having a foreign intelligence service second to *none* in the Middle East, and after seeing the amount of funding they have gotten for toys and training, and their ops elsewhere, that can no longer be taken as an idle boast.

Defeat of Hezbollah in Lebanon is necessary for longer term and wider range victory against non-Nation State based terrorist organizations.

Necessary.

But not *sufficient*.

8/03/2006 05:21:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

I am not sure how many of you all remeber Robert Pape, he wrote a book, "Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.”

He has written a piece about Lebanon and HB, and exposes the readers to facts that seem contrary to the opinions of most posters, here. While I I had read Mr Pape's work previously, his revelations concerning Lebanon suggest the "Political Outcome" rather than the "Military Event" will not favor the Israeli.
"...I had researchers scour Lebanese sources to collect martyr videos, pictures and testimonials and the biographies of the Hezbollah bombers. Of the 41, we identified the names, birth places and other personal data for 38. Shockingly, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists. Twenty-seven were from leftist political groups like the Lebanese Communist Party and the Arab Socialist Union. Three were Christians, including a female high-school teacher with a college degree. All were born in Lebanon.

What these suicide attackers — and their heirs today — shared was not a religious or political ideology but simply a commitment to resisting a foreign occupation.


Perhaps Mr Pape got it all wrong, but I doubt it. The fact that his current piece was published in the NYTimes does invalidate the research or the findings, nor the challenges yet to come.

8/03/2006 06:16:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Mr Ralpj Peters current piece, vis avie, Israel & Lebanon
ISRAEL GETS SERIOUS

8/03/2006 06:51:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Jacksonian,
Not yet in bed,(!) so cannot find now, but there used to be expat in Thailand commenting here that wrote quite a bit about the funding networks over there.
One piece I remember was a meeting in a restaurant where the exchange of (compact, easily transportable) diamonds was discussed.

8/03/2006 06:59:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

'Rat,
Only a perfesor could come up with that one!
It's all about occupation, that's why they spent the last six years or so while UNoccupied, digging in a massive rocket infrastructure to terroize Israel!
Advice to Israel:
Don't like them Rockets?
Surrender again!
Jeesh!
(and of course, Syria and Iran just want to give piece a chance, just as Nutball or Mullah Shabullah.)
Piece of Shiite, indeed!

8/03/2006 07:07:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"just ask"

8/03/2006 07:09:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Re Hez' worldwide cash biz, it is fascinating to me that a religious organization is engaged in the narcotics trade. Can religiously-motivated kiddie porn be far behind?

High time for the NYTimes to begin redeeming itself--lets have some Hez expose, Mr. Keller! Isn't Hez as bad as Abu Graib?

Rat, your 6:16 left a critical "not" out of the last sentence.

Roger, thank you for the 'apostrophe' laff. I'm not stumped, only semi, or quasi, stumped, as I use it--apostrophe--in every way possible, so as to be 'correct' at least some of the time. I do agree with you, many here appear to've just given up and thrown in the towel, apostrophe-wise.

Back on thread, how stupid it is of the great wizardly terror operation to keep blasting their shotgun rockets at Northern Israel, right now, when the world's eye is full open, and the script calls for whimpering and singin' the blues.

8/03/2006 07:12:00 AM  
Blogger Db2m said...

07:25:59 PM

*counterfeit* Viagra?

Oh, no wonder...

****************

Habu, Rufus,

If GWB guttsily takes on Iran with Bunkerbusters, etc. before Mid-terms, then Dr *MUST* apologize (or not) for all those unkind, faithless remarks he has made about Mr. Bush.

8/03/2006 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The top headlines from Mr Drudge tell a tale as well

Rocket Attacks on Israel Leave 6 Dead...
Hezbollah: No Cease-Fire Without Pullout...
PAPER: Osama bin Laden's son in Lebanon to organize terror attacks against Israel...
Olmert: 15,000 int'l troops needed...
Iranian President: Solution to Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel...


This local conflict between Israel and Lebanon is sure interesting to watch.
Mr Daniel Pipes says the solution to the Lebanonese challenge To win peace, cut off road from Damascus

Always comes back to Syria, the US should have removed that Mohammedan cog three years ago, the failure to remove that Mohammedan Sanctuary is biting US in the ass, today.

As for HB, seems according to Mr Pipes "...in a recent Gallup poll, 65 per cent of Americans said their Government should not take sides in the Israel-Hezbollah fighting. ..."

Another failure of leadership in the War on Terror, another enemy never identified, one that has killed US Marines, much like Mr al-Sadr in Iraq.

Cascading failures all to be remedied, according to habu, in one night.

8/03/2006 07:18:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

right you are, buddy

8/03/2006 07:20:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

db2m
And if he does not, who deserves the apology?

8/03/2006 07:25:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Pipes' 65%, Seattle Post's 'third of Americans', these are the results of your liberal brain-trust having run the world's information flow for the last few decades.

Fine job the smarter-than-thou folks have done, eh? Some philosophy. Some results.

8/03/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Want to read a filmic, visual sort of atmospheric piece--reminiscent of old movies about ordinary life under the Nazis? The bottom link, to a 2005 Totten piece about his dinner with Hezzbollah. The atmospheric details--especially the architectural notes-- allow a proper shudder.

8/03/2006 07:47:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Well buddy, so many think that the PR and Propaganda Wars are just unimportant. That throw weight is all that counts. They have been and continue to be wrong.

Even if habu gets his desired "Night of Redemtion" in Iran, the "Mohammedan Wars" will continue, elsewhere. But then there are no Mohammedan Wars, just a few unrelated local Events.
Per the Supremes, Congress and the Executive. That's the reality of the situation, today.

8/03/2006 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

I know not whether it's a heartbreak or a hope, but it IS true that Hollywood and the MSM could un-brainwash the American people, in a matter of a few months if it so chose.

8/03/2006 07:56:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

We need's some rule's of thumb's on the uses's and abuse's of apostrophe's. anD caPItaL lEtTeRs 2!!!

8/03/2006 08:01:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Rumsfeld Testifies to Senate About Iraq
Aug 03 10:29 AM US/Eastern
By ANNE PLUMMER FLAHERTY
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON

The top U.S. military commander in the Middle East told Congress on Thursday that "Iraq could move toward civil war" if the raging sectarian violence in Baghdad is not stopped.

"I believe that the sectarian violence is probably as bad as I have seen it," Gen. John Abizaid, the commander of U.S. Central Command, told the Senate Armed Services Committee. He said the top priority in the Iraq war is to secure the capital, where factional violence has surged in recent weeks despite efforts by the new Iraqi government to stop the fighting."

We started off by announcing that the US would be doing things at a time and place of our choosing.That has been amended somewhat to reacting to bedlam. The US has vital interests at stake that are greater than they have been in the lifetime of any person reading this blog. This is not hyperbole. During WWII, the US was always isolated between two oceans and had the industrial underpinnings to deter any combination of enemies. The Cold War was practiced by two rational actors. If we slip off our base in Iraq, we will pay the devil his due. Two events have to occur. We quickly need a minimum of 50,000, not 5,000 new troops in Baghdad. We need to demonstrate a credible military presence on the Iraq Syrian border and play "lets make a deal" with Mr. Assad. The time and place of our choosing is now and in Iraq. We can deal with the political geniuses that got us here later.

8/03/2006 08:02:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Interesting TV show on the History Channel, "Conspiracy?". It was in the rotation yesterday so it should still be around for awhile.

Relates McVeigh and Nichols path to OK City and those that helped 'em along the way.

Global war, indeed.
Covered up, as well.

8/03/2006 08:05:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Habu, re self-esteem, first they came for the grammar, and nobody said anything. Then they came for the lawnmower, and still nobody complained. Now they are here for my exercise program, and there is nobody left to lift a barbell.

8/03/2006 08:16:00 AM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

If you believe those polls please write because I have some land in the pastoral Everglades you would be interested in. For those people who have chosen the wrong side or are unsable to choose any side - round 'em up and send them to a Willing Victims Free Fire Zone. The State of Vermont would be nice. Call it national gene therapy.

Ralph Peters is as vulnerable to chain pulling as the rest of us. While the generals move more IDF troops into S. Lebanon, Israeli government spokesmen say they don't know how far they "should" go. Should based on what? The Olmert cabinet is totally incapable of establishing national priorities and is going to do their best to screw up IDF success. If there is something more important than stopping folks from firing rockets into your population centers will somebody please tell me what it is.

DR. I agree completely that Syria should have been thumped, has to be thumped as soon as possible.

Just a thought. The real objective of the Mullahs is take the entire country of Iran to Paradise by national martyrdom. What better way to achieve that than by lobbing nukes at Israel and blissfully awaiting the response? According to the Koran wouldn't Allah welcome these martyrs for killing off the Jews? Basing threat estimates for Iran on any rational man basis is foolish.

8/03/2006 08:26:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

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8/03/2006 08:26:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

If you think Kryat Shomona is taking high-pitched, unaimed fire, you shoulda seen what Rummy just had to take from Hillary at the SAFC hearing.

8/03/2006 08:40:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

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8/03/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Fox news-crawl just reporting a Russian ICBM test--one of the upgraded soviet-era 7,000 kilometer jobbies. Odd timing.

8/03/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Nothing odd there at all, buddy.
Just a "friendly" reminder.

As to refering Israel/ Lebanon to a Chapter 7 Resolution, that's just another tit for tat.
If it's good for Iran, it should be good for Israel, as well. Not the least bit disproportionate.

Things are seen differently in Paris, Moscow and Peking

It's all just a matter of perspective.

8/03/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

yeh--I didn't mean to imply the Czar was up to much besides counting the new gold inflows and hugely enjoying the big show in the mideast. The new Ukraine PM will be the czar's man, looks like. That bowl-ful of ricin couldn't stop the western president, but those oil & gas pipeline accidents are a different matter.

8/03/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Mr Bush's "averaged" approval rating, via RCP.
RCP Average 07/28 - 08/01
Approve 39.8%
Disapprove 56.0%
Spread -16.2%

'Til he's even, he's behind.
14, 15, or 16 points, more of less.

Under 100 days to the Election, many do not see Mr Bush's coattails, especially Mr Steele.

We'll see how Mr Joe, the Dems VP candidate in 2000 does in CT, tuesday.

If Baghdad is aflame in November, so to will be the Republicans, at least amongst the Party faithful I know.
Most are "Goldwater" Republicans that are fed up with broken budgets, unsecure borders and an endless war with NO STRATEGY for Victory.
Perhaps the Quayles should not have sold the AZ Republic, but then again, Dan was run out of DC.

I never thought I'd see the day.

8/03/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

"The prospect of a low intensity civil war and a de facto division of Iraq is probably more likely at this stage than a successful and substantial transition to a stable democracy."

UK ambassador warns of civil war in Iraq
By Kim Pilling, PA
Published: 03 August 2006
Britain's outgoing ambassador in Baghdad has warned that civil war is the most likely outcome in Iraq, according to a report.

In a confidential memo to ministers, William Patey also predicted the break-up of Iraq along ethnic lines.

The assessment was contained in Mr Patey's final telegram from Baghdad before he left the Iraqi capital last week - details of which were obtained by the BBC.

The diplomatic cable was sent to the Prime Minister, Foreign Secretary, Defence Secretary, Leader of the House of Commons, and senior military commanders in both Iraq and the UK.

Mr Patey wrote: "The prospect of a low intensity civil war and a de facto division of Iraq is probably more likely at this stage than a successful and substantial transition to a stable democracy."

8/03/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Talk about cross-currents..

Hezbollah cells await Iran’s orders
Melanie Phillips

At a recent Stop the West rally (yes, I know, but that’s their real agenda) demonstrators waved placards proclaiming ‘We’re all Hezbollah now’. Really? If so, why were they allowed to parade in Trafalgar Square? In a sane society they should surely all have been arrested as a self-proclaimed army of holy warriors whose explicit aim was to murder untold numbers of innocents, destroy Britain, America and the free world and subjugate them to the dictatorship of the ayatollahs.

Because that’s what Hezbollah is. Literally designated the Army of God, it is a military force funded, trained by and answerable to the Islamic Republic of Iran. The Iran that is pledged — as it has been since the Khomeini revolution of 1979 — to the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews, as a prelude to destroying the West and infidels everywhere. The Iran that is steadily developing nuclear weapons so that it can achieve these aims.

But then Britain at this moment isn’t really sane. It is gripped by a kind of collective derangement in which, blinded by hatred of Israel, it thinks that the current war against Israel by Iran’s proxy, Hezbollah, and its ally Syria, is a war by Israel against ‘innocent’ Lebanon.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/24356/hezbollah-cells-await-irans-orders.thtml

8/03/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Re 2164th, "we are all hezzbollah now", Kofi Annan's chief of staff, Mark Malloch Brown, installed by the Kerry campaign in order to damp the Oil-for-Food scandal's impact on the campaign, has just stated that Hezzbollah is *not* a terrorist organization.

Aug 22? I'm more worried about November. Let the Dems in--the Dems who've learned the new "facts don't matter" philosophy of terrorism, Inc.--and the west is screwed.

Let that bunch get ahold of power, at this stage of the GWoT, and we're likely to be screwed *forever*.

8/03/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Today, Hillary beat the doo-doo out of the enemy she could get her hands on (Rummy) and let the real one--the jihad--hide through the whole harangue.

8/03/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger ppab said...

The Space Needle does have some subtle islamic overtones come to think of it...

I think Seattle residents would make fine servants of devout muslims, busy juggling holiness and anger in this globalized world. The spotless imams will find no shortage of coffee and the younger fuzz balls will find the area rich with dhimmi opulence. Good patriots, they will be: open-minded to new ideas and most tolerant of the needs of others.

8/03/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

well, I couldn't GET any angrier at the people who believe they live under a government that would do that, and yet haven't formed a guerrilla army in Idaho to overturn it. What a buncha pointless losers.

8/03/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Haditha Lawyer on Prager now:
http://www2.krla870.com/listen/

8/03/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Dems have raised more money than GOP, True or False?

8/03/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

07:12:23 AM Larsen,
Semi-coloned here,
Half-assed.
I throw OUT the towel,
it;s so disgusting.

8/03/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Rush Caller:
MSM and the
AXIS of IGNORANCE.

8/03/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Always comes back to Syria, the US should have removed that Mohammedan cog three years ago, the failure to remove that Mohammedan Sanctuary is biting US in the ass, today."
---
'Rat:
Has been biting since begining of OIF, at LEAST.
WTF?

8/03/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Boys, we didn't want to widen the war. Be patient, when it widens its ownself out to the edge of the universe, we'll call in the fleet.

8/03/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

U.S. Generals See Growing Threat of Civil War in Iraq
The wave of sectarian bloodshed has heightened the danger that the country will slide into all-out civil war, two senior generals said today.
---
Sanctuaries, Buddy, should have taken out the sanctuaries years ago.
Shorten, not widen!

8/03/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Doug, re "sanctuaries", someday we'll know the whys.

Could be no more than the obvious--our screamin' left.

Remember the worry early on that we'd see Vietnam-era riots in US streets.

8/03/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger Jack said...

"The Syrian Army are the paper hangers--Hezb are the real soldiers. Once the Hezb's are gone, there will be little else to worry about unless the Iranian decide to dominate Assad or Assad sells out. Otherwise, no one can stop the IDF now."

Note it was the Syrian Army that died by the thousands on the Golan heights in 1973, and the Syrians who kept Hezbollah strong even while disarming the rest of the Lebanese militias, if I remember correctly.

8/03/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

In an unrelated War, four Canadians died in Afghanistam, as part of the NATO contingent.

Iran stands firm on it's nuclear developmental rights under the NPT.

The US, in the meantime, in another unrelated War, Iraq continues it's cascade to anarchy =, while the US is taking a couple of weeks to redeploy 2% of it's incountry troops to Baghdad, in the attempt, once again, to secure Route Irish, at least.

Mr Rumsfeld, at that Senate hearing said the US had NO COMBAT READY troops capable of joining a multiNational Force in Lebanon. Seems all our guys are busy, elsewhere.

Mr Rumsfeld obviously not taking Mr Davey Crockett's discussion with Mr Travis and Mr Bowie seriously.

Where oh where has our Army gone,
Where oh where can it be?

8/03/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Thank G_d for the likes of Possumtater:

so i sez juz kill a-rabs and let'um sun dry...

Truly, all that stands between us and dhimmitude!


Jamie Irons

8/03/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Better buddy, to lose the War and a few hundred troops than have an antiWar protest?
I say lose because the STATED Goals fade further from view each day, and there is no Strategy to Change Course.
When the Human Rights of the Iraqi people are not defended by US, as promised. 'Cause the dead, up to 11 or 12,000 now, since Mr Maliki took charge, have no "Rights" at all.

If we were not going to do the job, we should not have volunteered for it.

If that were really the Republican position, I'd vote for anyone else.

8/03/2006 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

That wasn't a position, rat--it was a head-scratchin'. I'm with you, actually--if we have to lose, let's go the hell ahead and lose. Best way to win in many life situation is to quit giving a sh*t whether you lose or not. I think Shakespeare warned against "taking counsel of your fears". Probably in "Henry V". Something to do with Agincourt, maybe.

8/03/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

DR,

Mr Rumsfeld, at that Senate hearing said the US had NO COMBAT READY troops capable of joining a multiNational Force in Lebanon. Seems all our guys are busy, elsewhere...

Ah, but I think you're forgetting that famous aphorism of -- wasn't it Winston Churchill?:

In wartime, the truth is so precious that it must be protected at all times by a bodyguard of Rummy-isms.

(Or words to that effect.)


Jamie Irons

8/03/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

In wartime, the rum is so precious that it must be protected at all times by a bodyguard of truth-isms.

8/03/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

How many new divisions have we created since 911 under GWB's watch? Are we bringin it on yet?

8/03/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Is this our inventory? It is five years since the towers were taken down. No towers and where is the military buildup? I know we must have at least 6 or 7 divivisons searching old white woman at the airports.

2 Light Infantry (10th Mtn, 25th)
1 Airborne Infantry (82nd Abn)
1 Air Assault (101st Abn)
3 Armored (1st Arm, 2nd Arm, 1st Cav)
4 Mechanized Infantry (1st ID, 2nd ID, 3rd ID, 4th

Is that it 11 divisions?

25th Stryker.
3 Armored Cavalry Regiments (2nd, 3rd, 11th)

8/03/2006 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Who cares, the problems in Iraq grew from a lack of good strategy from the outset. Waiting for an "International Force" to come to our relief. There was never going to be one. Much like Israel will see in Lebanon.

To little time and planning on the ISF, poor training methods employeed and worse. The evidence of incompetence in that area is overwhelming.

The lack of ISF internal logistical support, even today, just the tip of the iceberg of failure. We should have been training the ISF before we even entered Iraq, it had been authorized and funded by Congress, but ambushed by the State Dept. Mr Bush's State Department.

The litney of errors is longer than can even be articulated in a thousand words.

We could have left Iraq six months in, and the results would be similar to what we have today.
In Syria, the King of Jordan could have stepped in. We could have partioned the country, handed parts of it to the Turks or just burned it all down.

Instead we allowed the Enemy free range, they took advantage of it.

8/03/2006 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

That's a bumper-sticker, 2164th--shame on you. You know procurement and capabilities--and SF numbers--are way up.

8/03/2006 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

The thing is, the enemy has had a vote all along--this is the bad guys--the war on terror--showing another weapon, the 'sectarian violence' that can be fired off, just like a katushka. What US has done wrong is not win yet--and it could be that that is because the enemy hasn't lost yet. Don't mean to be tautological, but, let's not frame it like a football game where the rules are knowable.

8/03/2006 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

You say we are in WWIII. Here is what the same people that built the NJ turnpike in 24 months did over three years

On 30 June 1939 the Regular Army numbered 187,893 men, including 22,387 in the Army Air Corps. On the same date the National Guard totaled 199,491 men. The major combat units included nine infantry divisions, two cavalry divisions, a mechanized cavalry (armor) brigade in the Regular Army and eighteen infantry divisions in the National Guard.

On 27 August 1940, Congress authorized the induction of the National Guard into Federal service.

On 7 December 1941, Pearl Harbor, the Army consisted of 1,685,403 men (including 275,889 in the Air Corps) in 29 infantry, five armor, and two cavalry divisions,a 435 percent increase. Over the following three and a half years the Army expanded a further 492 percent, to 8,291,336 men in 89 divisions: sixty-six infantry, five airborne, sixteen armored, one cavalry, and one mountain infantry.
On 16 December 1944, forty-three divisions were deployed in the European Theater of Operations (ETO), including two airborne, ten armored and thirty-one infantry. Sixteen more divisions were preparing to join them. One armored division was on its way to the front. One airborne, one armored, and two infantry divisions were in England awaiting shipment to France. One airborne, three armored, and seven infantry divisions were in the final stages of training in the United States or were in route to Europe, but would not be deployed as complete units on the continent prior to the end of 1944.

That fellas is what is called gettin it on.

8/03/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

By the way, currently the USAF is implementing a Reduction in Force. 8000 officers are being tossed out of the service this year and eventually the Air Force will reduce its numbers by 40,000.

Funny kind of war, huh?

8/03/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

We've got a beachead, and air supremacy, over the bulk of the oilfields and the choke points, and have had no more 911s. Let's keep those big pictures in mind, too. Could OIF have gone better? Yes. Has the enemy proven tougher than we thought? Yes. Will the war last a lot longer? Yes. Will we be sorry if we quit? The last question will be the one that turns the coming elections.

8/03/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Another shameless bumper sticker for you Buddy

1950-1952 Entire NJ Turnpike
2001-2006 No New Towers

8/03/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

2164--back to Shakespeare, "first we must hang the lawyers".

8/03/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

More troops to Baghdad would not preclude us from sending others to Lebanon if we wanted to. But we don't want to.

Therefore, we are using an excuse: an excuse, ironically, provided to us by our MSM and their incessant cries of "overextended!"

Or do you think it's a mere coincidence that Rumsfeld has denied rumors of overextension for several years (here here, for example) only to admit it now?

8/03/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Things are tough in the GWoT, but where would we be if we hadn't gone in?

Key Findings of the Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD, September 30, 2004

Key Findings

Saddam Husayn so dominated the Iraqi Regime that its strategic intent was his alone. He wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when sanctions were lifted.

* Saddam totally dominated the Regime’s strategic decision making. He initiated most of the strategic thinking upon which decisions were made, whether in matters of war and peace (such as invading Kuwait), maintaining WMD as a national strategic goal, or on how Iraq was to position itself in the international community. Loyal dissent was discouraged and constructive variations to the implementation of his wishes on strategic issues were rare. Saddam was the Regime in a strategic sense and his intent became Iraq’s strategic policy.
* Saddam’s primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to have UN sanctions lifted, while maintaining the security of the Regime. He sought to balance the need to cooperate with UN inspections—to gain support for lifting sanctions—with his intention to preserve Iraq’s intellectual capital for WMD with a minimum of foreign intrusiveness and loss of face. Indeed, this remained the goal to the end of the Regime, as the starting of any WMD program, conspicuous or otherwise, risked undoing the progress achieved in eroding sanctions and jeopardizing a political end to the embargo and international monitoring.
* The introduction of the Oil-For-Food program (OFF) in late 1996 was a key turning point for the Regime. OFF rescued Baghdad’s economy from a terminal decline created by sanctions. The Regime quickly came to see that OFF could be corrupted to acquire foreign exchange both to further undermine sanctions and to provide the means to enhance dual-use infrastructure and potential WMD-related development.
* By 2000-2001, Saddam had managed to mitigate many of the effects of sanctions and undermine their international support. Iraq was within striking distance of a de facto end to the sanctions regime, both in terms of oil exports and the trade embargo, by the end of 1999.

Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability—which was essentially destroyed in 1991—after sanctions were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion, irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.

8/03/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Rufus,
Plenty, the difference between doing something and talking about it. A metaphor for the times I suppose. Sorry if I am a little hyper, I went for a blue M&M and accidently dropped a 100 mg Viagra.

8/03/2006 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

no wonder your logic is a little stiff.

8/03/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

no more dangling participles

8/03/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

If you measured today's military in non-nuclear lethality it would probably still be geometrically greater than those 100+ divisions at the peak of WWII.

We would all like to see a functioning representative government in Iraq but that outcome is still #2 or lower on the priority table. If the USA is in Iraq then Iran is not pumping billions more petrodollars into its war chest, and adding hundreds of thousands more Shia to its TOE.

DR is reading the right level on the measuring stick but he's got it in the wrong tank.

8/03/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger ppab said...

Add this to your iconography of Islam:

This from Totten in Iftar:

"Suddenly a muezzin screamed in Arabic over the loud speakers. It was a thunderous call to prayer, and it was real screaming. I have heard the call to prayer hundreds of times in Beirut, but I never heard anything like this. It was electrifying and dramatic and it gave me a thrilling shot of adrenaline.

Ominous military music threatened to blow out the speakers. Then the sound system switched, briefly, to music from Star Wars. It switched, briefly again, to the soundtrack from The Terminator. Someone, perhaps the same muezzin, screamed anti-Israeli incitement over the music. You didn’t have to be fluent in Arabic to figure out what that was about."

How absolutely bizarre.

Chinese psy-ops anticipate dropping "talking leaflets" in future operations.

21st Century will be pretty interesting. With media as a weapon, who has the biggest gun? Is there a media hegemon or is there a balance?

These journalists are force-multipliers if one considers propagation of our values and subversion of their values to be a weapon of war.

Memetic MLRS

What kind of system is the Belmont Club? Is it even on the popular idea map? Maybe its not, but thats what makes it valuable.

Is LGF like a carrier battle group, deploying ideas to Malkin, who goes to O'Reilly who fires ideas onto millions of brains?

8/03/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

habu

I think that if Iran gets nukes your outcome is the good one. I've managed to convince myself that the ultimate objective of the mullahs is to martyr Iran by striking at Israel and probably some Sunnis and then disappearing in a nuclear fireball.

Rafstanjani laid it out several years ago. 'When we have nuclear weapons we will destroy Israel and even when Israel strikes back Iran will die but Islam will survive.' Or some such.

A desire for national martyrdom explains the mullah's behavior in the least complicated way even if it's not the most rational.

8/03/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Habu,

Exactly, that is foolproof plan. And then we can all start feeling like we are part of a community, and we will never give any one a reason to hate us ever again. Ahhh, sounds lovely.

The blue pills from NorK are primo. There are a few things they do extremely well, and little blue pills and US hundred dollar bills are two of them. Funny guys.

- - - - -

Big story in the local on Murtha, seems he is gonna get swiftboated. Yep, some mean old veterans are picking on the poor guy. It is outrageous to quote Democratic politicians, it makes them look bad, and that is just not fair.

(this apostrophe thing is really cute)

8/03/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger Alexis said...

habu:

Without necessarily writing a tell-all book about it, do you have any good book list detailing how one does the nitty-gritty of intelligence work?

If you need an email address, I could provide that if you like.

8/03/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger ppab said...

Habu:

p'tatese would be preferred. We could swamp blue states with them until they began to swarm in progressive pogroms, hurling truthful feces at powerful starbucks and mcdonalds, their masses densely teeming with hipsters, emo academics and tolerance-philes

the echo effect of thousands of p-tater automatons drawling their homespun wisdom would be defeaning.

Who do I pay so that we can cross this hilarious rubicon?

8/03/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

LQ Jones is great, but Slim Pickens he ain't.

Dr. Strangelove--wot a current movie--time for a re-watch--thanks!

8/03/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

The thing about that movie is, when I watch it every few years I expect it to be funny, but then it turns out to be scary!

Ps. The thing about flouride ain't true, is it?

8/03/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger Alexis said...

I sometimes wonder if American government (and possibly American society) is congenitally unable to accomplish good intelligence work. During the American Civil War, both sides had some excellent agents (who tended to be women) but that was largely because the spying was done in an ad hoc fashion.

For example, it has been standard practice for centuries for spooks to be aware of the gossip within the sex trade. French government has routinely used prostitutes as agents over the centuries. Yet, our politicians and bureaucrats have routinely opposed letting our government have anything to do with investigating the sex trade as a means of eliciting information. Moreover, seemingly lowly professions such as paper carrier, taxi driver, and hairdresser can be useful listening posts -- professions beneath contempt for social climbers at Langley.

The British and the Israelis talk about "intelligence dominance" on human intelligence. Yet, I don't see our government getting serious at all about intelligence work. For example, the United Arab Emirates is the hub of a massive international network of prostitution (specifically, selling the virginity of teenage girls) that spans the Islamic world. I doubt our government has a clue what's going on in the Muslim red light districts...

8/03/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Whattya mean, Alexis? We got military personnel in those joints all around the world at all times. Well, maybe not the Muslim ones.

8/03/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Religious standards are lowerin'

when petro dollars go whorin'

the victims are kids
and camels and squids

and other things not in the Koran

(sorry, alexis-inspired limerick attack)

8/03/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Trish, it warn't me in the quote, but i *would* add that if we had been able to hold 1936 at 1936 for 5 years, it would've been better than letting it grow to 1941.

8/03/2006 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Well, it is interesting, the Hes man says that the HB has performed in a miraculous fashion.
Mr Olmert says he is aging a year each day.
The Hes seems almost cheerful, Mr Olmert drawn and tired.
The IAF has bombed sections of Beirut into rubble, the Hes says "do it again, I'll hit Tel Aviv, tit for tat.", to paraphrase.

Wonder if he can, FOX reports "dancing in the streets" in Beirut after the Hes man's tv speach, who is dancing in Israel?

Each Lebanonese that is quoted speaks of the "land" and their willingness to defend it. Just as Mr Pape has described.

Bith the Iraqi and the Lebanonee Government, the Bush administration's shining beacons of democracy and progress publicly support the Hes and his gang of merry terrorists, well not terrorists, no one but the Israelis agree they are terrorists. Not the UN or the EU, Mr Sistani or Mr Maliki, certainly not the French or the Syrians.
HB a honorable militia, like the Minutemen of old, defending their Nation State, at least according to the folks that sanction the proposed Peacekeeping force and those that are slated to lead it.

aristide points out Mr Rumsfeld versions of the truth vary in his sworn testimonies. In Mr Clinton's case that was an impeachable offense, called perjury and obstruction of justice. Would it not the same for Mr Rumsfeld?

Or was the entire Ms Clinton & Rummy exchange just a piece of preplanned disinformation?

No, I don't think so. Mr Rumsfeld was lying, so it's up to each of US to decide for ourselves which tale is the truth and which is the lie.

All the high tech lethality has not secured Route Irish, some things cannot be done with machines, Mr Olmert has learned that lesson. Many here refuse to.

8/03/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

At least, though, Mr Olmert changed course when he ran aground.

8/03/2006 03:36:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Rat, that's pretty harsh.
How many street dances in Leb?
Maybe Nas lies and Olmert doesn't?
Maybe Rummy wasn't lying about a future he could not see (a necessary requirement for lying is that he *could* see the future, and lied about it), but was correctly feeling responsible to exhort on the sound historical military basis that morale is indispensable?

8/03/2006 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

...anyway, until mullahs are dictating OPEC policy, we haven't lost our mideast play.

8/03/2006 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Whit (2:50 PM);

Don't forget S.P. in Blazing Saddles suggesting to Harvey Korman's character, Hedley ("It's Hedley!") Lamarr that, in order to deal with the problem at Whatever-It-Was Gulch, the hamlet that stood in the way of their planned railroad, they might contemplate "slaying every first-born son."

Korman scratches his chin for a moment:

"Hmmmm. Hmmmm.....No, too Jewish!"


;-)


I have a patient, a former rodeo clown herself, who worked with Pickens before his Hollywood days, when he, too, was a highly skilled rodeo clown.


Jamie Irons

8/03/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

We either have a Miltary that can go, "on demand", or not, buddy.

Today Mr Rumsfeld said we did not.
Today he said the US Miltary is over extended and cannot add another mission. Not that Mr Bush did not want to, but could not.
That sounds harsh, to me.

Perhaps that is the truth, perhaps not. If it is, and Rummy don't lie, we have a strategic failure of capacity. Rummy says that defense spending, as a percentage of GDP is down to 3.8%, lowest ever.
That's why no one believes there is a War, we are not fighting one.

There is no evidence of it. From the empty civilian billets in Baghdad, to the expeditures for men and material.
The combined fatality rates for our troops are no higher than their Civilian counterparts. Being a Marine is as safe as being a college student.

Which was not, I think, the case in 1942, was it?

8/03/2006 03:56:00 PM  
Blogger slimslowslider said...

forwarding a comment off of LGF:

War Analysis

Iran's Hezbollah founder:

"There are countries that have weapons but don't have the courage to use them," he said.

Just as Hitler never met a war crime he did not adore, so our friends in Iran are quite open about "solutions" and their low threshold to commit mass murder.

Downfall is a recreation of the last days in Hitler's bunker based on the history of the men and women who actually survived to tell what happened. With German actors and the dictators words being spoken by a man who looks just like him, the film is a gut twisting look into the ultimate reality crashing down on a surreal totalitarian world. It is about an insane leader and those who follow him to the end and what happens to the normal and not so normal people, those close by and those not so nearby.

Even though he knew it was over, Hitler never once considered anything other than maximum death and maximum suffering; he embodied the Fascist ideal and the consequences to his people be damned. He even used what he knew to be his last hours on earth to make sure that those closest to him also did not survive.

The similarities between Ahmadinejad and Hitler could not be more clearer. From crackpot ideology to a hijacked nation to "elite" sets of suicidal followers, Ahmadinejad talks a game just like Hitler.

We must never forget that Hitler was made; you had a willing Germany but you also had his external European enablers. Britain and France created the Versailles treaty and the treaty made a world where Hitler became possible. Then the west did nothing while he grew in power and rebuilt the military. Hitler only spoke and acted in one language: the language of war. His brutality and naked warlike nature were no secrets. People did not want to face the truth. When the last chances to stop him came, at the Austrian reunification and Munich, appeasement took over and two years later, Europe almost died forever.

Iran was also made, they are powerful and trying to become a shortcut superpower, skipping all the small weapons and just going right for the big ones.

Iran was made when Carter wimped out on the Shah; Khomeini was openly genocidal back in the 1970s; if I knew, Carter knew or should have. The Carter allowed the embassy takeover and that was a green light for the other milestone of the Jihad to be planted, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Reagan, for all of his strength, never confronted the Ayatollahs, the single black mark on his record involved a crazy Iran policy. Clinton, Bush and Reagan said nothing when the Rushdie fatwa was issued and never punished Iran for that much less building up Hezbollah and using it to kill people all over the world; they also did not see that the Jihadi global terrorist groups shared Iran's globalist terror vision. That can got kicked down the road to W and landed on his desk on 9-11.

While it made some sense not to do much with Iran in 2003, W has allowed Iran to undermine our efforts in Iraq and to run wild on the nuke issue; he cannot believe Iran is doing anything other than building a bomb and running out the diplomatic clock until they get it. Iran told the whole world to stuff it this week. They want their bomb and their ominous words about 8/22 ought to be cause for extreme alarm in the White House. Iran's efforts to distract the world from their case with the war in Israel must be seen for exactly what it is: a naked attempt to derail any effort against them. Iran certainly has removed any Israeli threat to their nukes, Israel is too busy to bomb Iran and using the very bunker busters meant for Iran on Hezbollah. Now only the US can strike Iran and all we hear from Washington is silence.

8/03/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Rummy can't say, in a hearing, while being excoriated by such as Mrs. Clinton, that there is any such thing as commerce involved in war.

Though I think today, rather than going on the defensive with her, he should have said it, after mentioning 911, because even tho the concept of "blood for oil" scares the admin to death, it is true that flipping open any history book will tell you that resource squeezes (such as the one anyone in control of the mideast could lay on us) always cause the big wars.

And he could've added that if we were to be now where we were in 1941, that is, needing to dislodge an enemy from a continental area, the ensuing blood spill would likely dwarf anything the world has yet seen.

Rummy just let her get away with a lawyer trick, a courtroom ploy. Truth suffered.

8/03/2006 04:00:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

DR folds holding a straight flush...again.

8/03/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

habu_3,

I've pontificated about this to countless others so I'll add P-Tater to my list (if nothing else, I am a tireless pedant):

...seducing the hoi polloi...

hoi polloi (an English transliteration of) the ancient Greek for "the many" does not require the extra definite article!

And tell him, too, before he falls into the second most common error of this kind, kudos (pronounced KYU-doss) is singular -- it is not "more than one kudo" -- ancient Greek for "glory, renown"...


Now I shall try to be less obnoxious. (It won't be easy.)

I wouldn't blame P-tater for gnawing on my ankle in sheer irritation.


Jamie Irons

8/03/2006 04:05:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Doesn't it matter HOW MANY Kudzu plants there are?

8/03/2006 04:08:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Four Seasons of Kudzu
(we ain't talkin Hotels here, either)

8/03/2006 04:12:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

So, buddy, the Adminstration dissembles and spins, will not explain the consequences of actions or inactions, and it's all Sam Donaldson's fault?

Mr Bush has spent to much time with Mr Blair. Mr Bush takes after his Dad and Mr Blair is no Iron Lady.
Mr Bush has gone wobbly.

8/03/2006 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Wait til Hill feels the Liebermann Blackface!

8/03/2006 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

trish - '39 far as I can tell:
For the Israelis it's '41, Pearl has just been bombed, and we're telling them to have a ceasefire!!!

8/03/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

which stock market would you buy into right now, rat--Iraq's or Iran's? For a say 18 month 'hold'?
(no fair saying 'neither' as it messes up the polling results)

8/03/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

I'd short 'em both.

8/03/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Whit,
" Birth of a New Middle East "

8/03/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Byron followed his heart, re the Hellenes, dying somewhere around that 1822 fighting for the Greeks against the Turk. The Turk lived on, only to be slain by Michael Corleone somewhere in da Bronx.

8/03/2006 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Wait a minit - did someone say we have proof that Rummy "lied" somewhere that we can all look up?

Please post some pointers, or at least a Google search that will lead us to the truth. Heh.

This idea about what year it is, and when wars start and all, well, it becomes a bit like jib jab, like Nostrodamus, like, yeh, jibjab.

For example, there is an excellent argument to be made that World War II was "caused" by the Treaty of Versailles. The poor Germans had no choice but to build the world's most fearsome military and invade everyone around them like a boots-and-tanks-on-the-ground plague.

Whatever. Somehow certain dates ring out in history, as indicative of a certain sleeping giant awakening (even though at the moment he seems to be under the influence of Nurse Wratched). Certain dates strike historic chords, December 7 and September 11 are the two that crash loudest in our lifetimes.

8/03/2006 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Whit,
Hewitt had a female caller, studying Isalam, who insisted there is not really the Islamic Terror thing going on!
Esp here.
My guess is she is not a Jew.

8/03/2006 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"studying the ROP"

8/03/2006 04:57:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Rufus says:

"I'll have the hoi polloi with au jus."

Headmaster Irons' ruler comes down across the Rufian knuckles with a resounding crack!

"Rufus, please give me again the complete conjugation, second aorist, active and middle, lu-o..."

"Rufus!!!


Jamie Irons

8/03/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

" What US has done wrong is not win yet--and it could be that that is because the enemy hasn't lost yet."
---
"Lucy in the Skyyy with Diamonds!"

8/03/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Khamenei:
"The American Regime Can Expect a Resounding Slap and a Devastating Fist-Blow From the Muslim Nation"

Either that's a "one-two" with say a resounding left slap jab followed by the devastating overhand right fist-blow, or it's a resounding jab slap doubled with a devastating left fist-blow hook, with the right held in reserve for perhaps a more devastatingly resounding straight right, in the event that we become even more insolent and more arrogant.

8/03/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

No fair out of context, Duke Kahanamoku.

8/03/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger Db2m said...

DR, 07:25:42 AM - "And if he does not, who deserves the apology?"

********
No apology would be required, since that statement was not an antithetical setup; but, touche, it still would leave you in the driver's seat, I guess, whilst we wait on the Prez to act. I think he will get aggressive, though I don't think the Mid-terms are seriously at Pubbie's risk, nor will be a factor.

Olmert changing his orientation--maybe he tuned into Pat's 700 club, and got the good-ole tyme zionist religion?





8/03/2006 07:25:42 AM

8/03/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

yes, son?

8/03/2006 05:30:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

ht Totten, Peacekeepers -- Canada, Brazil, Japan? I love it--especially Japan.

8/03/2006 05:36:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Whenever Israel is ready, of course.

Meanwhile, Fox reports, Hugo the Fat withdraws his Ambassador to Israel, and condemns "Israel's aggression with their gringo airplanes."

"Gringo" is an astonishingly crude race-bait, coming from a head of state. Will his mentor Jimmy Carter complain?

8/03/2006 05:47:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Trish,

I doubt if they had to vote on those 140 km to Baalbek the other night, at least klick by klick.

I still see everyone's shy about talking about that.

If it helps, I was only kidding when I asked if Syria has radar. I know the Wild Weasel mission, especially as flown by F-16's with PGM's, tends to tamp down emissions.

Imagine the profile, though, we've all heard two-blade Huey's overhead, even two Cobras in formation is loud as hell. I know the big choppers are quieter by volume, but ... they flew right in and out of Downtown - in HELICOPTERS.

Whoa.

As long as we can convince them that Khe Sanh turned out to be more of a pain than it was worth, we might have something here. Wow, small battlefields make for strange deadfellows.

8/03/2006 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

LOL--good gallows laff, Trish--

8/03/2006 08:15:00 PM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

As closer I get to 65, so more Mr. de Hauteville's gerontocracy makes sense.

I followed the link to Maggie's Farm.

Had to go to the emergency room to get new stitches. (abominable surgery not all healed yet.)

There should be a warning.

8/03/2006 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Me, too--those yankees over there are hilarious--

8/03/2006 09:42:00 PM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

Good Grief! These days, reading through the comments section is like trying to eavesdrop on six conversations at once... while standing on in the middle of the street between the two pubs where the conversations are going forward, with fistfights, seductions, arguments, and unruly arrests in progress all the while.

Mighty interesting exchanges though.

By the way, just a word to Habu_3:

Dear Habu_3,

Be a good lad and be certain when you take your meds tonight you take your sippy drink from the blue flask thingie on the bedside table, NOT the orange urinal on the rolling taboret on the other side.

You see, the urine has already concentrated the un-metabolized hallucinogens that got you into this state in the first place.

You don’t want to go through all that again...

8/03/2006 11:31:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Trish sez: We do it ALL the time.

But what of the famed and fearsome defenses that supposedly encrust the Bekaa?

8/04/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Thanks Trish

I just find it striking that a couple of weeks ago we were surprised to see they had ship-killer missiles, way ahead of what we expected. And now here, when you think they'd be bristling with SAMs, hmmm.

Then again, SAMs are a lot more trouble to maintain than these ancient rockets, which you could make in your local body shop.

Thanks again.

8/04/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Hey, speaking of SAMs, here it is a few days after this thread went quiet, it's Saturday, and news is out that Iran is rushing SAMs to the Hez. Guess the Baalbek raid and the others that have only been suggested are having the expected effect in puckering up the bad guys.

It's funny how the presence or lack of certain technologies can tell you what's going on.

8/05/2006 02:41:00 PM  

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