Old lamps for new
Greg Jaffe's article in the Wall Street Journal, "The Fight for Iraq:A General's New Plan To Battle Radical Islam" is fascinating on two levels. On the internal level, it describes the politico/military strategy which Gen. Abizaid has pursued not simply in Iraq, but over the whole of CENTCOM. It begins by describing Seabees constructing a school as a way of introducing these paragraph:
In an interview in Iraq later, he was even blunter about the limits of U.S. firepower. "Military power can gain us time...but that is about it," he said.
It's a striking comment from one of the country's most influential generals, whose views are increasingly being echoed by President Bush. As head of the U.S. Central Command, Gen. Abizaid oversees the U.S. military effort in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the Horn of Africa, Central Asia and the Mideast. ...
But his view of the region is increasingly shaped by the inability of all that firepower to prevail against a violent strain of Islam seeking to expand its foothold. "The best way to contain al Qaeda is to increase the capacity of the regional powers to deal with it themselves," he says.
Gen. Abizaid's approach is part of a broader rethinking within the Bush administration of how best to fight terrorism, driven in part by the failures of the past five years. One of its tenets is that change must take place gradually and be led by locals. The U.S. can provide help training and equipping indigenous counterterrorism forces to break up al Qaeda cells, Gen. Abizaid says. But bigger changes that address the root causes of terrorism in the region must take place over years, if not decades.
Those paragraphs provide a stepping-stone to climb out of the article to view it from a second level: the role of the US military within a national strategic outlook. The WSJ description of Abizaid's strategy encapsulates all that is potentially revolutionary, controversial and misunderstood about the War on Terror. When President Bush declared his goal was to "bring democracy to the Middle East" it was immediately derided by those who believed democracy could never come to the region; and if it did would come only in the form of Islamism. Others argued that America already had a politco/military fighting team in the State Department and Department of Defense. Why should there be need of another?. But the WSJ article clearly describes a subtly different thing: politico/military warfare primarily executed by the military personnel at the level of communities, tribes and sects. It is integrated warfare many levels down from the sphere inhabited by diplomats. And if the WSJ speaks admiringly of it; it is nevertheless a method without a national strategy.
The genuine tone of amazement in the WSJ is a reminder of how poorly understood the military role of the War on Terror has been, especially in Iraq. As a military enterprise, one the Belmont commenters pointed out, the War on Terror would rank only a little higher than the War of 1812. A Washington Post article cited in the same post noted that military death rates in Iraq are actually lower than those of black males in Philadelphia. The Associated Press noted that there were actually fewer airstrikes in support of coalition activity Iraq than in Afghanistan. Any comparison in bomb tonnage, artillery rounds expended, and bullets fired to previous wars would tell the same tale. Strictly in shooting terms the War on Terror is minor league. In fact much of the criticism directed against the Bush administration's conduct of the War in Iraq has been that there is too little military. Niall Ferguson, writing in Time echoes a widespread view that "General Eric Shinseki turned out to have been right that 'something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers' would be needed to stabilize post-Saddam Iraq." Ferguson may be correct in some sense, but that is not the point. The point is that from the beginning the Administration's War on Terror was never primarily military; it was always -- even from the days of the First Fallujah campaign -- fundamentally a political war and continues to be to this day, as the continued existence of Moqtada al-Sadr illustrates.
It's politico-military character did automatically ensure its success. Iraq illustrates that it simply gives one the chance to lose, as well as win in two dimensions. Yet losing any particular hand doesn't mean it is the wrong game to play; it simply means one has to learn to play it better. The WSJ article unconsciously raises a different and more disturbing criticism of American strategy. The military's prosecution of a politico/military campaign can be viewed as an attempt to compensate for the failure of other aspects of American power (diplomatic, development and informational) to project themselves into the field. It's a Band-Aid to compensate for the absence of institutions which America, if it were truly an imperial power, would have had. But America will never have a BBC, which was itself the evolutionary product of Imperial Britain. Yet America has its own sources of strength, including media industries which enabled it to dominate the popular culture of the world. The most serious question posed by the WSJ article is not whether the politico/military approach is the correct approach, but whether such a broad campaign can be prosecuted by so limited an agency as the US military without the rest of America's "soft power" behind it.
Gen Abizaid's staff tracks everything from birth rates in places like Sudan to oil-pipeline deals to water consumption in the region. One of his staff officers, who has an advanced degree in Middle Eastern history, recently wrote a long paper for him on the British colonial experience in Iraq in the 1920s and '30s. The general's colleagues praise him for his ease with uncertainty and freewheeling debate.
In May, on a visit through Iraq, he was getting a briefing on security conditions in the country. An officer lamented that a significant share of Iraqis were telling opinion surveys it was honorable to attack U.S. forces. "You act like you're insulted or something," Gen. Abizaid said to the briefing officer. As the officer looked on, surprised, the general told him why he shouldn't be: Iraqis also thought it honorable to attack the British when they occupied Iraq, and they felt the same way earlier about the Turks. The attitude was "a part of the battlefield," and it showed the need to turn the fight in Iraq over to the Iraqis as quickly as possible, he said.
Gen. Abizaid's influence is evident in Iraq, where the U.S. has shifted away from its initial focus of building a U.S.-style democracy in the heart of the Muslim world. Today the top priority for commanders is building Iraqi police and army forces that can take over the fight and shoring up crumbling infrastructure. On the political side, U.S. and Iraqi leaders are working to persuade Sunnis who've supported the insurgency to take part in the political process. They're also trying to reach an accommodation with radical Shiite elements. "In Iraq, we are willing to accept a less-than-perfect democracy. Stability and security are more important," says one U.S. Army counterinsurgency expert. "Instead of mission creep, we are seeing mission shrink."
In the end, I don't think it can be. To be successful the "General's 'New Plan' to battle radical Islam" must be consciously pursued by all the organs of national strength. However, it will not. Not until America reaches a broad consensus on the need to wage a struggle of culture, politics and arms against Islamic fascism. Until then it will be inadequately though valiantly waged by the only agency which a Commander in Chief can directly wield. Maybe the best use to which the President can put the remainder of his term is to turn his efforts inward. America will have gained the strategic upper hand only when the majority of its population, including its opinion leaders, can read articles like Greg Jaffe's not with surprise, but with familiar approval.
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No one in our government either Democrat or Republican dare name our enemy...President Bush made a small attempt and was immediately rebuffed. Until we name our enemy we will never have a strategy to win. The terrible sword which hangs over the worlds head is what happens should the Islamic Warriors gain access to nuclear weapons before we destroy any states will to give nuclear weapons to them.
This war isn't so difficult except that we don't possess the will to face the sad fact that much more killing is required to prevent murder on a global scale.
Pierre
Thank G_d for The Belmont Club and its commenters!
In all seriousness, I am reminded of a remark made by a psychoanalyst in my training, Mel (we always kiddingly called him "Meyer") Lansky, when I told him I was "confused" about a particularly problematic case.
Rather than being dismayed, he exclaimed: "You're confused? Thats great! It means you're in touch with your unconscious. You're about to learn something!"
;-)
Jamie Irons
So then, would we be looking at $10 a gallon oil after we've pulled out of Iraq?
I don't have a problem with that, especially if it kills off, finally, the dinosaur SUVs, and encourages faster engineering on the new generations of hybrids.
The only proviso I would look for in withdrawing from Iraq and the Middle East is that we absolutely ban any further immigration of *any* Muslims from *any* place in the world, AND, equally as important, ban them from entering our country for any reason whatsoever. I include in that seeking medical treatment, student visa's, tourism, or shopping up to and including trying to buy our sea ports. No Muslims allowed physically in the United States of America under any conditions or for any reason. They are welcome to conduct all business via cell-phone, computer and videotape.
If we are not prepared to quarantine ourselves to that extent, then it seems to me we'd best stay in Iraq until we've beaten them into submission, and if we can't beat them into submission then we need to purify the whole region with nuclear weapons.
Turning our fighting military into a heavily-armed Peace Corps seems counterproductive to me. And I have to wonder if young people will still sign up to be warriors when it becomes apparent that the reality of their tenure will be developing an expertise in sewage and digging toilets.
The truth is who cares if the Sunnis or Shiites win? It is also too bad that the Democrats and the Republicans cannot both lose in November.
A Helpful Recruiting Tool
Marine battalion heads to Iraq for fourth time.
Tears flow as loved ones bid goodbye to unit members in Twentynine Palms
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.
cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/03/
MNG1NKUN0M1.DTL
Pierre, I agree that naming the enemy is all important.
As to the US Military performing civil construction projects, community development, etc., I don't think it's our role to do that. Our military is there, at this point, to help the Iraqi gov't, police, and military restore order.
“And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
St. Luke 5:37 & 38; KJV
“An officer lamented that a significant share of Iraqis were telling opinion surveys it was honorable to attack U.S. forces. 'You act like you're insulted or something,' Gen. Abizaid said”
allen said...
From Austin Bay,
"His [Rumsfeld's] biggest mistake, in my view, was keeping a cadre of advisers that were fine for peace-time, Beltway political brawling, but ill-prepared for warfighting — particularly fighting a long, intricate, sustained war."
9/03/2006 09:28:00 AM
Let's be cautious. The Wall Street Journal (editorial page excepted) is written by people who would be quite at home at the New York Times. Caveat emptor!
What is it with all the defeatism? The WAR in Iraq -- the real war against Saddam Hussein & his Baathist regime -- was a staggering success. Saddam's forces had held Iran's mighty army to a grinding stalemate for 8 long years -- roughly 400 weeks. The US (with some help from its allies) finished off the Baathists as a regime in 3 weeks. Incredible!
What happened after winning the real war has been messy & confusing. Lesson to be applied the next time -- Don't Bother with the Aftermath! There is no real reason why the US has to remain in a country after removing its repugnant regime.
It is time to start promoting the Anti-Powell doctrine (since Powell has proven himself to be such an Empty Jacket in the Armitage affair) -- We break it, you fix it; and if we don't think you fixed it right, we will break it again.
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Wretchard wrote
“The point is that from the beginning the Administration's War on Terror was never primarily military; it was always -- even from the days of the First Fallujah campaign -- fundamentally a political war and continues to be to this day, as the continued existence of Moqtada al-Sadr illustrates.”
The conflation continues with the War on Terror and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Sure, it was never primarily military but the administration seemed to think that, somehow, guns blazing and the military boot to head we would produce a western friendly democracy. Our American hubris continues with the thinking that, somehow, we can solve the Gordian knot of Iraq and from this it would follow that the big prize, Terror, would be defeated. Unfortunately an American solution is a fallacy.
Wretchard concluded with:
“America will have gained the strategic upper hand only when the majority of its population, including its opinion leaders, can read articles like Greg Jaffe's not with surprise, but with familiar approval.”
In light of the current political situation in the US this is an admission of failure, of defeat. Rufus highlighted how even the ‘right’ have thrown in the towel in the first post on this thread.
“The Magician in "Aladdin" may possibly have neglected the study of men, for the study of alchemical books; but it is certain that in spite of his profession he was no conjuror. He knew nothing of human nature, or the everlasting set of the current of human affairs. If, when he fraudulently sought to obtain possession of the wonderful Lamp, and went up and down, disguised, before the flying-palace, crying New Lamps for Old ones, he had reversed his cry, and made it Old Lamps for New ones, he would have been so far before his time as to have projected himself into the nineteenth century of our Christian Era.”
___Charles Dickens
http://www.engl.duq.edu/
servus/PR_Critic/HW15jun50.html
Wretchard:
If some unknown guy from the sticks wrote a book outlining an integrated domestic strategy designed to defeat the Islamists (and complement what our soldiers are doing abroad), would he ever get published?
If one looks at what the book industry shovels out, it's titles like "My political opponents are a bunch of idiots" -- no constructive suggestions, all blame, blame, blame... Am I supposed to believe there is even a market for books with constructive suggestions on how to win this war?
Trish, I have always maintained that you would look good in a burkah. Saves a lot in cosmetics and pantyhose. And Rufus, better check on the directions to Meccah.
Note to self:
Firepower doesn't work when it isn't used.
Leaving places like Tikrit, Hit, and other Saddamite Strongholds largely intact is no way to win a war OR Hearts and Minds.
Trying to figure out how to win wars while minimizing enemy bloodshed is not only Folly, but reckless folly since it is untried and demands foregoing tried and true means to the end.
Both the homefront and the enemy could have been won over had we not repeatedly held our fire for yet another experiment in "political solutions."
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Sistani Falters
This will take some time to digest , but it sure doesn't sound good:
[Jonah Goldberg]
I no longer have power to save Iraq from civil war, warns Shia leaderBy Gethin Chamberlain and Aqeel Hussein in Baghdad
The most influential moderate Shia leader in Iraq has abandoned attempts to restrain his followers, admitting that there is nothing he can do to prevent the country sliding towards civil war.
Aides say Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani is angry and disappointed that Shias are ignoring his calls for calm and are switching their allegiance in their thousands to more militant groups which promise protection from Sunni violence and revenge for attacks.
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“Burning Up SEALs”
Misuing special-warfare assets.
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Sadr breathing for these last two years has been a Military and Political Disaster.
"It's politico-military character did automatically ensure its success"
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Is supposed to be:
It's politico-military character did *NOT* automatically ensure its success
Right? or Wrong?
Endurance Meets Doubt in Iraq
“As a soldier, I am going to do whatever we got to do,” he said. “As a personal opinion, I don’t think we need to be in this city, period. How much money and how many soldiers is it going to take when these people don’t want our help? They just don’t. We don’t even know who we can trust.”
Hit is a tough assignment. The predominantly Sunni town of some 65,000 sits astride the Euphrates in Anbar Province. Saddam Hussein hid in the nearby palm groves soon after escaping from Baghdad in April 2003, a telling indication that the town contained more than a few supporters of the old order.
If we made cannon fodder out of Phd's and generals out of grunts our chances of success would skyrocket.
Somebody once said that war is how Americans learn about other countries, which they certainly don't learn about in school. More true than not.
Afghanistan and Iraq have been initial skirmishes in a longer war, a good faith attempt on our part at a low violence solution to the clash between Islam and the US. In the long run their function will be to have shown that in some regions of the world the low violence approach leads nowhere of any use, to us or to our opponents.
This is actually how America gears up for major wars. It took us centuries to decide to finish with the Indians, and the gestation of the Civil War lasted for decades. WWII, with Pearl Harbor, was an anomaly, although even there the conflict with Japan had been brewing for at least 10 years.
Bush understood this from the outset. The Democrats didn't want to understand any of it. In time it will become apparent that their attitude is at bottom bimodal - they either want to ignore problems overseas or to blast them off the agenda. They will become, as they were at the outset in Vietnam, our more adventurous and thereby aggressive party. One of the things the twentieth century showed very clearly is that there are few people less restrained by scruples than leftists in a hurry, especially when there are lots of ordinary people in the way, not responding the way the leftists think they should.
"American Hiroshima":
For these reasons -- the nature of our enemy's threat and his determination to see our destruction -- the only applicable defense is the doctrine of pre-emption. Thursday, the same day Iran rejected the deadline for ending its enrichment of uranium, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported finding traces of highly enriched uranium at an Iranian nuclear plant.
Uranium of this variety is used only for the production of nuclear weapons. Our only strategic option and our best hope of averting a nuclear attack, though it's certainly no guarantee, is pre-emptive warfare against our enemies.
Enemy's Threat
When They Say Sallam Aliakum, Return the Compliment and Say Islam Is The Problem.
We are making progress. People are getting it. There is no religion of peace. Islam is the problem. And the next level is that Islam is not a religion. It is no more a religion than Nazism. It deserves no sanction in the West. If we can get to that idea we can smash multi-culturalism and moral equivalency. We can re-establish moral supremacy. We can say we are right and they are wrong. We can say, do the right thing, or get the hell out of our country. It is a process. It takes time. We are making progress.
I pose two simple questions:
If we leave Iraq and it breaks into a civil war, why is that so bad?
If we tell the Europeans it is there problem if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, we can defend ourselves, why is that so bad?
I beg everyone to read the Danmeyers link at the Gates of Vienna.
Vienna article. Great read. We've become too pussified.
Well, we can't send in the crocodile hunter.
There is a fractious debate at Riehl's world, responding to David Warren and Mark Steyn and me and The Virginian... and others.. it is about the Fox News guys adopting Islam and thus getting a ticket out of the death chamber. And it is VERY relevant to Wretchard's post here.
The argument is over: were these guys smart to do what they did? were they cowardly to do what they did?
Ultimately, it's all about the role of courage OR smart in this war. We are technologically superior to the enemy. But I do not believe that that will be sufficient.
Sympathy for these guys' dilemma does not change the reality that there was a Test here, and they failed that Test... not only in the eyes of millions of Muslims, who know cowardice and hypocrisy when they see it, but also in the eyes of many in the West who know there is a war on, and who want to win the damned thing.
It comes down to.. what exactly ARE we fighting for? This is not WWII and it isn't the Cold War. This is a reversion to pre Westphalia.
And why NOT adopt Islam, each and every one of us? What difference will it make, really, in our personal lives? Surely nothing will change? We will still have plumbing and running water and dentists and optometrists and central heating, won't we?
What is the big deal? And that is what we are faced with when we applaud those smart Fox Guys walking 'free' and hugging their friends... and saying nice things about Islam so they can (a) go back and report cool stuff and get paid for doing so; and (b) not TOO nice, because their transnational friends might they they have gone down market fundy (although not so down market as to become "Christian.")
Wretchard is right. The real battleground is right here in the West. I am afraid that there will be few to see it until it is right at their doorstep, and then it will be far too late.
WAAAAY OT:
Anyone who thought teresita was the real deal, check these two links:
http://home.comcast.net/~rubyredinger/bct5.html
http://fem-net.blogspot.com/
Wow, she's got some kind of imagination.
The Plamegate Hall of Shame:
The rogues' gallery of those who acted badly in the CIA "leak" case turns out to be different from what the media led us to expect. Note that we put the word "leak" in quotation marks, because it's clear now there was no leak at all, just idle talk, and certainly no smear campaign against Joseph Wilson for criticizing President Bush's Iraq policy.
Richard Armitage, the deputy secretary of state under Colin Powell, was the first to reveal that Wilson's wife was a CIA employee.
Colin Powell, Bush's friend and secretary of state in the first Bush term, knew what Armitage had done and never let on.
Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the "leak" case, was aware of the source of Novak's story when he began his still-ongoing investigation in December 2003.
Hall of Shame
No prob, Habu. Buy me a beer and we'll call 'er even..;)
Catherine,
Can't read site right now, (bedtime( if you could leave address, I'd appreciate.
Think what I would do is sincerely and profoundly convert, then spend the rest of my life on this earth making fun of Islam, Allah, and all associated garbage.
pbuhomo
How did Annoy Mouse get to comment on Teresita's when there is no link?
Which is worse:
Submitting to Islam, (temporary taquia-style)
or to a Grenade dropping child that then whimpers about the reactions she gets to said cheese(y) grenades?
At least you have the excuse of saving your own neck in the first instance.
Thanks a lot 2164th!
Just read
http://fem-net.blogspot.com/
and am sick to my stomach!
...but aware my respect quotient would increase (with some) if I started writing about my super kinky childhood sex-life.
Very Classy!
CNN Has video of Australian Report on Steve Irwin.
Next Video in rotation is a young british girl choosing to live with her fat, bearded, muslim dad instead of her mother.
Further proof of her soundness of mind is that she aspires to live in Pakistan!
Interesting Times Indeed.
Trish, a better question is why do so many blatantly disrespect Wretchard's wishes on how *his* blog is to be run?
This is genuinely puzzling to me and betrays a lack of home training from folks one would assume have to know better.
"We are fighting radical Islam, this anti-West elite within, and people in power too stupid, inept, or too consumed with rewarding their special interest groups to effectively fight radical Islam."
I have to disagree with the latter part of this sentence starting with "too stupid." Gen. Abizaid is following a strategy that has been in place for quite sometime -- I will let slide the part about a " a broader rethinking within the Bush administration of how best to fight terrorism, driven in part by the failures of the past five years" -- as that is just a cheap shot of the kind that journalists seem incapable of avoiding -- and that in fact their is good evidence that this strategy is working.
For those interested, Shrinkwrapped has been kind enough to post my greatly expanded thoughts on what exactly this strategy is over at his blog. I trust I am not violating any protocol by mentioning that here and providing a link, but at 12,000 or so words, my thoughts are rather too long for a comment.
Jamie Irons can you talk to Cedarford? He's talking that "Protocols" stuff again.
A few comments about a few comments:
1.We're not leaving Iraq so long as there is a possibility of jihadis getting control of any of the oilfields.
2. In the last ten years the major oil companies have earned 335 billion and invested 550 billion in exploration and development of OIL. You can bet on all the biofuels you want to but the people in the business of making money and supplying the public with its wants is betting on oil. So am I.
Well, where were you guys when the Course could have been changed, by public pressure?
Other than being a day late and a dollar short, what else is new?
Mr Razor, we never were rolling into Iran, if we had been, we'd have done it. Already.
Funny, now that the light is finally on, so many think that US will be soon be changing Course. Really is humorous to read.
The General and his team will continue to play "whack a muslim" in Iraq. The ISF will soon grow to over 300,000 troops, supplied and trained by US, to be commanded by the Mahdi.
The "Ruling Elite" are known by their "Skull & Bones".
Onward Mohammedan Soldiers!
Right on Fred and DR you have been vindicated, four no trump, doubled and re-doubled.
"Funny, now that the light is finally on, so many think that US will be soon be changing Course. Really is humorous to read."
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You think THAT'S funny!
How about:
It is working! "
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C-4,
Thanks for including the Gentiles, but you forgot to name the most important one:
GWB's right-hand Christian lady that CONTINUES to maintain ties with Muslim groups dedicated to pulling the wool over our eyes while supporting G_d knows what with their contributions to "charities".
...at least last I heard his church-lady friend was still maintaining those ties, but I can't name her EITHER, 'cause I can't remember her name!!!
Susan somebody?
---was with him as Gov and first term, now back again, I think.
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You will recall some prominent Muslim of ill-repute was invited into the White House AFTER 9-11 as I recall.
"We are the World,
1939 was nothing,
You ain't seen nuthin yet,
Kool Aid Drinkers."
No problem Sirius:
Seriously!
"It is working"
Steve Irwin was "in control", he was a professional, you know, he said so.
The General may well secure Baghdad, finally.
But what of Ramadi, Tikrit, Basra, Damascus & Tehran?
Let alone Warizistan and beyond, those existing Islamic nuclear weapons.
'Rat
Kaplan was upset that we pulled troops out of Mosul to send to Baghdad.
After all that blood, sweat, and tears were spent their.
Including that of Lt Col Kurilla at the hands of a "releasee."
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Guess it requires more than a Harvard MBA to perceive
"Whack a Mole."
EVERY Black auto Mechanic in 1950 could have done son.
"could have done son."
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could have done *SO*.
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Son must be on my mind.
How's Junior doing?
Any chance of a reserve Call-Up?
Mindless lefties went to Canada,
Akamai Gringos head South.
(Akamai: Hawaiian lingo for got their street-smarts TOGETHER.)
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TOGETHER: 60'S term bogarted from blacks meaning...
oh well, this could go on forever.
English used to suffice.
Idiocy?
That is how you describe the present Policies?
I have thought them to be wrong, by degrees. You claim them idiotic.
Such is the weakness of supporting US Policy. People claim you are an idiot.
War awaits a newer bomb design?
Whatever pinpoint bunker buster is used to destroy the Iranian capacity, you still have a Global Asymentrical War begun. From London to Louisville. Paris to Palm Springs.
Crude at over $300 bbl. With the pipelines and pumping stations in Turkey, Ecuador, Kuwait, Ukraine, Mexico and Panama destroyed.
Yep, just waiting for an economic downturn and a new bomb before the US takes action.
Or wait for the October Summit and the new tomorrow. Iran will be selling power plants to Venezuela and Cuba. Malayasia could be on the list as well.
Soviet technology exported by Iran.
Uranium export was always in the Shah's plan, for the 24 US supplied reactors that were planned for Iran, in the '80's.
The change of US policy 'tween now and then exemplifies the true dangers of the Pakistani weapons.
NahnCee & Fred, Habu and Doug.
And Open Season on Dykes that laud the recruitment/molestation of 14yr old girls.
"General Eric Shinseki turned out to have been right that 'something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers' would be needed to stabilize post-Saddam Iraq."
A country the size of Iraq, policed by several hundred thousand US Soldier's is not stable, it merely oppressed.
A stable country does not concern itself with the possibility of violent overthrow from within.
First those thousands of weapons would have to be seen as usable, to be a real preemptive threat.
The "West" will not nuke Paris while it burns. London will not be targeted.
The Chinese will affirm that MAD remains the cork in the nuclear bottle. To think we would escalate to nuclear, preemptively is to misread US.
For some reason, Mr Razor you think that the US will make a Course correction that is extreme in nature.
I live here, just drove coast to coast. There is no desire for a wider War, the window has closed on another preemptive War.
Maybe the next guy or gal in the White House will give it a go, though.
Although Teresita may personify vaguely Wretchard's theme of "Old lamps for new" in Dickens’s sense, must we continue to shower undeserved affection on her.
The more it's stirred, the more it stinks.
And, most importantly, why do we care?
woof22; 08:54:22 AM
Wretchard wrote: "An officer lamented that a significant share of Iraqis were telling opinion surveys it was honorable to attack U.S. forces."
Woof22 wrote: "The GIs in Iraq enjoy being ambassadors of Freedom. They intuitively know what Gen Abuzaid is saying."
Obviously, not.
Nothing is ever "that simple".
I am sure happy that the actions of the Chinese and Russians are so predetermined. That their perceptions and priorities in the World are the same as US.
The US will not attack, with conventional or nuclear weapons, Tehran if Paris burns after a "precision" strike at Iranian infrastructure.
Perhaps Mr Blair, or his replacement will, in response to riots and terror attacks in England, nuke Damascus but the US will not.
If the "Orbador Revolution" destroys Mexican infrastructure, the US will not nuke Damascus or Tehran, rest assured of that.
Or I am wrong, that after the Iranian counter punch they do glow. But the System has still suffered the high level of damage that will be required to trigger such a drastic change of course.
When a few degrees of change, early on, could have avoided the reef altogther.
I tried on the recent closed thread:
"Australia is abusing its "moderate" Muslims, so they say. And, by golly, those "moderates" are angry. Yes, that is hard to believe, I know."
"Muslim anger erupts at Costello call to renounce terrorism"
http://www.theage.com.au/
news/national/muslim-anger-
erupts-at-costello-call-to-renounce-terrorism/2006/09/03/
1157222007392.html
This morning Riehl World View is trying with a link to USS Neverdock, writing:
"Frankly, this is intolerable."
MUSLIM leaders have lashed out at Peter Costello, after the federal Treasurer called on them to condemn terrorism "unequivocally", and speak out plainly and clearly against radicals in their community.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/
carnivorous_conservative/
USS Neverdocks reports:
“Australia - Muslim anger erupts at calls to renounce terrorism”
http://ussneverdock.blogspot.
com/2006/09/australia-muslim-
anger-erupts-at-calls.html
General Abizaid’s “Old lamps” are sputtering again (still, yet, etc.).
"it looks like they're starting to decide that fighting a major war to put Al Sadr in power, rather than Maliki, or vice-versa, just isn't worth it."
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Amen!
Amen!
Praise the Lord!
Amen!
...followed Rufus' link to Gateway's distant faraway voice carrying a little spot of good news from Iraq, and bumped into this really enjoyable bit on the 1864 elections.
Hayek upthread says that the danger of OPEC falling into the extremism orbit, will keep us in Iraq no matter what for a long time yet. I'm not so sure of Hayek's prediction (an 08 President Gore?), but I am sure where the line of attack will open in full fury as soon as we don't have a strong rook on that corner of the board.
"Old lamps for new"
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Oil Lamps for Eu.
No oil for EU
nah, oil wins.
Steve Centani would rather switch than die, thinking that it doesn't really count, conversion at gunpoint.
So it goes with civilian society's pointman in the Mohammedan Wars.
...a "pre-munition"?
Pre CaCa
pre-caca-ignition
Mr Razor hits the nail on the head.
To believe him the "Mad Mullahs" are not mad at all, but rational actors.
If that is the case, then containment and "MAD" will carry the day.
No precision strikes to keep the Mullahs from obtaining nuclear weapons needed.
If the Mullahs and Mohammedans are not rational, then count on the waiting, preplanned reactions to be implemented after Iran is overtly attacked.
The habu scenario is most likely. Israel is many things, but it is still "over there".
In retaliation we could burn the whole Islamic world, if desired.
I'd bet on US retaliation being limited to the country (Iran) that supplied the bomb, not the whole of Islam. The Israeli, who knows who'd they strike out at, how limited a target list would they use?
Kathy Courious,
Veery Kute.
Extra Teresitaial Precaca Ignition.
Holy Shiite Batman, we have precacaignition!
Much smarter than the rooster, who thinks his cock-a-doodle-doo makes the sun come up.
c4 states:
The typical resume is of an elite liberal Jew or Gentile
so why say jew or gentile, since this statement actually says:
The typical resume is of an elite liberal .
just to get that JEW jab into it?
X Postcaca
Wi"O", he was pointing out the dearth of Hindus in the Shadow Party.
rufus,
if we are at war which i do believe we are, they using bio-fuels should be used at once.
we should do all non-lethal things 1st to starve the enemy of all comfort and wealth.
I STILL buy soy oil at the grocery to put into my diesel benz, no processing, just dump it in (1 -2 gallons of diesel per 18 gallons of veggie to keep it thin)
i am a zealot, i do not trust the islamic/persian/arab/euro worlds... I would rather economically attempt to win before we stoop to thier level of mass murder. We can in the end bomb the buggers. If we are willing to spend trillions on iraq, we should be willing to tax opec oil at a minimum of 60 dollars per barrel, so that WHEN the price falls again, opec will not be able to bankrupt the alternative fuel companies that have started up. Minimum barrel of opec oil needs to be 60 bucks. Sounds like it is meaningless but it will not be when the price falls.
besides veggie oil how about a list of actions the USA can do now to hurt opec/islamists/persia?
The dearth of Palapas in the Salafist Party.
X Postcaca
9/04/2006 11:16:08 AM
doug, go to your room.
Looks like General Abizaid has some hearts and minds to win among EU governments. Or, maybe he has.
Europe nixes landing rights for El Al planes with IDF cargo
http://www.yonitheblogger.com/
2164th,
That IS my room!
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Teresita's linking me up w/a really cool Dude.
No Shiite.
This must be part of the Administration’s hearts and minds project. Well, why not, the US is funding Hamas, and look how well that is working out.
U.S. aid to Hezbollah?
http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20060901-090800-6031r.htm
Thanks to http://atlasshrugs2000.
typepad.com/
US FUNDING HEZB'ALLAH
Farts and Grinds.
Is there a Psychiatrist in the house?
Dr. Irons!
Dr. Irons!
Paging Dr. Irons!
Do Bloggers write pieces 3 times as long as traditional columnists just to make sure Bloggers remain a niche item?
I propose a Dept of Common Sense.
...but that would require evacuating DC and randomly picking citizens off the street to re-occupy the Shiitehole.
whit,
I continue to be of the opinion that full involvement in this war is at least another mass casualty event away... I wonder, though, if that would be sufficient to get State, the CIA, and the mainsteam media on board?
rufus said...
"Occupation," how much are you paying for that soy oil? How much is Diesel where you live?
I pay about 5.50 a gallon, diesel is 3.09
i hate wowa. eleanor hates wowa.
BTW - The American Petroleum Institute says that bio-deisel constiutes about .2% of all the on-road diesel used in the US and prospects for a significant increase are neglible. The general consensus is that the oil market can "price out" competitive fuels and will do so as they appear to be viable and competitive.
absolutely correct..
but we dont base national security on price..
if we can spend a trillion on iraq, we can help the usa market used veggie oil/soy/wrape seed oil -diesel blends
how much do we actually spend helping the oil companies transport safely oil from the persian gulf?
what is the true cost per gallon if you factor in the middle east arab extortion of protection?
this aint a cost issue, it is an emergency supply issue...
when the next refinery is shut down... when the next electric grip goes down... schools, counties, trucking companies and more can used soy to stretch thier diesel fuel supply...
Bring on the Dogs of wowa,
Possumtater be damned!
P-Tater sez:
"Iz i crazy juz think'in we be real real close to some bad shit? "
I have a difficult time envisioning this war as simply grinding to a halt - the goals of the jihadis have not changed - please may I be wrong, but I am more or less just keeping the kids close and watching for the next shoe to drop.
In short, I don't think you're crazy.
A Guy on Maui (son's scoutmaster) has been making Biodiesel from Restaurant Waste for over a decade.
The Lahaina-Kaanapali Express runs on recycled oil.
whit said:
"I have made the same observation and the response I get from the left is "You would love that wouldn't you?"
They're demented with BDS among other things."
Having watched jumpers zooming earthward on 9/11, the last thing I want to see is ANYTHING like that again. I remember reading about an unidentified man and woman who held hands and jumped together. I'd have to be ready for a comment like "You would love that wouldn't you?" or I might slap the speaker before I could catch myself.
The reason we agitate for action against the jihadis is precisely to AVOID something like that. I was a long distance spectator on 9/11, and it was horrific. How anyone, even eaten up with BDS, could assume we wish for more of that... talk about being beyond help.
On dialect: the Patton show on Fox last night showed GP speaking, referring to "Thoid Ahmy" several times. Wonder where he picked up da Joisey?
rufus said...
"Occupation," have you looked into a cheaper oil; it's all the same in your engine, you know.
i know, but i am lazy...
when i replace my water heater i think i will move that to my business use to create b100 and run waste chinese cooking oil, but until then it's a small amount i spend (since i dont actually drive all that much about 5 miles a day)
I find the attention i can get showing people that we can use veggie oil directly into a benz diesel tank is more important (not attention to me, but to the veggie oil) (benz diesels have preheaters, so you can run veggie straight 11 months a year in ohio)(caveat emptor, i still think a tiny amount of diesel keeps things clean)
i dont know the stats, but i did read about ground covers that reduce spraying for insects that also produce oil. Palm oil is wonderful can we grow it in the usa? I dont want to exchange the saudias for the indonesians
point is, we all need to act like this is war, 1000 points of light as old man bush would say, no one solution, but 1000..
in business i tell my employees, i dont want one thing to double my business, i want each of them to find one thing a day to improve our performance 1%.
Think of the doubling time of 1% compounded daily 365 times/yr!
(gotta keep focused on wkends)
Doug said...
Think of the doubling time of 1% compounded daily 365 times/yr!
(gotta keep focused on wkends)
yep... my point
Great, Rufus:
A plan to save the World, and you sleep on it!
If you install Google Desktop Search, (free download) you can find it in 10 seconds.
Afghanis can fuel the world,
automotively and medicinally.
I am sick of the new American " No Can Do Attitude". If Brazil can eliminate or radically reduce the use of oil, the US can as well. There is no reason why the US cannot move to be a net energy exporter. If it takes taxes, use them. Subsidies use them. Coercion, coerce. Send lawyers to rendering plants. You want to send a message to The Islamic world with a cheerful cc to Russia, Venezuela, Iran and China, move heaven and hell to eliminate petroleum imports. That would do more to enhance US power and prestige with a lot fewer casualties.
wretchard said:
An officer lamented that a significant share of Iraqis were telling opinion surveys it was honorable to attack U.S. forces. "You act like you're insulted or something," Gen. Abizaid said to the briefing officer. As the officer looked on, surprised, the general told him why he shouldn't be: Iraqis also thought it honorable to attack the British when they occupied Iraq, and they felt the same way earlier about the Turks.
That would be fine, all's fair in love and war and our forces in-theater know what to do to protect themselves. My problem is that the Iraqis think it is honorable to attack women, children and unarmed men, as long as the targets are in a dense enough group that its worth expending the life of a "martyr" in a suicide car bomb. They think a legitimate target for a grassroots "insurgency" is the infrastructure that the ordinary people need to live. So I don't want to hear any crap from about the Iraqi sense of honor and their need to save face. The martyrs of the early Christian Church didn't try to take out 30 or 40 Roman citizens when they died, they accepted death rather than renounce their faith. The Jihadist "militants" justify their wet work by saying their Muslim victims are really martyrs in a higher cause, and Allah will understand, but bullcrap, they are never given the opportunity to choose between Islamic principles and life, they are just murdered.
Tater:
This Oil Lamp's for Ewe.
Wretchard, why go so easy on the media's cluelessness? For them to notice that most of our effort is not military is a crystal clear demonstration of their failure to inform their readers. It's been obvious from the get-go.
Unfortunately, I think Abizaid and many others have outsmarted themselves. As one commenter here noted, force cannot fail if it is not used - and in Iraq it has barely been used.
This bizarre obsession with Shinseki and his numbers - which of course leaves out his overall lack of credibility, and specifically his utter lack of credibility when it came to presenting positions that could be assumed to be other than service special-pleading - misses the point, besides being illiterate.
You could have 5 times the number of troops here, but if you didn't do much with them, the result would be the same. Five times as many troops doing force protection, half-hearted operations with no serious or lasting bite, or playing footsie with absurdly inferior foes (a la Ramadi today) would not change much.
It was excusable to proceed with reconstruction, etc. in 2003 because there was very little trouble. The instant any serious trouble arose, decisive force should have been applied (where that was feasible, a meaningful subset of the total situations), and not a dime of assistance provided in areas that caused trouble (all such resources should have been ostentatiously shifted to other areas, maximizing the shift to non-Sunni areas to leave no doubt about the punitive nature of the change). When the Sunnis on the IGC threatened to resign over the first Fallujah operation, it was time to tell them good riddance, and let their entire community know they were making a fateful choice that would cost their entire communities.
Khalilzad has the ability to enter the bazaar to make deals, but in this case he (we) entered the rug shop in a horribly weak position. "Sunni outreach" is a logical and actually obvious thing to do - it just occurred about 2 years too early, and absent ALL of the preparation required to make it useful.
From rightly recognizing some of the adaptations needed for wars other-than-conventional, it seems the US military has careened into a daze in which the centrality of force and domination - especially here - are completely forgotten.
Many people I know recoiled in amazement going back three years, when the first stories of pre-mature or non-violent pacification efforts emerged. It'd be a neat trick to skip the "war" part of war and reconstruction - but it's not possible in Iraq. But we've tried anyway - with unsurprising results.
Gen. Pace said it more or less explicitly a while back on a visit up in Mosul. He - incorrectly - asserted that it would be undesirable to apply more coalition force so as to reduce the challenge/enemy faced by the fledgling Iraqi regime. Seems to me like a massive, and disastrous, bad judgment call. Why do the US brass cling to this obsession with forcing the Iraqis to grow faster through a baptism of fire, when for both military and domestic political reasons this approach endangers the entire enterprise? Iraqi dependency/lack of self-respect/manipulation are the huge open secrets no one ever talks about, and it's right to combat these things by putting Iraqis on the spot where possible. But the whole game has been on the line, and we've been acting like we're trying to squeeze a little bit of the cost out of the final phases of a successful operation. It's nuts.
Good bet that real histories of decision-making about Iraq (not the crap from journalists that is currently being barfed up) will show that it was not civilians clinging to obviously failed policies, but those in uniform. Of course the civilians bear the responsibility, as they're ultimately in charge.
In fact, the number of folks here who share an inability to even imagine what the military and senior civilian leaders could be talking about in their numerous video-conferences seems to be growing. The first question to be answered by historians will be how Washington could have sat still for the situation starting around Fall 2003.
A multi-faceted strategy is correct (but so obvious, and even historically familiar, that it hardly merits kudos or wonder), and it will take time and be frustrating. But practically leaving out the military component (that is, not compelling submission or destroying the capacity to resist of key enemy centers of gravity) is obviously going to doom the whole package. A "politico-military" strategy without a military component is a disastrous farce whose appeal is hard to fathom.
That be 98 SE Mr. Possum.
Not a bad way to Operate a System,
if you get my drift.
possumtater; 12:24:27 PM
re: we be real real close to some bad shit?
Only in timing. I think we are up to our wastes in quicksand. Over on the bank, the genteel folks are dining on pork served on plate, quietly discussing the meaning of Islam, ignoring our cries for help.
I think multiple facets are Conspicuous Consumption.
I'm gonna tell Vance Packard.
"meaning of Islam,"
Thank God for small favors:
I thought they were still stuck on the meaning of war.
icecold seems to have the tiger by the tail.
As a non-native Hawaiian, (but Kaamaaina) I say acre for acre Palm Trees make algae look flat.
biomass = bioengineering
I think Kaamaaina has one more "a"
...or is it one less?
rufus,
Sorry, I hadn't seen your post before I posted bioengineering. Great minds, you think. Is America a great country, or what?
Doug,
Can't help ya there - when I went to Hawaii, close to ten years ago, it was with the new Mrs Triton.
All I was interested in spelling was Kaamaanaawannalaayaa Island.
Naturally, we stayed at the Isit Inn.
Triton,
Being that it was your honeymoon,
I would guess "yes!"
Doug,
It was more like "YES! YES! YES! YES! YEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!"
doug; 02:30:27 PM
re: meaning of war
Hey, don't rush them. You know, a costly education isn't what it used to be.
:-) was for both 02:48:33 PM and 02:46:54 PM.
We must conserve, both colons and semicolons.
The prospects for savings are greater with the Semis, obviously.
"dat what he say"
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dat ain't radioactive, dat's just reactive.
Oh, well.
What the heck.
I do not know who Icecold is but he is not in food service or the motor pool and is not drinking in the enlisted man's club.
Akbar Tater, meet Ms Ali Baba WaWa Streisand.
2164th,
I didn't either:
I was laying outside on the lawn.
They'd bring my beer there.
Obviously where annoymouse thinks you learned to scratch your belly.
02:59:57 dat do seem to be true.
Sad, but true.
I think for right now we just suck.
. (period)
But hopefully we'll wake up soon.
2164th,
I try my best not to take things personally!
wretchard wrote:
Gen. Abizaid oversees the U.S. military effort in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the Horn of Africa, Central Asia and the Mideast. ... But his view of the region is increasingly shaped by the inability of all that firepower to prevail against a violent strain of Islam seeking to expand its foothold. "The best way to contain al Qaeda is to increase the capacity of the regional powers to deal with it themselves," he says.
Our friends the Somalis have fallen under the control of the Islamic Courts (a sort of Taliban Lite), Al-Jezeera is the media arm of our friends the Qatar-snipes, most of the 9/11 hijackers were our friends the Saudis, and wasn't it also the Saudis who had a Jerry Lewis style telethon for the families of suicide bombers in Palestine? Every time I buy gasoline our friends the Persian Gulf regional powers got a big fat cash pipeline reaching right into my purse. And we want to give these guys more capability? Why don't we just give Musharraf some yellow cake Uranium for twenty or thirty more nukes while we're at it.
Tater:
I still maintain that's what happened to my Virginity.
Occam,
That Stetson sure didn't take a straight line from there to here.
During WWIII (Cold War) we used to worry about some tragic error or rogue general setting off a nuclear holocaust.
With the opening of WWIV on 911, my daughter asked in bafflement, “What were they (the terrorists) thinking?”
I responded, “If we only had the bomb.”
What a difference a Roman numeral makes.
Does General Abizaid's kinder, gentler plan meet the threat?
Allen, thanks for the link (Europe Nixes El Al flights carrying IDF supplies) to yonitheblogger.com.
During the month of August, Ireland — that wonderful, joyful, generous land of enchantment, music, laughter, gaiety, and the terrorists of the IRA — protested when U.S. aircraft landing in their country were revealed to be ferrying munitions and supplies on their way to the aid of Israel.
Yoni’s post immediately preceding the one you linked to points out that the brave new EU is preparing a wide range of criminal charges against Israelis for allegations of “War Crimes” but has historically been reluctant to pursue legal action of any sort against Islamic terrorists.
How utterly true to form. Europe is laying its head on the chopping block for the Islamic Jihadists, thinking its a pillow for its nappy time.
No, that’s too generous. That would mean they are completely oblivious. In fact, the leaders of the European Union are either completely in accord with the Islamic Jihadis in their contempt for Israel, or they are deluding themselves with the old illusion that they can win favor by sacrificing their acquaintances to the wolves.
“Here, wolves!” they quaver. “Eat my friends, not ME and I’ll show you where to find an endless supply of tasty treats!”
Mr. Wolf likes the crunchy wriggly flavor of fresh meat.
ooops. shoulda been:
"thinking it's a pillow for its nappy time."
Allen,
Has a great chance of defeating the threat to our decades long record of not winning wars.
icecold; 02:26:24 PM
Welcome aboard, sir!
I must warn you, however, the Lithium levels of many posters here are WAAAY overdue.
What Ice Cold said.
icecold said:
It was excusable to proceed with reconstruction, etc. in 2003 because there was very little trouble. The instant any serious trouble arose, decisive force should have been applied (where that was feasible, a meaningful subset of the total situations), and not a dime of assistance provided in areas that caused trouble (all such resources should have been ostentatiously shifted to other areas, maximizing the shift to non-Sunni areas to leave no doubt about the punitive nature of the change).
Unfortunately, you're talking about the same Sunnis who are blowing up their own next generation. They would accept "punitive" changes until they were so flat Gaza would look like Singapore in comparison.
When the Sunnis on the IGC threatened to resign over the first Fallujah operation, it was time to tell them good riddance, and let their entire community know they were making a fateful choice that would cost their entire communities.
This of course is the Tripartite Iraq Solution, which is the only one which will work, because it is the natural state of intransigent ethnicities who live next to each other, but it is the only option that is off the table. The script going in to OIF has always been "One Iraq". Imagine what veterans of Bosnia and Kosovo are thinking when they are deployed to another war zone, but this time they're supposed to fight to hold Iraq together, Yugoslavia style.
03:23:43 PM,
03:20:49 PM,
and
03:13:12 PM
Agreed
By the way, I saw yesterday that the local retail price for gasoline has fallen from 3.00 per gallon to 2.35 per gallon since the day before BP closed its Alaska pipeline processing facility.
Maybe a lot of companies depend upon STABILITY even more than LOW PRICES, there may have been a worldwide panic-buy of contracts in a frantic surge as Hurricane Katrina was bearing down on the Gulf Coast. My theory is that a wide spectrum of companies made long-term commitments to buying oil at premium prices fixed LONG-TERM (like for a YEAR), thinking they were thereby avoiding much higher prices and fluctuations over that period.
I don’t know. I’ve always been a fixed-interest mortgage kinda guy, never wanted to take a chance on an adjustable rate mortgage.
My grasp of economics is pretty darn primitive, so I’d appreciate a comment from someone who has a better understanding.
By the way, the point of mentioning the falling price of gasoline is that I expect there will be consequences.
People may relax, thinking, “There, things are going to be fine...”
Others will likely say, “It’s another Karl Rove PLOT to make us relax and think things are going to be fine!”
I have some relatives raising a family of four high-school age kids. The dad is a committed liberal (raised in Mass, so it’s understandable) but he owns a VAST SUV in which to transport his family safely. I would never think of challenging him on that decision...
2164th wrote:
'I am sick of the new American " No Can Do Attitude". If Brazil can eliminate or radically reduce the use of oil, the US can as well. There is no reason why the US cannot move to be a net energy exporter. If it takes taxes, use them. Subsidies use them. Coercion, coerce.'
Problem is -- that is not what has happened in Brazil. There is a lot of misinformation floating around (Now there's a surprise!) Brazil has a large rapidly-expanding offshore oil production industry, and a fairly modest ethanol production industry with a 'boom & bust' history over the last few decades. Brazil has absolutely positively NOT eliminated the use of oil.
But the point you (and others) make is a good one. Cutting the US dependence on imported oil would give the US a lot more flexibility -- including the option of simply shutting the door and letting today's largest fossil fuel importer (the EU) get on with looking after itself any way it sees fit.
In the US, we face a serious choice -- on the one hand dhimmitude; on the other hand, new nuclear plants, exploitation of shale oil, liquids fuels from hydrogenated coal, drilling in ANWR & offshore California & offshore Florida, new steel mills, etc. The elites today are staunchly environmentalist and thereby choosing dhimmitude by default. If we really thought we were at war, the choice would be different.
Maybe environmentalism is the "sacrifice" that the American people ought to make in support of the War on Terror.
Oil Talks, We Squawk, then Submit.
praise Oillah.
Fiddler has a question for you Bud.
kinuachdrach wrote:
In the US, we face a serious choice -- on the one hand dhimmitude; on the other hand, new nuclear plants, exploitation of shale oil, liquids fuels from hydrogenated coal, drilling in ANWR & offshore California & offshore Florida, new steel mills, etc. The elites today are staunchly environmentalist and thereby choosing dhimmitude by default. If we really thought we were at war, the choice would be different.
It's not just the environmentalist lobby keeping us from kicking the oil habit, it's the corn lobby. There's a stiff tariff on Brazillian ethanol. Make that zero, and not only US consumers would benefit, but
the money diverted from Saudi Arabia to Brazil would get plowed back into more ethanol infrastructure, and the whole thing would be off and running. But it's not going to happen with the start of the Presidential election season starting this weekend, and with Iowa caucuses positioned where they are so early.
About General Patton's accent:
Try listening to Atlanta natives... now THAT's an interesting accent. Love to understand how that came to be.
Inventories are high, Fiddler, and storage is limited. Gotta stimulate a little demand. Please ignore short-term cash-market perturbations. They are teeth on a saw blade. The line of the saw blade is wot you want to watch.
This short article carries a big, big punch. How does all this fit with General Abizaid’s plan?
“Kurds shun Saddam's flag and threaten to secede from Iraq”
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1302132006
the mad fiddler wrote:
Yoni’s post immediately preceding the one you linked to points out that the brave new EU is preparing a wide range of criminal charges against Israelis for allegations of "War Crimes"
Really. That's one Solution, I guess. Are the Europeans going to send the Israeli defendents to the gas chamber or just keep them in camps?
My theory is that a wide spectrum of companies made long-term commitments to buying oil at premium prices fixed LONG-TERM (like for a YEAR), thinking they were thereby avoiding much higher prices and fluctuations over that period.
My theory is that we've seen a very quiet hurricane season this year, so investors want to get their liquidity back so they move to the Next Big Thing, and it ain't housing either.
the mad fiddler wrote:
Yoni’s post immediately preceding the one you linked to points out that the brave new EU is preparing a wide range of criminal charges against Israelis for allegations of "War Crimes"
Really. That's one Solution, I guess. Are the Europeans going to send the Israeli defendents to the gas chamber or just keep them in camps?
My theory is that a wide spectrum of companies made long-term commitments to buying oil at premium prices fixed LONG-TERM (like for a YEAR), thinking they were thereby avoiding much higher prices and fluctuations over that period.
My theory is that we've seen a very quiet hurricane season this year, so investors want to get their liquidity back so they move to the Next Big Thing, and it ain't housing either.
occam whisker said:
Teresita, I’m glad you’ve decided to stay. The Belmont Club is richer for having your contributions.
Thank you, occam whisker. I do like to read and participate here. I've got all the good'uns and bad'uns sorted out now, I think.
Allen,
Did you see my Sistani link at 08:47:27 PM ?
It's on FOX, but not as part of the regular rotation, doug.
It's out of his hands, now.
Like Mr Model's father, there had been hope, but the people of Iraq have chosen sides. They had their election, you know.
Religion won, according to Mr Model Sr.
Not Mr Sistani's style of Religion, either. Or at least it seems today.
doug; 04:38:45 PM
re: Links
I used them, thanks!
The old Steam Plants at the Sugar refineries use "Bagasse" which is what's left over of the Cane after sugars are removed.
Big (200 hp) single cylinder steam engines!
Boiler heat has many other uses of course, and they used to sell electricity, don't know if they still do.
Scrotal Torque sounds like a great blog name, except that it would be overwhelmed with hits from the people looking for... well, you know.
Is there a demand for scrotal torques?
Or maybe a grunge band...
I guess I need to get out more.
Rufus pal, your killing me with these calculations. One more and I'll take the scrotal torque.
Rufus
Scrotal Torquer-mada
Scrotal Torque Armada
Scrotal Torquemada
Scrot Al-Torqimahda
Think that covers all the bases...
the mad fiddler wrote:
Scrotal Torque sounds like a great blog name, except that it would be overwhelmed with hits from the people looking for... well, you know.
For the National Organization of Women?
trish said:
The House is lost regardless - and the Senate, well, if we keep it, I'll be surprised. If we were pulling up stakes this minute, though, it wouldn't change that.
Fine by me. America works better when the two parties are in balance, keeping each other honest. Single party rule gave us the bridge to nowhere and the war to nowhere. Having the 'Pubs in the House and a Demo in the Oval Office gave us a balanced budget, a tech boom, and the End of Welfare As We Know It.
Ah ha! So that's why we're not really fighting in Iraq. We are busy doing a Vulcan mind meld with the enemy while our boys are being blown up by that same enemy. Well, goody for the all too bright US Generals. Jesus, if that is what it has come to then, indeed, lets pack it in.
So, teresita, let's elect another Bullmoose and get another Panama Canal dug!
I have made a similar point a number of times, Teresita.
If the Republicans were voted back in to the House, Senate, AND presidency for two full generations and more, we can be sure that a whole nest of vicious cheating bastards would manage to entrench themselves like ticks...
Worse: like tapeworms.
WORSE: Like the DEMOCRATS DID FROM the 1930's through the first mid-term elections of the Clinton Administration.
Imagine what a miserable place the world would be if ONLY Republican presidents had been appointing all the federal circuit and appellate court judges; if mainly Republican-dominated state legislatures had been passing all the state laws; If mainly Republican Congress & Senate had been deliberating on Republican budgets and Republican Nominees for all the Cabinet posts and Federal agency administrators...
Look at the shambles of Mexico, which was dominated by the "Institutional Revolutionary Party" for something like 80 uninterrupted years of their progressive, liberal, loving looting of the national cookie jar.
It would surely be a disaster.
Hmmmmm. That means we have another... oh, thirty or so years before we need to start worrying about that.
"Imagine what a miserable place the world would be if ONLY Republican presidents had been appointing all the federal circuit and appellate court judges;"
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I'd trade GWB's picks over what we got stretching back 70 years.
U.S. attempts to gain initiative in Africa with preemptive attack theory:
To sum up, the global redeployment of the US army three major, apparent hallmarks. First, it is carried out in the so-called "instable arc zone from Africa, Caucasus, Central Asia and South Asia to the Korean Peninsula.
Secondly, it takes frontier deployment with a deliberate attempt for preemptive attacks as the most salient feature and, thirdly, it serves the final goal of the United States in waging the war on terror and seeking the status for the world domination. The establishment of the African Command, according to some analytical viewpoints, signifies the US armed forces' new phase in its global military deployment.
Africa Theory
Well said, Will Rayford, but instead of packing, why don't they get serious?
Can always dream.
(doug, you *know* I was speaking ironically.)
Raymondshaw, I'm sure you are aware already... the person who created the system we call the world wide web is Sir Timothy John "Tim" Berners-Lee.
That's for the benefit of folks like me who came to the thing kinda late (I didn't look at a web page until 1995).
Such folks should look up ARPANET. Gore might deserve some credit for recognizing the importance of the internet — as a Senator — and thinking about how legislation should be tailored to help nurture it in its infancy...
A seaman he's not.
Quig,
I noticed you mates are land-poor!
ya know, all this talk of ethanol...
Early this summer I was off shore humping upwind motor sailing my sailboat because I needed to get my young family where we were going when the motor just quit, like it ran out of fuel but the gas tank was full. I pulled apart the water separator and she was full of water. I drained it, purged the lines and managed to get the beast going again.
Later while chatting about it an oil exploration guy cracked about how it was probably due to the increased levels of ethanol - seems the stuff absorbs more water....
Mrs. Irwin,
Thank you for Steve's life and legacy. I remember when my boys first excitedly told me there was this new show on cable called "The Crocodile Hunter".
We all got a hoot out of watching it back in those early days.
My prayers are with you and your family over your tragic loss.
p.s.
are y'all really so keen on government running things that you want top down enforced guvment enforced rations on all things oil related?...ah ya, TERROR, be afraid, very afraid and let guvment take care of ya!
Gore's team came up with a really good computerized profiling system:
Then the airlines and the A-rabs got involved.
Now we show the Immams secret areas at airports just to prove that the system is set up almost exactly the opossite of how it was originally conceived.
Smart.
opposite, oh well
IMO, one of Terri's problems, that seriously clouds her judgment, is that she is so color-blind and, er, "tribe-blind", that she can see Yao as a Pygmy, and vice-versa.
More or less reminds me of the "No Time for Sergeants" routine:
"Will, I see only an officer."
Will - "You mean you don't see a wom..."
"Nope, Will, I only see an officer."
Sorry, Bobal.
blue dress:
You forgot the Chicom space technology transfer.
And the weapons lab.
Oppossite ____
Clearly a subtle plug for "Oppossum-ite"
ash said:
are y'all really so keen on government running things that you want top down enforced guvment enforced rations on all things oil related?...ah ya, TERROR, be afraid, very afraid and let guvment take care of ya!
Maybe if the guv'mint started doing actual rationing like in the First and Second World Wars it would get people's attention and increase the political will to Git 'R Done. Right now we're running the Global War On Hijacked Islam like the war on breast cancer. Ross Perot's idea was a fifty cent war surcharge on gas (back when fifty cents was real money and not just how much gasoline prices swing between statements by Ahmadinejad), which I suppose is rationing by other means.
A helpful thing to recal vis-a-vis the Treaty of Westphalia. It was written at the conclusion of the 30 years war in Europe 1619-1649. The Treaty of Westphalia formally accepted protestants in the heart of catholic europe and the general ascendency of nation states over papal authority.
The reference to the Treaty is meant as a way to talk about the end of the nation state as the sole actor--especially European nation states-- in international relations.
Its well to recall however, that the 30 years war began as a dispute over the disposition of catholic church properties in then protestant provinces in Germany.
A similiar dispute is underway in the US epicopalian church.
The episcopalian church is a non state actor.
News paper reports have it that Brussels is looking to break up Britian as part of an effort "to roll out new 'transnational' regions which cross national boundaries, and help create a "United Europe".
It may well be that the work of the shadow party in the USA is to a similiar end.
charles wrote:
It may well be that the work of the shadow party in the USA is to a similiar end.
You know, back when Clinton was in office it was the right doing this Grand Conspiracy crap: black helicopters, HillaryCare(tm), Vince Foster's "suicide" and other assorted victims of the Clinton "body count", bar codes on the back of stop signs to guide the United Nations armored personnel carriers to the NRA trouble spots. But this is America, dagnabbit, people here don't go for that.
Teresita, I'm going to go around carefully checking all stop signs from now on, and carry a whacking great Black Marker...
Yep, habu, Soros and Theresa heinz-Kerry, and and the lot, with their Open Society Foundation and the Tides Foundation are doing it to us largely with our own tax money, to rub it in real gooood.
That they so hate GWB is almost enough reason to like him, right there, alone, before looking at a thing else.
habu, Texas, too, will stay 2nd Amendment, regardless of what the Tranzis might achieve in the future, vis-a-vis the upper 49.
rufus, naw, all he does is break national banks here and there, why should he be in jail?
Jail is for stealing that loaf o bread, not for stealing the savings of middle classes in England and such as that.
habu (8:59):
I am also concerned about the machinations of George Soros. He comes across to me as a latter-day Wallenstein.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallenstein
I do not want a civil war, and woe be to anyone who tries to foment one within the United States of America.
Andrew Jackson woulda caned a Soros clean outta the country. An "executive order".
"I'm sorry I upset you so" is not an apology per se. A derivative of an apology, perhaps.
While we're on the Curse of the Left, take a scroll thru the latest from Mexico--sounds as tho The Rads are running into a little backpush.
Habu_3:
"And I'm figuring because of their personal ideologies their closets are devoid of an arsenal such as mine."
Personally, I would suspect that a good number of our leftist neighbors are armed - recall Rosie O'Donnell, bigtime anti private firearm ownership, getting busted for having either a handgun, or a security team member with a handgun.
The message, whether or not she ever intended to communicate it, was "I'm your better in every measure, hence it's ok for me to be armed for self-defense purposes. As for all you knuckle-draggers out there, you aren't fit to make any meaningful decisions about your own meaningless lives. We, the Enlightned Ones, will make them for you. Decision #1: No guns for you."
I still think we're eventually in for a period of Cowboys & Muslims... I sincerely hope we avoid that, however, AND that we avoid Cowboys & NGO's......
Cowboys and Democrats are off the table, Triton?
Armand Hammer & Occidental Petroleum are patrons of the Gore Family of Tennessee, as well as old friends of the Bolsheviks. The lines run deep.
Sanitation is very healthy for a person or a nation.
Ya, likewise. Don't let the bedbugs bite.
Habu, remember when Teddy Kennedy’s personal bodyguard was stopped carrying a huge number of rounds and several automatic weapons?
Remember the revelations that Rosie O’Donnell, Michael Moore, and a number of other Leftist Anti-Gun celebrities keep themselves guarded at all times by heavily-armed personal bodyguards?
God damned lying elitist hypocrites.
It would be a good exercise for folks to visit Amazon.com site for Josh Sugarman’s propaganda book “Every Handgun Is Aimed at YOU”.
There are a few interesting opposing reviews, some with very specific claims and statistics. For instance, a couple of Aussies identified as some sort of official academic types, speak very favorably of the massive Governmental buy-back (and voluntary surrender by some) after a couple of particularly gruesome massacres done with “assault rifles.”
Their defense of this unilateral dis-armament by the population does NOT give any statistics whatsoever to support the notion that fatalities from violent crimes have actually dropped. They only show that deaths from the sorts of weapons that have been outlawed and rounded up have diminished.
Great.
Bill Whittle, essayist and author of the wonderful site ejectejecteject.com wrote an eloquent article entitled “Freedom” a few years back, beginning with his remembered perplexion at seeing a picture of hundreds of prisoners guarded by a handful of armed Nazi soldiers, marching to their execution.
In the 20th century, damn near as many humans were murdered by their own governments as died as combatants in actual wars. Murdered by secret police, regular army, and various prison guards, in slow, deliberate, more or less passionless routine.
One of the early pieces of legislation — the Waffengesetzenacted by Hitler’s National Socialists when they came to power was to outlaw private ownership of militarily useful guns, and to forbid trade in weapons without a government-issued license. Once that had been done, the Nazis were then able to collect the guns, then collect the people, transport them, and slaughter them with little trouble.
Sure, I’m simplifying things. But the point is that, despite all the sneering protests of Liberals to the contrary, the point of the 2nd amendment guarantee of the right to bear arms is the ability of citizens to protect themselves from tyrannical government.
Considering the UN’s recent pronouncement that it does not find any fundamental right of citizens to “self-defense” it is all the more important to devote some serious thinking to where you stand on gun ownership and gun control legislation.
Just checked the Air America site. Don't want to give them my time, name, email, or the benefit of adding even my listening to their statistical claims for "market penetration."
I did notice a headline passing along "rumors" that Hillary is tilting away from a presidential run, if poor lil Harry Reid can be persuaded to hand over Democratic Senate Leadership to her.
My brother says the only real reason she has for getting back in the White House is to collect the remaining silverware she missed in looting the place as she and Bill were moving out.
Hey! Anyone know what's going on with the sumbitch that had embezzled Boys&Girls Club funds to prop up Air America last year?
Great posts on energy Rufus. The worrying thing about gun control, is that the more influential parts of the US are disarming themselves. Many parts of the country are going un-hunted, and families that were once gun owners are having children that are not. That takes a toll over time.
Of course in the case of Ginsburg, she will not cycle anywhere but out.
For some reason Hewitt was once optimistic that might happen:
Does she have a health problem?
I think there are several more people running this time following the trend toward more and more people of wealth/buying their way in.
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To the degree it is backed up by any kind of enforcement mechanism, doesn't PC only differ from dhimitude by degree?
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c4,
your critique of those methods of nuke tracking seems on target, but i have to wonder if you can add more sensors to the equation and at least ensure that nukes are not being ferried in certain areas. tracking them around the globe would provide alot of useless information, as in a hurricane that exists in the middle of the ocean.
you need to only track them where you think they will be and where they shouldnt be and where they will do harm, just as you would with a girlfriend (or boyfriend).
the logistics question is the one with the most powerful whiff of difficulty.
how do we get knowledge of nukes that are somewhere secret that will go to somwhere we sort of know?
maybe its a political question, to be answered by treaties and alliances
or maybe its a technological question, to be answered by clever design of sensors and software
or maybe its a teresita question, to be answered by MS paint renderings of Star Wars lore.
SIDENOTE anyone wonder why Teresita only draws the Imperial star ships and NEVER the honorable JEDI?
makes one wonder...
interesting times.
C-4,
It is hard to argue with your logic which if simply stated, is that religious or ethnic groups that support particular public causes are legitimate subjects for debate. We have had recent examples where Chinese-American scientists became a focus of attention because of some high profile espionage cases. The current scrutiny of Muslims is the most obvious. It is expected that blacks will support causes that benefit blacks.
Most of your posts receive an immediate rebuke from Jewish posters and clearly it is a lot less respectable and popular to question Jewish influence on events than Catholic or Muslim or fundamentalist Christian. You further argue that Jews have a diproportionate influence for their numbers. That could not be argued with Catholics or Muslims because of their sheer numbers. Catholic influence would be proportinate and following your logic acceptable.
Now assuming your concern is over the resultant affect the particular group has over society or politics, then the focus of your concern is the outcome. For example, the ACLU is offensive to most of your audience. George Soros equally so, and I will accept your premise that George Soros is Jewish and the ACLU is composed of mostly Jews, but where do you go with that information? The mafia was primarily Catholic and Italian, but where do you go with that?
Clearly there is a socialistic bent to parts of Jusaism. there is as well with Catholocism. Almost all European Communist countries were Catholic, but what does it mean beyond that? I am Catholic, very conservative in most issues, and I love my religion and my country. I am aware of the failings of the Church and open to discussions about it with intelligent thoughtful people. However, there is a line that if I think is crossed, stirs me up.
I respect your intelligence and insights. I admire your willingness to probe conventional thinking, but I challenge you to explain to me what is your motivation and what is your conclusion to the Jewish connection you see in these issues that has become a theme to your writing. Assume everything you say is factually correct to some degree. What do you want to happen with that information? What is your motivation and what are your wished for goals?
The Mad Fiddler wrote:
Hey! Anyone know what's going on with the sumbitch that had embezzled Boys&Girls Club funds to prop up Air America last year
Brian Maloney is on Al Franken like white on rice. Always worth a visit.
aspergersgentleman wrote:
SIDENOTE anyone wonder why Teresita only draws the Imperial star ships and NEVER the honorable JEDI?
I also root for Caesar in Maureen McCollough's Masters of Rome series. Call me old school.
quiq said:
Are you proposing we breed ourselves into a position where it will be unnecessary to transport food at all? That is to say there will be so many of us that we will, of necessity, live beside our food source?
A few years ago they used to worry about the "Population Bomb" but that bomb is turning out to be a dud and they are starting to worry about population decline now, since folks in "advanced" countries aren't popping out rugrats fast enough to replace themselves. The USA would be in a slow decline were it not for the good Catholic folks (with Western values) coming up here applying for jobs from the south and becoming full Americans through the time-honored melting pot procedure, even if Pat Buchanan is in a snit. In Europe, the parallel is the folks coming up from North Africa and Pakistan. The difference is the immigrants in Europe aren't integrating into the economy or European society in general, resulting in a growing Eurabia that is displacing old Europe. The fun part will be when Eurabia gets big enough that sharia law is imposed throughout the continent. That's when all those Brussels bureaucrats and Parisian appeasers will get handed the shit sandwich they are ordering right now out of jealousy of American wealth and power, and they'll have to eat every bite.
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