Friday, July 28, 2006

Humanitarianism in Asymmetric Warfare

Lively discussion in comments about the shootings in Seattle, Israel's strategy, the Bush-Blair refusal to set a ceasefire declaring an opportunity for a better Middle East and more ... An example -- BTW, all the victims of the Seattle shooting were women, one of whom was pregnant. So now the post comes full circle. It was originally about humanitarianism and war crimes in asymmetric war. Question: was the perp a combatant or a criminal? Question: did he commit a war crime?

Haaretz reports that:

The UN humanitarian chief called Friday for a three-day truce between Israel and Hezbollah to evacuate trapped civilians and replenish supplies to areas cut off by the fighting. Jan Egeland told reporters that thousands of children, elderly and disabled had been stranded after more than two weeks of war, while supplies of food and medicines are dwindling. He said he hoped the three-day pause could be the start of a larger cessation of hostilities between the two sides.


"Evacuate trapped civilians and replenish supplies to areas cut off by the fighting". In order to make this a legitimate humanitarian mission and not a resupply run for the Hezbollah and an escape route for its fighters the following ideas suggest themselves.

  1. All children, elderly men, women and identifiable noncombatants should be given safe passage out of the area after passing a security checkpoint to be jointly manned by the UNIFIL and the IDF. Any individual who is suspected of being a combatant can be placed in joint custody and removed to a detention facility inspected by the Red Cross or some similar institution. He will remain there until his any doubts over his status can be resolved.
  2. The UN should establish a refugee processing camp on the cleared side of the security checkpoint where food, water, medical attention etc can be provided to whoever needs it. It should be the policy of the UN to temporarily evacuate the combat zone to prevent further loss of life, in accordance with the principle that populations should be removed from the path of natural or manmade disasters whenever possible and returned only when it is safe.

Otherwise Egeland's proposal will amount to nothing more than a resupply effort for Hezbollah, which can appropriate whatever supplies it wants at gunpoint from civilians, and an invitation to a humanitarian disaster. Neither taking sides in a conflict nor endangering noncombatants is a proper activity for a relief organization. Right now the combat zone is probably littered with unexploded ordnance, hazardous material and other perils. It would be improper for any humanitarian agency to encourage continued civilian presence in an area which is manifestly unsafe, environmentally dangerous and rife with traumatizing experiences for children. The population can be returned to their homes when the fighting stops but that can only be meaningful if they keep their lives.

Although it must surely have been the furthest thing from Egeland's mind, his proposal might be misunderstood by suspicious minds as a desire to keep the Hezbollah's human shield defenses in good working order. And since this is surely not the case and since the laws of war require that noncombatants should be accorded the requisite protections, there can be no objection to evacuating the embattled areas of every civilian. Any property loss can later be the subject of claims. Perhaps these details have already been worked out by the UN. If so these suggestions are redundant.

Update

The Saudi Press Agency releases a statement apparently warning Israel of dire consequences unless it stops operations in Lebanon. "The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia calls on all to act in accordance with honest, conscious and international moral and humanitarian laws. It also warns all that if the peace option is rejected due to the Israeli arrogance then only the war option remains and no one knows the repercussions befalling the region, including wars and conflict that will spare no one including those whose military power is now tempting them to play with fire." It's a full court press now. Kesher Talk thinks that Olmert is hesitating -- with very serious results -- in his prosecution of the war against Hezbollah: using too much air, using too little ground. Too limited in his objectives. Politically Israel has reached a crisis. Set against this are signals that the Hezbollah may be hurting physically, with Nasrallah reported holed up, looking for resupply, etc. Both in 1967 and 1973 the calls for a ceasefire increased in proportion to the distress of the Arab armies. But also, and this should be remembered, once early in the 1973 war when they sought to freeze their gains in the belief that they had been winning up to that point.

But in breaking news, both Tony Blair and George Bush have laid out what they expect to emerge from this crisis. President Bush and Tony Blair rejected calls for an immediate cease-fire in Lebanon. Bush said "This is a moment of intense conflict in the Middle East, yet our aim is to turn it into a moment of opportunity and a chance for a broader change in the region". Broader change implies a re-architecturing of the status quo. What this means in actual terms will be seen in the coming days.

382 Comments:

Blogger Doug said...

Hewitt reports Rockets w/larger payloads coming in.
Report by yoni in ten minutes.
http://www2.krla870.com/listen/
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Another Nice Compliment and recommendation for Wretchard's work.
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Seems like Tony could have refered more to destruction in Israel.

7/28/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger Harkonnendog said...

Two other suggestions.

1) The UN should join Israel in its fight to rid the region of terrorists.
2) The UN should start arming the Druze, Sunni, and Christian malitias of Lebanon.

I know the UN would never do either of those, but as long as were assuming the UN is acting on good faith...

7/28/2006 03:19:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

If I were Israel I'd seriously consider getting Egeland to evacuate the towns, subject to the checkpoints. It's militarily advantageous to Israel for know that after the evacuation the area is a combatants only area. No more fire restrictions.

It's militarily disadvantageous for Hezbollah to evacuate noncombatants. Allowing this transforms their base into a traditional battlefield where heavy weapons rule and precision is no longer required.

And from the UN's point of view they would be doing what they claim they are interested in doing, which is protecting the innocents, not as may be consequent to "resupplying", leaving and even encouraging them to stay in harm's way.

But here's what I think will happen. The IDF will opt to preserve tempo rather than gain the advantage of a clear battlefield. Egeland will express horror at the interposition of any security checkpoints as violations of privacy, whatever. Even in the event that the ceasefire is granted and UN columns roll in, the Hez may prevent the population from leaving. And the carnage will continue. Makes you lose your faith in human nature.

7/28/2006 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Yoni's new blog:
http://www.yonitheblogger.com/
Pictures of the new, larger SYRIAN missile in Israel.
Says war could happen with a misstep, and Syria would be easier to deal with than the Hezzies.
I agree.

7/28/2006 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger Mrs. Davis said...

Rice is going back tomorrow. The only tempo I get from Israel is to withdraw.

If Israel were serious they would tell Egeland and the UN that they aren't targeting civilians, unlike Hezb'Allah, stop bombing arguably non-military targets, and send in lots of ground troops to devastate the Bekaa Valley and where ever else Hezb'Allah is ruling.

7/28/2006 03:51:00 PM  
Blogger Annoy Mouse said...

“The UN humanitarian chief called Friday for a three-day truce between Israel and Hezbollah to evacuate trapped civilians and replenish supplies to areas cut off by the fighting.”

Jeesh, the UN is now openly supplying Hezbollah?

What about the fact that HB was themselves blocking fleeing non-combatants? How will a ceasefire be enforced. HB will be readjusting their jockstraps and re-supplying their dwindling armaments.

7/28/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

mrs. davis,

There is a lot of worry among some Israeli analysts that the IDF has not used anything like the requisite force against Hezbollah that it should, in particular overly relying on airpower and underutilizing ground maneuver. Olmert's "First Fallujah" moment.

7/28/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger Aristides said...

What we are watching is either one of the best psychological operations in military history, or one of the worst flops imaginable.

Krauthammer observes a tremor of doubt in Israel's seemingly fractured high command, and says "The fact we even know about it and are talking about it in public means the Israelis are in serious disarray." He doesn't ponder on how or why such information slipped passed a robust Israeli censoring program.

Bush and Blair call for a ceasefire, but then proceed to define it almost out of existence, making it conditional on Hezbollah's participation in its own disarmament. And yet Rice is on her way back to the Middle East to find another roadmap to peace.

The Israeli Cabinet meets in an emergency session, where they allegedly decide not to extend ground operations in Southern Lebanon. At the same time, 3 divisions of reservists are called to the front.

Israeli officials acknowledge that Hezbollah cannot be defeated from the air, then vow to step up the air campaign while playing down any possibility of an invasion.

Everyone seems to have decided that Israel is going to settle for a political solution instead of a military one. All agree on the unlikeliness of a large invasion. And yet Israel says the Rome statement gives them the "green light" to do the heavy lifting needed to disarm Hezbollah.

If Israel blinks and Hezbollah is not smashed, Israel loses. Everyone seems to know this. Fred Barnes, William Kristol, Henry Kissinger, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, Daniel Pipes -- they all agree that Israel is in an existential fight and must succeed. They all agree that a Hezbollah merely bruised is a Hezbollah victorious. And they all seem to be losing faith in Olmert's leadership.

And yet Netanyahu, the champion of Israel's hawkish right, remains in solidarity with Olmert's Administration.

The tea leaves have never been more opaque.

7/28/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Blogger Achillea said...

The terms 'UN' and 'good faith' are mutually exclusive.

1) Ain't ever gonna happen.

2) Would just lead to civil war. Which might be useful from the brutally pragmatic viewpoint of 'as long as they're killing each other, they're leaving the Israelis alone,' but Syria would just annex the place. Again.

Absent flat out declaring southern Lebanon as a separate country from Lebanon and dealing with it on that basis, there are several things that need to happen to resolve this situation and keep it resolved.

Hezballah's military power must be ended. It's plain to all but the die-hard fluffy-bunny dreamers that no amount of negotiation will get them to lay down their arms. It can come via being humiliated by the IDF, being crushed by a multinational force, being trampled to death by Santa and all his reindeer, whatever. Their actual physical stranglehold must be broken. They'll keep trying to get back up, so somebody has to put a boot on their collective neck and keep it there.

Meanwhile, the Lebanese military needs to be completely revamped into an actual professional national military and not what it is right now -- a bunch of guys who all happen to wear the same uniform. This is what we've spent the last three years in Iraq doing with, from what I gather from various milblogs, a fair amount of success. Of course there, we could and did simply sweep the whole rotten construct away and rebuild it from the ground up. Getting that drastic is probably not an option in Lebanon, but some serious remodeling needs to be done there. Once they're up and running, they can take over the boot-on-the-neck job.

Meeting the social services needs of the south must be taken over by the central government. In large part, the Shiites who predominate there turned to Hez because they were treated like a red-headed stepchild with no place in the Lebanon family.

It will take years, even generations, to break tribalism's hold in the Middle East. The best we can do in the short term is everything in our power to get the Lebanese to see themselves as the Lebanon tribe. I don't know if it can be done, but the Cedar Revolution gives me hope.

7/28/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Blogger fjelehjifel said...

Regarding that Saudi Royal Court statement, I wouldn't give it too much credence.

The Saudis aren't about to lift a finger in Hezbollah's defense.

The statement was issued to mollify Arab public opinion and to deflect criticism from Iran.

7/28/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger Billll said...

The word we're looking for here is "hudna", an Arabic word meaning "stop shooting at me while I reload".

Right.

7/28/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

The German Amnesty International Solution(Deutsche Welle):

German AI Head Wants Fact-Finding Mission in Lebanon


Israeli soldiers fire at targets in southern Lebanon

With fighting between Israel and Hezbollah now into its third week, the head of Amnesty International's German branch said her organization wants to send a commission to Lebanon to investigate possible war crimes.

Amnesty International would like to investigate possible war crimes, said Barbara Lochbihler, general secretary of the German branch of the human rights organization.

"We cannot just protest these killings,'' Lochbihler told DW-RADIO. ''We also see that the international community itself needs to establish, for example, an international fact-finding mission under the protocol of the Geneva Convention to investigate these attacks to see if they amount to war crimes."

Obviously the Jewish Lobby has been slacking off in Germany. And the diplomatic genius of the Bush Administration continues to blind. Maybe we can sub-contract AI to investigate crimes against diplomacy, history and common sense.

7/28/2006 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...

I have been there so take this for what it's worth.

I pity the poor innocent souls that now occupy S. Lebanon, though I think their numbers are few. Any sane man would have seen the handwriting on the wall and removed his family years ago when the Hezzies were digging in. They had to know this was coming.


I say sane man. This would exclude any Hez sympathizers & I think within this category lie most of the "civilian" population in S.Lebanon. Why would they be there otherwise? They have chosen to side with the devil. If they are killed they cannot be listed as civilians. They are aiding the enemy combatants.

Furthermore, the blame for the deaths of these rests squarely upon the heads of Nasty Naz & Hezbollah. Particularly if they are limiting movement of those that try to flee. They have brought the carnage of war upon the locals.

Yet the nightly MSM news and BBC reports only harp about the Israeli response. Actually, they have dropped that term altogether. They have chosen to exclude it from their lexicon & bury it from their minds.

I don't count on the UN or the Lebanese gov't agreeing to IDF/UN manned checkpoints. Shows them as siding with Israel - although it makes sense for the good guys.

Makes me wonder if the UN, the EU & the larger Islamic world will ever come to realize the suicidal nature of their worldview.

7/28/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Blogger Mollie said...

Hmmm. This reminds me of Paris, 2003, with some 15,000 old people dying of heat stroke while their "loved ones" partied in the cool airconditioned south.

Isn't Lebanon part of grand the French colonial tradition???

7/28/2006 04:48:00 PM  
Blogger RAB said...

If the Chief Hezbo is holed up in the Iranian Embassy I say bomb the embassy. Give them 10 minutes notice in the middle of the day.

Many commentors here and in the news say that this may be the last chance to put down the Hezbos without resorting to more powerful weapons.

Remember what the Iranians did of our embassy in Teheran. Thanks be to Jimmy Carter.

7/28/2006 04:48:00 PM  
Blogger d_Brit said...

aristides, excellent point. I come down on the side of Olmert's incompetence. Hopefully I'm wrong. We will know in at most a few weeks which is the case.

7/28/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger brough said...

Aristides, re the 3 divisions, news is that only the commanding officers are being called up.

7/28/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger Gerry said...

Doug,
How did you find Hewitt? I haven't been able to access his blog for weeks, over there at town hall. Do you have a secret password? Can I borrow it?
Gerry

7/28/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

That Townhall thing is a mess.

7/28/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger redaktør said...

Wretchard,

You cannot divorce the political reality from the military.

The political reality is this: \"Our top priorities in Lebanon are providing immediate humanitarian relief, achieving an end to the violence, ensuring the return of displaced persons, and assisting with reconstruction. We recognize that many Lebanese people have lost their homes, so we\'ll help rebuild the civilian infrastructure that will allow them to return home safely.\"

Israel\'s political backers have predetermined the political prescription. The political prescription is that nothing is to change. For Israel to continue ground operations in the current predetermined political reality is just stupid.

7/28/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Doug,

It wasn't until he started raiding the trash can of a retiree who was a prolific reader that Tater started to connect things.
First it was Investors Business Daily where he went off the deep end writing cover calls.
Then one night I caught him read'n National Review ..so then it was Buckley this and that..then Jonah Goldberg and Lucianne.
Then the Hegelian dialectic set in. That was a turning point. Damn critter wanted to argue about the sun com'in up...finally he got onto Rush one day (raid'n in broad daylight he heard the retiree listen'n to El Rushbo.
So with no formal education he just kept up his learn'n til he was the alpha marsupial in the area.
That's when the 'tude started ..now he's entered a pensive Socratic zone. Lord knows, everything now is part Hegel presented with the Socratic "questions asked leads to self awareness and deeper thought"
When he gets too bad I slip some moonshine in his water hole...but the law of unintended consequences set in with the discovery of Rod McCuen 70's poems...I'll tell ya, the critter is roll'in.

4:41 PM

7/28/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

2164

Tater's covered call experience turned out well. Enought to buy a sheepskin rug for his crib.

7/28/2006 05:05:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

redaktør,

One of the cardinal rules is never to give a command that you know cannot be carried out. As you note, the implication of the political rules is that Israel should stop operations against the Hez now -- just now when Fajr-5 rockets have landed in Israel.

This creates a tremendous tension between operational necessity and the political diktat. Back in 1973 Sharon actually won the war in the Sinai by being insubordinate, for which he was investigated after war. Today that is probably impossible. But the tensions in the IDF can be gauged from the fact that General Halutz had to have a checkup for exhaustion. The last time that happened, I think, was to Yitzak Rabin during the Six Day war when Leah Rabin personally had him dragged out of the command post before he dropped dead.

My only comment is that in any contest between political diktat and survival, if the urgency is great enough, survival always wins. It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.

7/28/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

Globalsecurity seems to indicate that Syria has the SCUD B/C/D families in inventory, with variants of each, and their army equipment indicates FROG-7 and the aforementioned SCUD family. As these are TEL transported, somewhat large missiles it is possible that Syria is *giving* these to Hezbollah, but they are pretty conspicuous, and the TEL had better exit the firing are very quickly with the IAF around.

The Missile Page indicates the CSS-6, NoDong, and SCUD B/C/ER all sold to Syria in the 1990's, which fits.

Will have to wait for better reports to see if what hit was a Kyatusha variant or one of these much larger missiles. If it is one of these, the damage and report from IAF will be the clincher. Hard launch pads are not easily hidden... the TELs moreso, but the launching area, unless it is from *inside* Syria, is highly restricted. Lebanon is not a huge country.

7/28/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger redaktør said...

Wretchard,

What you say about the contest between political diktat and survival is all true, but I think you\'ll agree that in this particular set of circumstances that is a false dichotomy.

7/28/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

redaktør,

I don't think it is a false dichotomy so much as the heart of the problem. The political prescription prevents an Israeli military victory, which is what it needs. The dilemma facing Israel is whether it needs the military victory more than political legitimacy. But the contradiction and tension is there for all to see.

Olmert ought not to have begun the war if he will be forced to accept a status quo ante. I don't know how it will play out, but there tension is definitely there.

7/28/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger rufus said...

The Saudi's are mouthing off for one reason; they see that the Hez are going to come out of this smelling like roses.

Dubya and Tony probably met to discuss the possibility of putting out a hit on Ehud Olmert.

7/28/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger redaktør said...

Wretchard,

The political prescription does not prevent an Israeli military victory; it just makes that military victory irrelevant, and thereby, Israeli efforts to attain that military victory absolutely pointless.

7/28/2006 05:43:00 PM  
Blogger ambisinistral said...

Aristides said... What we are watching is either one of the best psychological operations in military history, or one of the worst flops imaginable.

No kidding. Add to that Nasrallah who, after watching Israel's reaction to the kidnapping of a soldier in the Gaza, claimed that he was surprised by Israel's reaction. It is just bizarre.

I'm beginning to wonder about that August 22nd date. Is some bait not being snapped at?

7/28/2006 05:54:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

How absurd. What kind of horse shit is this? A military victory is never irrelevent, because from that flows the diplomacy and and who calls the shots. This is an absurd argument. Olmert needs to sieze the moment, if Israel has the right stuff. I am not sure, but if they do not we all can be sure that it will be a very black day for all of us. God almighty, what the hell is going on?

7/28/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

Military victory is never irrelevant. If it were no one would seek it, least of all the Hezbollah. Nasser, Khadaffy, Saddam, Arafat, Osama, Zarqawi were each in their turn lions of the Arab street. But they were forgotten, even subsequently reviled, because they failed to produce victory.

The Arabs have tasted military defeat too often. They are admirable in this: they steadfastly refuse to accept any defeat as final. They are able to lose nearly everything and still hope for victory. Eventual victory at least. In contrast, the Western media will see 9 Israelis killed and say "see? They are defeated". Some Israelis would probably accept defeat as well. But there is a hard core who will never give up, as some of their predecesors refused to give up, even when the Roman legionaries could be heard talking outside the final redoubt. And that is true too. For some cultures, victory and defeat is an illusion. For others it marks the beginning and end of their world.

7/28/2006 05:59:00 PM  
Blogger redaktør said...

Wretchard,

Olmert did not start the war, nor should he have assumed that he be forced to again accept the status quo.

It’s obvious the US isn\'t serious about giving Israel any real political backing. It seems all such decisions are routed through a Saudi veto. And it’s also obvious the Saudis are less concerned with Iran than they are with Israel.

7/28/2006 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger brough said...

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7/28/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Windows open, windows close.

HB was low hanging fruit, that looked like easy pickin's. The Israeli did not believe US propaganda, blaming Syria. Would not engage their Enemy's conventional force. Doc Assad's eyesight must be alright, he saw right through the Israeli.

So far the IDF has killed, perhaps, 300 HB combatants, triple or quadruple that number and it'd still not be enough by half to justify this showcasing of the lack of resolve by Israel... and extention US.

It's not, On to Damascus!
but, Back to Barak!

Everytime some Event casts a pall upon Israel, Bibi's name is both whispered or shouted, in the Ministries and from the hilltops.

His time has returned, well now, has it? Like the Phoenix from the ashes, but that's not a Jewish myth.

7/28/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger brough said...

The political prescription does not prevent an Israeli military victory; it just makes that military victory irrelevant, and thereby, Israeli efforts to attain that military victory absolutely pointless.

Doesn't matter what the politicians prescribe if they don't open up the pharmacy. A tactical victory would certainly be a Pyrrhic victory for the Israelis, politcally and, it could be argued, militarily. But a strategic victory is not entirely out of the question; this would certianly not be pointless, it should be a fait accompli (although I suppose that would require a NATO 'peacekeeping' force to interdict Syria).

7/28/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

This just in:

President Bush and Tony Blair rejected calls for an immediate cease-fire in Lebanon. Bush said "This is a moment of intense conflict in the Middle East, yet our aim is to turn it into a moment of opportunity and a chance for a broader change in the region"

What do you make of that?

7/28/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Israel is in a pinch, perhaps.

This battle is a diversion, the war is with global islam, and to begin breaking it you crack Syria and Iran. That operation is ginning up.
I refuse to believe Israel is going wobbly and that Bush is not planning to help. In war the truth is escorted by a pack of lies to paraphrase Churchill.
This is a feint.

Israel and the US know Hezbollah cannot make war in the long run without Syria and Iran.
Syria and Iran. Don't buy into the diversion, it is being controlled. Suck it up folks. Israel did not get where it is today by being a patsy, and real cowboys don't go around puff'in all the time. Think Gary Cooper not Don Knotts.

7/28/2006 06:15:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Israel can have only one objective. It certainly is not about two corporals. Attack Israel and you will be the recipient of Hell. That is clear. To date, that has not happened. It better, and soon.

My meter ran out. Someone help me.

7/28/2006 06:15:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I'm glad to hear 'Tater is a prudent possum speculator.
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NY Times has a series of ROP protest pictures from around the world:
These Peace Activists in Karachi were helping to motivate our neighbors in Seattle.
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1 killed, 4 wounded in Seattle Jewish center shooting
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Police have NO idea yet the possible motive of this man from Pakistan and his friends that got away.
Probly a bunch of blonde old ladies.

7/28/2006 06:23:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

You guys have probably heard that a man identifying himself as a Muslim-American shot up a Jewish center in Seattle, killing one, citing his rage over Lebanon as justification.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/279302_shooting28ww.html

7/28/2006 06:23:00 PM  
Blogger rufus said...

I think Bebe just thinks the Israeli public would hold his criticism of Olmert during a "Time of War," to be hurtful to the state, and "political," to boot.

Besides, he's busy measuring the drapes in the Prime Minister's office.

7/28/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

"HB was low hanging fruit, that looked like easy pickin's"

Jesus H Christ, rat, HB was amping up the rocketing and murdering and kidnapping. Did you forget that? How does that low-hanging fruit theme even begin to apply? An IDF adventure--that's the enemy claim.

7/28/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Easy on the pics, Doug, or I won't get any sleep tonight.

7/28/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hugh Can Hopefully be found here.

Radioblogger has a new Steyn Transcript and mp3 here.

Yoni's new Non Townhall Blog Here

KRLA Conservative Talk Here

7/28/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

So far it does not seem that Hezbollah is either impressed or intimidated. A chilling read.

As the shells fall around them, Hizbullah men await the Israelis

Ghaith Abdul-Ahad, south of Tyre
Saturday July 29, 2006
The Guardian

Inside a well-furnished apartment in a village on the outskirts of Tyre, with shelves of books piled from floor to ceiling, a black turbaned cleric and three men sit sipping bitter coffee. By the door is a pile of Kalashnikovs and ammunition boxes; handguns are tucked into the men's trousers. The four are Hizbullah fighters, waiting for the Israelis.
"Patience is our main virtue, we can wait for days, weeks, months before we attack. The Israelis are always impatient in battle and in strategy," says the cleric, Sayed Ali, who claims to be a descendant of the prophet. "I know them very well."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,1832931,00.html

7/28/2006 06:31:00 PM  
Blogger rufus said...

Guess What? Nasrallah studied in Najaf, Iraq. Guess who his teacher was?

Counterterrorismblog

7/28/2006 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

wretchard

We have to go with the facts on the ground. The affect of the air strikes and 20,000+ artillery rounds is unknown. What we do know is that Hizu'allh continues to fire a substantial number of rockets into Israeli population centers.

The IDF has been made irrelevant by the Israeli political leadership. Why this is so is incomprehensible. If somebody told you that Hizu'allah would fire 1,500+ rockets into Israel's cities while part of the IDF remained on the Israeli side of the border, and the other went about their daily business in Tel Aviv, you would have told him he was insane.

I think that the only honorable course of action remaining for Olmert and the cabinet are to resign and slit their wrists.

7/28/2006 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

bobal,
Should I repost that nasty looking commie babe that yelled at Maliki?
I think I should be deputized to deprogram/deterrorize her using the Nitrous Oxide Detoxification Pressure Pleasure Chamber method.

7/28/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger brough said...

I thought it was signifcant that Bush was shifting the heat back onto Iran, rather than blaming Syrian machinations to "get back into Lebanon" as he ad-libbed last week. An impressive press conference for Bush imo.

He only misspoke (I hope) the once:

Q: Thank you. Mr. President, and Prime Minister Blair, can I ask you both tonight what your messages are for the governments of Iran and Syria, given that you say this is the crisis of the 21st century?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Want me to start? My message is, give up your nuclear weapon and your nuclear weapon ambitions. That's my message to Syria -- I mean, to Iran.

I wasn't expecting to see that recorded verbatim in the WH transcript....

7/28/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"that's the enemy claim. "
6:25 PM
Well, duh!
You've been gone a while eh?

7/28/2006 06:37:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...

Three cheers for Bush & Blair for sticking to their guns.

I can just hear the BBC crowd screaming for ICC action.

BTW: My 4:45 post... I have NOT been there....

No amount of spellcheck will correct that big-a fubar.

My apologies to the B-Clubbers & host.

habu: Bet ole p-tater went scramblin fer his hole when he heard there was a wiccan patrollin these parts. Figured he wuz too young to give up eyeballs & spleen for some outdoor say-once.

7/28/2006 06:38:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I would much rather POTUS DO something in Damascus, than SAY something to Tehran.

7/28/2006 06:38:00 PM  
Blogger Aristides said...

Eric Hoffer wrote:

The assertion that a mass movement cannot be stopped by force is not literally true. Force can stop and crush even the most vigorous movement. But to do so the force must be ruthless and persistent. And here is where faith enters as an indispensable factor. For a persecution that is ruthless and persistent can come only from fanatical conviction. 'Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook.'.

From where can this "firm, spiritual" dedication of violence arise?

If one were to ask Hobbes, he would suggest the fear of violent death. If one queried Melville, he would speak of those "more spiritual terrors, that sometimes menace you from the concentrating brow of an enraged and mighty man." It is unlikely that mere rational interest can inspire such fanatical violence. One's fear or hatred must be peaked if one is to beat down a movement with death and destruction. Once you start down that road, one must continue to the end, or the movement strengthens (Nietzsche: "Spirit and strength are restored by wounding;" Machiavelli: "Enemies are to be appeased or destroyed"). Once uncertainty and doubt set in, compromise is sure to follow.

Radical Islam in macrocosm, and Hezbollah in microcosm, is not a set of interests to be balanced. It is a fanatical movement pursuing a radical agenda, and it will not compromise. It thrives on strife, and is endangered by calm. Like the shark, if it's not moving forward, it is dying.

I hear many analysts talk of Israel having "sent a message" to Hezbollah, and that henceforth Hezbollah will be deterred from pursuing future rash actions. But deterrence is a tricky concept, and a poor strategy.

Philip Bobbitt, in his book Shield of Achilles, writes:

As a strategy, deterrence makes most sense in the extreme case of nuclear deterrence, where the interest of the state in simple survival intersects the clarity of the danger of annihilation. Deterrence is more problematic, however, when the calculations on which it relies become more complex, or when these calculations are clouded by cultural differences and varying attitudes toward risk...

The "love of death" is, obviously, a varying attitude towards risk, yet many propose deterrence towards those who espouse it. That is not a strategy for success.

So long as Hezbollah remains a movement, it will be a danger to Israel and the rest of the world. If it is not dismantled, then five, ten, or twenty years from now it will be able to fulfill its charter. Worse for us, if it is seen to be victorious in the present conflict, the wider movement whose honor Hezbollah carries will be reinvigorated, and therefore much more dangerous.

Israel is a small place. It will not survive the era of proliferation unless it can pull itself together, and get fanatical. But this is about more than Israel. If Olmert is about to throw in the towel, God help us.

7/28/2006 06:40:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

She was interviewed just now by Laura Ingraham on Fox. She is a full-blown nutjob, could not even hear LI's questions about whether the war had freed Afghan & Iraqi women. No connections among her points--none. Atomized universe. All events particulate matter floating around in the air.

7/28/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

6:24 PM Rufus, re Bebe:
According to Yoni, that's SOP in Israel.
Whata concept, glad we do the opposite! not
Yoni chooses to break the rule.

7/28/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

My tastes get stranger as I get older.
Maybe just so long away from anything strange?

7/28/2006 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

I meant the Code Pink ("Code Pank" in local patois) critter referred to by Doug. Sorry.

7/28/2006 06:49:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Something bit my upper lip last night (I guess) - still swelling, deciding whether to see doc.
Look like a Tutsi Warrior or something.
Not responsible for anything posted in the last 12 hours.
Out.

7/28/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Aristides said...

Bolton laid out our objectives yesterday, and Bush did today. We want Hezbollah disarmed, and Lebanon to extend democratic control over all of its terrority.

It's very Eastern to acknowledge in "crisis" not just danger, but also opportunity. Whether it turns out to have been one or the other will depend on a single binary decision, made in the halls of Israeli power.

Of course, it did occur to me that having an international professional military acting as a buffer zone between Israel and Hezbollah would at least complicate Iran's ability to retaliate in the Levant. But I don't think it will complicate it enough to be an alternative to the neutering of Hezbollah.

7/28/2006 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Well it looks like the blogging teams have formed up. OK names, they need names.
Wimps vs. Warriors
good ok.
Can'ts vs. Coulds
ok, whatever.
Sports metaphors...It's only the second inning... It's only the first quarter..and for NASCAR fans..it's only lap 10.

Wimp metaphors ..the sky is falling.
Can you imagine Teddy R. looking up at Kettle Hill saying, "Gee whiz, that looks too steep"?

Ok, all those who want to be wimps shout out.

Warriors over here.

OK, now let's get out there and blog like we mean it. Go.

7/28/2006 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Re Seattle shooting, Is anyone surprised to see this thing break out into violence stateside? Seattle--that's where the code pank lady is from. Also the WTO riots a few years ago. Ach--a cold-weather hotbed of violent peace.

7/28/2006 06:59:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

BTW, all the victims of the Seattle shooting were women, one of whom was pregnant. So now the post comes full circle. It was originally about humanitarianism and war crimes in asymmetric war. Question: is he a combatant or a criminal? Question: did he commit a war crime?

7/28/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger brough said...

PRESIDENT BUSH: Want me to start? My message is, give up your nuclear weapon and your nuclear weapon ambitions.

The more I think about it, the less that looks like a mistake. If Iran have indeed acquired a weapon to tide them over, then this could have been a heads-up to Tehran that US have seen their hole-card... [/removes tinfoil hat]

7/28/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Habu and Doug,

On the last thread, at 6:05 PM, I left behind the following [speculative] observation on P-tater:

Habu_3 wrote:



...That's when the 'tude started ..now he's entered a pensive Socratic zone. Lord knows, everything now is part Hegel presented with the Socratic "questions asked leads to self awareness and deeper thought"
When he gets too bad I slip some moonshine in his water hole...but the law of unintended consequences set in...



No doubt resulting in his singing at the top of his lungs something like this:



Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable,

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table,

David Hume could out-consume
Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel,

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine,
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel...

[Oooo...]

[Adagio ma non troppo]

There's nothing Nietzche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist;
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed!

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill!


[Now con brio]


Plato, they say, could stick it away:
Half a crate of whiskey every day!

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle;
Hobbes was fond of his dram--

And René Descartes was a drunken fart
I drink, therefore I am!

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed:
A lovely little thinker
But a bugger when he's pissed!



Jamie Irons

7/28/2006 07:07:00 PM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

wretchard wrote:

BTW, all the victims of the Seattle shooting were women, one of whom was pregnant. So now the post comes full circle. It was originally about humanitarianism and war crimes in asymmetric war. Question: is he a combatant or a criminal? Question: did he commit a war crime?

The shooter was a Pakistani man from Pasco, Washinton (according to the live radio reports I'm getting up here in the Seattle area). The FBI is involved. One dead, five wounded (three critically, maybe more deaths to come, God forbid). At a minimum, it's a hate crime. It could be prosecuted as one of the first actual acts of terrorism in the US since 9-11.

7/28/2006 07:09:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Wonder what the code panl lady will say about two women--one pregnant--getting shot by a terrorist? Uhh, actually, I don't wonder--I already know. The far left feels no humanity for certain categories of victims. What a total inversion of reality we are seeing.

7/28/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Beautifully stated, Mr. Irons

7/28/2006 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

teresita, could you let us know in a day or two how the local press is reacting?

7/28/2006 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

editorially, I mean?

7/28/2006 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Vis-a-vis the following Wretchard snip, I remember meeting an old Jewish guy on a commercial flight in the early 80's, and he says back in that war, the Israelis "had a switch to turn off the other planes."

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia calls on all to act in accordance with honest, conscious and international moral and humanitarian laws. It also warns all that if the peace option is rejected due to the Israeli arrogance then only the war option remains and no one knows the repercussions befalling the region, including wars and conflict that will spare no one including those whose military power is now tempting them to play with fire."

The Saudis have not only the undefeated F-15, they also have our AWACS and AMRAAM. Just like Israel, we sold them our best stuff.

Anyone think we have a magic switch to turn it off?

And if we don't have the Global Peace switch to turn on and off, doesn't that make the world think less of us?

Just trying to lay out some theorems of what liberal "thinking" might be like.

7/28/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Blogger Mollie said...

Aristides, that Hoffer quote:
"The assertion that a mass movement cannot be stopped by force is not literally true. Force can stop and crush even the most vigorous movement. But to do so the force must be ruthless and persistent. And here is where faith enters as an indispensable factor. For a persecution that is ruthless and persistent can come only from fanatical conviction. 'Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook.'."

My Secular acquaintances... including people such as that Egelund fella... have no mooring, no point of view, except their own "feelings."

Ultimately, we are willing to fight - on our doorstep if necessary - for our children. It is notable that Secularists have few if any children. Thus, their complete incomprehension as to the Islamist grit, or Red State patriotism.

They truly believe that (a) we can solve this with another meeting of 'minds' in Geneva/Rome; and (b) if Bush were not president, none of this 'unpleasantness' would be occurring.

The mewling on about old people and children in the war zone is just that: mewling. The Hez warriors have no problem leaving Grandma and babies in the path of Israeli rockets. Especially since their bodies are so photogenic, and the easy 'sympathy' of Euro narcissists can be turned into battlefield advantage for themselves.

This is what all this 'sympathy' for the wretched of the earth boils down to: it makes me 'feel bad' when I watch the TV news... so make it stop, Mummy!!!

7/28/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Teresita,

He'll be tried by a jury of his peers (local Pakistani 7-11 owners) who will use jury nullification on an air tight case.

The DA will be prevented from bringing charges again by the local ACLU chapter citing racial hate crime prosecution. The 9th Circuit Court in San Fransisco will uphold the ACLU's case.

He will sue the victims estates for damages to his reputation and be awarded 12 million dollars.
A desperate Tom Cruise will play him in the movie produced and directed by Oliver Stone.

7/28/2006 07:22:00 PM  
Blogger For Freedom said...

About the muslim cockroach who committed the crimes in Seattle:
Time to warm up Manzanar, rebuild the tent city. Put them in the camp and pay reparations in fifty years.

Cato the Elder:
We must destroy Iran.

7/28/2006 07:22:00 PM  
Blogger Cedarford said...

Wretchard from last thread:

There's a lot of truth in your observations. But just to stir the pot, here are some back.

If Bint Jbeil is like Fallujah the one lesson insurgents learned from it was that it was better to go back to IEDs. There were some who argued Falluja would puncture the aura of invincibility of the Marines. What it really did was convince the enemy that it didn't pay to fight conventionally again. I expect Hezbollah is going to learn the same.
.....break.............
Nasrallah receives adulation becomes he represents hope. Hope the Jew will finally be defeated. Successful where no one else has been. If he succeeds he will be immortalized. If he fails he'll join the long list of has-beens.


The difference is Fallujah was surrounded and had no supply lines to high-tech goodies. Hezbollah is different. They have depth. To get to Beruit, Israel would first have to sacrifice hundreds getting through the man-traps and tunnel bastions of the South, and Beruit would just be door-to-door on a bigger scale, and the Hezbollah base and stronghold of the Bekaa Valley would still be untouched
even then, and Hezbollah would still have the pipeline of high tech training and weapons. Hezbollah is different than the Jihadis of Fallujah - they seek to combine the ruthlessness of Islamic terror, The Will to Die Gladly, with long range, high tech weapons.

Wretchard - But there will be another, and another, each nastier than the last because unless certain cultures learn to live with the West and the Jews there will always be another.

Agree totally with that. Targeted killings or "getting" bin Laden are ridiculous memes of media, politicians, and people that "personalize" all aspects of an ideology in a single person and who delude themselves that if only that "evil mastermind du jour" falls, the ideology is defeated.

Wretchard - I know it's fashionable to knock bringing democracy to the Muslim world, but despite it all it remains, I think our last best hope. The alternative is to destroy them.

There are inbetween measures. Not especially pallatable, but if Bush/Sharansky "noble purple-fingered democracy is no threat to the primacy of fundamentalist Islam - and it looks like it isn't a viable replacement to a robust religious ideology - alternatives exist between their destruction and ours. The primary "leap" that must be made, IMO, is to realize that Islam itself is an intolerant, bloody, expansionist faith...that liberal notions of "multiculti, moral relativism, tolerance abobe all for the intolerant, subsidies for their baby mills there and in the West and their Madrassahs & Mosques" - only makes their path of conquest and global submission easier.

To survive, we may have to say that like Aztec, Thuggee....Islam is deeply harmful to modern nations and collective existential societal rights outweigh the individual rights of Islamoids. And then ban them from living in the West, Asia and cleanse them from the land. Back to a swath from Morocco to Pakistan, and pockets of Central Asia and SE Asia.

Treat them like bearers of a spreadable, incurable disease. And regrettably, also cleanse out their sympathizers. Isolate them.

Better than Carthage, better than life as a Dhimmi slave to Muslim masters living life in fear of slaughter and constant degredation.

To turn the Koran and the tradition that flows from it into a memory.

I'm pretty intolerant about Communism as a malignant ideology, same with gangsta culture...If Islam is as bad, why should I give them a pass simply because their visions of conquest, plunder, and slavery???

Where exactly is it written that I and other Westerners and Asians morally required to "cherish" other ideologies and other inamicable religions?

We could start by banning any Saudi money from coming into America for the establishment of Mosque and madrassah construction, street and jail proselytizers, and paying the teachers and Mullahs - until KSA lets us build churches and seminaries there, and let our missionaries and lawsuit-happy secular liberal Jewish activists have full access to their people..

Wretchard - I'm not sure that I'm disagreeing with you because I don't know the answers. And I'm beginning to guess that no one does. For the present, its enough to know that Hezbollah defeated will be forgotten. Hezbollah triumphant will shine like a beacon of blood.

Hezbollah continues the "professionalization" of the military and PR wings of terror groups. The goal is to narrow the differences with the West. Their sophisticated Internet and TV sites are now emulated by others. Their extensive training in tactics and use of sophisticated military equipment is longer and more extensive than what most nation's military officers and soldiers get. They want a terrorist organization as good as a US Marine brigade is at fighting. While keeping what they would call the "best" of traditional Islamic terrorism. That is their goal. Plus be better at PR, use of "enemy rights" lawyers on the other side to turn the enemy's own legal system against it's citizens in favor of the Islamic enemy's rights. To know Western and Asian politics intimately to divide their politics, and the value of money in converting and subverting...To be adept with sophisticated weapons like Manpads, long-range precision tactical missiles - while having other cadres that can seduce roomfulls of wealthy Hollywood Jewish moguls or British Labour Party activists. To have people in body armor skilled in martial arts and dealy accurate in weapons use, able to fight and attack under any condition - while still being able to get into a school of the enemy and kill children without remorse. While having a stockpile of photogenic, sypathetic "victims" that can be trotted out as TV wailers and accusers. To be able to think fast in ambush, on website design, and crossing America's open borders. Utilize stealth - all while keeping their core competencies - 3rd World victimization rhetoric that gains them sympathy, ability to hide in a population, keep utter ruthlessness and disregard of Geneva.

And above all, keep the dedication and willingness to die.

Hezbollah is an evolution. I'm afraid it's beacon already shines bright.

7/28/2006 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Cedar, bud, that's just way too long, man.

7/28/2006 07:26:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Habu_3:

Beautifully stated, Mr. Irons...

Thanks, but...as you know, those lyrics were lifted from Monty Python, every man Bruce among them!

;-

Jamie Irons

7/28/2006 07:28:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Tony,
Why don't you just submit?

7/28/2006 07:30:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Doug, Tony,
Why don't you just submit?


I can't. I was born fightin', and it's worked out pretty good so far.

No submission in sight, at least not until they put me in my box.

7/28/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger For Freedom said...

Scenario:
The war is here now. Like FDR, rev up the War Relocation Authority. Move the muslims into shiny new camps. Manzanar, Mindoka: nice outdoor life. Re-start the Custodial Detention Index, upgraded of course for the terror-infested aliens and immigrants of Arab and Iranian origin.

This scenario may well come to pass as we enter more horrific phases of this religious and cultural Great War.

7/28/2006 07:37:00 PM  
Blogger rufus said...

Piss, give me the Marine Regiment; I'll sleep like a baby.

7/28/2006 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

tony,

just use that scroll on through thig-a-ma-jig

kinda like the TV remote control

7/28/2006 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger rufus said...

Crap, just give me a couple of battalions out of the 3rd ID. Just give me Dubya, and not Olmert.

If those idiots on tv want to lionize a few morons who want to sit around in a bunker until they die, they can be my guest; but, it's nonsense.

Israel's idiotic, faltering, stutter-step, micro-campaign is making these assholes look good. It's BS.

7/28/2006 07:46:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

C4, my compliments, your insanity is now being directed onto the enemy. Good show.

7/28/2006 07:47:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

rufus
The Marines were sleeping like babies on 23 October 1983.
220 Marines, 18 Sailors, 3 Soldiers never woke up, after one HB came calling.

241 US troops KIA, those left behind, not in peace but in need of a reckoning.

Hezbollah is 3 & 0 against the good guys. Chased US away, once. The Israeli, soon to be twice.

Third times the charm, they say.

7/28/2006 07:47:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Habu 3,

I've been meaning to ask, how come there are so many Habu's?

I mean I love the plane, too. Who don't? I hear the actual snake is a real sumbitg, too.

Ps. Does the two post rule apply on Friday nights, or is it like the parking meters, free on the weekends?

7/28/2006 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger For Freedom said...

In reference to Wretchard - with all due respect - How about some real Asymmetric Warfare? How about every time one American dies in a terror incident, have the military take out a thousand islamic fascists and/or sympathizers. That would really be "Asymmetric" !!!

7/28/2006 07:59:00 PM  
Blogger rufus said...

DR, the first times the Marines kicked their sorry Lebanese asses was in 1804. We got sucker-punched in 83, and the Gipper cut and ran.

I know who I'll bet on when the tie-breaker comes. If you want to take the other side let me know.

7/28/2006 08:03:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Tony,

I mean I love the plane, too. Who don't? I hear the actual snake is a real sumbitg, too...

Snakes on a m-----------ng plane?

(And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.)


Jamie Irons

7/28/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The Humvees are heading back again hoorah? hoorah?
Back to Iraq again, hoorah? hoorah?

They Military has added two "new" Brigades to rotate through Iraq. Up to 14, total.

Westhawk
Hope for an orderly withdrawal from Iraq collapses

The US Iraq Strategy has pretty much failed, it's foreign troop training capability dismal, the Doctrine of Segregation dooming it from the start. The Camp Tanji illustration strikes again.

7/28/2006 08:10:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Rufus,

With all due respect, I'll submit that the Gipper was facing off nuclear annihilation, and for the first time in 40 years of continuous threat from Soviet nukes, he gave us a new response: Fight Back with Star Wars and a Scots Irish attitude. As much disrespect is directed his way, Reagan will go down in history as the American President who won the Cold war. As much as Libs will try to re-write history as some dumb coincidence, future generations will clearly read the dates and events and see what happened.

Likewise, the GWoT, and this new dummy Prez, who wasn't even a movie star, but only a lowly single-seat supersonic fighter pilot. Just like being a movie star, or a president, anyone could be a fighter pilot, right?

Twenty years from now, any Bushhitlermonkey could have sleep-walked through this GWoT.

(Okay, I swear, I wont' type anymore. Goodnight.)

7/28/2006 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

Tony Blair said something very interesting during the press conference. You can't win an ideological battle by apologizing for what you are. Only with confidence in yourself and your values can you overcome. Already CNN, for example, is setting the tone for the coverage of events in Seattle.


Authorities do not believe the suspect was affiliated with any radical political or religious group, said FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge David Gomez.

"We believe, at this point, it's just a lone individual acting out some kind of antagonism toward this particular organization," he said.


This in a world where Kofi Annan can decide on the intentionality of one particular attack among thousands of engagements miles away in a war zone. No. If the West goes into a mindless spasm, the last people I will blame will be Muslims. The Western intelligensia will have committed the greatest crime in history; subtly as only evil can but though not in a way they could understand.

7/28/2006 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

habu_3 said:

Teresita,
He'll be tried by a jury of his peers (local Pakistani 7-11 owners) who will use jury nullification on an air tight case.


Well the locals in Belltown (a high density residential area near the Space Needle) are the folks who keep sending "Baghdad" Jim McDermott back to the House every two years. So either way, the mantra will be "If the victims are Jews you must excuse."

He will sue the victims estates for damages to his reputation and be awarded 12 million dollars. A desperate Tom Cruise will play him in the movie produced and directed by Oliver Stone.

Tom Cruise will play a heroic Pakistani operator of an eastern Washington desert "summer camp" and shooting range for dissaffected Muslim men who was in Seattle minding his own business taking pictures of water reservoirs, the Space Needle and Darth Vader's Tower when out of the blue he was given dirty looks by six Zionist-Imperialist Pig Dog women who unfortunately had to be dispatched because they were calling in his innocent tourist activities on their cell phones, or maybe they were just talking to their galpals but they could have been calling the police you know.

7/28/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

A slip of the tonque, or what? Bush said "Give up your nuclear weapon." Maybe Rafi 'The Smelly' Eitan (Pensioners Party) was right when he said months ago he thought the Iranians already had a couple of nukes. How would that complicate some of the war gaming going on?

7/28/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Tony,
Well I started out as Habu1. Habu for the plane, 1 for the Okinawa detachment which was the first outside CONUS perch for the Blackbird.
But then the fever struck and just below where you see "or you can sign in as a diifferent user".
Well I became Eighteen Wheeler, PossumTater, and two or three others, the classic bad boy ..I became the different ABUSER!!
Our host pointed out the error of my ways and suggested Habu3. Thus Habu3. Possumtater was allowed a pass for which I am indebted to our host,as it allows me to attempt to remember to enjoy life instead of paying for some serious couch time. I mean as VDHansen has been pointing out lately, this world is morally Orwellian.
I also asked about the two post rule and Wretchard (these were open posts) basically said, Use, don't abuse, but there is some latitude dude. He is a truly gracious man, and smarter than all get out.
thats it.

7/28/2006 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The FBI Must give more mandatory sensitivity classes than Marin JC.
Make them open their minds until all brain cells fall out.

7/28/2006 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Buzz said...

Hab_3,
Tell pouchspud that I will send him a case of mason jars quitely filled in the hidden hollers of Virginia if he will go deep within code pink for a month.
Gang we better define what Victory means to us in this conflict...I know we have been all about that for quite some time. DRat...you dont have to say if you want to save the keystrokes...we know full well your objective andmost respect it. Personally I dont think seeing Nasty Nassaz head on a pike nor 1K Hizzy KIA is going to cut it. To me victory here can only be accomplished futher east. When KSA came to DC last week I'm thinking that they told the Texan that although they may posture and spit they would sit on a rug while we flew black jets to Persia....on or about 8/22.

7/28/2006 08:20:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Oh no, rufus, I don't think I'd ride with the Mohammedans.

Iran's Mullah and Mr al-Sadr, son of the mentor, had the Hes man speaking to that Mohammedan Council, when one of those cleric types asked him,
"Yo Hes, we winning the War?"
Hes, after a moments reflection said,
"Well, for the first time in 50 years, we are not losing"

I did not know, rufus, that al-Sadr Senior had taught young Hes, but it is no real suprise. Now the teacher's progeny emulates his fathers old student.

7/28/2006 08:21:00 PM  
Blogger Ash said...

"America should be galvanizing the forces of order — Europe, Russia, China and India — into a coalition against these trends. But we can’t. Why? In part, it’s because our president and secretary of state, although they speak with great moral clarity, have no moral authority. That’s been shattered by their performance in Iraq.

The world hates George Bush more than any U.S. president in my lifetime. He is radioactive — and so caught up in his own ideological bubble that he is incapable of imagining or forging alternative strategies."

On the Eve of Madness
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN


To true, all too true,except I would differ on the moral clarity part.

7/28/2006 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Teresita,
You are one very interesting, articulate, knowledgeable, funny, cool lady. i do enjoy your prose.

7/28/2006 08:23:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Guess I'll have to swear off the Green lipped mussel.
COULDN'T have been my wife's Port that I Bogarted last nite, right?
---
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Warnings:
Before taking Green lipped mussel, tell your doctor if you are pregnant or breast feeding
Green lipped mussel can be contaminated with heavy metals (5) or shellfish toxins (6)
Side Effects:
Stop taking your medicine right away and talk to your doctor if you have any of the following side effects.
Allergic reaction: Itching or hives, swelling in your face or hands, swelling or tingling in your mouth or throat, chest tightness, trouble breathing, or rash.
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That almost sounds nasty, don't it?

7/28/2006 08:25:00 PM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Isn't it interesting that Zawahiri, Al-Queda's Number Two Lunatic, called for all Muslims to rise up and fight the West on July 22, and less than a week later, on July 28, Saudi's King Abdullah obediently issues a "warning" to Israel (and the rest of the World), that "...Saudi Arabia warns everybody that if the peace option fails because of Israeli arrogance, there will be no other option but war."

One has to assume that the good King is also warning America since if Saudi Arabia wants to declare war on Israel, that is something most Americans would be intensely interested in responding to.

However, that's a side issue. I'm just a little surprised that Abdullah is so naive that he's publicly aligned himself with Al-Queda. Who woulda thunk it.

7/28/2006 08:27:00 PM  
Blogger rufus said...

Omar, at Iraq the Model has some thoughts about Zawahiri, and Syria.

7/28/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Rush used the term Lunatic.
Fits Well imo.

7/28/2006 08:31:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Buzz said...

Ash, Maybe we can send George to China so that some of their "moral clarity" can rub off on him....Nixon can back from his trip covered in it. Clinton traded them tech secrets for ten metric tons of "moral clarity" of which 10ccs he shot his intern with....

7/28/2006 08:31:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Habu, sir,

Y'know we all love PossumTater, because this is the Writing / Philosophy blog. Wretchard can't write that good without knowin' what flies he's catchin' with that honey.

But the planes are what I focus on. The Habu that sleeps in the Air and Space Museum at Dulles used to take a thousands mile long necklace of ten tankers to make it from Base to Downtown (no worries) and back home. O man, dream a little dream for me.

I've seen her twice, taken more pictures than I'd take of Marilyn Monroe.

(Okay, NOW I won't type anymore.)

7/28/2006 08:33:00 PM  
Blogger Joe Buzz said...

"came"...after Nixon...as opposed to "can"
thougth that correction required more clarification than just posting the word ;\

7/28/2006 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger For Freedom said...

Odorama - Ash, Didn't you mean the Forces of Odor: Europe, Russia, China and India ??

7/28/2006 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Didn't George Gobel play this guy? Or was it Goebbels?

7/28/2006 08:39:00 PM  
Blogger For Freedom said...

That would be Joseph Goebbels. The picture is that ugly turbaned little Egyptian 2-bit cockroach from hell.

7/28/2006 08:42:00 PM  
Blogger Aristides said...

Ash, the idea that Russia, China, et al would be in lockstep with US policy if only we had retained our long lost moral authority is ridiculous.

I mean, it couldn't possibly be that they perceive their interests differently than we do ours. No, if there's a strategic disagreement in the international community, it must mean we're doing something wrong.

Friedman advocates an effiminate foreign policy of moralism and psycholanalysis with a secondary or tertiary role for our national interest. You can be sure Russia, China, and Iran (and France for that matter) think differently.

Or do you actually believe Russia, who leveled Grozny, or China, who swallowed Tibet, are really worried about our moral failings? Are they really waiting for a more morally-scrupulous leader before they decide to follow?

7/28/2006 08:45:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

teresita, what habu said. Doug, hope you haven't accidentally et Fugu. Ash, so don't vote for him next time. Thomas Friedman will not help yer problems, tho. He's got it bad, hasn't been able to make sense ever since the Florida 2000 election got stole from the Jolly Green Giant.

7/28/2006 08:48:00 PM  
Blogger Aristides said...

The world hates George Bush more than any U.S. president in my lifetime.

This proves jack-squat. The world is dismal, tragic, shitty place, with dismal, tragic, and shitty people living dismal, tragic, and shitty lives. That's why we all came here.

The world hates Bush because he is undeterrable in championing American values and interests. Half of America hates him for the exact same reason.

7/28/2006 08:52:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Don't pester Ash with history, facts, human nature, science, geopolitics, economics, military theory or the character requirements of leadership. Ash is only interested in ideology.

7/28/2006 08:59:00 PM  
Blogger SarahWeddington said...

I think its time for the US, Russia and China to come to an understanding.

We could only defeat the Nazis and the Japanese with the help of the Russians and the Chinese and we couldn't win in Vietnma or Korea without them.

How about Bush, Putin and Hu meet somewhere and agree to this:

1. The US gives Putin free reign in Chechnya

2. We tell Hu we could care less about Taiwan

3. They agree to either look the other way or actively participate as we eliminate Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and the rest of the Islamic menace

The 3 world powers need to realize that Islamic Jihad is a threat to all of us. If we all team up we can eliminate it for good.

What would be a good deal between the US, Russia and China to put an end to the Jihad once and for all?

7/28/2006 09:01:00 PM  
Blogger rufus said...

Me too; if I ever have an idea I'm gonna ologize about it all night.

7/28/2006 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger Alexis said...

cedarford:

Here is one of my favorite historical quotes.

"What are you going to do about it?" -- Boss Tweed.

7/28/2006 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

wretchard wrote:

Already CNN, for example, is setting the tone for the coverage of events in Seattle.

Authorities do not believe the suspect was affiliated with any radical political or religious group, said FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge David Gomez.


Oh, okay, sure, yeah, it's just another run-of-the-mill gun-toting nutball, his religion and nationality (and that of his victims) are irrelevant, and that why we read about them calling in the EOD team in the very same CNN report:

A vehicle belonging to the suspect was found nearby, and bomb and explosives technicians examined it "to make sure it's safe," Metz said.

You wonder why the mainline TV and print media are struggling? They think their consumers have an IQ of 2 and it takes 3 to grunt.

7/28/2006 09:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hewitt,

Finding Nasrallah
Is he the Israelis' Osama?
If so, what would we do if we knew Osama was in an Iranian embassy?
Not bomb it, surely, but the watchers would be everywhere.
From the Washington Times :

7/28/2006 09:11:00 PM  
Blogger For Freedom said...

Teresita: Good point!

No affiliation to any terror group. Right.
Lone gunman.
Right.
No influence from any psycho religious movement.
Makes sense.

Read:
Ledeen: Mosque Matters

7/28/2006 09:14:00 PM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

sarah wrote:

1. The US gives Putin free reign in Chechnya

2. We tell Hu we could care less about Taiwan


First they came for the Chechnyans, but we did nothing because we could not care less about the Chechnyans.

Next they came for the Taiwanese, but we did nothing because we could not care less about the Taiwanese.

Eventually they came for the Canadians, but we did nothing because they're just a bunch of hockey-playing beer-drinking hosers, eh?

Finally they came for us, but there was no one standing in the free world to lift a hand.

7/28/2006 09:14:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Ms. T,

Now seared into my memory one great line, thank you.


"They think their consumers have an IQ of 2 and it takes 3 to grunt."

7/28/2006 09:18:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Seattle Suspect connects attack to Israel
The suspect yelled before the shooting according to the Seattle times
"Iam a Muslim America and I am angry with Israel" he then opened fire.
Posted by Yoni Tidi at 05:48 PM LINK

7/28/2006 09:20:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Buddy,

I'll bet Ash is a very nice fellow. (I'm assuming -- I don't know why -- that Ash is male. But it doesn't matter.)

Before 9/11 I thought in much the same way. I didn't realize, having been a sort of academic type all my life - that I had never learned to think about political and moral questions.

A lot of my best friends are in Berkeley - poets, novelists, academics, and doctors. I find myself spending less time with them because I know they sense (though we never talk about it) how I've changed. I guess they note the quizzical looks, the lack of a follow-up on a condemnation of Bush and/or Israel. The lack of enthusiasm about the Democratic Party, and "progressive" politics.

Thank G_d I still have one liberal, intellectual friend who can kid me about my change and still we get along. (He's a very famous Napa Valley winemaker and land use Macher -- virtually saved the Valley from becoming Santa Clara North by his efforts.) A German, Berkeley educated, with a sense of humor. (A combination that sounds impossible!)


Jamie Irons

7/28/2006 09:20:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Ash wrote:

The world hates George Bush more than any U.S. president in my lifetime...

Now, I've been on this planet 50+ years, and I remember extreme hatred expressed toward Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford (more like amused contempt in his case), Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton (contempt papered over as affection), and Bush 2.


Jamie Irons

7/28/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Blogger ed said...

Hmmmm.

One published rumor is that the shooter is a Pakistani muslim.

If the guy is an illegal alien living in Seattle with his family, then all HELL is going to open up on those pro-illegal politicians in Congress.

7/28/2006 09:32:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

It is now Shabbat; it will be a sad one in Seattle.

We have known countless such days.

But those who hate us exist only on the musty pages of history books, while we remain the living, breathing children of our Creator.

This too will pass.

Shalom!

7/28/2006 09:35:00 PM  
Blogger Aristides said...

1. The US gives Putin free reign in Chechnya

2. We tell Hu we could care less about Taiwan


Far away countries about which we know very little.

7/28/2006 09:36:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

For the U.N. to pretend at this late date that it is anything other than a sponsor of Terror and international chaos is laughable.

The United Nations is an enabler of Hizb'ollah.

I am a Christian. I have to wonder why the United Nations did not a DAMNED THING to comfort the Israeli victims of Hizb'ollah rocket attacks; no condemnation of the original attack; no expression of outrage at the continuing launch of ball-bearing-filled Katyushas.

What a bunch of crap. Why in the name of anything Holy and Sacred is our government giving a penny to such a crowd of thugs, liars, perverts, and expert embezzlers?

7/28/2006 09:45:00 PM  
Blogger Smacko said...

More pondering about the 'Great War' as I try to reconcile the BC thoughts on 'Total War' versus the neo-joo 'democracy' experiment in Iraq.

Taking this info only from Wretchards Hoist->Petard Post, it seems interesting to compare:

"Three days after Pearl Harbor, 67% said they favored unqualified and indiscriminate bombing of enemy cities, with only 10% expressing unqualified opposition"

with

The USAAF would never deliberately target cities. In August 1944 Spaatz had written Arnold that he was being "subjected to some pressure" from the British Air Ministry to "join with them in morale bombing." He urged that the United States keep its hand clean, at least as far as its declared policy went: "I personally believe that any deviation from our present policy, even for an exceptional case, will be unfortunate."

Even with overwhelming public support, the US did not eat from the 'Total War' table at least through the end of 1944. Even our (US) bombing of Dresden was 'aimed' at the railway yard. (I had forgotten that the Dresden bombing was in support of the Russian offensive).

That same month however was our start of firebombing Tokyo, with no pretense of 'pinpoint' accuracy. This was in Feb '45.

I would be interested in hearing comments on this time lag between public opinion acceptance of 'total war' tactics, and the US actually employing them 3 years later.

7/28/2006 09:46:00 PM  
Blogger gumshoe1 said...

_________________________

"The primary "leap" that must be made, IMO, is to realize that Islam itself is an intolerant, bloody, expansionist faith..."
-C4
_________________________

yeah,the "masses"
will never catch on.

7/28/2006 09:48:00 PM  
Blogger For Freedom said...

Hey Allen, just to let you know: a lot of us are For Israel and we're of many cultural and religious backgrounds.
Shalom!

Some reading on the cultural and religious conflict:


Spengler on Rosenzweig

7/28/2006 09:51:00 PM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

aristides wrote:

Far away countries about which we know very little.

"If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were."

-- John Donne

7/28/2006 09:56:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Jamie, concur about the "very nice fellow" hunch.
So true. probably best, while speaking with such nice fellows, not to connect the dots, not to point out to them how lucky they are to be able to feel so good for so little effort, and how blessed they are to never comprehend where their politics so often leads, for other, less fortunate people, caught somewhere out there at the whip end of the connected dots.

Allen, Shalom back at ya. Seattle is just a drop in the bucket, but it is here stateside, so it cannot make you feel very good. Magnanimous post, compliments.

7/28/2006 09:59:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Smacko,
Rush learned an interesting "fact" in the last week:
Supposedly the Luftwaffe was doing a workmanlike job of taking down London's defenses, when an RAF Pilot, lost at night, dropped his Bombs over Berlin.
Pissed Hitler and the Generals off so much, they started bombing London instead of prepping for it.
Supposedly might have saved London.
Hope Peter UK or someone who knows sees this.
I was not aware that LeMay represented a COMPLETE change of policy like that.
---
---
In the next hour, Churchill's grandson called in!
I think he said he was calling from Georgia.
He gives talks about Winston.

7/28/2006 10:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Jamie,
If you don't mind:
Is your wife a regular MD,
or is she too a Head Case?

7/28/2006 10:08:00 PM  
Blogger Alexis said...

I think there is a strong chance Hezbollah will win and Israel will lose this war. And this is less because of what happens militarily than the European Union’s intense desire to see Israel lose and lose badly.

In this scenario, Hezbollah accepts a European Union peace plan and promises to disarm. It accepts a multinational “peacekeeping” force to assist the Lebanese military in patrolling Lebanon’s southern border.

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2006/07/28/ap/headlines/d8j5cb280.txt

And guess what? Mr. Nasrallah would find some loophole in the cease-fire imposed by the U.N. Security Council to negate UNSCR 1559. He’d keep his militia, perhaps as “special police for the Lebanese Department of Energy” or some such designation and keep on browbeating the Lebanese political establishment with it. Meanwhile, enough European troops would patrol southern Lebanon to become human shields for Mr. Nasrallah but not enough to keep him from doing whatever he wants. The missiles would still fly into Israel, Israeli soldiers would still be attacked, and Israeli soldiers would still be kidnapped for more lopsided prisoner exchanges. But Israel would be warned against responding lest it break a one-sided cease-fire imposed by the U.N. Security Council.

Pundits throughout the world would praise the superhuman fighting prowess of Hezbollah and Mr. Nasrallah would strut like a peacock in Lebanon, bestowing audiences to one dignitary after another from the Arabisphere. And Iran would have acquired a major deterrent called EU diplomacy against anything United States might contemplate against Iran’s nuclear program. Diplomacy would be used where military force had hitherto failed to attempt to turn Israelis into the historic “cringing Jew”.

The question is whether the European Union can steamroll President Bush into ramming defeat down Israel’s throat.

7/28/2006 10:11:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia calls on all to act in accordance with honest, conscious and international moral and humanitarian laws. It also warns all that if the peace option is rejected due to the Israeli arrogance then only the war option remains and no one knows the repercussions befalling the region, including wars and conflict that will spare no one including those whose military power is now tempting them to play with fire."

I read this KSA quote a little differently. The "no one knows the repercussions befalling the region...that will spare no one including those whose military power is now tempting them to play with fire." was really directed to the leadership of Iran.

7/28/2006 10:12:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The neat thing about being old is you lose some of your fantasies about your ability to convert someone to see the "truth", as you do.
...unless like Rush, you have made a career of it and get good at it.
His method was to never have that as a goal, but to maximize his business sucess and audience size.

7/28/2006 10:14:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Doug, I think a Luftwaffe raider error dropped bombs on London, then the Brits retaliated with a nuisance raid on Berlin, which then caused Luftwaffe to switch their strategic campaign from RAF bases and Chain Home radar sites, to terror bombing of Brit cities.

At the time, RAF was in some amount of trouble, the base bombings were hurting badly.

When Luftwaffe switched campaigns, RAF recovered quickly and soon stopped "The Blitz", as the terror bombing was called.

This in turn caused a call-off of an invasion attempt, in favor of the invasion of USSR.

7/28/2006 10:15:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

10:15 PM
Oooh! That hurts if you're a Nazi!
---
I know very little about the Russian dustup, except that it was so ugly that I may never get around to knowing.
Love and Honor was more my speed, back in the good old days when the Cossacks would cut your head off with a Pony Charge.

7/28/2006 10:23:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Doug, a similar "hand of God" unbelievable stroke of fortune also turned the tide in the Pacific.

An accident of timing--formations out of touch with each other, essentially lost over the Pacific searching for the Japanese fleet--resulted in a torpedo plane squadron (Torpedo Eight) drawing down the Japanese fighter high cover onto the torpedo planes' low-level attack.

Torpedo Eight sacrificed itself to a plane (one man survived and was later fished out of the sea) but the Zeros were all down low killing those Torps when a dive bomber squadron by chance arrived up high.

A few minutes later four irreplaceable Japanese fleet carriers were aflame and sinking (3 quickly, 1 a little later). If you wrote it in a novel no one would buy it.

7/28/2006 10:44:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Oops--"Midway".

7/28/2006 10:46:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"If you wrote it in a novel no one would buy it."
---
But if you live in Hawaii, you can't miss it!
...and now the Federal Jerks have taken over and mandate that "nature" cover much of it up!

7/28/2006 10:50:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

People these days in the West cannot seem to comprehend what war is really like. Readers who’ve seen me reference these historical trivia before will please forgive me:

I’m sure Doug is kidding us, and knows very well that Mother Russia lost something like twenty millions of her citizens in the “Great Patriotic War.” (Isn’t that approximately the total population of California, or the combined population of L.A. and New York and some outlying districts?)

The U.S. in all its combat, battles, skirmishes, torpedoings, ambushes, amphibious assaults, and paratroop landings, lost about half a million soldiers. (about a 20:1 ratio...)

In the Second World War, Russia lost more first lieutenants than the United States lost of all ranks in all branches of its armed forces.

And in the sacrifice captured millions of Nazis, and finally marched into Berlin from the East, to meet the Allies.

That is not to ignore the assistance the West provided to the Soviet Union. My point is that in other parts of the world there are people who have seen that a nation can absorb vast hemorrhages of citizens and still advance its aims.

I mind a time when my niece — who has since become a very tough and persistent loving and energetic mom to four kids — took the afternoon off from her office job after a paper cut.

Sorta seems like there's a metaphor in there somewhere...

7/28/2006 10:56:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Jolly Green Giant after the Pearl Harbor artifacts?

7/28/2006 10:57:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

So true about Russia's sacrifice, but you gotta give ole Uncle Sam credit, to, for fighting both fascist empires simultaneously, and not because either was invading the USA, but because they were bad and needed to be stopped.

7/28/2006 11:06:00 PM  
Blogger Egfrow said...

This seems to be a war of NGO's vs States. This is what is being interpreted as Asymmetrical. NGO's don't fall under Geneva Conventions like a stat does. Small NGO's endorsed or acknowledged by the largest NGO of them all. The United Nations. This ogranization seems to be more useful the those willing to cry victim while they rape and sodomize.

7/28/2006 11:08:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Momma Bear
---
I was surprised how much has been saved, even away from Pearl Proper.
Midway's problem was being so remote, with a bunch of eco tourists, and etc that the politics allowed it to happen.
Too many real Americans in Honolulu at least at this date, to let that happen.
Lots of Japanese too, although I worry about the future for them too, the more I learn about the extent to which some are again rewriting history.
There were some interesting accounts when Japanese Elvis toured Graceland.

7/28/2006 11:10:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

11:08 PM,
Great Point:
Win the WOT by eliminating all NGO's from the face of the Earth!

7/28/2006 11:12:00 PM  
Blogger John Hawkins said...

Greeting from Seattle, where the police have taken great pains to increase patrols around mosques, because "there is always concern about retaliatory activity."

Sigh and sigh again.

Buddy,

And those lost dive bombers only found the IJN carriers because a lone US sub had made an ineffective attack earlier, and a Japanese DD stayed behind to drop some depth charges. The lost SDB pilots say the Destroyer racing to catch back up with the fleet and it led them right to their target.

7/28/2006 11:14:00 PM  
Blogger Egfrow said...

Buddy,

Also keep in mind that the Russians would not have survived at all if it weren't for Lend Lease.


the mad fiddler,

Those 20 million deaths in Russia also had alot to do with Stalin himself. All of the US's activites proped up one facist regime for another. The US would have survived the war if Hitler would have taken Russia out of the game. It would have taken longer and we would have used the nukes on Berlin and Moscow to make our final point.

7/28/2006 11:17:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Jamie:
Server acting up again:
What my browser does, is when I reload and am reading the latest post, when your pic finally gets loaded, browser pops back to the top of the page!
Very Disturbing!
Don't know if others have the same problem.
If you could link to that one I put on blogger's servers, I think we'd have better luck.

7/28/2006 11:20:00 PM  
Blogger Egfrow said...

doug,

Win the WOT by eliminating all NGO's from the face of the Earth!

I don't think that was my point. NGO's are idealogical in their purpose and sacntioned by sympathetic states, and even entire societies. States taking on NGO's is ineffective on a war that has no real named ememy. WOT or War on Tactics is a weak moral response by all states involved. Backing opposing NGO's to confront these are more like a practical solution. As the the UN, well that another issue completely.

7/28/2006 11:24:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Sigh and sigh again."
---
Anger/Despair, Anger/Despair, Anger/Despair, ANGER/DESPAIR, ANGER/DESPAIR, ANGER/DESPAIR!
When will the Madness stop?
---
And I left out fear, esp for the young uns.

7/28/2006 11:24:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Fighting spirit, bending Fate.

7/28/2006 11:28:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

re retaliatory:
---
An absence of ANY Evidence Whatsoever is NEVER a problem for liberals.
If they'd just renounce only the PC part we'd increase our chances of survival.

7/28/2006 11:29:00 PM  
Blogger Egfrow said...

Hawk,

We keep on sanctioning the tactic of criminals playing the victim even as they rape and sodomize the real ones.

7/28/2006 11:31:00 PM  
Blogger Egfrow said...

doug,

An absence of ANY Evidence. .

Those that refuse to deal with concious and rational search to understand reality wont' need any evidence. They invent it and then invent more to back that up.

7/28/2006 11:36:00 PM  
Blogger crosspatch said...

I would allow evacuation but under no circumstances allow any resupply of areas ordered evacuated by Israel. It would only prolong suffering.

7/28/2006 11:41:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Pleasant Surprise:
I guess the Nationals will now apologize for how wrong they were, right?
---
---
'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel'

On the eve of the Jewish Sabbath, a man claiming he was upset about "what was going on in Israel" opened fire at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building, killing one person and wounding five women, one of them pregnant.
- Robert Jamieson: Hate an attack on all
- A major charity for Jewish causes
- Solidarity among interfaith community

Sound Off: Were you affected?
---
PIC - Mike Urban/P-I
Paramedics rush away one of the six victims of a shooting at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle's offices downtown on Friday.

7/28/2006 11:48:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

It's a HATE CRIME though.
Those Joos aren't easy to Terrorize, ya know.

7/28/2006 11:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Sad Indeed:
"It is sad and infuriating and frightening to think that conflict in the Middle East can ruin peace of mind here at home. It doesn't matter if the target of a hate crime is a mosque, a synagogue or a community center.

An attack on any such institution is an attack on anyone who believes in the freedoms of this country and importance of community.

On a sunny Friday afternoon in Seattle, a man filled with hate attacked every one of us
"
---
I carried quite a bit of hate myself, back in the day.
Guess I didn't feel too "enabled and empowered," though, by a whole world full of fellow travelers telling me my feelings were valid and worth acting out on.
...I wonder where that might have come from?

7/28/2006 11:59:00 PM  
Blogger Strabo the Lesser said...

I agree with many above that this is the template for the future. We will see the future of western civilization here. Has the rot gone deep enough that we cannot recover ourselves? Israel will provide the answer. If Israel, in a time of momentous danger, can't collect the will to win then the lights will go out across the western world again, because it will be the sign that nothing is to be defended.

7/29/2006 12:15:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

What IS this sordid, murky, overwrought, hyperventilated, psycotic, schizoid, delusional, mesmerizing, enchanting, hypnotic, dream-weaving, spellbinding, utter horseshit?

7/29/2006 12:16:00 AM  
Blogger greer rants said...

Just check out the salaries that the heads and administrators of NGO's are pulling in.

Gotta be a place to employ all those grads of the made-up schools within the Universities. Black and Women's Studies majors find homes if they can't get on with "civil rights" groups. And lots of enviro nuts in the NGO's also.

Will never forget the great on scene posts by Diplomad an FSO on site when Tsunami hit Dec of 04. UN was criminally pathetic. Christian groups, who have lots of unpaid and very low paid personnel were biggest help and only ones who fought with the Government to get donated equip and supplies.

Mark Steyn has gone onto more current events, but ~6 months into relief effort he was reporting on Financial Times investigation that entire containers of donations such a the "Body Shop's" Lemon soap still had not been passed thru "customs".
Nor had heavy equipment, earth movers etc. Wonder whose son-in-law is now selling all that soap?

I see NGO and I see RED!

Praying that Bush/Blair don't back down and that Israel's wobble is psy-ops.

Just hard to believe from intial reports that Israel was surprised by what the Hezzies had. With all their technology and humit, a threat right on their border and they weren't paying attention. Especially with Iran as their backer?

Does not make sense.
Do you think the CIA would have ever sunk to their depths if a sworn enemy was on our border? I doubt there would ever had been the infamous Church Committee.

In that situation, recruits by CIA probably would not have included the likes of Valerie Plame and her Vips buddies.

7/29/2006 12:29:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

August 22 is also the scheduled release of Paris Hilton's debut album. Talk about the Alpha and Omega of religious hysteria trying to occupy the same space in the same time. Jeez, I picked a fine time to not be unborn.

7/29/2006 12:30:00 AM  
Blogger wretchard said...

About 200 protesters, many waving Lebanese and Palestinian flags kicked, punched and pelted John Howard's car today after the prime minister, who has been supportive of Israel, emerged from a Liberal Party conference in Perth. "We want peace," they chanted as they mobbed Mr Howard's vehicle.

7/29/2006 12:34:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Morwellian Oralizing.

Wonder where the counter-demonstrators are?

7/29/2006 12:44:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Howard's comments about the oppo's mining and labor policies are priceless.

7/29/2006 12:51:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

12:30 AM
Hey! That's a First for Me!
I like and respect Paris Hilton's efforts more than someone elses!

7/29/2006 01:01:00 AM  
Blogger greer rants said...

Saw the AP headline on Haartz that police were battling with pro-Hezzie mob attacking John Howard.

See you are on top of.

John Howard just tickles me.
Australians should be very proud of that man and of their own wise choice.

Hope that they shoot a few of the crazies - we do not want to lose John Howard.

7/29/2006 01:08:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Authorities do not believe the suspect was affiliated with any radical political or religious group, said FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge David Gomez."
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If you can pretzel your mind into accepting that that might possibly not be a complete baldfaced lie,
would it still be alright to ask WHY
FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge David Gomez
didn't mention WHAT the guy was yelling about?
As I remember it, it wasn't about his girl that done him wrong, was it?

7/29/2006 01:18:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

A Canberra aircraft is escorted by 9 Red Arrows as it performs a flypast at the 39 Squadron Disbandment Parade held at the Royal Air Force base at Marham, England, Friday.
The RAF waved goodbye to one of its most famous spy planes, the Canberra, which first flew in 1949, after defence ministers decided that the aircraft should be phased out because of advances in surveillance technology.
(AP Photo/Chris Radburn-pa)
(July 28, 2006)

7/29/2006 01:29:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Wonder if the Skunkworks got some of their U-2 inspiration from that old lady?

7/29/2006 01:42:00 AM  
Blogger 2164th said...

A little personal opinion on the two post rule. This place with the strict adherence to the rule is like Thanksgiving with a tofu turkey. Some of the scolding traffic posting wardens can be more tedious than any multi-poster. The all-time mega-poster was wu wei. He was a very enthusiastic guy and clearly needed his own blog. I differed with him, but then the other day, I was called a "petulant ignorant f*ck", so I can wrinkle a shirt or two. I am never going to have my own blog for no other reason than it is too much work. I do not know how our host does it. I just don't want it to stop, but he's the guvnor.

C-4 is a strict adherent to the rule, but that boy can blow some radiator caps with one turn of the engine. This blog would be one collossal yawn without the loyal opposition and by the way, where went wu wei?

7/29/2006 02:37:00 AM  
Blogger wretchard said...

2164th,

The rule is a guideline which I try to follow myself and which I am obviously breaking on this thread. I think the spirit behind it is good but it's nob substitute for good judgment

7/29/2006 02:42:00 AM  
Blogger Cedarford said...

Buddy Larsen said...
C4, my compliments, your insanity is now being directed onto the enemy. Good show.

Which enemy would that be, Larsen?

America has many enemies. Internal and external.

The Muslims are the most visible of the external enemies, the most potentially dangerous long-term though it may not ever war on us, is China.

Of the internal enemy, the most dangerous is the Left, and the Left is deeply reliant on secular Jews for money, intellectual rationalizations, media promotion, organizational ability.

Same as it's been for 90 years since they ran Communism in America, then "progressed" to running any number of "progressive" groups, once communism was discredited.

Open Border advocates, corrupt crony corporatists, MEChA, globalists, transnationalists are also significant internal enemies.
***********************
Wretchard - BTW, all the victims of the Seattle shooting were women, one of whom was pregnant. So now the post comes full circle. It was originally about humanitarianism and war crimes in asymmetric war. Question: is he a combatant or a criminal? Question: did he commit a war crime?

5 years after 9/11 - the "enemy rights advocates" and enemy sympathizers inside the ACLU, US Senate, and MSM have largely won the battle to frame unlawful combatants here as "criminals" with "full constitutional rights".
Obviously a hate crime! Obviously the Pak's pals at the Mosque, the madrassah he may have attended that gave him his views and hatred are off the hook. If Islamoids were actually waging asymmetric war here, they wouldn't be "criminals" like Mohammed Atta and Hamdan......keeping it "criminal" is important to the Left because actual Islamoid killers are just the tip of the spear of the radical Islamic community - treating them all as enemy supporters - to the Left - would mean the horrible specter (to the Left and liberal Secular Jews) of locking up or deporting a whole bunch of radical Islamists.
***************
Tony - Twenty years from now, any Bushhitlermonkey could have sleep-walked through this GWoT

5 years after 9/11, an interesting defense of our inarticulate Jimmy Carter of the Radical Right, President. How IS our "global war on the tactic of terror" going?

The irony is the Bush is smart enough to know that he failed badly and is in a horrible, self-made mess. He was reticent to mobilize the people and tell them the truth on the enemy. He put his tax cuts to the wealthy before any other priority, took on 3 trillion in new spending debt mostly to corporate welfare, local district pork, and new government employees. Failed to stop the explosion in entitlement costs and added a new massive entitlement which is a 13 trillion dollar subsidy to his corporate pals at Big Pharma. He was beguiled by the neocons into successive foreign policy disasters, by business interests to keep the borders open to depress wages here to maximize profits. He failed to lead his party, which went into a runaway paroxism of greed and corruption, that is splitting apart on what ideology they stand for - if they grow government more than LBJ did. He has alienated most countries, had no postwar vision for Iraq other than what the neocons assured him would happen, and allowed our country's Naval Fleet and Air Force to run down.

Worst President since Warren Harding. Smart enough to know he screwed up royally, amoral enough not to care as long as he gets to bed early and has nice bike rides 3-4 times a week.

7/29/2006 02:50:00 AM  
Blogger PossumTater said...

Well I be say'in wek'ns be best.
I wuz out raid'n laz nite wit an ole he coon fren. we gots ta gumm'in 'bout cedrfort and my frnd "poon-coon" don told me sump'in i nvr node.
he say c4 is jus unload'n cuz he gots to win.
i sez, "win,win wot?"
Well pooncoon say he hurd dat c4 dun cum in sexon place in da Mavis Bacon type championshit.
"so i sez"
dat pooncoon sez it ain't what he say it be practice fo dis yer typ'n contest...so c4 jus type
pooncoon say he sawsum hiz writ ovr ate a home improvemnt blog.
"lawd i sez, you jus ax da man wht hout it is and he tell you how to build a watch."
sum folks jus dat way, runn'in on.

7/29/2006 04:56:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I wonder if pooncoon Don is related to Mr Beachcomber of Hawaiian pooncoon fame?
Mr C-4 mentioned spending:
I just learnt yesterday they spent
THIRTY SIX BILLION of our hard-earned Dollars on that worthless Dept of Homeland Bureaucratic Impurities.
GRACIOUS!

7/29/2006 05:05:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Speakin of runnin on: I just HAVE to unload:
---
I can't go on like this, typin right through this internet/habu link direct to P-tater's little brain all the time actin like I'm not carrying a dark, shameful, and disgusting secret from the past regarding his kin:
I SWEAR if Id'a known how tough his little Cousin's skull was...
There's NO WAY I woulda chose that trenching tool as my weapon of choice when I took after the little feller hangin inside our chicken coop: NO WAY! Something quick, easy, and HUMANE, I woulda come up with, honest. I woulda done ANYTHING else had I known what a bloody, disgusting affair that was going to turn into. Even the transport the critter to somebody else's backyard in a boxtrap trick like we sometimes did with Bobcats. ANYTHING!
I know I can't expect P-tater to ever really forgive me, but if he could just leave a few bygones go, and accept me as a flawed but sincere human cousin tryin my best to make amends for my past transgressions I'd be grateful, eternally.
Once again, I am sorry beyond words.
Thank you for your kind, furry attention.

7/29/2006 05:09:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Was that Mavis Bacon outfit in Georgia, or Sillycoon Valley?

7/29/2006 05:31:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Al-Qaida has launched an Internet television channel that broadcasts speeches by Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri and documentaries about its war with the West.
The Arabic–language site is called al-Firdaws and it appears to be in an experimental stage.
Currently the videos air between 8 p.m. and midnight Mecca time.

Like most traditional Islamic television channels, the broadcasts open with a reading from the Koran, followed by a film on al-Zarqawi and various videos.

The end of programming comes with Jihadi songs, calling for Islamic martyrdom.

7/29/2006 05:44:00 AM  
Blogger PossumTater said...

Doug,
Tain't naw fergiv'in to be made.
even possum's got sum bad 'uns dat need spad'n upside da head.
since we be truth'n i once had it out wit a big ole reel ugly possum frum down in nuther holler. caugt 'em rustl'in in my rhubarb patch. strangeld on him wit a kudzu vine. so don't worry. your'n probably liked the Jimma cawtas anywey. plus gittin a chicken outside iz one thang..go'in coop'in is vit'n da early end.

7/29/2006 05:49:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Dangers of a Kinder, Gentler Bush
By Danielle Pletka
Financial Times | July 28, 2006

The first four years of the Bush administration, the so-called cowboy years, were characterised by assertive leadership, a no-nonsense national security policy and gratuitous rudeness to many of America's allies. Recently, Washington has made a 180-degree turn: the cowboy is gone, the rudeness is gone and with them, it appears, has gone a sound security policy.

The centrepiece of American foreign policy now consists of multilateralism for multilateralism's sake, a triumph of process over progress. From North Korea to Iran, challenges that once had America reaching for its holster are now viewed as opportunities to have another meeting...
FRONTPAGE

7/29/2006 05:51:00 AM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Doug,

Sorry, I wasn't around at 11:20 PM.

Couldn't get your work-around to function.

I removed the picture altogether, and as Mrs. Irons raised her sons to be good citizens, I'll just do without one!


Jamie Irons

7/29/2006 06:38:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Jeez, that's too bad:
Nice Picture!
Maybe one of your engineer sons could provide aid?
I would no nothing had I not homeschooled our computer wizard son. Wish he was still here to keep me current!
---
If you were a liberal, how did you avoid the curse of 2 or fewer kids?
Sure wish we had grown up in time to have more.
---
Sure wish Ledeen Ran State Dept - or Chester.
Iranians like Heydari believe that their country, ethnically and linguistically Persian, should stay out of the Arabs' fight with Israel and focus on improving living standards at home. "I don't think it's right to support them when our own people are hungry," says Mohammad Reza Afshari, 23, a mechanic who works two jobs yet still cannot afford to move out or attend college. The shop where he works abuts a vast mural depicting a female suicide bomber with a baby in her arms, accompanied by the words I LOVE MOTHERHOOD, BUT I LOVE MARTYRDOM MORE. Frustration with such propaganda underpins young people's reactions to the conflict. "Where are the Arabs?" asks Afshari angrily. "They're sitting around, while we're risking our position in the world."

7/29/2006 06:43:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

How many sibs, if I may ask?
Did girls got left out of 2 generations? ;-)
---
Incidentally, my son, and my best friend (an old aerospace engineer)
Both say I ask too many questions, so disregard any you please.

7/29/2006 06:47:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

In the discussion of the ostensible collaspe of the Bush administrations foreign policy one inspectum left for light to shine on is the "Corleone Correlative".
This we owe to Michael Corleone.

Take care of all the heavy lifting simultaneously. Syria and Iran. Same night. By dawns early light their putative "societies" will be in chaos, attempting to find water and bandages.
Their stygian world granted to them by OUR might and OUR force of will.

7/29/2006 06:50:00 AM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Doug and Habu,

P-taters are a protected species in the Napa Valley.

When we first moved here in the early eighties, we had a chicken coop. I went out one night to see what all the commotion was, armed not with an entrenching tool (Porgie! Don't eat with your hands! Use your entrenching tool!), but with a burned out Skilsaw and a handful of those two-ounce triangular sinkers you use for surf-casting off our coast.

Sure enough, old P-T was slinking out of the coop, two or three hens stuffed in pouch and the old rooster dangling from those ugly jaws...

Up to that moment I had been unaware that Fish and Game had helicopters, let alone S.W.A.T. teams!


Jamie Irons

(Three sibs, one sister in Morocco, two brothers in US)

7/29/2006 07:04:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Meet Naveed Afzal Haq [Andy McCarthy]
The Seattle Times (h/t Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch) has more background on Naveed Afzal Haq, the man who yesterday shot six women, one fatally. We learn that his father was a founder of a local Islamic center; his landlady thought he had recently gone to Pakistan;
"He said he hates Israel," said the source, who is part of the Seattle Joint Terrorism Task Force, which was called in to help investigate the shootings.

David Gomez, the assistant special agent-in-charge of the Seattle FBI office, said there is "nothing to indicate he is part of a larger organization.""We believe he is a lone individual with antagonism toward this organization," said Gomez....
Haq was involved in an Islamic center in Richland, but he did not discuss his religion with his neighbors, said Hales.
9:40 AMNot Terrorism Related, and Certainly Not Islam Related [Andy McCarthy]
Kathryn, the Post-Intelligencer story is so typical of what happens in a society and a government which default from the ideology part of an ideological war.
A Muslim man walks into not just any building in Seattle — not even just any identifiably Jewish location in Seattle — but into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, whose mission since 1926, according to the website it maintains, is to "ensure Jewish survival and to enhance the quality of Jewish life locally, in Israel and worldwide."
The Muslim man has obviously not only carefully chosen the target but cased the place. There's a security system, so he waits until someone attached to the Federation enters using her access code, then he pounces, forcing his way through the open door. He brandishes a large caliber, semi-automatic handgun. He announces that he's a Muslim angry at Israel. Then he randomly, wantonly opens fire — shooting six women, one of whom is pregnant, one of whom is killed.
So what happens? The police don't even want to admit that he's Muslim ("You could infer that," the police chief tells the reporters who press this patently relevant question). And the FBI insists it's not terrorism.
Now, it could not conceivably be more clear that it is terrorism. If the FBI is saying they can't link him to any known terrorist group, that doesn't mean it's not terrorism. It's too early in the investigation to have run down whether the guy has ties to known groups; even if he doesn't, not all terrorism is committed by known groups (sometimes the acts of terror are how we get to know them); and even if he is acting alone, federal law recognizes the concept of lone-wolf terrorism.

7/29/2006 07:11:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Brent Scrowcroft writes a really funny piece today in the WaPo. Ms Condi's mentor has the answer, so to be sure, Condi does too.
So simple and yet refined. The compromise for all times.
Yet, he says "... These elements are well-known to people who live in the region and to those outside who have labored over the decades seeking to shape a lasting peace. What seems breathtakingly complicated, however, is how one mobilizes the necessary political will, in the region and beyond, to transform these principles into an agreement on a lasting accord. ..."

If only everyone would agree, there'd be no more problem. But then Mr Scrowcroft and his apprentice are behind the curve. The are both Hamadan true believers

"... But Hezbollah is not the source of the problem; it is a derivative of the cause, which is the tragic conflict over Palestine that began in 1948. ..."

Just another Local Conflict, the original and still the best.

Not part of an International Axis or Mohammedan Mahdi fanatics attempt to gain World Dominion.

So, no habu, do not expect a midnight flock of US birds to fly through the Arabian night.

7/29/2006 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

DR,

The idiocy of Mr. Scowcroft is appalling. I know you're being ironic, but I don't find it amusing.

What has happened to this country?

Jamie Irons

7/29/2006 07:21:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

Hezbollah politicians agree to cease fire (story in lefty Haaretz so take with appropriate number of grains of salt).

7/29/2006 07:26:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

doug,
Bet he did not have the aQ ID card.
No aQ card, you can't be a Terrorist. Like those fellows in Miami, they made themselves ID cards, so they qualify as Terrorists even though they committed no Terrorist Acts.

DC is a Union town, doug, if they don't have a card, are not a dues paying member, a Criminal can't be a Terrorist.
There are Rules

7/29/2006 07:27:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hawaii is a Union State.
I understand rules.
I am unarmed.
Son is undetered!
One Shipping Company.
No Costco Gas.
30 cent electricity.
Union Song:
"Lucky You Live Hawaii!"

7/29/2006 07:36:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"So, no habu, do not expect a midnight flock of US birds to fly through the Arabian night. "
---
I watch such periodic flights of fancy here at the club as nice exceptions where my vision is superior to my betters.
I'll never forget the nite FRED predicted some leaker would have the book thrown at him!
Har de Har Har!, ad nauseum.

7/29/2006 07:42:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

C4, without delving into your post beyond two obvious howlers, have you looked at the stock performances of "Bush's Big Pharma" since the PDB? Or of federal tax rcpts since the "tax breaks for the rich"? And that's just plain old arithmetic--no dynamic scoring or nuthin.

7/29/2006 07:43:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

DR

Well there's always hope. I do know there's a huge dissent within the administration about the quality of Condi's work. Scowcroft I knew at CIA,he's a different guy today, turned gutless.

I still hope for a pre mid term strike. If it's not done then the political opposition will change so much as to ensure another US war failure.
Another aspect is that Bush may personally feel he's too far ahead of public sentiment to strike and is, a la Roosevelt, waiting for another 9-11 to solidify a myopic electorate. Bottom line none of us know with certitude we'll ever have another heartbeat, much less try to accurately decipher the machinations of the ME.
So I toss it out, we look at it, and filter it. SOmetimes it's smooth,mellow and fragrant..sometimes it's a stinker.
So, you and I wait to see, being the hoi polloi thats about the extent of our impact on events.
Gotta run errands ..DR you have a great day. Same to all. Back later..if I get the heartbeats I've always taken for granted.

7/29/2006 07:44:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Those pesky Israeli, now they've gone and created the greatest ecological disaster, EVER, in the Med.
"... The Mediterranean is threatened by its worst ever environmental disaster after Israel's bombing of a power plant in Lebanon sent thousands of tonnes of fuel gushing into the sea, the environment minister charged.

"Up until now 10,000-15,000 tonnes of heavy fuel oil have spilled out into the sea," after Israel's bombing of the power station in Jiyeh two weeks ago, Lebanese Environment Minister Yacub Sarraf told AFP Saturday. ..."


Lebanon oil slick 'worst environmental disaster' in Med

Should have gone and killed a few hundred of Doc Assad's tanks. Would have diminished HB politically and Syria both politically and militarily. Instead it is Israel that did not meet it's "Goal" of HB's destruction.

No civilians displaced, no charges of War Crimes, or sectarian cleansing, no ecological disaster.
They could have had a "clean" Border War, as Washington, by blaming Syria from the outset, had given them cover for.

Poor choices were made Israel

7/29/2006 07:48:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I'm starting to think Baby and Prof Landis have Magical Powers.

7/29/2006 07:51:00 AM  

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