Thursday, August 31, 2006

And the green cape brings forth the spring

Jeff Jacoby at Boston.com describes a new industry; or perhaps a very old one. The notion of altering the future by manipulating symbols in the present goes back to prehistory. It has returned with a vengeance in the form of politically correct instruction. But first, let's look back at prehistory.

Sympathetic magic, also known as imitative magic, is a type of magic based on imitation or correspondence. Imitation involves using effigies to affect the environment of people. Correspondence is based on the idea that one can influence something based on its relationship to another thing. ... In 1933, Leo Frobenius, discussing cave paintings in North Africa, pointed out that many of the paintings did not seem to be mere depictions of animals and people. To him, it seemed as if it was an acting out of the hunt before the hunt began, as well as a consecration of the animal to be killed. In this way, the pictures served to secure a successful hunt.

Pictures are still used today to "secure a successful hunt". Jeff Jacoby describes how textbook publishers create a synthetic image of the world for their audiences when the real one won't correspond.


You're a publisher of children's textbooks, and you have a problem. Your diversity guidelines -- quotas in all but name -- require you to include pictures of disabled children in your elementary and high school texts, but it isn't easy to find handicapped children who are willing and able to pose for a photographer. Kids confined to wheelchairs often suffer from afflictions that affect their appearance, such as cerebral palsy or muscular dystrophy. How can you meet your quota of disability images if you don't have disabled models who are suitably photogenic? Well, you can always do what Houghton Mifflin does. The well-known textbook publisher keeps a wheelchair on hand as a prop and hires able-bodied children from a modeling agency to pose in it. It keeps colorful pairs of crutches on hand, too -- in case a child model turns out to be the wrong size for the wheelchair.

Or you can simply buy pictures from organizations which specialize in fulfilling the unfortunate textbook author's need for quota pictures. Jacoby mentions Photoedit, a company which "specializes in supplying publishers and advertisers with positive images of ethnic and minority people in all walks of life." It claims that "over 75% of our image library features African-American, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, Gay and Lesbian, handicapped, and senior citizens in their daily life." Of course pictures of actual minorities might not be suitable for the textbook because the real thing sometimes doesn't match the image the textbook author must project. A little editing will set that right. Jacoby notes that one supplier of pictures

advises publishers that images of Chicanos can be passed off as American Indians from the Southwest, because they "look very similar." Similarly, Golden notes, a textbook photographer tells clients that since the "facial features" of some Asians resemble Indians from Mexico, "there are some times where you can flip-flop."

And we are back in the world where Warner Oland can play Charlie Chan. After all, if a Swede can play a Chinese detective in a Hollywood movie, it's only fair to let a Filipino play a Mexican in a textbook. But sometimes the Mexican can't play the Mexican if, for example, he has blue eyes. Jacoby observes that "authentic Hispanics who happen to have blond hair or blue eyes don't count toward the Hispanic quota 'because their background would not be apparent to readers'". But it is really Jacoby's next anecdote that takes us back to the prehistoric world of cave art and sympathetic magic. If you can't find your minority, Photoshop one in.

In 2000, the University of Wisconsin at Madison featured a group of students cheering at a football game on the cover of its admissions brochure. One of those students was Diallo Shabazz, a black senior who hadn't been at the game. University officials, desperately wanting the new publication to reflect a diverse student body, had lifted Diallo's image from somewhere else and digitally inserted it into the football shot. "Our intentions were good," Madison's director of university publications said when the deception was exposed, "but our methods were bad".

But the road to hell is sometimes paved with good intentions. Reality isn't always what we are certain it should be, even when our carefully selected images try to create it. If the picture below really isn't true, so the argument goes, it ought to have been.

577 Comments:

Blogger bobalharb said...

Some of the earliest cave paintings seemed to have according to some interpretations, been struggling to differentiate the now, from the past, and the future. These weren't rendered in animal forms, but rather, in very simple geometic designs,one line, three lines, a circle, maybe a triangle,etc. It is hard to understand what they were up to--what, 50,000 years ago, they may have been struggling with, time perhaps; or I quess, in the alternative, something much simpler, like fooling around, like kids do in first grade. Hard to tell. I will try to find the author and the book I take this from--and post it--she was a French anthropologist some fifty or so years ago.

We have many petrogylphs on the caynon walls of our rivers around here. They seem to have been made much later than the earlier ones in France and Spain, and don't seem to yield the same kind of insight in to the beginnings of marked human thought, but rather animals. events, happenings, the course of the stars and moon,etc

This is all in it's infancy and all very exciting, and uncertain.

8/31/2006 03:50:00 AM  
Blogger Starling David Hunter said...

Wretchard wrote that there's 'a company which "specializes in supplying publishers and advertisers with positive images of ethnic and minority people in all walks of life." It claims that "over 75% of our image library features African-American, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, Gay and Lesbian, handicapped, and senior citizens in their daily life."

A few questions and observations come to mind.

1) How in God's name did we ever come to this state of affairs, a state where a grab-bag of mutable and immutable and elective and universal human characteristics all got lumped together and made to stand (or sit or hobble or wheel) in opposition to "non-minorities", esp. to the dreaded and fearsome white male?

2) There is also a market for images that show minorities in pathetic and helpless circumstances. I use lots of images on my blog, The Business of America is Business. Much of my traffic comes from people searching for images. One search string that has given me quite a few hits lately is "poverty in america". Maybe because it's the first anniversary of Katrina? Here's a link to the post where it appears.

Katrina, Poverty, and the US Job Market

I can guarantee this image is not in PhotoEdit's image library.

3) Any idea how much they pay people to appear in photos or how much they'd buy some of mine for? I've got plenty of "minority action shots" from me doing real life things like teaching students and grading papers. I could easily take more or stage a few on request. Some of them are here.

Bit Sand Pieces

Should I maybe hire an agent?

8/31/2006 03:52:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

bobalharb said:

We have many petrogylphs on the caynon walls of our rivers around here. They seem to have been made much later than the earlier ones in France and Spain, and don't seem to yield the same kind of insight in to the beginnings of marked human thought, but rather animals. events, happenings, the course of the stars and moon,etc

Five thousand years from now they will dig up our CDs and say that we were a vain culture that was obsessed with our appearance, because we made millions of little plastic mirrors (with inexplicable holes in the middle)

starling dave hunter said:

How in God's name did we ever come to this state of affairs, a state where a grab-bag of mutable and immutable and elective and universal human characteristics all got lumped together and made to stand (or sit or hobble or wheel) in opposition to "non-minorities", esp. to the dreaded and fearsome white male?

I think it has to do with a tendency by the minority to say they have "lives" but certain minorities only have "lifestyle choices". The pictures show those minorities having lives where they eat, sleep, work, and pay taxes, just like anyone else.

8/31/2006 04:17:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

In the words of the great Jewish sage, Paul Simon, "A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."

Great stuff!

8/31/2006 04:21:00 AM  
Blogger RWE said...

Of course, this brings to mind the case of the statute that was to comemerate the firefighters raising the flag at the ruins of the WTC. They were going to have to depict them as being the correct mixture of races.

This sort of thing is not the same as going down to the Ethan Allen store to buy an authentic Early American computer hutch or TV cabinet.

How did they run those TVs and computers off of whale oil, anyway?

8/31/2006 04:24:00 AM  
Blogger Goesh said...

-and speaking of synthetic images: 22 bombs just went off in Thailand at banks. The MSN reports says that 1500 people in Thailand have been killed since early in 2004. This we are told is the result of "muslim insurgency" - they want a country of their own. Well it sure smacks of vicious terrorism to me, you know, stone age type animals seeking to impose their political will on others by killing them. The term "muslim insurgency" almost has a glamerous ring to it, wouldn't you say? Much less offensive than terrorism - they're just some freedom loving boys wanting to escape the tryanny of Buddhism, right? The MSN report failed to connect it to Iraq and Bush however.

8/31/2006 05:25:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

starling david hunter

How in God's name did we ever come to this state of affairs, a state where a grab-bag of mutable and immutable and elective and universal human characteristics all got lumped together and made to stand (or sit or hobble or wheel) in opposition to "non-minorities", esp. to the dreaded and fearsome white male?

Because of the incredible successes of the fearsome white male. Plato, Euclid, Pythagoras, Virgil, Shakespeare, Da Vinci, Beethoven, Newton, Euler, Riemann, The Founding Fathers, Maxwell, Einstein, Dirac, Pasteur, Bill Gates, ... ad infinitum.

Dreaded white males all. Dreaded -lest it disclose a law of nature.

It doesn't, it discloses a law of attitude.

A law of belief, if you've been following W's recent posts.

Don't apologise.

ADE

8/31/2006 05:36:00 AM  
Blogger Grudge McGnarly said...

Interesting, rwe, and sadly not a suprise. I have been irked by the same phenomenon for the past few years, albeit in a less dramatic context. It's something you notice at the gas pump, the promotional images atop the pump reflect the prescripted variety: asian female, black male, white female, etc...or at the contemporary art museum in Chicago, a tryptic presenting a similar heterogeny with the conspicuous absence of the white male. I don't insist that we dominate the imagery, but it would be nice to be recognized as an integral member of the identity spectrum.

It just doesn't pay these days to be the (Invisible) Man.

8/31/2006 05:53:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

Hey, those are my icons!

Pinocchio and friends converted to Islam
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/31/wpino31.
xml

8/31/2006 05:56:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

...don't apologise...

because you don't have to. You're just an accident of birth, as am I.

It is possible that that you have been born into the most advanced culture on the planet.

Nothing to be proud of, everything to cherish.

ADE

8/31/2006 06:34:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

wretchard said:

Of course pictures of actual minorities might not be suitable for the textbook because the real thing sometimes doesn't match the image the textbook author must project. A little editing will set that right

I can't control what textbook makers do, but if I personally am "colorblind" then images of people cannot influence me one way or the other, whether they are all white or an artificial balance of types. There isn't any such thing as race, and there never was. There's only the human race. Everyone is various gorgeous shades of brown, and the degree of variation is smaller than most people realize. Some cultures think there are only three colors in a rainbow, not the seven colors the technological West swears by. It's all subjective nonsense.

8/31/2006 06:39:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

Terisita,

I apply the telephone test. If they sound Western to me (Mumbai accent, couldn't care less) ie, they tell me what the weather is like and I feel they are just like my daughter's friends, they're in. What a gloriously complete non issue race is.

ADE

Er, I'm over two comments.

8/31/2006 06:47:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

Anointiata Delenda Est said...

Because of the incredible successes of the fearsome white male. Plato, Euclid, Pythagoras, Virgil, Shakespeare, Da Vinci, Beethoven, Newton, Euler, Riemann, The Founding Fathers, Maxwell, Einstein, Dirac, Pasteur, Bill Gates, ... ad infinitum.

Caesar, Caligula, Napoleon, Jefferson Davis, Eichmann, Goebbels, Stalin, Al Capone, Al Bundy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Lenin, Hitler, Mengele, Joseph McCarthy, Torquemada, Fred Phelps, Benedict Arnold....

8/31/2006 06:55:00 AM  
Blogger John Sadowski said...

Here's a link to some of the more famous examples of doctored photos including the ones Wretchard metioned.

8/31/2006 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger Rem870 said...

Excuse me, but what the Hell is JD doing on your list Teresita?

8/31/2006 07:08:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

And there we have it

Caesar, Caligula, Napoleon, Jefferson Davis, Eichmann, Goebbels, Stalin, Al Capone, Al Bundy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Lenin, Hitler, Mengele, Joseph McCarthy, Torquemada, Fred Phelps, Benedict Arnold....

Oh, all cultures have these: Mohammed...Bin Laden. The trick is to rise above it.

Remind me, oh T, in what bit of neighbourhood terrorism did the names I quoted indulge? Interesting that you picked local punks.

Sing Ode to Joy by McCarthy, rise above the gutter.

ADE

(Now on four)

8/31/2006 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Jacoby's concluding para:

"By reducing 'diversity' to something as shallow and meaningless as appearance, they reinforce the most dehumanizing stereotypes of all -- those that treat people first and foremost as members of racial, ethnic, or social groups. Far from acknowledging the genuine complexity and variety of human life, the diversity dogmatists deny it. Is it any wonder that their methods so often lead to unhappy and unhealthy results?"

Amen, well said.

8/31/2006 07:42:00 AM  
Blogger Mark Terwilliger said...

Hold on just a minute:

Textbooks (at least in k-12 public school) are now, and have always been, vehicles of propaganda, pure and simple.

Public education has always had as one of its central and most important objectives the transmission of "common beliefs" to a new generation of citizenry. All societies absolutely require a store of commonly held beliefs in order to be able to cooperate effectively with one another. To a great extent, the very definition of a "social group" or "society" is in their shared beliefs.

If you think the "diversity" propaganda is laughably out of sync with actual reality, what can you think about the "clean, sober, prosperous, hard-working, cheerful, and white" propaganda that preceded it? You think *that* view matched the world seen by grade school students in working class American neighborhoods from Bangor to Baton Rouge in 1900? In the 1920's and '30's? In the 1950's even? Come on!

In all cases, there is a none-too-subtle laying out of some IDEAL. Not a reality, but an ideal. That's what textbooks present.

Personally, I see nothing wrong -- and a whole lot that is very right -- in having our public school propaganda celebrate the diversity of human kind.

I think most people on this list would agree with me, as far as that goes.

What irks me, and what I think troubles many others on this list, is something else -- something that is operating silently and *behind the scenes* in the whole matter of "diversity." That something else is "political correctness" or PC.

Political correctness is not just a slightly over-enthusiastic embrace of "good manners," or a silly effort at coining new euphemisms. It is far worse than that. At its base, it is not even an attack on "white males." It is far more subtle and dangerous than that.

I take PC to be nothing more or less than a deliberate attempt to establish -- as the basis of ALL human morality -- an unstated and unquestioning adherence to the following (false) logic:

-- Oppression is (always) evil and the lack of oppression is (the only) good.

-- The strong (always) oppress the weak.

... Therefore:

-- The strong are (always) evil and the weak are (always the only) good.

That's the underlying logic of PC in a nutshell. What makes this logic particularly PC (and also false) are the terms in parentheses. PC is an absolutist formulation.

For PC to operate successfully, however, this underlying logic must never be displayed in the open where it's flaws become all too obvious. Further, any attempt to challenge the results of this logic must be met with a storm of accusations of moral turpitude, arrogance, callous indifference to the noble aspirations of a suffering humanity, etc.

The whole point of the exercise is to keep the underlying logic out of sight, and to only allow the "resultant" pronouncements to be aired. Adherence to the underlying logic is sacred to the PC crowd, and they will brook no contradiction, nor even any question.

PC is not the celebration of true diversity. It is the exaltation of weakness and the demonization of strength.

Who could wish to promulgate such a topsy turvy foundation for all morality? Well... those who see themselves (and their clients) as perennially weak, and who (more important) see their chief adversaries as "the strong."

Some people say the PC formulation originated in the Frankfurt School in 1930's Germany. I'm not scholar enough to judge of that. I do know that, in my own lifetime, PC has become an unquestioned foundation of the self-styled "Progressive" wing of the American left.

The way to fight against this pernicious meme is to make its assumptions explicit -- to begin and end all related discussions with a full airing (and demolition) of the false logic underlying PC.

The problem with the formulation is not that it is never true. Indeed, I will grant that it is often (perhaps even "usually") true that the strong oppress the weak, and that this is often (perhaps even "usually") a bad thing. But PC demands that we accept without question that these things are *always true* and that any divergence from that "truth" is a mark of depravity and treason against humanity. It is the extremity and the unquestionability of PC that I find destructive of our public discourse.

The way to defeat PC is to expose its true nature to the light of day.

8/31/2006 07:43:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

David Starling Hunter...How did we get here?

Slavery.
A universal throughout the history of mankind. However the last major bastion of the koffle and enforced cotton picker was the US South. England and France had given up slavery as had Russia but still it existed in the South.
Abolistionists from the colonial times worked to end it but it took a political twist in the US Civil War to get it codified.
Then came the Radical Republicans impeaching Andrew Johnson for attempting to carrry out A.Lincoln's non punitive reconstruction of the South.

A steady metronomic drum beat of WHITE MANS GUILT developed until it too became codified in the Civil Rights laws, thus PROVING that white men were guilty of all ills suffered by Negros in the US.

Jesse Jackson and other blacks have made an entire industry of guilting and "blackmailing" industry into "doing his will"
Quotas were codified.Statistics on crime by race, productivity etc were disallowed. The list became endless as the pendelum swung, as it always does, too far in the wrong direction.
Everone knew at the Constitutional Convention that slavery was"the snake under the table" but to solidify the document and the country the South was badly needed. So accomodations were reached and the colonies became the United States.
Abolitionist continued agitating until civil war broke out.
The winners wrote the history (until lately) and WHITE MANS GUILT resulted in the Marxist dictum of redistribution of wealth.
How many Trillions have been spent to date to get us to RAP music, inner city black birthrates in Detroit of 100% illigitimacy?
And you know,it was blacks who sold blacks into slavery, along with Arabs. And to this day it exists in Africa (see the Congo and others)
So were now
we have a patiently synthetic system that rewards not achievement but color and ethnicity.
Read Thomas Sowell,Shelby Steele and other black authors if you doubt. But of course they're just Uncle Tom's to the Maxine Water's of this world.
Blacks even demand reparations in spite of the trillions spent on "save and educate the blacks" programs. But to study and achieve in the black world is to be an "Oreo". So the Clarence Thomas',J.C.Watts,Colin Powell's, and our current Secretary of State are all just Uncle Tom's, sell outs...and the limosine liberals just keep feed'in the lie.

8/31/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

Nice post, Mark

I take PC to be nothing more or less than a deliberate attempt to establish -- as the basis of ALL human morality -- an unstated and unquestioning adherence to the following (false) logic:

-- Oppression is (always) evil and the lack of oppression is (the only) good.


Here's my take. PC is about discrimination. The D word.

In my humble opinion, the most important attribute of humanity is discrimination. I discrminate on my blogs, my readings, my children's friends, my music...

I'd go so far as to say that if you don't discriminate, you're not human.

But discrimination has been outlawed, because it has given rise to the most awful discrimination on the basis of the colour of somebody's skin. I desperately hope that this is all over, and my fervent wish is that we all became a blend of tan.

Because we could then discriminate on the basis of whether the person is nice (or not).

Discrimination is the highest attribute of humanity.

ADE

8/31/2006 08:06:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Activist judges, racial preferences, the stakes in this election: this story’s got it all.
Terrence Pell, head of the Center for Individual Rights , has a piece out today called,
By Any Means Necessary ,”
about an outrageous attempt by a Democrat-appointed federal judge to maneuver the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative off the ballot.

The “Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action By Any Means Necessary” is the group trying to stop Michigan’s voters from exercising their right, guaranteed by Michigan’s constitution, to decide issues by ballot.
When a group’s name implies that it will resort to violence, if necessary, to maintain racial preferences, it does not inspire confidence in their tactics.
- Stanley Kurtz

8/31/2006 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger What is "Occupation" said...

I am a bigot.

I am a hater.

I discriminate.

I am bigoted against those that want my lovely children dead.

I hate those that wish to remove my head from my shoulders

I discriminate against those that would see my head used as a soccer ball.

i am also intolerant of intolerant people

I do not respect other peoples beliefs, but their right to hold other beliefs.

I DO respect all ethical people inspite of thier stupid childish beliefs, including my own

8/31/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Not Out of Africa: How Afrocentrism Became an Excuse to Teach Myth as History Was Greek Culture Stolen from Africa?
---
There were books in circulation that claimed that Socrates and Cleopatra were of African descent, and that Greek philosophy had actually been stolen from Egypt. Not only were these books being read and widely distributed; some of these ideas were being taught in schools and even in universities.

Ordinarily, if someone has a theory which involves a radical departure from what the experts have professed, he is expected to defend his position by providing evidence in its support.
But no one seemed to think it was appropriate to ask for evidence from the instructors who claimed that the Greeks stole their philosophy from Egypt.

8/31/2006 08:25:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

08:21:01 AM - I am turning you into the intolerance squad.
(two meanings)

8/31/2006 08:26:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL TERRORMASTER
(AND CARTER, Bush and Condi)

The Iran Follies, continued ... [Andy McCarthy]
June 1, 2006: Attempting to mollify skeptics who questioned the wisdom of both negotiating directly with the terrorist Iranian regime and offering it generous incentives, the New York Times reported that aides Secretary of State Rice insisted that to “the deal also commits China and Russia to a long list of specific steps to punish Iran if it refuses to halt its enrichment program.”

August 31, 2006: The Wall Street Journal
reports that the Bush administration officials are contemplating, at best, the proposal of low-level sanctions (such as travel restrictions on Iranian officials and curbs on dual-use technology trade), and possibly doing so outside the UN Security Council framework, because there is no commitment by China and Russia to sanctions, much less specific steps to punish Iran for refusing to halt its enrichment program.
---
Meanwhile, we pay for a terror-master to Campaign with Carter, Speak at Harvard and the National Cathedral.
Army of One, Presidency of Mush.
United Nations Travel Restrictions, My Ass.

8/31/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Blogger snowonpine said...

The federal agency that I worked for posted jobs over the years with increasingly specific target audiences. If you were disabled in any way, no problem, if you were a minority, no problem, if you belonged to a "protected class," no problem. If you were a WASP and male, forget it. If you were a disabled, female, minority member who also happened to belong to a protected class, Bingo! Race, sex, sexual orientation, protected class status, to judge from the results, very often trumped competence. From what I observed, political orientation, which was supposedly not to be considered, also played a large part in hiring decisions. Towards the end of my delightful, way too long tenure I even saw a posting in which they stated that an applicant from the Alaska, Aleutian islands area would be given preference-I suppose so that they could finally check off some rarely checked box on their diversity checklist.

8/31/2006 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger What is "Occupation" said...

http://www.zipperfish.com/free/yaafm12.php

everyone take a break and watch this..

8/31/2006 08:36:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Is 'tolerance' oppressive?

8/31/2006 08:40:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

OCCUPATION'S EXCELLENT LINK
Ends with: Muslims, You are F...... Morons.
Unfortunately, So Far,
So are We.

8/31/2006 08:52:00 AM  
Blogger epictetus said...

But sometimes, technology provides access to true events that people otherwise would not see.

From Powerline, video of Israeli soldiers in Lebanon.

http://switch248-01.castup.net/cunet
/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=209947&ak=63628786

How do I actually put links in? Is there a web page with instructions for fools like me?

8/31/2006 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

so we are, doug--

Mark Terwilliger (did i spell it ok?)--
that was an excellent essay--thanks.

8/31/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

snowonpine said:

The federal agency that I worked for posted jobs over the years with increasingly specific target audiences.

Mine too. In the 1990s there were two RIFs here ("peace dividend") and about the only people left when it was finished were veterans with 10-point disabled preference and 5-point Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal preference. I didn't hear too much whining and complaining about those set-asides.

8/31/2006 09:01:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

epictetus
scroll +/- three inches, apply the info beneath this phrase:

"Example: To embed a link into a Page, blogpost, or comment, it may take this form:"

8/31/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

TERESITA,
BETTER TO HAVE 13 YEAR OLD NEA AMAZOIDS?

8/31/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger Aristides said...

Correspondence is based on the idea that one can influence something based on its relationship to another thing. ... In this way, the pictures served to secure a successful hunt.

The medium has changed somewhat.

As an aside, a few weeks ago I said that Bush would soon be hearing his own words repeated back to him on the issue of Iran, with the intent of steeling his spine to take on the Mullahs.

Doug said it was "testable."

Here are the National Review Editors, a group that exerts some influence on perceptions in the White House.

8/31/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Muslims are rewriting our mutual history so that a lot of things Western end with a "happy" Muslim ending.

See current news stories about Turkish texts being altered so that Pinocchio, Cinderella and other Western children's stories end with a conversion to Islam.

There are also on-going Arab "urban legends" about various well-known Western figures converting to Islam (i.e., Prince Charles, Michael Jackson).

To me, this is just plain lying and should be an indication of how very desperate the "culture" involved is for any kind of support.

8/31/2006 09:29:00 AM  
Blogger Mark Terwilliger said...

Thanks for the compliment, "Anointiata Delenda Est," but I don't believe PC is "about discrimination."

"Discrimination" is literally the ability to perceive distinctions. As such, it is indispensable to ordinary life. This is a quality of human intelligence that used to be called "judgment" back in the 18th Century, (when it was contrasted with its complementary form of intelligence called "wit" -- the ability to perceive similarities between seemingly dissimilar things).

All of that has almost nothing to do with what people mean by "discrimination" in a social or political sense, however. The word is being used as a "term of art" when it comes to social and legal contexts. For example, by definition (in this context), the word refers *only* to "unjustifiable" and "improper" discrimination (or judgments). It's no use pointing out that the word "discrimination" has other more basic and more important meanings in the broader context of human life in general. It's just another hijacked word, serving out its time in some narrow discipline -- like the word "force" in physics, war, and horticulture.

I said the more general definition had "almost nothing" to do with the use of the word in a legal/political context. Almost, but not quite.

Discrimination is judgment. All morality is a form of judgment, and there is no morality without judgment. I do not think the PC claim either that we should have no morality or that we should refrain from all judgments. Far from it. To the extent that PC is "about discrimination" I think you will find PC demands that we discriminate or make judgments based on the "weak = good, strong = bad" moral foundation I laid out above.

The proof is in their actions. The PC heap scorn on the whole notion of "discrimination" against "white males." Why? If you take "discrimination" to mean "improper negative judgments," then how can they ignore one set of negative judgments while combating another set? I submit, it is because "discrimination" per se is not the issue with them. It is power.

In all moral questions, what matter most are the relations of power, for these -- and these alone -- allow you to determine who is the "oppressor" (= "bad") and who is the "oppressed" (="good"). By PC definition, the weak cannot "oppress" the strong. Anything that might, at first, look like "oppression" is really just a richly-deserved pay-back for past offences -- not to mention the ongoing "offence" of being "stronger" and therefore more evil.

It is NOT that the "weak" cannot pass judgment against the "strong." It is rather that the moral calculus is different. A judgment against "evil" is a good thing. Since the strong are evil, any judgment against them on the part of the "weak" (= "good") cannot be "improper," even if the particular judgment should have no immediately demonstrable basis in fact. Hence the judgments of the "weak" against the "strong" cannot be "discrimination" in the narrow judicial sense.

You see the same thing going on in the issues surrounding the GWoT. There are no moral grounds on which a committed Marxist could ever support the "Islamo-fascists." Indeed, by all rights, Marxists should be standing four-square with the Capitalists against such retrograde agents of Feudalism. And yet, many elements of the left seem inclined to give the Islamo-fascists the benefit of the doubt at the very least, and sometimes voice open support for them. What in the Hell is going on? Once you realize that their moral compass is based on the PC principles of "weak=good, strong=bad," it begins to make sense. The United States, the strongest nation on earth (supposedly) is, by reason of that strength, also the epitome of evil. Some murderous schizophrenic in a bomb-vest is clearly far weaker than the Hyperpower (or nearly any other duly constituted state on earth), so they are always morally superior.

This is my real objection to PC: it leads to ridiculous, nonsensical -- and often very dangerous -- moral miscalculations.

8/31/2006 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Successful Hunt"
"Peter Dale, head of More4, which is due to air the film on October 9, said the drama was a "thought-provoking critique" of contemporary US society.

He said:
"It's an extraordinarily gripping and powerful piece of work, a drama constructed like a documentary that looks back at the assassination of George Bush as the starting point for a very gripping detective story.

"It's a pointed political examination of what the War on Terror did to the American body politic.

"I'm sure that there will be people who will be upset by it but when you watch it you realise what a sophisticated piece of work it is.
"
- Aristides' Link

8/31/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Don't forget the issue of "crime', Mark. It too has been politicized, all criminals are political prisoners. Even child molesters--victims of society. It's the philosophy of death, in that it goes nowhere that life can exist. A western jihad, just about the same age as the (most recent) eastern jihad.

8/31/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger charlotte said...

Nahncee, it certainly is an abomination to rewrite and revise classic literature and art, but I almost look forward to attempts to Islamicize Portnoy's Complaint. The fundies would be defeated out of hand.

8/31/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Any Criticism of a Dem's "Patriotism"
(even without mentioning it)
Is an ASSAULT, and a HATE CRIME.
...but we have soundbites of the Screaming Madwomen HRC.

8/31/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Catherine:
How about,
"Finnegan's Wake?"

8/31/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger rufus said...

Time to put it all In Perspective.

8/31/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

The fall (bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonner-
ronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthur-nuk!) of a once wallstrait oldparr is retaled early in bed and later on life down through all christian minstrelsy.

The great fall of the
offwall entailed at such short notice the pftjschute of Finnegan,
erse solid man, that the humptyhillhead of humself prumptly sends an unquiring one well to the west in quest of his tumptytumtoes:

and their upturnpikepointandplace is at the knock out in the park where oranges have been laid to rust upon the green since dev-linsfirst loved livvy.

8/31/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Here's another one for your deadly dichotomies, Mark:
"knowledge=strength=evil"
and the reciprocal,
"magic=weakness(vs technology)=good".

...thus we wear pyramids on our heads to prevent baldness, among other like stuff.

8/31/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Mark Terwilliger says in part:

"You see the same thing going on in the issues surrounding the GWoT. There are no moral grounds on which a committed Marxist could ever support the "Islamo-fascists." Indeed, by all rights, Marxists should be standing four-square with the Capitalists against such retrograde agents of Feudalism. And yet, many elements of the left seem inclined to give the Islamo-fascists the benefit of the doubt at the very least, and sometimes voice open support for them."

This is an excellent point. The left has been using Marxist cant for 100 years and yet even Marx and Engels stated they could not explain their own philosophy. Thomas Sowell in his tome "Marxism" says the same thing and he is considered a preeminent scholar on Marxism.
Marixism contains many sing-song phrases that sound pleasing to the illiterate, much like Johnny Cochrans' "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit" sing song..it's handy and easy to remember so it's used extensively...but it's bull shit.
(by the way next time you put on a glove first spread your fingers apart as far as they will go and see if the glove fits..it won't)
Now, much like the Islamic problem in Europe we redistribute income to blacks and other minorities as pap so they won't burn the country down.
*******
Teresita threw up this Hail Mary.
"There isn't any such thing as race, and there never was."
More than a few anthropologists would disagree. As for me ROTFLMAO.

8/31/2006 10:33:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

mark terwilliger; 7:43AM

re: PC

Those promulgating PC offer themselves to the poor, virtuous downtrodden as a bulwark against the strong, vicious evil-doers.

Thanks!

8/31/2006 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

peterboston said:
teresita is not all wrong. There are moral considerations, even in total war.
It's just that dropping a few on Honshu didn't violate any of them, nor did busting the dams, or pulverizing Dresden.

If that is true, then your only possible moral objection to 9/11 can be on the grounds of the Boo-Hooray Theory of Just Warfare.

Boo for them, hooray for us.
It was our civilians who were targeted in the World Trade Center.

It certainly wasn't a surprise attack, OBL had declared war in the US in the 1990's and had struck several of our assets overseas.
8/24/2006 11:45:22 AM

8/31/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger Alexis said...

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8/31/2006 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Teresita said,
"Using a sledgehammer to smash a spider one inch from a woman's toe amounts to deliberately targetting her toe.

Using a U-235 device to take out a Mitzubishi factory in Hiroshima amounts to deliberately targeting the civilians who live nearby.

Firebombing entire cities made of paper is in the same vein. The only reason the allied generals and leaders haven't hung for Dresden is they won the war.

The ironic thing is those same allies stand up in horror when Hezbollah does the same thing on a far smaller scale (44 Israeli civilians dead).

It's wrong no matter who does it or why.
Aim for the soldiers, not grandma.
8/24/2006 10:43:19 AM
"

8/31/2006 11:00:00 AM  
Blogger Tipmoose said...

Teresita:

Al Bundy??? What did Married With Children ever do to you??! :)

8/31/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Well, if you'll recall, doug, 911 DID make USA virtuous for a few weeks--until the first JDAM slammed into a Taliban bunker. Israel just faced the same thing--virtuous for a few days, until she struck back. Israel & USA can only win by losing.

8/31/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Wherever i spend eternity, i'd like my neighbors on either side to be Al Bundy and Rodney Dangerfield.

8/31/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

tipmoose said:

Al Bundy??? What did Married With Children ever do to you??! :)

Al Bundy, Al Zarqawi, Al Gore, all those Als.

(Actually I should have said Ted Bundy.)

8/31/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen,

re: Israel & USA can only win by losing.

Sorry, buddy, but both CAN win by winning. Neither can, however, take forever to do it.

___Maximum violence at a point
___Offer apologies after the victory parade

8/31/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger snowonpine said...

Teresita--My agency decided it wanted its own personnel policies so, among many other things, it decreed that it would not honor veterans preference at all. Result; it was extremely rare to find a veteran, even in research sections devoted to research into national defense issues, or anywhere else in my 5,000+ person agency. Thus, management very successfully edited out any grubby, uncivilized people and views likely to conflict with their prevailing elevated mindset.

8/31/2006 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy Larsen said...
Wherever i spend eternity, i'd like my neighbors on either side to be Al Bundy and Rodney Dangerfield
******
Buddy, Make mine Jonathan Winters and Beethoven.

8/31/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

i can hear the laughter now, ha-ha-ha-HAAAH!

8/31/2006 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

Talking about PC and misappropriated iconography:

"If this has been mentioned, I beg pardon, but the betrayal of the President by Powell/Armitage et al makes Mr. Powell a real poster boy for the fanatical wing(s) of the Democrat Party, doesn't it. Hmmm...2008...Hmmm...2008?"

8/31/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

snowonpine

Teresita--My agency decided it wanted its own personnel policies so, among many other things, it decreed that it would not honor veterans preference at all.

That's remarkable. Such a glaring procedural non-compliance should have been brought to the attention of your congressman, who theoretically has oversight responsibilities.

8/31/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

They call me the Belmont Club troll, but who's dredging up posts from days gone by to stir up shit?

8/31/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

buddy larsen said:

Israel just faced the same thing--virtuous for a few days, until she struck back. Israel & USA can only win by losing.

No, we win by refocusing our attack on Al Qaeda's agents and finances, and by letting ourselves get sidetracked by any more experiments in democracy from Lebanon to Uzbekistan. Our steadfastness is about to pay off in Cuba when Numb Nuts checks out, it will pay off in the GWOT too, even if it also takes 50 years.

8/31/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

nahncee said:

There are also on-going Arab "urban legends" about various well-known Western figures converting to Islam (i.e., Prince Charles, Michael Jackson).

Prince "I wanna be your tampon" Charles? A wife-smacking Muslim? I don't think so. And what would Jacko get if he was martyred, 72 Cub Scouts?

8/31/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Anointiata Delenda Est, in his closing remark said:
Don't apologise.

Excellent advice. Not only that but how many leftist have conservatives ever converted?

For the current generation in power, the "Boomers" the 60's and Vietnam produced a cleaveage that will not be healed until the grave claims us all.
It lay dormant during the child rearing years(for the most part) as many leftists co-opted their own ideologies to make a living while continuing leftist dictum.
Now as they retire and the freedom that comes with it they are once again ginning up a 1968. I mean after all W "had to steal the election via the Supreme Court" in order to become President.( just ignore the Electoral College acccording to them)
The discourse is once again growing more coarse.
If they regain power this country will not survive the enemies it has from without, for they will become the Left's allies within.

8/31/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

gotta be flotation device.

8/31/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

teresita; 11:42 PM

re: "No, we win by refocusing our attack on Al Qaeda's agents and finances"

As long as the US is "sidetracked" aQ's major financial centers remain intact.

By all accounts, the biggest pot of aQ gold is in Saudi Arabia. Hmm

Oddly enough, aQ may be generating considerable revenue right here in the good old US of A, without the FBI caring to take much notice (it wouldn't be PC). C4, on an earlier thread, linked to Mr. Lehman's piece in the WP: We're Not Winning This War
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/30/AR2006083002730.html

Mr. Lehman's analysis is devastating - oh, and non-partisan.

8/31/2006 12:00:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

From David Starling Hunter's blog Bit Sand Pieces (from the caption of a picture of the minaret near the Dubai airport):

"I've been told that within the major cities, all the way from Abu Dhabi to Ajman, and perhaps beyond, there is no minaret from which it is not possible to see another minaret."

I believe this is a statement from a resident of Dubai, and certainly does not describe the whole arab/Islamic world, not by a long road. On the other hand, it does point to a state of mind that we need to consider in our reckoning... just part of the institutional yearning that is fundamental to Islam, to expand and dominate.

Keep in mind that Christian Churches are not allowed in substantial parts of Dar-al-Islam.

8/31/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Teresita wrote:

There's only the human race...


I'm inclined to agree with Teresita.

I highly recommend Nicholas Wade's Before the Dawn, a mesmerizing account of what has been learned (much of it very recently) about human evolution.

To me the most fascinating factoid to have come out is that all of us, of whatever "race," are descended from a band of about one hundred and fifty Adams and Eves that crossed the southern end of the Red Sea from the Horn of Africa and spead east across southern Arabia and toward India.


Jamie Irons

8/31/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Allen,
Good reference to the Lehman article,thx. He did miss mentioning Ms. Gorlick's Wall as a huge part of the problem. A wall that has still not come down.
You see, the FBI,etc have mortgages,children to raise,retirement in their eyes and they aren't gonna write memos about how thay can't operate.
Congressmen do the same thing..got a tough problem..assign a "Panel of Experts" to come up with a solution, and hey, "I didn't do it" is easy cover.
There is little doubt we are being outflanked on several sides at the moment with no Reagan in sight. Of course the "Boomers" would be hard pressed to develop a Teddy Roosevelt or RWR, Way too non-PC.
So we'll take our dirty bomb,mall pastings, etc. and then get serious about deportation and killing..one may not agree with vigilanteism but try to stop Mosque burnings if we're attacked here again. It won't be pretty, but it will be effective.
Just tell'in it like it is.

8/31/2006 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Other Wade numbers (IIRC), these 150 individuals crossed the Red Sea about 150,000 years ago, and led to the beginnings of civilization, marked by inter-clan cooperation, about 15,000 years ago. Easy set of numbers to recall, all sets of 15.

8/31/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

150, they must've all been breeding their first cousins. Sounds like Arkansas.

8/31/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Jamie,
In your last paragraph you seem to contradict your initial defense.

Are you saying in that last paragraph that different "races" did evolve?
And if they didn't then aren't we all just carbon floating in the cosmos to take it to it's full conclusion?

8/31/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

and how can DNA establish race if there are no differences.

sounds like philosophy not science.

8/31/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Buddy,

Even child molesters--victims of society. It's the philosophy of death, in that it goes nowhere that life can exist...

The amusing and perceptive Dr. Robert Godwin had a marvellous essay recently "demonstrating" (quotes used not in derision but because I think it's too strong a word, and I don't think he'd make the claim that he had demonstrated anything in the usual sense) that the Islamic fascists can usefully be compared to the "undead."

Excerpt:

Most soul murders are undoubtedly committed by those who are already so spiritually damaged as to be functionally dead. These undead souls such as a Nasrallah, an Arafat, or an Amahdinejad, speak to us from “the other side,” from the shadow world that is created when the soul has been so damaged that it essentially exits the body, leaving only a human animal in its place. But other demonic energies rush in to fill the void, so that the individual becomes a sort of “antihuman.” At their core, they are filled with unbearable envy toward the living, and the only way they can assuage this envy is to kill and kill plentifully. Life is a reminder of their own walking death, hence, “death to Israel,” that primordial symbol of life: l’chaim.

Jamie Irons

8/31/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

P-Tater has cousins in Arkansas, better be careful, they travel by night to mid Texas.

8/31/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

You deleted them Teresita:
Does that mean you renounce their message?

8/31/2006 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

habu,

And if they didn't then aren't we all just carbon floating in the cosmos to take it to it's full conclusion?

We are stardust,
We are golden--
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the gar-ar-den...

;-)

(I started out life as a molecular biologist...as my Bubba would have said, I know from DNA!)


Jamie Irons

I don't like to draw any paranoid conclusions from this irritating "Word Verification" exercise we're put through with each new post, but mine always seem to have a hidden message:

The latest is "heb g qv"...


;-)

Jamie Irons

8/31/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Jamie, the zombies foot-soldiers are all for suicide--but the vampires that send them out, seem to be less enthused about taking their own undeadness to the next level: dematerialization.

habu, I'll put out some possum food--that'll keep 'em happy. They grin best when dining on the "turd" so i'll have to get busy.

8/31/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

habu_3; 12:24 PM

re: A wall that has still not come down.

Ms. Gorlick's wall is yet another PC article of faith in the Clinton legacy. However, if any remnant of it remains at this late date, fault for default must be placed elsewhere.

Lehman could not begin to fully list all the problems faced by the country in an article of this length. I am willing to accept his non-listing of Gorlick in that light.

Your raising the issue of Ms. Gorlick does raise the question of how she found her way onto a committee that the administration knew would have to critically examine the policy she created. Essentially, how did a key witness come to be empowered as judge?

Lehman seems to take the long way to saying the administration is all too frequently asinine. In doing so, I did not detect ill will.

8/31/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

There is only one race...

I think that Wade's work is more about documenting the genetic differences between races than denying they exist.

See Steve Sailer (unfortunately most of his links are old and obtainable only from the NYT archives for a fee).

See also the article I Am a Racially Profiling Doctor.

With no evidence to support my belief one way or the other, doesn't it just seem too much of a reach to accept that 150 individuals are the progenitors of the human race? Or that a group of only 150 individuals could even survive death/birth rates? The European settlers at Jamestown coudn't.

8/31/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Lehmann himself was a memeber of the 911 committee, you do recall, Allen. By all appearances the cmtee was staffed the same way a congressional committee is staffed, so many from column A (your pick), so many from column B (my pick).

8/31/2006 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger luc said...

Habu_3 said... 8/31/2006 11:14:27 AM

“Buddy, Make mine Jonathan Winters and Beethoven.”

Beethoven is Beethoven and no further comment is necessary. But I thought that Jonathan Winters was just a run of the mill comedian till I heard him explain that people would like garbage if it was pronounced properly; the he proceeded to pronounce it a if it was French word: sounded something like GARBAAAJJ.
Habu, if you have some spare room I would like to be considered..

BTW why do I think that Jonathan Winters’ explanation applies to the Left’s preferences? ;)

8/31/2006 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen; 1:03 PM

re: Ms. Gorlick

If the administration was too weak to keep such a one off the committee, that goes far to explaining other things as well.

With respect, the sworn testimony of Gorlick was essential to comprehending the intelligence lapses leading to 911. That she was given judicial immunity, in effect, may say more than we care to know.

8/31/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

well, as far as that goes, Allen, tjhe long term of George tenet is equally inexplicable. I saw the whole complex as an administration unwilling to go the mat for small potatoes--in view of all that was in play, then. including a hail mary on SocSec.

"mistakes were made" I'm pretty sure, in hindsight.

8/31/2006 01:20:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

peterboston; 1:02 PM

re: 150?

Studies indicate that Jews stem from 4 females, i.e. every maternally derived Jew will carry the mitacondrial DNA of one of these females. However, that does not mean the four donors were co-existent; rather, these four lines have survived. It is probable that each donor was separated one from the other by long periods of time.

Like you, I would like to have that 150 better defined.

8/31/2006 01:22:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Müller, Myths W. Max Müller, Egyptian, The Mythology of All Races, XII, Boston (1918).

Since Mrs. Glasheen's use of Vol. V in this series, Semitic in AWN, no.15 (August 1963). 3,
it has generally been acknowledged that Joyce made use of
The Mythology of All Races.

8/31/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

allen

The only thing that makes sense is that the DNA from 150 individuals survived the lucky sperm contest. I suppose the total sample size could have been anything.

8/31/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

PB, Allen, "150" is the "Dunbar Number".

8/31/2006 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

I think we all agree that Gorelick should:
1. not been on the committee
2. should have been called as a witness.
3. she confirmed by omission of obvious questions lies told by some witnesses
4. The Committee did a horrible job.

8/31/2006 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

allen said...
In the words of the great Jewish sage, Paul Simon, "A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."
******* UPDATED *******
The Dems smear who they want to smear and diatribe the West.

8/31/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Advice needed:

I listen to books on tape.

I've seen one entitled something like "How the Irish saved Civilization"

anybody? yeah/ney??

8/31/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

"The Dems smear who they want to smear and diatribe the West"

that's *perfect*. there oughtta be a name for those things.

8/31/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Rem870 said...

From Fox News, Not enough female SCOTUS clerks

8/31/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Rem870 said...

Maybe we can photo-shop some boobs on a couple of 'em?

8/31/2006 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Couric's people could help wit dat--

8/31/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy (1:26) DUNBAR NUMBER...

Riveting article. Depressed me a little. I think my Neocortex Size isn't sufficient to handle traffic in Florida, or more than a ménage à trois. Should I give up driving, or relax and let Her-tz put me in the drivers seat?
Best number for a group to turn a horse into a camel...7

8/31/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The most ancient ancestor of the pyramid, for example, was a mound of sand, a tumulus (DRT, p. 62).

The phrase "Tal the tem of the tumulum" (56.34) contains the tale of TM, the old god who, in FW is a type of HCE; here he falls into a tomb, a tumulus.

the word"tumulum" contains a clear reference to the primal mud-heap upon which TM as the creator-god, after masturbating into his mouth, spat out the first beings.

Thus, the "tumulum" is both the mound of creation, and the tumulus tomb of burial.
The two meanings are inclusive and simultaneous: the waked dead in the mound carrying the potential of new, first life.1

From the tumulus evolved the oblong brick mastaba-tomb. We have seen that Tim Finnegan, as an unorthodox,
"Lord of the ladder" fell into such a tomb at 6.09:
"Dimb!
He stottered from the latter.
Damb! he was dud.
Dumb!
Mastabatoom, mastabadtomm."


This fall is not final, for, as we shall see later, it contains Bataou, a title of Osiris as the "soul of the bread", which carries the image of the "germinating" god (see "Grain Osiris", below).

The characteristic hiss of villainous Set serves to link a mastaba-tomb to the myth of Osiris at 493.23; "massstab" contains a serpent's "sss", a mastaba and also a conspirators' "mass-stab" which places the Egyptian god-king in that line of betrayed leaders which includes Caesar. As we have seen, however, Osiris is never down for long.
This reference to a mastaba and murdered leader is followed by the cry
"Irise, Osirises!
Be thy mouth given unto thee!"

8/31/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

That DunBar Number deal...I think I say that last graph at a truck stop on 301, neat Starke, FL.

8/31/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Al Her-tz is #1

8/31/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Doud
down South they'd say you'd betta wash yo mouth out wit soap.

8/31/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen; 1:44 PM

re: that's *perfect*. there oughtta be a name for those things.

Bumper stickers

Not content to luxuriate in the lap of luxury, habu has opened up a whole new avenue for investment. Is America a great country, or what?

My sincere apology to Ms. Gorelick for having serially misspelled her name. That could also explain why the subpoena went undelivered.

8/31/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

that would be Doug


you may next call me hagis

8/31/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

doug; 1:56PM

Doug, in the words of Larry the Cable Guy, I think, "That shit's wrong!"

8/31/2006 02:05:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

Here’s a short video with commentary on the Lebanon photo fraud via aish.com
Probably all here know this but you can email to others who might not be so informed.

8/31/2006 02:06:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

"Where be his quiddities now, his quillets, his cases, his tenures" says Hamlet referring to a lawyer's quiddities.

In philosophy, quiddity is identity or "whatness", i.e., something's "what it is".

In Detroit it's "what it be"

8/31/2006 02:08:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Allen on Doug's (1:56)

Jeez Allen I'm glad somebody followed all that.

I got lost. Must be my Neocortex size..although i thought evrything , be it neo or cor was bigger in TEX.
(that is so lame why did I post it..to increase my Dunbar number!)

8/31/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

Shorthanded fighting the insurgents as we make Iraq into a copy of New Hampshire? Throw some SEALs in there. We're done cutting fat, we're cutting into muscle now.

8/31/2006 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Words to live by:

Stereotyping is leading to terror, says first Muslim Miss England

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages/live/articles/news/news.
html?in_article_id=403010&in_
page_
id=1770

8/31/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Bobal:
The ancient Egyptians believed, as we have seen, in the efficacy of the written word, and in the great magic of a name or text.
And like Shakespeare, the Egyptian scribe seems not to have been able to avoid a pun.
This approach to language certainly must have appealed to an artist such as Joyce, totally dedicated to his art.

---
Joyce seems to have followed the example of the ancient Egyptians in formulating a sort of animal or "zoo" code ("Zoo koud" 244.17) in which ideas may be expressed through their relationship to the basic physical movements of animals.

This involves an etymological punning that may, in the case of the Egyptians, have arisen through the pictorial nature of hieroglyphic writing.

There is, for example, the figure of a hare (un or unn) in a name of Osiris, Unnefer.
Later scribes reasoned that there must be an etymological (rather than phonetic) reason for the hare:
he must be there because Osiris, like a hare, "sprang up" after his death.
In a similar fashion, grasshoppers or pheasants could also be seen as expressing an action of religious significance

8/31/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy BTW if you feed the cousins that manure it better be primo cause I've been fatt'n 'em up on it for years.

8/31/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

02:08:04 PM
Or the definitive:
"What is?"

8/31/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

When next you ponder the question of why they multiply faster than we can kill them, consider this:

NATO preps for Afghan offensive
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/
cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/
Article_Type1&c=Article&
pubid=968163964505&cid=
1157017625968&col=96870589
9037&call_page=TS_News&call_
pageid=968332188492&call_
pagepath=News/News

The operative paragraphs follow:

"NATO commanders are warning Afghans to clear out of an area near Kandahar that has become a Taliban stronghold and a thorn in the side of Canadian troops."

[...]

"Williams said NATO troops are waiting for the best time to attack Taliban forces and cause the least possible disruption to farmers remaining in the area."

[...]

8/31/2006 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Ain't nobody been born yet that can outrun a Chain Reaction.
---
---
What's Happenin?

8/31/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

USA once again allowing the UN and Islam to rope-a-dope it.

Pleeese, lets just slam 'em.

8/31/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

allen

That's what happens when you are not allowed to play dodge ball as a kid.

8/31/2006 02:43:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Oh, it's rich and deep hereabouts, habu--the livestocks eats when we peeples don't.

Look, the 's' in the serpent's sound, is kin to germanic 'essen', or food, or the giver-of-life. The 's' symbol turned on its side is the 'infinity' symbol (everlife). Control the power of the 's' symbol by drawing two straight lines through it (one to go in, the other to come out) and you have the '$' symbol (only one line thru the 's' in the devilish tech world). The two straight parallels look like railroad tracks, Rail Road=RR+ Ronald Reagan, the modern prophet of doom-by-bureaucracy. The title of wretchard's post is i believe a line from Isaiah (I, say-er), the bearer of the message that atonement is G-dly--and Required.

hey, this stuff can drive ya nertz.

8/31/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

From the editors panel at National Review on-line discussing whether Khatami should be giving a visa:
Amir Taheri said:
There is no harm in letting Khatami come to Washington to be exposed to pubic scrutiny.

This may well provide an opportunity for the U.S. media to ask Khatami about the atrocities committed by his administration, including the assassination of dissidents, the arrest and torture of thousands of people, including trade unionists and student leaders, the closing of over 150 newspapers and magazines, the banning of hundreds of books and dozens of films, the arming of the Hezbollah in Lebanon, shipping weapons to Yasser Arafat’s terror units and Islamic Jihad, and providing the Jaish al-Mahdi in Iraq with money and arms.

Let us not forget that it was during Khatami's administration that the Islamic Republic speeded up its nuclear program to acquire the so-called “surge capacity” needed for manufacturing atomic warheads.

Khatami would also have to explain whether or not he still regards Hassan Nasrallah, leader of he Lebanese branch of Hezbollah, as “The Sun of Islam shining over the world,” as he put it in a message on July 15.

What is important is to make sure that the U.S. media have the courage to raise those questions.


Will they do this? Will the media have the courage to raise these question? Taheri continues:

It seems that some American political figures, including former
President Jimmy Carter, are queuing up to meet Khatami. That is no bad thing, either. All politics is about choice. By begging to meet the head of one of the most repressive regimes in the world, Carter would simply show whose side he is on. Having refused to meet Iranian dissidents, and rejected repeated calls for statements in support of Iranian trade unionists, student leaders, persecuted minorities, and political prisoners, Carter is precisely the person who should hang around with people like Khatami.


You go Amir! And SHAME on the State Department and the APOSTATE EPISCOPAL CHURCH for providing the “ecumenical forum” of the National Cathedral.

8/31/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

01:31:41 PM
Ok Habu, I give up:
How DID the Trish save Civilization?

8/31/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Blogger Dave H said...

This seems apropos, but I have not read the thread it may be old news. Someone has got a film ready for release, I thought I heard Canada. The subject "A Study of the Assassination of George W Bush", it is future dated I think Nov 07 or some such. Seems like wishful thinking on the part of left wingnuts, but fits in to the cave drawing bit.

8/31/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

Here's a little tidbit to make Teresita throw her shoulders back and her chin up:

From the New York Daily News:
“A gang of petite but ornery lesbians pummeled and stabbed a DVD bootlegger in the West Village early yesterday after he tried to pick up one of the women — and then spat on her when she rebuffed his advances, police and witnesses said.”

ht Jay Nordlinger, NRO

8/31/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

"$" of course = "future food".

there's more--there's stuff i only know when i start typing it. heh heh. (help)

8/31/2006 02:52:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy,
You failed to mention the other S.
***************

The Split S (also called a reversed Immelmann turn or spelled with a hyphen as "Split-S") is one of the oldest air combat maneuvers, but is still considered useful, mostly to disengage from combat. To execute a Split S, the pilot rolls his aircraft inverted and then executes a half-loop, thus ending flying level in the opposite direction

8/31/2006 02:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

dave,
Search up for "Successful Hunt"

8/31/2006 02:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

02:52:41 PM
"thus ending flying level in the opposite direction "
---
That is unless the pilot misreads the altimeter prior to the manuver.

8/31/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Man o live, did that Amir Taheri post hit the spot!

8/31/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

peterboston; 02:43:55 PM

re: That's what happens when you are not allowed to play dodge ball as a kid.

Is it possible, you think, to have a societal Dunbar Number of, oh say, 10? I bet Colonel Williams' troops think so.

8/31/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

habu--right--another life-saver 's'. But ya get outta the invert with a half-roll. Pay attention to yore detailia, suh!

8/31/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

"I'll take "Esoteric Egyptian Palaver" for $500"

In what ancient Egyptian city did the Library at Alexandria burn down?

Turd Ferguson rings in first...
Ah .. "Smokey and the Bandit"

No, I'm afraid that's wrong ....

8/31/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

But Mizta Buddy suh, it do say invert, i thinks dats what it be say'in..double read'n i should, but check me outs.

8/31/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

CAUTION:
do not try this at home.

When doing air acrobatics remember..nothing is as useless as the sky above you.

8/31/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

well, upon further non-thought, they be de "outside" and de "inside" loop. If you invert first, then it IS a half loop. if you pull up and over first, then you get the ground back under your feet with a half-roll. I could be rong of coarse.

8/31/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Did I read somewhere that Dr. Dunbar's Dunbar is 3,000,000? Something about that whole cortex thing, I think (Note: Check that out). Someone should ask his proctologist, to be sure.

8/31/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

From the BBC:
UN denounces Israel cluster bombs
The UN's humanitarian chief has accused Israel of "completely immoral" use of cluster bombs in Lebanon.

UN clearance experts had so far found 100,000 unexploded cluster bomblets at 359 separate sites, Jan Egeland said.
Israel has repeated its previous insistence that munitions it uses in conflict comply with international law.


100,000 bomblets? So far? How many bomblets are in a bomb? How many bombs can Israeli fighter jets deliver? How many sorties would be required if every single bomb and bomblet failed to explode?

This story is begging to be exposed.

8/31/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Navy pilots say the three best treats in the world, a great orgasm, a great bowel movement, and a great landing, are enjoyed simultaneously in a successful night carrier landing.

8/31/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger Rem870 said...

PC as it relates to the Split-S:

Charlie: Aircraft one performs a split S? That's the last thing you should do. The MiG's right on your tail. Freeze there. The MiG has you in his gunsight. What were you thinking?

Maverick: You don't have time to think up there. If you think, you're dead.

Charlie: That's a big gamble with a $30 million plane. Unfortunately, it worked. The MiG never got a clean shot. Maverick makes an aggressive vertical move and defeats him with a missile. The encounter was a victory, but we show it as an example of what not to do.


Even when you're right, you're wrong.

8/31/2006 03:12:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy
be'in way too old to be a Naval Aviator all I can say is the second item you mentioned is my first.
how proudly we sometimes stare.

8/31/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

REM870....Mave later showed her the meaning of a real split S.

8/31/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

Jan Egeland screwed up the story. He got $100,000 for the "completely immoral" quote. According to the UN the only moral thing that Israel could have done was die quietly.

He never played dodge ball either.

8/31/2006 03:25:00 PM  
Blogger Rem870 said...

Hey Habu, let's hope he got that maneuver right.

8/31/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

From the Federation of American Scientists: CBU-87/B Combined Effects Munitions (CEM)
BLU-97/B Combined Effects Bomb (CEB)

The CBU-87 is a 1,000-pound, Combined Effects Munition (CEM) for attacking soft target areas with detonating bomblets. The CBU-87 CEM, an all-purpose, air-delivered cluster weapons system, consists of a SW-65 Tactical Munitions Dispenser (TMD) with an optional FZU-39 proximity sensor. The BLU-97/B Combined Effects Bomb (CEB), effective against armor, personnel and material, contains a shaped charge, scored steel casing and zirconium ring for anti-armor, fragmentation and incendiary capability. The bomblet case is made of scored steel designed to break into approximately 300 preformed ingrain fragments for defeating light armor and personnel. A total of 202 of these bomblets are loaded in each dispenser enabling a single payload attack against a variety and wide area coverage. The footprint for the CBU-87 is approximatel 200 meters by 400 meters. The body of the submunition is cylindrical in shape, approximately 20 centimeters long, and has a 6 centimeter diameter. It is bright yellow when new.
During Desert Storm the US Air Force dropped 10,035 CBU-87s. During Allied Force the US dropped about 1,100 cluster bombs, and most of these were CBU-87s. The dud rate for a standard cluster was approximately five percent.


So 202 bomblets per bomb and a 5% dud rate. 100,000 bomblets found.

Correct if I'm wrong but my calcs tell me the Israeli's would have to 9900+ CBU-87s.

Does anyone else think this is fishy?

8/31/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

whit said;

Here's a little tidbit to make Teresita throw her shoulders back and her chin up

Gosh, I wish I had the balls to post that kind of off-topic crap on Wretchard's blog.

8/31/2006 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

...Israelis would have had to have dropped 9900+ CBU-87s.

How many CBU-87s can a F16 deliver?

8/31/2006 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

16,000 total sorties, I believe I read, Whit. Dunno the weapons breakdown, probably classified. But it's unlikely that a specialty weapon would've been used on ten out of every sixteen missions.

8/31/2006 03:36:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Way, way OT (or maybe not):

I think somebody up the thread pointed me to this site, to a different joke (of which there is a Jewish version, by the way, that is funnier):

The Pope took a couple of days off to visit the mountains of Alaska for some sight-seeing. He was cruising along the campground in the Pope mobile when there was a frantic commotion just at the edge of the woods. A helpless Democrat, wearing sandals, shorts, a "Save the Whales" hat and a "To Hell with Bush" T-shirt, was screaming while struggling frantically, thrashing around trying to free himself from the grasp of a 10 foot grizzly.

As the Pope watched horrified, a group of Republican loggers came racing up. One quickly fired a 44 magnum into the bear's chest... The other two reached up and pulled the bleeding, semiconscious Democrat from the bear's grasp. Then using long clubs, the three loggers finished off the bear and two of them threw it onto the bed of their truck while the other tenderly placed the injured Democrat in the back seat.

As they prepared to leave, the Pope summoned them to come over. "I give you my blessing for your brave actions!" he told them. "I heard there was a bitter hatred between Republican loggers and Democratic Environmental activists but now I've seen with my own eyes that this is not true."

As the Pope drove off, one of the loggers asked his buddies "Who was that guy?"

"It was the Pope," another replied. "He's in direct contact with heaven and has access to all wisdom."

"Well," the logger said, "he may have access to all wisdom but he sure doesn't know shit about bear hunting! By the way, is the bait holding up, or do we need to go back to Massachusetts and snatch another one?


;-)

I think this is a good one for P-Tater...

Jamie Irons

8/31/2006 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Maybe in 50,0000 years, assuming the earth has had a catastrophe and the survivors have had to start over again, having lost all earlier knowledge, some digger will come across my old combine that failed this year, and will still be sitting where it failed. I wonder what they would make of it. Maybe an ancient flying machine, has that header and reels that could be taken for some sort of air propulsion system, msybe an ancient torture device(that would be close to the truth), or maybe an ancient device to make sacrifice to the gods. Maybe an ancient sausuage grinder...

8/31/2006 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

jamie,
back to mass. for the corpulent teddy k.

excellent

8/31/2006 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

8/31/2006 03:48:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"...a report released Wednesday by the United Nations Mine Action Coordination Center, which has personnel in Lebanon searching for unexploded ordnance, said it had found unexploded bomblets, including hundreds of American types, in 249 locations south of the Litani River.

The report said American munitions found included 559 M-42’s, an anti-personnel bomblet used in 105-millimeter artillery shells; 663 M-77’s, a submunition found in M-26 rockets; and 5 BLU-63’s, a bomblet found in the CBU-26 cluster bomb. Also found were 608 M-85’s, an Israeli-made submunition.

The unexploded submunitions being found in Lebanon are probably only a fraction of the total number dropped. Cluster munitions can contain dozens or even hundreds of submunitions designed to explode as they scatter around a wide area. They are very effective against rocket-launcher units or ground troops. ..."


The UN team has had the 249 sites qouted often. The bomblets were not all delivered by aircraft, so the sortie number is not applicable.
Did not find many references to 100,000 units found, though.

All the reports started with the same UN Team.
via a "Progressive News Center" that rips off NYTimes articles in full.

Google search for more of the same, but most without a description of the number of pieces found or their weapons of origin.

8/31/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

Wouldn't cluster munitions be the ideal defensive weapon against mobile rocket launchers and crews? Even if the incoming katy was tracked to its origination point a few seconds after clearing the horizon that would still have left time for the crew to move away. The cluster munition has a far greater chance of putting that crew in the killing radius than an HE round. Dead crews do not fire again. This is good.

8/31/2006 04:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

No PB, you must destroy the equipment, not the meat.
Teresita told me so.

8/31/2006 04:12:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

This is quite good.

Habu,

What do you think?


Jamie Irons

8/31/2006 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Quite true, PB, but because of their effectiveness these cluster muntions have quite stringent RoE's. The Israel have violated those Rules in the past, 1982, and may have again.

You know how the US is about RoE's
Gotta learn to live with 'em though, or so I've been told, here.

8/31/2006 04:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

De outside loop is de worst:
Down Stick All the way down and around.
You can always pull out,
then you have no more worries.
Ever.

8/31/2006 04:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Is Terorrita in Charge of Writing up Them ROE's?

8/31/2006 04:15:00 PM  
Blogger charlotte said...

Whit, re your funny off-topic: A gang of petite but ornery lesbians pummeled and stabbed a DVD bootlegger in the West Village early yesterday...

Just a month ago, a gang of gay black men started a fight in a West Village little square where I was sitting during a visit, and this white middle-aged "breeder" talked them out of the skirmish. It was funny how they then started to swear fealty to manners and moms everywhere- the cursing was still colorful, but sweetly intended, and they all felt better for a while. I heard them at it again the next day, though.

Also, I agree with your concern regarding Khatami's visit. How can it not be a big mistake to let him in, especially when we had grounds not to? Khatami will present an eminently "reasonable" can't-we-all-get-along and why-are-you-bullying-us face of theocratic imperialistic Iran for the clueless War-Is-Not-the-Answer-for-us-but-for-others-it's-understandable, morally equivalizing and equivocating Christian and Jewish congregations of America.

The media won't fall for it, however; by and large, they know it's a ruse but one they can live with and promote. Khatami soft interviews will book-end Mike Wallace's almost erotic homage to "attractive", "smart" Ahmedinejad. Our house will be more divided than ever this fall before the Bush administration directly takes on the nuclearizing regime, if it tries at all. I've been wondering for a while whether the Arabist/internationalist/anti-Bushist State Department will turn its leader Condi, as it seems to have done Powell. Hope she's gaming her bureaucrats and unfriendly foreign interests, ultimately.

8/31/2006 04:19:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

She never did say what type of Federal she had been. Just that she had been a Federal, who, like habu, went with the flow rather than make to many waves.

That is how it seems to be, with civilian Federals, they moan about the incompetence, then want an expanded mission for those they left behind.

habu was even mentioning that some "ruthless men" may have been operating to cover Mr Clinton's misdeeds. Deaths that were statisticly beyond the norm.
Death squads in America, some seem to think we need more of 'em.
Who decides on those qualities needed to be "Enemies of the State".
If not those that control the State

8/31/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Blogger PossumTater said...

Doug..
the IRISH, the IRISH ..ya autta know i kin git in trouble all by my ownself

8/31/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger PossumTater said...

rem870

sum times dat manuever can get all screwed up and ya can end up in da sh*t..or all bogg'n doun. dat why ya's got ta jez keep practic'n.

8/31/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I forgot about you being a Tater.

8/31/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger PossumTater said...

bobalharb,
dat ol combine be ship offta san fran n used by sum north beach dominatrix. i jus hurd dat stuff frum a cousin in Ta-hoe

8/31/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Man, I just checked out de Prices
in Ta-hoe:
I couldn't even afford a Condom, much less a House.
---
A "Ski Condom," or some such?

8/31/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

God, no, p-tater,the old baby has worked,all her life, she is dignified, and needs her rest, and her rust, and she has a right to her quiet space.

I will booby trap her, and mine the entrance ways forthwith.

8/31/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Do they have those Ski Retorts up there in Ida-hoe bobal?

8/31/2006 04:48:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Catherine,
The 'Tell' about Condi's State Dept was right at the beginning:
She left in Mr. Burns as Number 2.

8/31/2006 04:53:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Doug--answer is yes, as you well know, but I would not recommend Sun Valley, unless you want to pay a big fee for the priviledge of bumping up against reallly rich, asinine assholes. Sun Valley used to be wonderful, 35 40 years ago. It's just a bunch of crap now, ruined, like so many other places. It's sad, really.

8/31/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger PossumTater said...

jamie 4:13

I think the author of that article is completely in accord with what happens to humans experiencing what we are now.
We have shown unbelieveable retraint, allowing, as I said earlier, to be rope-a-doped by the UN,Iran and the Islams.
Playtime will soon be over and it will be a tragedy that I believe can not be avoided because of the Qu'ran. I think it's an exquisite piece of writing and of human understanding.

8/31/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Habu: 'Rat don't think we Retraint them Iraqis Right.

8/31/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

It's ruined like so much of Hawaii has been ruined.

If I was a better mechanic, and had a larger shop, I would build a rocket, and leave.

8/31/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I'd build a bigger, better rocket, stay here, and send THEM!

8/31/2006 05:04:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Would have to be one big rocket, to carry all those cockroaches--they are everywhere.

8/31/2006 05:07:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Doug,
Go skiing at Big Mountain ,MT. It's near Whitefish, which is near Glacier. Great runs, reasonable, not overly crowded although Skiing Mag two years ago put it in the top ten.
There are special tubes for those who tube it.
Anyway look into it it might work for you.

8/31/2006 05:07:00 PM  
Blogger Gerry said...

Habu, Doug,

As to "How the Irish Saved Civilization," it is excellent. (But might be upsetting if you don't like the Irish.)

8/31/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Doug,
Wrong or right we're in for a fight

8/31/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

Catherine:

Re: the mean streets of the city; it's a cruel world.

Re: Condi and State.

I agree with Doug.

8/31/2006 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Congratulations Belmonteers!

Some eight hours ago, I took the liberty of referring to Mr. Powell as a "poster boy". To your credit, no one (including ash!!!) called me on it.

Now, was the reluctance the result of Belmont site PC or because simple English can be used here without giving offense? Hmm???

8/31/2006 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Big Mountain is good, we are not supposed to let that out, tho.

8/31/2006 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Mr. Popal missed his court appearance today.
He was busy at the Mind-Doctor's Place.
Maybe Dr. Jamie can consult w/dat Doctor and write another one of those "accidental" Prescriptions.
Or, maybe just write in Pig Latin,
and leave the rest to chance.
Dominatrix Vobiscuit.

8/31/2006 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

here's a handy little sight saver for the senior citizens in the BC.

when you get to putt'n in the jumble of letters for confirmation just type in a letter, any letter, hit enter...usually the second set of letters is readable.

8/31/2006 05:11:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

He is a great Patriot and American Hero, Allen, watch your mouth!
Like Murtha.

8/31/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

it's especially useful when you get

vvvwvwwwvtIlvvvv

8/31/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

bobalharb

oops I mean't Taos NM

8/31/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I just copy and paste the first word in my post.
I can't this time since I don't work.
The challenge is starting every post with a 6-letter word.
Like letter.

8/31/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

gerry,
being a friend of the Irish and one who has leaned over backwards to kiss the Blarney Stone I'll get it now....just nneded a wee push..thx

8/31/2006 05:18:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"v""v""v""v"
or
vwvw?

8/31/2006 05:18:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

Had a long drive today and it led to me me thinking...

How long do you think it will be before the 9/11/01 terrorists morph into the "correct" mix of blue-eyed blondes, balding WASPS, crew-cut embittered ex-military killers, and bikini-clad recipiants of surgical certain enhancements?

Meanwhile, the airline crews will become black or Arab and probably female as well, and the hapless victim passengers will transform into illegal Hispanic immigrants on their way to California to work the fields.

After all, that is how Hollywood would have written it...

And if that sounds far-fetched, one film already replaced the Arab terrorists of the book version with white males. And another film has the Arab passengers as the good guys, who defeat an evil, White airline crew. We are on the way....

8/31/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Gerry does it one soul at a time.

8/31/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

RWE,
They just sneak a uniform onboard, the guy puts it on in the head, then
"Can't Get Back in the Cockpit"

8/31/2006 05:23:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Yes I have heard too, and been there myself checking it out, that Taos, New Mexico is the new skiiers haven. And there is a place west of Vegas, Death Valley I thinks it's called, is the new 'in' spot for skiing. I have even heard they are working to get the Winter Olympics there. no bs.

8/31/2006 05:26:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

It would be interesting to hear from a credentialed anthropologist or biologist for a discusson of what "race" is supposed to mean. The term "species" is meant to distinguish lines that CAN NOT INTERBREED TO PRODUCE FERTILE OFFSPRING.

For instance, you can breed a donkey and a horse, and that produces what we call a "mule", which may be male or female (I think) but is characteristically sterile. I understand that the term "mule" can then be used to refer to any sterile hybrid of two different species. You see this in plants, where a twig from an orange tree can be grafted onto a Lemon tree branch. I think you can actually graft much less closely related species. Sometimes you can cross-pollenate and get new lines that will propagate.

On the other hand, a lot of plants can be propagated by sticking a twig in good soil that is well-watered and drains.

I'm not aware of any instances in which human hybrids have been propagated so.

So, as I've read in places, the concept of "race" is an artificiality. ALL RACES — i.e, all humans (well, except for LLL's which are generated by the action of sunlight on stagnant water) can interbreed to produce fertile offspring. Kinda like doggies that way. You can breed a Chihuahua with a Great Dane, or a Shar-pei with an Anatolian sheep dog, or a Cairn Terrier with a King Charles Spaniel.

Animal breeders have recognized for centuries several fundamentals of genetics: (1) prolonged interbreeding based on selection for arbitrarily selected characters tends to concentrate and exaggerate problematic and sometimes lethal genes; (2) mixing specialized breeds usually produces hybrids that are more robust than their parents — i.e., the lethal alleles get diluted, sometimes to the point of nullity after just a few generations.

For my part, I don’t have any problem with inter-racial dating or marriage. Even inter-species dating has its defenders... (Hey! I’m a scotsman. I get aroused at a whiff of lanolin...)

I draw the line at carbon dating.

8/31/2006 05:33:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

doug; 05:13:00 PM

re: Like Murtha.

Although the traitor Benedict Arnold has no statue, his patriotic leg does.

8/31/2006 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger Db2m said...

Teresita said,

"I can't control what textbook makers do, but if I personally am 'colorblind' then images of people cannot influence me one way or the other, whether they are all white or an artificial balance of types. There isn't any such thing as race, and there never was. There's only the human race. Everyone is various gorgeous shades of brown, and the degree of variation is smaller than most people realize."

According to Teresita, I guess, there are no breeds. No german shepherds, no boston terriers, no beagles, no irish setters, no labrador retrievers, no boxers. Only dogs. Furry, 4-legged, shades of glorious brown.

Welcome clubbers, to Teresita's brave new world.

Rufus, Habu, 1734th, Papa, Boston, Aristy, Dug, Dr, Wretch, Bobal, Buddy, Fiddler, Hunter, Tater, ADE, y'all buyin' Terri's animalwash?

8/31/2006 05:49:00 PM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

The mad fiddler wrote:

So, as I've read in places, the concept of "race" is an artificiality. ALL RACES — i.e, all humans (well, except for LLL's which are generated by the action of sunlight on stagnant water) can interbreed to produce fertile offspring.

And with the advent of air travel and globalization, in about two or three hundred years there won't be races as we know them today. Everyone will be brown-skinned, black-haired, dark-eyed hotties. Bollywood, not Hollywood, will portray the ideal of beauty.

8/31/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

Habu_3: "The Dems smear who they want to smear and diatribe the West"

b. larsen: that's *perfect*. there oughtta be a name for those things.


"neo-aphorism"

"neologism"

Since Habu is staying up late, furiously pecking with his fingers at his keyboard, immersed in a "digital" medium (I need a large myself) you might call it:

digitigrade wittipathology

8/31/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

mad fiddler

i tried some experimenting in polynesian cross breeding but her dad came home early from the Don Ho show and I was outa thair

8/31/2006 05:54:00 PM  
Blogger Db2m said...

Welcome to Terri's Brave New World, where, "Entities can't jump."

Thinking to be so cool, intellectual, sophisticated and suave...baloney.

8/31/2006 05:57:00 PM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

db2m said:

According to Teresita, I guess, there are no breeds. No german shepherds, no boston terriers, no beagles, no irish setters, no labrador retrievers, no boxers. Only dogs. Furry, 4-legged, shades of glorious brown.

Very nice bit of grandstanding. How about some expert opinion on the matter from the American Anthropological Association?

"Race" thus evolved as a worldview, a body of prejudgments that distorts our ideas about human differences and group behavior. Racial beliefs constitute myths about the diversity in the human species and about the abilities and behavior of people homogenized into "racial" categories. The myths fused behavior and physical features together in the public mind, impeding our comprehension of both biological variations and cultural behavior, implying that both are genetically determined.

8/31/2006 05:58:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

mad fiddler,
funny you should mention it.

I just read a report on female bloggers that said that 25% could type and the other 75% were hunt'in peckers.

8/31/2006 06:00:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Re that "hybrid vigor" phenom that you mention, fiddler: two different purbreds produce what they call an "F1" or "F1 Cross". F1s are generally more robust, prolific, healthier, smarter, and energetic than either parent's breeds usual characteristics. USA is full of F1s and their descendants.

Mules, a male, called a 'horse mule', or a 'jack', will breed like crazy, but is sterile, so is invariably gelded for handling ease (poor bastids). A female, called a 'mare mule' or a 'jenny', can be bred back to a horse and will produce a foal. This can cross up lines pretty quickly so people look at the tail to see how much horse or donkey is in a mule (sans breeding records). Donkeys have a long hairless tail with a fluff at the end. Mules are horse-tailed.

I know--boring the knots off a pine board, ain't I?

8/31/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Teresita.
I didn't finish it after I notice it was dated 1998, however, how can they tell what "race" a person is by DNA if we're all one?

Someone else might have to ask this cause she usually skips my hunt'n pecker.

8/31/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

A big jack and a good mare can breed a heck of a mule. Those that like 'em swear by 'em.
Harder to deal with than a horse, smarter or dumber, depending on the perspective.
So popular were mules in Spain, at one time, they were outlawed. The Government decided that the horse herds were a strategic asset, mules did not expand the breeding herd.
They were childless dead ends, good only for the current capacity.
Considered Genetic waste that could not help create a greater tomorrow.

Breeds, though, are not the same as Races. With terasita's argument that all people will be "brown" in a few hundred years, the gene for greys is dominant in horses. They all should be greys, but they are not.
Just goes to show.

8/31/2006 06:06:00 PM  

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