Friday, September 01, 2006

The Road

Unfortunately I don't own a television set. But ABC's Path 9/11 is certain to raise the stakes in one of the biggest memetic battles of the War on Terror: who to blame for the attack on Manhattan. In a broad sense, a fairly large part of the public has already concluded it's America's fault, as put forward by Ward Churchill's Justice of Roosting Chickens. But for those unwilling to accept the "little Eichmanns" theory of guilt, there is apparently enough grist in the coming miniseries to make everyone unhappy. For example, the Frontpage advance preview describes this scene:

One astonishing sequence in "The Path to 9/11" shows the CIA and the Northern Alliance surrounding Bin Laden’s house in Afghanistan. They're on the verge of capturing Bin Laden, but they need final approval from the Clinton administration in order to go ahead. They phone Clinton, but he and his senior staff refuse to give authorization for the capture of Bin Laden, for fear of political fall-out if the mission should go wrong and civilians are harmed. National Security Adviser Sandy Berger in essence tells the team in Afghanistan that if they want to capture Bin Laden, they'll have to go ahead and do it on their own without any official authorization. That way, their necks will be on the line - and not his. The astonished CIA agent on the ground in Afghanistan repeatedly asks Berger if this is really what the administration wants. Berger refuses to answer, and then finally just hangs up on the agent. The CIA team and the Northern Alliance, just a few feet from capturing Bin Laden, have to abandon the entire mission. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda shortly thereafter bomb the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, killing over 225 men, women, and children, and wounding over 4000. The episode is a perfect example of Clinton-era irresponsibility and incompetence. (More follows)


The objection to such scenes of course is that it's "only TV". And the natural rebuttal is "it's on TV". Michael Barone at US News takes a magnifier to the scene described above.

One gripping scene shows Massoud's forces--and CIA agents surrounding bin Laden's encampments and then being called back when National Security Adviser Sandy Berger refuses to give a go-ahead for the operation. That scene, according to 9/11 commission Chairman Thomas Kean, an adviser to the film, is a conflation of a number of events; during the question period, commission member Richard Ben-Veniste, perhaps the most partisan member of the commission, said that it misrepresented what actually happened. But, as Kean pointed out, the Clinton administration did decline a number of opportunities to get bin Laden.

And yes, the show is a dramatized re-enactment.

The film was shot with 16-millimeter cameras and is edited in an edgy style suggesting hand-held cameras. The fascinating footage of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Sudan was actually shot in Morocco; most of the rest of the film was shot in Toronto, with some scenes shot in Washington and New York.

But if recent events are any yardstick, pulling back just as the enemy was on the ropes has been the story of modern public life. Everyone is accused of missing the boat -- whether the voyage is described as the opportunity to 'engage' Syria, destroy Hezbollah, 'reconcile' with Iran or stop Bin Laden -- we're all left at the dock and the ship of history sails on.

210 Comments:

Blogger Roderick said...

OK, so it was a dramatization, but whatever the reality was, it was compelling enough to make Sandy Berger stuff documents down his pants.

9/01/2006 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger Alexis said...

I would imagine one could have an interesting time travel story with a squad of assassins from the future converging on Beirut circa 1975, trying to find a naive rich young playboy named Osama bin Laden.

At the time, it would have seemed to be cold-blooded murder, but given the chaotic circumstances of the time, it would have chalked up as yet another casualty among thousands to come.

Life is full of missed opportunities and near misses with death. Was the Clinton administration irresponsible? Of course. But I think that many of Clinton's supporters wanted him to be irresponsible. And I think much of the hatred against President Bush is because he isn't irresponsible enough. Part of the voter appeal of both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush was that they seemed to lack interest in foreign policy -- much the same appeal that Warren G. Harding had after the disaster of the Wilson administration.

We are dealing with the forces of ballyhoo. Those who are serious about opposing al-Qaeda are virulently opposed by people who want the hedonistic celebration of frivolity to go on forever. Senseless killing doesn't outrage them, but any thought of stopping the party does. Genocide in some far-off place doesn't interest them, but celebrity scandal does. Just like the post WWI era, we are dealing with a media culture that worships at the altar of spectacle.

One wonders if Fascism is a militaristic expression of ballyhoo, where atrocity is glorified so long as it can be dressed up as entertainment.

9/01/2006 11:23:00 PM  
Blogger Cedarford said...

The efforts to "get" Bin Laden are only important to an older mindset we got from the so-called "counter-terror masters", the Israelis, who believed that killing a "single, evil mastermind" would collapse the whole organization and cause.

We know better today.

Radical Islam is an ideology pushed by over 60 different Muslim groups that use terror as a tactic, of which Al Qaeda is one of the larger groups. They are networked, not hierarchial, and have ample people in the wings waiting to take over. As the "masters", the Israelis, have ruefully found out now -dealing with their 3rd Hezbollah leader and 7th or 8th Hamas leader after a chain of "targeted killings".

So it would be interesting to ask the hypothetical. So what if the CIA whacked Binnie. Would that make all Global Jihad end as it all unravled without the Nefarious Great One, the Brains of Al Terror? Even "have stopped 9/11?".

Highly inlikely in the latter case. impossible in the former case.

Binnie approved 9/11 in about a ten minute meeting, as a presented package deal that KSM and a few other underlings had devised as a follow-on to the failed Bojinko Plot. KSM ran it as project manager, and Binnie said his involvement was limited to two things - approving it and selecting Saudis to be the brainless muscle and not be told it was a martydom mission - just a hijacking.

Replace him with Ayman, Mohammed Atef, or other prestigious Al Qaeda untouched in Binnies assassination? They would have approved it just as readily as bin Laden did.

Same with the people, mostly wishful thinking liberals, that think that "getting the Great White Whale" will reorder and stabilize the universe...radical Islam ends....and the world returns to happy pre-9/11 days where terror is just a minor nuisance. They also fixate on "getting Bin Laden" as the most important criminal justice matter yet to be won - ignoring this is a war, not a criminal investigation with arrest warrants issued. And of course harp on "getting Bin Laden" as the Only Priority because it embarasses Bush.

My own worst fear is Binnie has been using his 5 years to write his own "My Struggle" book and prep himself legally, going back on his stated intention never to be taken alive. So he can step out and turn himself in to a network of America's best PR people, ACLU Jews, and academia to demand a trial in America, preferably liberal NYC - to vindicate his name and cause and the legitimacy of the 4 targets chosen after he formally declared war on the USA in 1998. Or to say he is ready to seek martyrdom after having 4-5 years in the US legal system and enough TV and media interviews to say what he needs to to a global audience before his trial stage speeches - and 5-6 years on death row await where he can spiritually mentor others and write more missals.

Any book he has written would be a bestseller. Or he might have just decided to lay low, not write, and crank out another 10-12 new little Binnies on top of the 22 he has already sired.

Anyone who is someone in the Trial Lawyer community, Law Schools, Publishing industry, Talent Agents, ACLU - would trample over their own mother, give their left nut to be a Formal Contract Representative furthering the goals of Team Bin Laden. Millions could be made. Reputations elevated by being in a deal 100X bigger than OJ.

But whatever happens with Binnie, radical Islam will continue on until the ideology - not just celebrity actors of it - is confronted and hopefully defeated.
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The other thing is America's somewhat dysfunctional democracy typically fails to do anything until a undeniable crisis hits or lots of blood is shed.

Which means 9/11 was a relatively trivial war attack, as wars go, but it was just enough blood shed to finally educate Americans at maybe the lowest cost in lives necessary to do so. Right now the feeling seems to be growing that 9/11 was a fairly small thing compared to what happens in real wars...that no attacks since then show there is little cause for concern - and America can best be served by People shopping. Enjoying their tax cuts. Doing something nice for a neighbor. Doing whatever anoyone in a government security uniform tells them to do. Buying a Chinese-made American flag to wave.

9/02/2006 12:00:00 AM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

It tells us everything we need to know about the morals and ethics of Clinton and his administration compared to Bush and his people, to see that Clinton has attempted to coerce the head of ABC to suppress or alter the documentary dealing with his treatment of the threat, and his National Security Advisor Mr. Berger admitted in court to mis-handling, stealing, and destroying critical documents and memos about their anti-terror actions.

Moral lepers, every one.

9/02/2006 12:06:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

It looks as thought a glich hit the BC. I hope no one was hurt..

Perhaps lost in the ether was my apology to DR for disagreements and ad hominem attacks on him in the past.
Perhaps enough BC'ers saw the side by side comparison of my defense against being accuse of calling our "host a liar, in a manner" by DR. The record clearly stated otherwise but that now is neither here nor there. Someone no doubt archived it and could produce it if the so chose to do so. It would, for my purpose here, serve to do nothing but add fuel to a fire I am trying to extinguish.
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DR.
I am sure you are a fine man, one of courageous service to our country. You make valuable and penetrating posts to almost all threads. Unfortunately we have been at cross swords for some time and to no end. I offer the extended hand of peace and an apology for ad hominems used by me in the past. This extends to my fellow Marine ,your son. Let us scabbard those swords and move forward making BC what it can best be, a great forum for discussion of important topics. I know men make mistakes and I have made my fair share. Let's begin anew.
Best regards,
Habu

9/02/2006 02:35:00 AM  
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9/02/2006 03:04:00 AM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

"laugh a little"

9/02/2006 03:04:00 AM  
Blogger whit said...

For what it's worth, (admittedly not much.) I will never forget seeing Sandy Berger being interviewed on television and thinking, "Man! This guy is drunk." He was on national tv, disheveled and slurring like crazy.

9/02/2006 03:12:00 AM  
Blogger 2164th said...

C-4 makes an interesting argument.

Five years after 911, there are two icons that tell us where we are. The missing OBL and the missing Twin Towers. They are important symbols demonstrating the America of the new millenia.

The America of today is a country and a society mired in legal procedure and process. The process has become more important than the need for survival or the ability to set an agenda for the future. America is being destroyed, and I use the term carefully, destroyed, by two repugnant repressive philosophies, Islam and Legalism. And it is not Islamic anything else. It is the very nature and soul of the beast. It is a hideous cult riddled through it's very DNA with everything that Western Civilisation has worked to eliminate from human society. Yet it achieves moral equivalency, protection and sanction from the bane of American Society, lawyers.

lawyers have infected and destroyed the can-do America. The city that built the Empire State Building in one year and forty five days cannot start to rebuild two buildings in five years. Why, not because of Islam or the man that called for them to be felled, no it is because of the cult of legal imams that rule all aspects of American society. American lawyers in a generation and a half could not have changed a society more had they declared a fatwa and made their own jihaad against America. We cannot conduct and fight a war or the fundamental problem with Islam because of them.

C-4 in his post says something we all know to be true: ..."Anyone who is someone in the Trial Lawyer community, Law Schools, Publishing industry, Talent Agents, ACLU - would trample over their own mother, give their left nut to be a Formal Contract Representative furthering the goals of Team Bin Laden. Millions could be made. Reputations elevated by being in a deal 100X bigger than OJ. "...

The jihaad is being fought by an army of one times a billion and a half. The American repsonse is being hampered and directed by an army that terrorises and distorts all aspects of American life. The twin jihaad against American continues until we say, Enough.

9/02/2006 03:57:00 AM  
Blogger Quig said...

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9/02/2006 04:28:00 AM  
Blogger Quig said...

Regretablly I have to agree with 2164th's assesment.
The same malaise affects Australia. We are unable to jail a confessed terrorist because he did not have a lawyer present when interrogated in Pakistan. Even when, following his aquittal, he repeated his confession on national television.

9/02/2006 04:47:00 AM  
Blogger Quig said...

William Shakespeare; King Henry VI Part 2; Act 4. Scene II
DICK
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

9/02/2006 04:54:00 AM  
Blogger phil g said...

C-4 would re-write that script to say, "first kill all of the JOOOs".

9/02/2006 05:04:00 AM  
Blogger Cedarford said...

2164th - no it is because of the cult of legal imams that rule all aspects of American society. American lawyers in a generation and a half could not have changed a society more had they declared a fatwa and made their own jihaad against America. We cannot conduct and fight a war or the fundamental problem with Islam because of them.

On mark. Our legal imams have pretty well paralyzed America and made us non-competitive. They have accumulated power and gummed up the works and destroyed the democratic process so much that we are as stultified and as checked in our conduct as the Muslims are, without the lawyers offering us as good a deal - no Paradise, just bills and added tax costs.

Some other thoughts:

1. This war is not about 9/11, the Almighty Victims Families, the tactic of terror, or just one of the 60 active Muslim radical groups or the small cells or individuals autonomously starting Jihad. This war is not going to be won by building billion-dollar Pander-Fest memorials to "The 9/11 Heroes", nor considering the ultimate authority on CIA reforms, counter-terror strategy, skyscraper communications. Anymore than WWII was wone by listening to the Families of the Pearl Harbor Victims as the ultimate moral authority, memorial experts, and proper focus of war production.

It is about the ideology, radical Islam, and stopping it.

2. "Getting" bin Laden before 9/11 would not have changed anything. Others existed in that one radical Islamist group ready to take over. The plot was well into concept without Binnie. The 1996 and 1998 Fatwas were signed by plenty of people other than Binnie.

3. Given our knowledge that the enemy is far more diffused and complex than our original vision of the "CEO of Terror" meme, what Clinton was trying to do made a ton of sense. I say that as someone who once thought killing the one Evil Mastermind of All Terror and the Brains of It All - would have prevented 9/11, and blamed Clinton and Bush's 1st 9 months of doing nothing. We can complain that his lawyerly inner circle fixating on "criminal law enforcement" was indeed badly messed up and still infects 80% of the nations lawyers..But bottom line, if Clinton HAD hit Binnie, the 9/11 Plot was well underway with no real input from Binnie. It wouldn't have made a difference. Nor, without a 9/11 happening, would he have been able to muster the political or international agreement to invade Afghanistan in force.

4. What Clinton did was show the Muslim world goodwill in two wars undertaken by the US partially for their welfare, and he made a valiant but doomed effort (Bush himself may be defending a valiant but doomed effort soon as his own definitive international legacy...) to get Final Borders and a ME stabilization deal - stopped only by final intransigence from both the Zionists and the Palestinians over Right of Return and minor Border issues.

5. While who is "most at fault" for 9/11 is a minor matter akin to "who is to blame for failing to stop the Japs at Pearl" compared to the actual war....my own vote is the FBI. Long, long ago, the FBI had gotten primary counter-espionage responsibility, and they seized on counter-terror despite it being an exceptionally bad fit as a way to further expand FBI poer and influence. And then became so wrapped up in old ways, "The Book" of ancient FBI rules and regs, hamstrung by PC and lawyers they failed badly.

6. The real priority must be the ideological war. Getting allies, getting consensus amongst those allies because the US military cannot win this - especially when the enemy is still not to be spoken openly of, no sacrifice is asked of the American people, and we have no real strategy or communications effort - nor is Bush addressing the key hotspot - Palestine. The next President will hopefully be more like Clinton (with less "lawyering"), using all tools of American power vs. Bush's preference for using just the military one.

7. The Neocon vision and influence over Bush is pretty well at it's end. Iraq was a series of major postwar blunders, our other initiatives have also largely been curtailed so Iraq can be the sole focus - a most unfortunate thing. Sharansky Likudnik democracy was more harm than good. Liberating the Muslims so women can cast off their burquas sounds hopelessly ignorant only 5 years later.

9/02/2006 06:08:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Yep, Osama, a cat with at least 9 lives.
From 17 Apr 02
The Tora Bora story. When General Franks said "No" to "getting" Osama.

Not enough proof, verification or perhaps will to send in a Bn of Rangers or Marines, or to really bomb the area from the air.

habu,
it don't mean nothin'

9/02/2006 06:16:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

You're hot tonight, C4.

Rock on.

On the idealogical front, here are two indications that the penny is dropping.

First, the incomparable John Howard from Oz.

More cerebral, but possibly not as effective, we have satanic delusions from Foreign Policy.

The only cure for lawyers is for

Legislaters to legislate in plain English;

Judges to stop them making a circus out of their courts.

ADE

9/02/2006 06:36:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Bravecrotch

9/02/2006 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

You're a sick, sick man Doug.

Love it.

ADE (on two)

9/02/2006 07:09:00 AM  
Blogger trangbang68 said...

Agree with Cedarford,we fight an ideology not a hyper mastermind criminal.Plenty of maddogs in that kennel.
That said,if history means anything,getting it right is very important.Clinton and crew were craven cowards when it came to confronting the stormtroopers in headscarves and it needs to be said,before we turn over the keys to the Bradleys and Abrams to them.Wouldn't fight then,won't fight now.Bush may not have always known which end the round comes out ,but at least he understood you have to pull the trigger.
Cedarford,by the way,every puke lawyer eating the entrails out of our culture is not a Jew.Its a shame you can make a cogent point,but insist on tainting it with the usual.
Habu,what doctor prescribed those nice pills to you?It's alright to bring an edge to this alley fight.

9/02/2006 07:11:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Trangbang,
Habu is enjoying a "vacation" at Dr Iron's Farm in Northern CA.
Dr Irons has begun writing prescriptions in the form of poetry.
I think it's good stuff.

9/02/2006 07:26:00 AM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

The advantage to fighting Nanny Wars is that you need only a small footprint.

The disadvantage is that you must rely on allies who may or may not be reliable.

Since it's not likely that the USA is going on a conquering spree anytime soon the only script in play is the Nanny War. You can bitch and moan about it but that's the way it is and likely to remain for many years to come.

9/02/2006 07:28:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Can't find whit's comment about the need to "Iraqify" in one of these threads, but in this Army Times piece, it says Sept 2 is the day.
That would be now.
We'll see.
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Sober Report from Iraq

...However, terrorists have not derailed the central government or its political process, according to the report, and the “center is holding.”

Iraqi security forces are assuming the lead in operations and taking over for more American and other coalition forces, Rodman said, adding that the Iraqi Ground Forces Command is expected to stand up Sept. 2.
LINK
Also:
Liberating Anah Check out the video from an AV-8B Harrier jet as a suicide bomber attacks Apache Company, 4th Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, in Anah, Iraq.
Secrets of their success

9/02/2006 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger 3Case said...

I love these sentences"

"Those who are serious about opposing al-Qaeda are virulently opposed by people who want the hedonistic celebration of frivolity to go on forever. Senseless killing doesn't outrage them, but any thought of stopping the party does. Genocide in some far-off place doesn't interest them, but celebrity scandal does."

They are so true.

As to ObL, if we catch and/or kill him, we will not be allowed to continue killing his cohorts and minions.

In the Simple Mind (captured by the quote above), capture of ObL means it's time to stop the fight and party harder; an extension of the mind that does not reflect on what the nature of the documents could have been that would cause a man of the (presumed) background and stature of Sandy Berger to go waddling out of the National Archives with a host of original government documents loading up his drawers.

9/02/2006 07:42:00 AM  
Blogger trangbang68 said...

Doug,
I couldn't make the video link work
on that Anah,Iraq action.It had interest as my old homeboy in basic training and AIT,Terry Colangelo of Massachusetts served some hard months in the 4th of the 23rd Manchus in Tay Ninh province many brushwars ago.What's with Apache company versus Alpha?Is there a new phonetic alphabet?
It might be fun to invent one for the military if the Queen Bee gets elected in 2008.Let's see A=Amazon battalion,B=Bulldyke,.....

9/02/2006 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

3case,
Mr Bergler has paid his debt to society.
Isn't that enough?
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PBS Has a great piece on O'neill somewhere, I'll try to find it.

Hope the ABC Piece also shows Barbara Bodine kicking O'neill out of Yemen while he was investigating Cole.

What a sad, tragic, catastrophic story of a great terror-fighter being destroyed by a giant unthinking, unfeeling, disfunctional, corrupt, beauracracy/Govt.

9/02/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Trangbang,
I had the same problem, kept poking around on it, waiting, and eventually it came up.
(click screen, play button, reload, etc)

9/02/2006 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

T=Tereshita Rose'

9/02/2006 08:01:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Maybe should try Video link from Army Times Homepage?

9/02/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

I'm very relieved you stopped at "B", trangbang.

9/02/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger hdgreene said...

I think Sandy Berger stuffing documents down his drawers was "On the Road from MandidIfuckup."

The left counts on selling an "Ideal illusion" to gain power. The conservatives and classic liberals sell an "improved but imperfect reality." In the "We could have got Bin Laden" scene, the Ideal Illusion cuts against the left, hence the sudden conversion to "realism" (it would not have stopped 9/11 because the chickens were coming home to roost and roast in a 9/11 type event).

Of course no one action will solve the problem. But often that is an argument for taking no action.

Perhaps the time to kill Iconic figures is before they have done enough to become Icons or after they have done too much. Arafat departed well past his "sell by date" (though in his case it was the "Sell and buy and stab in the back" dates.) We're near that point with Bin Laden.

The reason you kill terror leaders is to create rivalries in the organization. Ideally, three or four folks have a shot at becoming leader after the tragic event. Also, you want them not trusting each other. So you don't say, "we are tracking Bin Laden through his Cell Phone Conversations." Rather, let them suspect each other -- the Valerie Plame episode with bullets instead of subpoenas.

The folks who create an organization of this sort are often competent but will select the middle managers on the basis of personal loyalty more than competence (the competent could become rivals).

So if you kill skilled operational leaders you can create rivalries and sow mistrust in the organization -- and tend to force those who are the most ruthless towards the top and those who are the most competent out or under.

9/02/2006 08:06:00 AM  
Blogger whit said...

hd said:
"The reason you kill terror leaders is to create rivalries in the organization."

Yep, that and they just need killin'.

Git er done!

9/02/2006 08:12:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Top-drawer post, hdgreene. Cleans up a little fuzzy spot about the target-value of the enemy's charismatics.

9/02/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger whit said...

For you effete non-television watchers And if you want a more refined explanation here’s Wikipedia

9/02/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger trangbang68 said...

I'm feelin ya Whit!Yeah and they just need killin'.That about sums it up doesn't it?Are you listening,official Washington?

9/02/2006 08:33:00 AM  
Blogger Ilia Capitolina said...

Cedarford writes: The efforts to "get" Bin Laden are only important to an older mindset we got from the so-called "counter-terror masters", the Israelis, who believed that killing a "single, evil mastermind" would collapse the whole organization and cause.


Cedarford, have you anything to support this assertion?

To me it seems that the Israelis were left with that poor option, that of killing a "single, evil mastermind", because all other avenues to address Islamo fascists have been politically blocked by their political master, namely the US. I'm sure more than one of the passing Israeli administrations would have liked nothing less than to have Palistan "wiped off the map". These expensive experiments, democratic Iraq and democratic Palistan, will soon terminate at their natural end. That terminal point is coming. So what's after? I think that "wiping them off the map" is what's after.




I wanted to post this in the other thread, but it is now been locked so I’ll post this here because it’s relevant to what I wrote above.

Teresita,

In WAR you KILL your enemy into submission. And if it will not submit, you kill it till it’s dead and gone. That’s the “morality” of war.

9/02/2006 08:38:00 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

KILL THEM ALL

9/02/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger Alexis said...

The ideology we fight is older than Islam.

9/02/2006 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

DR,


Sorry to trouble you, but your anwer was a bit to cryptic for me to clearly understand.

Do you acept my apology and shall we move forward on the merits of our various positions on things or do we just remain at loggerheads.
Sorry to be so thick about it but it's either yes, I accept or no I don't accept. The all will be clear. Dr, "it don't mean noth'in leaves too wide a gap for interpretation. It don't mean oth'n as in ,my apology don't mean noth'in or "it don't mean noth'in" meaning the invective hurled at each other in the past "don't mean noth'in.
I wanna make sure I understand what you're saying.
Thanks,
Habu

9/02/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Clinton has attempted to coerce the head of ABC to suppress or alter the documentary ...

To me, the issue is WHICH Clinton?

Bill trying to retroactively give himself a not-incompetent better name, or Hillary trying to set herself up for a future where she would once again be in a position to make world-class mistakes.

9/02/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

habu, permit me, your confusion stems from the "double negative": if something doesn't mean nothing, then it does mean something.

However (and this is why language have rul zinem) in this case you should mentally "correct" the error introduced by the vernacular useage, and interpret the meaning as "forget it, it didn't mean anything."

9/02/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Buddy,
that is an old Viet Nam GI expression, "Don't mean nothing", which roughly translated to "just forget it", or "no big deal"

9/02/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

TigerHawk understands the phenomenonemum:

9/02/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger 2164th said...

There also was, IHTFP, which had two meanings.

9/02/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy,
Thanks for explaining what Dr MIGHT have meant.

I'd enjoy seeing a clear,concise, unequivical response, an "up" or "down" on the now twice offered
rapproachment. A rhetorically nuanced response will not clear the air, it will only leave the question a conundrum.
It wouldn't be a deal but his reponse came in the form of a post script to another poster, as opposed to my two direct posts to him. I believe he can articulate his meaning with complete clarity, directed directly to me,not by a postscript. I do appreciate your position as interlocutor for DR but ,as I have clearly stated he is an honorable man and I am sure he can address this head on directly to me. DR, over to you.

9/02/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Polite form of "don't mean s...?"

9/02/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Well, ok, habu, but I would ask you to remember how complicated these things can get.

9/02/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

I can recall some of my initial posts here at BC were cocsistently thematic ....kill the enemy. Use ever tool in the box. Have no mercy. Napalm,WP, tac-nukes, Nukes of Earl.
I praise the tacitics of Gen Curtis Lemay,(club still open for membership,no dues, just chant Curtis Lemay once with feeling) and his bombing mix.
It is some months later and it is gratifying to see more posters coming to the same conclusion..mercilessly kill the bastards.

9/02/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger 2164th said...

It started life as a black expression, usually went, "sh..........t man, (slight pause) don't mean nuffin, (slightly longer pause) f****k. turns head and laughs.

9/02/2006 10:46:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy,
I understand, that is why clarity, "yes" i do accept your apology, or "no" i don't accept it is important.

9/02/2006 10:46:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

occam's whiskers; 08:38:05 AM

You misunderstand dear C4. The focus of his brief is not OBL or 911. No, these provide only the backdrops for his genuine interest: blaming the Joos. Were C4 an astrophysicist, he would find an argument to use in blaming Jews for black holes and anti-matter.

Additionally, as an emotionalist, C4 is unconstrained by evidence; instead, he presumes a feeling a thought and an opinion a fact. Thus, as you may have seen over several past threads, I have unsuccessfully attempted to elicit from C4 an answer to a very simple question.

On your address to teresita, consider this:

Massacre on Wake Island
http://www.ussyorktown.com/
yorktown/massacre.html

Wake Island was but an infinitesimal example of Japanese barbarity. From the point of view of their victims, the atomic bombs were only a small repayment.

9/02/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger 3Case said...

Doug,

Last I checked "paying one's debt to society" is a long way fromsociety guaranteeing the miscreant it will get amnesia as to the miscreant's deeds.

Note: I did not couch my response in terms of society pardoning the miscreant Bergler as I fully expect their will be, one day, another Dem Presidency and Mr. Bergler will be pardon sometime there within.

And...whatever bit of nefarity he was about, Mr. Bergler more than deserves to be remembered for engaging in a bit of physical comedy worthy of Oliver Hardy, Lou Costello or the Stooge Curly in his waddle with State secrets...and he did it complete with National Archives security providing a Keystone Kops reprise in support.

9/02/2006 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Nothing is real.

9/02/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

It seems a safe bet to say that few of us imperfect humans, limited of vision and facts, will be able single-handed to faultlessly describe the world’s problems and then come up with working solutions.

So the point of this forum (and others like it, if such there be...) is that the conversation will in time direct our attention to situations from a number of points of view that will help us “get ‘round the thing and so make better sense on it.”

As an animator, I’ve heard a lot of variations on the theme that every job requires the animator to first do four hundred BAD drawings before you start getting the character to look like the official model sheet. Mind, that’s for professionals!

When our home spigots were supplied by copper pipes soldered with poisonous lead, a lot of folks subscribed to the notion that you should let the water run a spell before you filled your drinking glass, to get past the water that had sat in the pipes and got lead leached into it.

That same principle might properly govern our comments here, both the writing and the reading of’em.

As good as some of the writing and thinking here may be, we none of us get it exactly right all the time.

Hell, I don’t even agree with own comments some of the time.

• I would like to compliment Habu_3 for his unquenchable efforts at improving both us and himself, in front of God and everybody.

• I would like to compliment Cedarford for his post time-stamped 9/02/2006 12:00:24 AM. This most recent of his posts reverberates with unusual clarity.

Sometimes we’re called upon to choose up sides and declare allegiances. There’s enough of that goin’ around just now. I’d like to think that in this place, we can tolerate each other’s venting, and be patient. Just wait for a stretch and the “gentling” effect of our shared wisdom and goodwill should work its magic on the most obstreporous of us.

9/02/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

#2 behind the Jooos is "tax cuts for the wealthy", even though the empirical evidence is indisputable--that is, cannot be disputed with the reality as expressed by the "numbers"--that the tax cuts have increased, not decreased, the IRS inflows.

This is of course due to "growth" in taxable economic activity--which has additional sanguinary effects on "people's lives", besides just the one thing, the federal tax recpts.

C4 holds that a third of a pie must always be smaller than two-thirds of a pie.

Any mention that this is true only so long as the two pies are forever stuck static at the same size, interferes with the "success is evil" subtext, and brings up the associated "Bush Bot" theme.

9/02/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger 3Case said...

as to the mad fiddler of 9/02/2006 10:53:32 AM:

I've been trolling political and sports bbs since 1990-91, this place distinguishes itself for it's focus and erudition and almost complete absence of flaming. That is a compliment to ALL of you...even pt.

I was busy earlier this week and didn't keep up on my reading. What'd you do to Teresita? Executive summary, please.

9/02/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Uh, "salutary", not 'sanguinary'. That's a bad juxtapose, Freud would giggle madly.

9/02/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

Not being locked into the perfectionism plaguing much of DC and the EU, the Israelis kill bad guys on the simple premise that it is unwise to sacrifice the good on the alter of the perfect, quite apart from the justice of the sanction.

I dare say that a St. Bartholomew's Day purge of Islamic international leadership would make a difference for good in the world. Would there be consequences and unintended consequences? Well yes, but that is true of breathing, as well.

9/02/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

Thanks, Allen, for the link to the article on the Wake Island Massacre.

9/02/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

Alexis, you said "the idiology we fight is older than Islam." [my emphasis]

A further explanation would be appreciated.

Do you mean that the barbarism of the Islamic Jihad is the enduring legacy of the desert arab nomadic tribal culture? Will it take the sort of overwhelming military subjugation that was needed to "civilize" Samurai-Bushido Japan, and National Socialist Germany?

Or do you see it as a "hoof & mouth disease sort of problem?"

Anyone here read "Mote in God's Eye" by Niven & Pournelle?

9/02/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

ooops.

"ideology"

9/02/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen; 11:16:28 AM

"Sanguinary", in the sense of lively, healthy, and robust, looked OK to me.

"Sanguinary", as in bloody consequences when applied to OBL and company, is also OK.

You win either way, buddy.

Sanguinary, indeed. We need more of that in every respect.

Buddy, (off topic) in my short time here, I do not recall you telling BC of your race. Have you? Maybe I just wasn’t paying attention because it was unimportant. Obviously, however, race has become important to some posters. Hmm?

9/02/2006 11:40:00 AM  
Blogger What is "Occupation" said...

The arab / islamic peoples do tend to be cult of personality oriented. C4 glibbly points out that killing one by israel leads to another.. Not entirely wrong, however he misses the point. To kill millions of cannon fodder is useless, (look iran/iraq war) this is the way of the islamic / arab world for centuries, even nasser commented that to loose 10 million in a battle with israel is nothing, they can make more... (iran said a similar thing not to long ago about nuking israel)

The correct way to dethrone the islamic / arab peoples is to destroy thier leaders BUT ALSO THIER HOLY SITES.

This is the unUSED ammo still in the belt..

when we take out hezbollah, hamas, or the iranians leaders we need to also take out thier centers of influence. Bomb their HOLY sites. Every islamic center, every community center, the Kaaba, the temple mosque. every local mosque.

yes i sound radical, however remember the otherside is calling for our DEATH.. so what's a few buildings to get your panties in a knot. AND it's not like the moslems have not DESTROYED every other religion's holy sites when given the chance.

yep, look for the attack on thier leaders and SYMBOLS...

cartoon contests, bottom of shoes, pork rinds for allah jokes, bury the dead terrorists in pig skins...

its war ya know....

or walk quietly to the gas chambers AGAIN

9/02/2006 11:49:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

what is "occupation"

re: "Bomb...the temple mosque"

G-d forbid!!!!!!!!!

Instead, turn out the Muslims and turn the site into an ecumenical religious zone, open to ALL peaceful worshippers.

9/02/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Bud is descended from the Silastic Armourfiends of Striterax.

9/02/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

One of the best ways to deal with a Silastic Armourfiend was to lock him in a room by himself, since he would beat himself up sooner or later.

9/02/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"In an attempt to deal with the problems their violent nature created, the Silastic Armourfiends passed a law that anybody who had to carry a weapon as part of their normal work (including policemen, security guards and primary school teachers) must spend a minimum of 45 minutes each day punching a sack of potatoes.
It was hoped that this would allow them to work off their surplus aggression.
This plan worked only until the Silastic Armourfiends began just shooting the potatoes instead."

9/02/2006 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Hurry! Get this off to Dr. Rice, instantly!

Turkey: We’ll withdraw soldiers from Lebanon if asked to disarm Hizbullah
http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles/1,7340,L-3298688,
00.html

“Turkish soldiers could end up clashing with their fellow Muslims once deployed in Lebanon.”

Who woulda thunk it? Who could have imagined such an event? Who could have seen this coming?

9/02/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

Allen:

I don't like the idea of large numbers of muslim troops under the UN banner in southern Lebanon.

I hate to say I don't trust them but....there I said it.

9/02/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

doug;

re: Bud is descended from the Silastic Armourfiends of Striterax.

Well!!!...That explains everything. It's that blasted Z Cro-magnosome.

"I can see clearly now, the brain is gone."

9/02/2006 12:31:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

How could ANY of this be happening after the end of History, and the continued existence of Arabists and Eggheads at State to make it all better?

9/02/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Silastic Armorfiends are dedicated to the eradication of Doofus Pineapplensis.

9/02/2006 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

whit; 12:26:03 PM

If simple, untrained observers like us can see the problem, one must question the motives of the sophisticated, highly trained professional diplomats at State.

How did the foreign policy of the United States find itself held hostage to the abomination known as the Franco-American UNSC Resolution 1701?

As to the Turks, in fairness, they are incomparably preferable to the French, the Turks retaining a vestigial sense of honor.

Oh, it is the same outfit of experts at State who also refused to take the shot on OBL. The US has some serious problems to address.

9/02/2006 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

"Sanguinary", Allen, has that 'bloody' meaning, which didn't fit with the notion I wuz trying to advance. "Salutary" is non-portmanteu-ish so I dishonestly subbed it, claiming Frodoian slip. And ya caught me. Racially, I came down from the Herring People, who have been in some trouble, intellectually, since they got entrapped by the last Ice Age, which they never saw coming until too late to head south for the winter.

9/02/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Once again you are in error, M Larsonne:
Hawaii is neither a continent nor a large continental subregion:
---
"Race "connotes geographic ancestry, by continent or large continental subregion" and "is used to denote continental or subcontinental clades". In "Cladistic taxonomy ... the basic taxon [is] the genealogical unit, ancestors-plus-line-(or tree)-of-descent, what according to the present analysis races are."
---
Besides, we have not yet descended from de Palm Tree.

9/02/2006 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Allen,
You left out the upcoming warm welcome and rapt attention to a visiting Terrormaster/Dignitary.

9/02/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Having been beaned by many a coconut, how well i know that.

9/02/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen; 12:41:50 PM

re: Doofus Pineapplensis

That is just about enough! If your genocidal racialist rhetroic continues to target doof...I mean doug, I will get in a snit. Indeed, I may even invoke the two post rule, stamp my furry little feet, and blame the Joos.

Have I made myself clear?!

9/02/2006 12:56:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

That's enough, please, I'll belay my harsh rhetoric--on top of Jamie's threat to "very harshly criticize", I done seen de light!!

9/02/2006 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy,
Can tou help me decipher this very famous passage.

The Great Panjandrum

So she went into the garden
to cut a cabbage-leaf
to make an apple-pie;
and at the same time
a great she-bear, coming down the street,
pops its head into the shop.
What! no soap?
So he died,
and she very imprudently married the Barber:
and there were present
the Picninnies,
and the Joblillies,
and the Garyulies,
and the great Panjandrum himself,
with the little round button at top;
and they all fell to playing the game of catch-as-catch-can,
till the gunpowder ran out at the heels of their boots

-- Samuel Foote
Thanks, I first heard it in Laos and have wondered ever since.

9/02/2006 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

We could ride-share a snit and exit left.

9/02/2006 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger geoffgo said...

What is occupation,

Leave the mosques, or at least most. Destroy the first few to influence the ummah to SHUN and dis-invite particular preachers.

Publically name and continue terminating the imams until they collectively produce Koran 2.0.

We can always flatten their symbols, which won't change the teachings, but may instead ignite a hundred million emotionally unstable adherents.

We must pierce the protective shield (PC) of religion, targeting true radical Islam, one mullah, imam, teacher at a time. And, the moderate moslems won't object nearly as much, if there are any.

POTUS says so; we just need to summon up the will.

9/02/2006 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Require periodic Sensitivity Classes for Mosque attendees.

9/02/2006 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy,

re: Herring people

Thank goodness, now I needn't guestion stereotyping you as just any old "white" guy. No, sir, you are the "white" guy of "white" guys.

You were saying what, "white" guy? Your opinion could not immediately penetrate my egocentristic perceptions.

9/02/2006 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

VIDEO: al-Zawahri, 'American al-Qaeda' urge non-Muslims to convert to Islam...
---
DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda called on non-Muslims especially in the United States to convert to Islam and abandon their 'misguided' ways or else suffer, according to a video tape posted on a Web site on Saturday.

The speaker was identified as Azzam the American, also known as Adam Yahiye Gadahn -- an Islamic convert from California wanted for questioning by the FBI and who U.S. authorities believe to be involved in an information campaign for al Qaeda.

"To Americans and the rest of Christendom we say, either repent (your) misguided ways and enter into the light of truth or keep your poison to yourself and suffer the consequences in this world and the next," Gadahn said in English.

9/02/2006 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Henceforth, please refer to me as:
"Ahab the A-rab"

9/02/2006 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

a) Sandy Berger is a Jew.

b) Sandy Berger is a self-serving, bootlicking, idolatrous sycophant.

Which would explain his behavior at the National Archives?

C4, your vote will not be presumed?

9/02/2006 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

OK...

Rhetorical question?

One person offers another an apology for former slights.
The person waits for an answer.
One seems to come in the form of an afterthought post scripted answer to another person's post.
But what is it an anwer to?
It could have several meanings.
The apologists request clarification. None comes. Hours pass.
Direct questions are asked of the putatively abused party. None come. Hours pass.
Is the apology accepted or not accepted?
Does there come a time for the putatively aggrieved party to "person-up" and give a straight answer directly to the person offering the apology?

9/02/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

The Great Panjandrum was also a Brit D-Day "funny weapon", which consisted of two big wheels with a ton of TNT in the axle. Rockets were fixed along the outer rim to get the speed up to where the tnt could bust a seawall when the Great Panjandrum hit it. Would've been launched off an LST had it been used. The inventor was last seen gardening along the retaining walls of a British Looney Bin (which is itself a difficult concept).

9/02/2006 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Yes Buddy,
That panjandrum is not the same as the Great Panjandrum..see how confusing conversation can get when language is used as a cover?

The wartime panjandrum wobble all over the place finally toppling over on to an innocent photographer who was burned by the flars used to power the vehicle. It failed.

9/02/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Der Fuerher himself had been Cedarfords protector from his youth up;
and Cedarford considered him so majestic a personage that he would have felt a hearty contempt for himself if he had even for one moment allowed himself to pose as the great man's equal, or to think of him--in his fear and reverence-as anything less than an Olympic God
The Idiot by Dostoyevsky

9/02/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Allen, yes, we are the white people in the center of white peoplehood, and were on our way to the Big Time with our 10th century cutting-edge Long Boats, except for we couldn't figure how to make a written language, so we sorta pooped out.

9/02/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Habu,
'Rat might just be out at his Mountain retreat, sans utilities:
He used to do that regularly on the weekends.

9/02/2006 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

One of my ancestors, Mickey Runey, did develop the "rune", a sort of very short alphabet.

9/02/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

Just a side bit on the topic of the question: would getting OBL have stopped 9/11? As Cedarford has pointed out the act, itself, might have been stopped, but the movement towards a group like al Qaeda had been in the works for years. I went over the basics here and summarize that the internetworking and cooperation between terrorist organizations had been happening since the 1970's and that internetworking was growing stronger. State-backed and directed activities, however, tended to add knowledge and capability into the entire network via associational transfer. The fact that OBL at the head of an organization that was looking to do this independent of State backing is no surprise since that is the basic roots of modern terror organizations. With the Iranian regime attacking the US and non-Shia States via Hezbollah and expanding its operations it is quite natural that the Wahhabist vision would need to compete with that or be drowned out by an assertive Iranian vision of Islam. That field was ripe before OBL and would have yielded something similar in configuration: non-State based, adhering to Wahhabism which was sending out money for Madrassas widely, and looking to leverage their smaller size via acts that would be 'more terrifying' than a suicide bomber here or there.

This is like looking at Relativity and asking if the death of Einstein would have prevented it from developing? The answer is: no, there were many scientists working in that area and coming very close to this same conception. Einstein used the photoelectric effect as a basis for his work, and others were looking into that, too, but not as stringently. The death of Einstein a few years before that might have *delayed* relativity by as much as two years or as little as a month or two, depending upon who you talk to in *that* debate.

The Transnational Terrorist field was already ripe for an al Qaeda and an OBL. By the time you got al Qaeda, the organizational structure had been set up along with its outlooks and no matter *who* was the head of it, the attacks would have gone forward. Destroy al Qaeda and the mass of internetworked terrorist organizations would spin up something *else*.

9/02/2006 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Sandy Berger's chief clients at his law firm prior to becoming Bill Clinton's NSA were the ChiComs.
It was through those contacts that Burger arranged the massive illegal loans to Bill's re-election in return for US Code Word and Top Secret material.
This is well known amoing the DC cognoscenti.
Remember the missing FBI files that were last seen in Hillary's room at the WH. That was his "get out of jail card free"
Burger is as much a traitor to this country as was Aldrich Ames or Robert Hansen. They just weren't "connected".
But to think that that stuff will cease is to wish for a fart to forever stink .... in your enemies camp.
It's not what you know it's who you know .. as true as gravity on Earth.
He should have been hanged in public on the DC Mall.

9/02/2006 01:48:00 PM  
Blogger What is "Occupation" said...

geoffgo said...
Leave the mosques, or at least most. Destroy the first few to influence the ummah to SHUN and dis-invite particular preachers.

fine, but you gots to blow up the black rock....

geoffgo said... Publically name and continue terminating the imams until they collectively produce Koran 2.0.

fine

geoffgo said...We can always flatten their symbols, which won't change the teachings, but may instead ignite a hundred million emotionally unstable adherents.

ah but that is where you are wrong... making the symbol of the black rock into dust CHANGES the Pillars of Islam, just as the jews lost the temple and had to change from a temple cult to a mitzvah cult (prayer replacing temple offerings, (happened in bavel)) Islam MUST loose the "hajj" or pligrimage which is one of islam's major pillars, the trip to the rock.. the hajj....

geoffgo said -...We must pierce the protective shield (PC) of religion, targeting true radical Islam, one mullah, imam, teacher at a time. And, the moderate moslems won't object nearly as much, if there are any.

there is ONLY one radical group of moslems in the world and they live in the good ole usa... and preach co-existance.

Normal Islam as practiced and preached from islamic government sponsors pulpits (s arabia, jordan, palestine, egypt, maylaysia, indonesia, lebanon etc) preach NORMAL Jihadic rasict points of view, calling jews monkeys, apes, worthy of death, and christians and pagan not much better...

Time to post rewards for the heads of fatwa issuing mullahs that call for death for just insulting islam or being an infidel.

Time to kill the killers....

from those old JEWISH books..

for every season there is reason..
Book of Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8

hating evil murderous bastards is good
Book of Schmaltz, 13: 2-4

thou shall not suffer blood thirsty animals that take the form of humans, they drink human blood, they are an abomination.
Book of Shlomo, 5:1-3

9/02/2006 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Habu,
Instead, he and Gorelick were Gatekeepers on the 9-11 Commission.
Nothing is real.
But I repeat myself.

9/02/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

For those who think I make light of the very real issue of racism or fail to see it, altogether, you are mistaken. There are in the world racists, Robert Mugabe comes instantly to mind.

For those who think I might have gone easy on Sandy Berger in my earlier post, let me say: Berger is also a conceited, presumptuous, vandal; in short, Berger is a barbaric idiot.

For his unforgivable rape of history, he should have been sentenced to scrubbing by hand the floors of the National Archives for the remainder of his miserable life.

9/02/2006 01:57:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Habu, the Riady family was the bagman.

9/02/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Doug,
It can't be repeated enough times by people like you and me that we have enemies. Those enemies are Islam and the Democratic Party as it is currently lead. I feel empathy for those in the Democratic Party that would like to reflect a "Scoop" Jackson approach but are muzzled by the socialist commie leadership, Pelosi, Murtha, et. al.
The reson for the repitition is that hoi polloi need to be beamed up to reality daily.

9/02/2006 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy, You're correct they were players too along with Webster Hubbell.
I still get pretty good scoop from Indonesia as my brother-in-law was the Ambassadors pilot as well as military attache.
What a freak show that place is too.

9/02/2006 02:10:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

'Legacy of Honor' taking place at Pearl Harbor

9/02/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Re 'racism', I'm sure everyone has by now, and if not, why not, read Ralph Peters' earthquake essay?

Jacksonian is right--this jihadism was inevitable, in a way. The ancient, perpetual haves vs have-nots, compressed, pressurized, heated to plasma, by globalizing wealth, travel, info ditribution, and a new and politically-opportuned (and so, contempt-breeding) semi (and so, distorted) familiarity with all that has always before been a mystery.

9/02/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Doug said...

"Require periodic Sensitivity Classes for Mosque attendees."

Dammit man you almost drowned me. I was swallowing a beer. Nothing is real.

9/02/2006 02:22:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Doug,
Mountain retreats are nice. I have one in Montana way up in the Elkhorns. Thanks for the info.

9/02/2006 02:22:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Web Hubbel, wow. Took one for da boss, didn't he--

9/02/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

Besides the normal imperative of bureaucrats to protect their own patch, the United States Department of State has a long history of being oriented toward a “one-world” POV, lately termed transnational progressivism. Americans persist in disbelieving the vast effort Soviet Russia invested in de-stabilizing and undermining other governments and cultures.

Alger Hiss, Harvard-educated lawyer and darling of the left from his days in FDR’s New Deal, was a spy for the Soviets while he worked his way from a minor post in the Department of Agriculture to serving with FDR at Yalta, where he helped Stalin draw the map of post-war Europe. He was by no means alone. Whittaker Chambers’ autobiography “Witness” helped me finally understand of the path of many people drawn to commit themselves to Communism.

The idealists of his generation felt Marxism promised an ethical path to a utopian alternative to what they felt was the Darwinian harshness of Capitalism. That chicane was still being successfully pawned off to college students last week.

American culture today is still reverberating like a great gong from the rain of blows by the Soviet Union. They infiltrated ogovernments and institutions (particularly teachers and university faculty) in targeted nations all around the world. Their efforts have been confirmed by the archives of the Soviet Union, available to western researchers since the collapse of the early 1990’s. From the 1920’s there were clandestine and undisguised organizations funded and directed by the Soviets, whose entire purpose was to infiltrate and influence western culture.

Read the histories of communism published by sources you trust; the history is available for anyone who takes the trouble to look. The people most inclined to discount Soviet/Comintern subversion are the liberals who invested so much in defending communism. They still believe the only people in the world evil enough to destroy other cultures are American Conservatives. These days they’re in profound denial about the documents released from Soviet archives, which confirm that the United States government was telling us the truth about communism all along.

9/02/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Igor Gouzenko, a turned KGB agent said it best. "The only thing a communist understands is a cocked gun to his head".

9/02/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Fiddler, USSR-to-west like Iran-to-Iraq, the "closing" system can't exist alongside the "opening" system.

9/02/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

the mad fiddler; 02:24:08 PM

re: That chicane was still being successfully pawned off to college students last week.

And that's the truth!

Communism - How long is the half-life of this bad idea?

As habu and I have both posited, it will take the death of the Baby Boom generation to hearld the dawn of a new rationality.

9/02/2006 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Fiddler,
The Commies were active in organizing and establishing Hawaii as a Union State which has voted Democrat for 50 years.

9/02/2006 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Boomers dying off..That is the good news. The bad part is a few more of us have to take one for the team to see it happen.

9/02/2006 02:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

We had it comin.

9/02/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

"Communism - How long is the half-life of this bad idea?"

We could help the downtrend by paying a little more attention to Hugo Chavez's flight plans.

9/02/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

And now the state of Hawaii is going through turmoil from the tiny number of surviving native Hawaiians who have enlisted a host of anti-US activists to restore its independence.

I don't much care for the idea that the BISHOP family descendants of some of the original Western missionaries, hold VAST portions of the islands in perpetuity.

Sort of gives the lie to the "missionary" hypothesis, but that's the same sort of shitty behavior by missionaries that created so much hostility to proper Christianity in lots of places.

On the other hand, the temptation musta been sumthin fierce. I would love to have a private beach on Kauai.

9/02/2006 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Everything always ends up at Hitler. We had USSR fairly well pegged after the Hitler/Stalin Pact. The two of 'em cooperatively ate Poland and were working out Eastern Europe.

So Stalin was a murdering tyrant, it was very clear.

But then Herr Schicklgruber hadda go invade Russia.

Voila, Communism was our 'funny' foreign friend, long enough to open doors all over American intelligentsia.

I guess history offered no model of fighting both combatants already engaged in a separate war with each other.

Patton--as genius is wont to do--saw the problem very clearly as a mere matter of sequence. But what about "Uncle Joe", a conditioned America would have demanded to know.

9/02/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

2164, re Chavez, didja catch the news today, that he has announced, in regards to the December elections, that he "desires to amend the Venezuelan Constitution, in order that he may finish the work of the socialist reform"?

9/02/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

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9/02/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Well then Buddy the question is; who is the present enemy of our enemy friend? We did it in Afghansitan against the Soviets and created AQ. We strengthened the jihadiis in our war against the Christian Serbs. Could it be the Shiites, our side of choice in Iraq?

Re Chavez: I am baffeled with our lack of attention to him

9/02/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

I think Allen is right, reinterating our views that the "boomers" (with the exception of those fighting men and women, with the further caveat of the Kerry types, with a dozen more caveats) were a generation of spoiled brats.
Like all generations they "knew" what the truth was cause some commie professor told them or the SDS was a cool place to catch the latest STD from some acided headed Grace slick type.
I went to anti war rallies to rough up the peace kids which I did with great relish. No behind the back stuff, I hadn't learned that yet, just pick on one or two, get mouthy, take out the first threat and whup ass on the second.
Then beat retreat before the campus police arrived...great fun..was I a bully..hmm..were they fuck'in my family that always had at least two Marines in Nam at the same time? naw I was no bullu just guarding the home front.

9/02/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

then i learned from a SF sgt. that if i went to a welding/gas shop and got some liquid nitrogen i could freeze a can of shaving cream, deposit it in their dorm room and let the florida heat do the rest...i mean were talk'in shave cream everywhere. you needed to use an old v type can punture tool to open a hole so you wouldn't get a explosion, just the cream all over...works even better in cars..fills the whole car.

9/02/2006 03:13:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

You're right, 2164--it's a replay. Lipstick for the far enemy. Thank/blame the Atlantic and the Pacific, for that.

9/02/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy,
If Web hadn't taken one for the boss, he would have taken one for the boss.

9/02/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Belmonteers are just too doctrinaire. We need to be more sensitive to our little Muslim friends. They only desire respect, don’t you know?

For instance, Dr. Rice’s brand new pals in Lebanon cannot understand why a couple Muslim boys should be extradited to Germany. After all, if the infidel crusaders had not insulted the prophet there would have been no reason to place those bombs aboard German trains.

Dr. Rice understands the Muslim mind, and that’s a fact. Like her, we would do well to seek the counsel of CAIR. We at BC need to get on board.

“Mohammed cartoons 'sparked bomb plot'”
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20343178-23109,00.html

9/02/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

habu, ya gotta remember to freeze it first, before you use the can-opener.
:-(

9/02/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

TWO MEDALS OF HONOR

Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye," was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. Butler was awarded the Medal of Honor twice during his career, one of only 19 people to be awarded the medal twice. He was noted for his outspoken non-interventionist views and his book "War is a Racket"

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested"
Some things never change. This country has simply refined what Butler pointed out. If it weren't so we would have already left the UN and nuked Iran.

9/02/2006 03:23:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

That's the ass-end of globalization, alright. A State Dept with interests everywhere interlocked and against each other half the time. A MacDonalds and a Citibank on every streetcorner in every gin joint in all the world.

9/02/2006 03:36:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy re: Chavez.I said two or three days ago in response to a poster saying, "will see after the election"..I'm think'in does this person have any grasp of reality with the likes of a Chavez,Castro, Putin? Think Putin will have real elections? Chavez is not about to give up power. He's now an international hero to those who still hum The Internationale.
He's preparing central america and mexico for an armed invasion of the southwest US. he's spending billions on weaponry he doesn't need for defense and now has the blessings of China and the Sovs who would love to see our borders in skirmishes daily. Five years, seven tops. Assassination of him and several other will be necessary soon to alter the equation.

9/02/2006 03:39:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

absolutely Buddy....AFTER you freeze it.

9/02/2006 03:44:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

There's about 4 days to the deadline to certify the Mexico election results. The Mexican election commission is internationally respected, held in the highest regard as a model of how best to run honest elections. But the Reds don't give a sh*t.

9/02/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Well we end the week a kinder and gentler BC. Habu is giving peace a chance. I have also taken the oath to no longer attack unless repeatedly and sorely attacked. I may slip, but I always have been a counter-puncher. I will try harder.

9/02/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

That's what the Limbaugh Doctrine is! The Limbaugh Doctrine clearly states: Peace follows victory. Peace does not result from settlements, ceasefires, negotiations, doctors, nurses, clean water, all of that sort of happy-go-lucky good stuff.

Today marks the 60th anniversary of Imperial Japan's unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor, in which 2,500 Americans were killed. There are lessons to be learned from our victory in that war.

In his April 16, 1945 address before a Joint Session of Congress, President Harry Truman stated: "So there can be no possible misunderstanding, both Germany and Japan can be certain, beyond any shadow of doubt, that America will continue the fight for freedom until no vestige of resistance remains. We are deeply conscious of the fact that much hard fighting is still ahead of us. Having to pay such a heavy price to make complete victory certain, America will never become a party to any plan for partial victory. To settle for merely another temporary respite would surely jeopardize the future security of the world. Our demand has been, and it remains, unconditional surrender."

On August 6, 1945, just 16-hours after the United States dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, Truman issued a statement which said, in part: "The Japanese began the war from the air at Pearl Harbor. They have been repaid many fold. … We are now prepared to obliterate more rapidly and completely every productive enterprise the Japanese have above ground in any city. We shall destroy their docks, their factories, and their communications. Let there be no mistake: we shall completely destroy Japan's power to make war."

9/02/2006 03:48:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

I too will no longer call names. If a prick like 2164 can be nice, so can I.

9/02/2006 03:48:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

;-D hastily add

9/02/2006 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

The problem with Hugo Chavez, as Habu_Hints, is that he will be energetically using his time to create conditions in his patch to spread his favored form of anti-democratic statism. You can bet the schools have already been re-designed to serve as rigidly doctrinaire factories for loyal Yanqui-hating Chavistas. What the HELL was he doing in Syria, if not comparing notes on how to screw things up for your democratic neighbors.

Syria, if you remembers, sent a planeload of chemical warfare specialists to Khartoum a couple of years ago, to assist the Islamic Sudanese leadership in reducing the pesky population of black African Animists, Pagans, and Christians.

Presumably, those Syrians were using their newly-acquired WMDs shipped out of Iraq in the months the United States was patiently pleading with the United Nations Security Council to actually enforce the scores of toplofty resolutions it had passed insisting that Saddam Hussein quit violating all the earlier UNSC demands, the armistice from Gulf War I, human rights of his subjects, and the rules of etiquette.

It takes a lot of humility, when you think of it, for Hugo to humbly submit to other folks for training, but he's decided to learn from the masters. I note that he has not applied for advanced counter-insurgency training at Fort Benning.

9/02/2006 03:53:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

good one buddy. competing with doug are u?

9/02/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Doofus Pineapplensis"
---
And I came here for refined discussion.

9/02/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

ouch!

9/02/2006 03:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

de Coconut don't fal far from de tree.

9/02/2006 03:58:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

National Geographic had an article earlier this year about Venezuela under Chavez. Evidently the guy commandeers up to six hours of television broadcast time at a single sitting to just rant, tell stories of his heroic childhood, denounce his enemies, and generally spew.

Hard to imagine, eh? What if he were posting in the BC comment stream...

9/02/2006 03:59:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

What will Jimmy Carter say, when Hugo suspends the Constitution? I'm certain it will be "Bushe's fault" or "Amurica's fault", but -- how will he pretzel it?

9/02/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

Gee. I almost feel like I haven't really arrived here until I've been viciously adhominemly attacked till I quiver.

I'd hominy grittily wittily...

Damn, what was in that gin?

Till then, just sign me "Mealy-mouthed Fiddler"

9/02/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

mad fiddler,
great points on Chavez. i enjoyed the insight i had overlooked but is so true..the schooling of the little minds..in my 5-7 year timeframe they'll be just like the Hitler Youth, ready to rumble.
And by then ties will have ben more strongly cemented in the barrios of LA to coordinate attacks. The Maxine Wateristas Brigade will be activated to grind out the Joseph Goebbels propaganda...but wait she already does that..sorry.

9/02/2006 04:05:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

" how will he pretzel it? "
Certify it as part of the "Process"
On the Road to Peas.

9/02/2006 04:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

McKinney will just be hitting her stride.

9/02/2006 04:08:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Of course , I am now known as

HABU THE HARMONIZER

nery a ad hominem to a BC'er will I utter, but to those guys over at the Daily Kos ..fu*k 'em...
or is it ...

HABU THE SPINELESS APOLOGIST

9/02/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"nery a ad hominem to a BC'er will I utter, but to those guys over at the Daily Kos I'll yell Nutter!"

9/02/2006 04:17:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

"I'd like a few orders of grits"

"Hominy, sir?"

9/02/2006 04:25:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Ever Harmonic Habu bestowed Peaceful Hominy upon the Belmont Clubees.

9/02/2006 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Ate too much grits of the hominy

And caught a bad pain abdominy

Went to the doctor
(an ologist proctor)

who said "with the grits, it's how many!"

9/02/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Bc'ers,BC'rs where the hell ahve we been....

TODAY IN 1945 ON THE USS MISSOURI
THE JAPANESE FORMALLY SURRENDERED'

VJ DAY !!!!

BUDDY, buys another round

9/02/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

ALSO>>>ALSO all in all not a great day in japanese hx.

1923: Great Tokyo Fire continues to blaze

On this day in 1923, aftershocks and out-of-control fires continue to rock Tokyo, Japan, and the surrounding area following a massive earthquake. In total, 143,000 people died in the disaster, which is known both as the Great Kwanto Earthquake and the Great Tokyo Fire, as the fire caused by the earthquake was more deadly and destructive than the earthquake itself.


At about noon on September 1, an 8.3-magnitude quake, centered in Sagami Bay near Oshima Island, about 50 miles southeast of Tokyo, struck the area. The shaking continued for nearly five minutes, causing some buildings to collapse, including the 12-story Asakusa Tower, which split before giving way. There were innumerable fires in the immediate aftermath. As it was lunchtime, many people in the area were cooking food over hibachis when the earthquake hit and the overturned hibachis caused thousands of small fires in traditional Japanese wooden homes. Along the coast, many of these fires were put out by the 40-foot tsunami that came ashore in several locations

9/02/2006 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

history being made

9/02/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

I mean ya gotta have a fall guy , right...

Compounding the tragedy, some Japanese blamed Korean immigrants for the fires and killed hundreds of innocent people in the days following the disaster.

9/02/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

1969: Ho Chi Minh dies

9/02/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

Wasn't that a famous Jackie Gleason quotation from "The Honeymooners?"

"Hominy Hominy Hominy...

Or am I thinking of Duckman...

"Homina Homina Homina..."

?

9/02/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy,

Do you think we're look'in at a revolution in Mexico next week..see a Chavez hand close by? See more massive illegals than ever com'in across the border..whew..could be time for the vigilantes,lawlessness,anarchy, but peace and harmony here on the BC. Gosh it's good to be home.

9/02/2006 05:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Habu,
Direct your Harmonic Attention to: 02:15:40 PM

9/02/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Promotional Duck:
"Ad Homina Ad Homina Ad Homina..."

9/02/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Mark in Mexico, just keep scrolling--

9/02/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

"With hotel occupancy rates at 10%, most folks figured this out long before the State Department went public with a warning"

9/02/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Clear and Presidente Danger

9/02/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Research and Destroy.
In the Nam of our Fathers.

9/02/2006 05:23:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Buddy,
I was reading something last nite about a bunch of Sunnis evacuating to Kurdistan.
One former Saddam loyalist and his family were renting a room for $30/nite.

9/02/2006 05:26:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Iraqi Arabs See Unlikely Haven With Old Foes -
Mr. Abdul Rahman are settling in the secure provinces of Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq, said Mr. Abdul Rahman, himself a Sunni Arab, as children scampered

9/02/2006 05:29:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Anybody seen habu and
This Guy
together?

9/02/2006 05:34:00 PM  
Blogger charlotte said...

What if [Chavez] were posting in the BC comment stream...

Mad Fiddler, I am Chavez in drag because Condi still wants me and I have to keep a low profile. After Bashar fitted me with new glasses recently, I can once again read that Turing word mess to allow my great wisdom to appear on your long blog fibers. No doubt BCers will be supportive of anything I have to say due to their newly pledged tolerance and esprit d' transcommentalism.

May I just say that His Hugo would agree with all garden-variety Clinton apologia, such as Cedarford's, and further note that you and the others here are forgetting how El Presidente Clinton vigorously named the enemy who was trying to bring down the US in the 90s. Your Democrat jefe and his cracker-jack national security team knew not to be overly concerned after the '93 attack on the WTC, (by an Islamist whose uncle ended up being the chief architect of 9-11), because that incident was merely a "criminal" act.

But when white American anti-government crazies bombed the Murrah Building (and when leads were quashed concerning a Middle Eastern "third" terrorist and travels Nichols undertook to the Phillipines at the time and place al Qaeda operatives were meeting), Clinton bravely identified and assailed the determined foes of America: talk-right "hate" radio and the meanie morons who tune in.

Even Señor Hillary reacted with clarity and conviction upon the terrorist allegations of her husband's infidelity. With the soul of a patriot, she denounced the vast American rightwing conspiracy on morning TV to a pink sweater-clad Couric who can never now wear such a sweet little number lest we never take her seriously again, as if... (When Katie comes to Caracas, I'll know she wants me, too.)

Anyway, Belmontistas, you need to realize that your friends are the Carterites, Clarkites and Clintonites of this shrinking, Socializing world, and that your Numero Uno Enemigo is actually You. Republicans. Centrists and conservatives. Especially white males. But also including defector blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, gays, feminism traitor women & breeder consorts. Christians and Zionists. For-profit corporations. Defense industry ghouls. Apathetic profession and business bound college kids. SUVs and Dubya's tax cuts.

When the US Democrats are back in office, I'll be happy for both our regimes, and also for Cuba, Syria, Iran, Russia, China, North Korea, Socialist Spain and all repressive Africa. We have further to travel down that road, mis amigos.

9/02/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

(Hugotherine's missive, but into google Spanish, then back into (google)English)

Angry Fiddler, I am Chavez in the friction because Condi still wishes me and must keep a low profile. After Bashar fitted to me recently with new crystals, I can read that mess of the word of Turing to allow again that my great wisdom appears in your long fibers of blog. Any thing is no support BCers doubt that I must say due to again engaged his transcommentalism of the d of the tolerance and esprit. I can as soon as I say that his Hugo would be suitable the vindication of Clinton of the garden-variety yet, as Cedarford, and would foment the note that you and the others is forgetting here of how President Clinton named enemy vigorous who tried to down bring the E.E.U.U in years 90. Your head of the democrat and his equipment of the national security of cracker-jack knew later not to be dealed with 'attack 93 against the WTC excessively, (by a Islamist that uncle finished upon being the main architect of 9-11), because that incident era simply “a criminal” act. But when the crazies anti-government white Americans bombed the building of Murrah (and when a third” mean-Eastern terrorist leads quashed referring “and to routes that Nichols undertook to the Phillipines in that then and workers of Qaeda of the a the one of the place was meeting), Clinton it gracefully identified and it invaded solved enemies of America: speak-right radio of “hatred” and morons of the meanie that tempers pulg. Mr. Hillary even reacted with clarity and the conviction on the allegations of the terrorist of the infidelity of his husband. With the soul of a patriotic one, she denunci the conspiracy of the extensive American right the morning TV to a sweater-had Couric pink that can never now use a small so sweet number in order never we take it seriously again, as if… (When Katie comes to Caracas, I will also know that she wishes me.) In any case, Belmontistas, you need to make that your friends are the Carterites, the Clarkites and the Clintonites of this being contracted, world that socializes, and that your Numero One Enemy is really you. Republicans. Centrists and conservatives. Specially white men. But also including black of the defector, Asians, Hispanic, Jewish, gays, women of treasonous of the .feminism and consorts of the criador. Christians and Zionists. For-to benefit the corporations. Necrófagos spirits of the industry of the defense. Cabritos bound of the university of the profession and the business of Apathetic. Reductions of taxes of SUVs and Dubya. When the democrats of the E.E.U.U are behind in office, I will be happy for both our regimes, and also for Cuba, Syria, Iran, Russia, China, Korea of the north, socialist Spain and all repressive Africa. We more far must travel under that way, friends of my.

9/02/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Blogger charlotte said...

Grassy ass for the improvement!

9/02/2006 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger Pyrthroes said...

Wretchard, can it be that you do not own a TV set? Join we few, we happy few, upon St. Swithin's Day! These forty years, we have eschewed this stupefying assault on sense and sensibility. That moving dot may seem pictorial, but it is not; and meantime, all higher functions recede to slumber.

An underground of Ninja Turtles, by no means teenaged, rules in secret by renouncing tube-ification. As the kid said early on, he'd take radio over television "because the pictures were better." Right!

9/02/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

I Agree!

9/02/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Beware the Military Necrófagos
Spirits Complex.

9/02/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Blogger fred said...

I am resolved to not watch this t.v. film, because I suspect that it will play the same role as that of the 9/11 Commission: shuck and jive, obfuscation, and re-create political battles that resolved nothing and left us still holding the bag of risk.

There is not the political will out there to give our Islamic enemies the big smack down. We will not have political leaders who are capable of REALLY decisive action until the public demands it. Part and parcel of the public demanding it requires that the Left be hounded into obscurity, after it has been sufficiently exposed and discredited.

The major task before us to to bring into the light the full extent of the Red and Green Alliance - the Hammer and Sickle and the Crescent and Scimitar.

Too much timidity out there among our politicians reflects the timidity, ignorance (willful or otherwise), and hedonism of our people. Clearly, our priorities are inverted. Survival comes before partying. The idiots on crack invert 'em.

9/02/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Fred,
Rush loved the part he saw.
(Could only watch it in his plane as DVD Player in NY did not work)
Also said Michael Barrone saw the whole thing and liked it.

9/02/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Doug (2:15:40)


G-damn Daily Kos people look what they did..hijacked my name and secret decoder ring to try and make you look bad...

oops!

9/02/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Barone: Our Covert Enemies
At the center of their thinking is a notion of moral relativism. No idea is morally superior to another. Hitler had his way, we have ours -- who's to say who is right? No ideas should be "privileged," especially those that have been the guiding forces in the development and improvement of Western civilization.

9/02/2006 06:17:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Barone, Fred, speak of Cabritos bound of the university of the profession and the business of Apathetic.

9/02/2006 06:19:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

(I'm trying to figure a way to get my son to remember to record it for me, since The Cable Guy does not stop by)

9/02/2006 06:20:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Fred

9/02/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger fred said...

O.K., Doug, you piqued my interest. I'll watch it. I'm just not one to easily trust what Hollywood cobbles together these days. However, I'm way past the blame Clinton game. In a sense it does matter (affixing Clinton a lion's share of the blame), but this contemporary version of imitating the ostrich about jihad goes back to Carter days. Carter is the one who really let the genie out of the bottle by allowing Iranian jihad to germinate and survive. And after what they did they should not have been allowed to survive. And then we didn't get back at them for what happened in Beruit in 1983.

Plenty of blame to be handed out to both DhimmiCrap and Republican administrations.

9/02/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

I think you'd better get a tv, doug. Elections are coming up--you need to have eyes on the visual propaganda. You made your point, we all honor your elevated intellectual disdain for us crud-encrusted bug-eyed pigs of the mass-culture hoi-polloi. Now go get a tv.

9/02/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger fred said...

I find t.v.'s useful. I really enjoy college football, pro football, and pro and college hockey. Not to mention baseball. I watch few programs, and typically those are recorded so that the wife and I can watch them together at an hour that is reasonable to us. There is FOX news also. I forgot to mention Jim Cramer's show about stock picking..."boooyah!"

9/02/2006 06:33:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Pyrthroes has me thinking:
Did you see his final solution?
And he also crows "TV No Mas!

9/02/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Bud re Instapundit:
Yeah:
They even have ME promoting it and I don't have a TV!

9/02/2006 06:40:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Cramer is a bona-fide genius, seeing patterns that the rest of us live right in the middle of and never note.

9/02/2006 06:40:00 PM  
Blogger 3Case said...

H_3 said "Is the apology accepted or not accepted?"

Apologies are either made or they are not made. Their completeness is dependent only upon the honesty and throroughness of their making. The question of acceptance or rejection is whole 'nother thing and not the province of the apologizer.

9/02/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Blogger Cedarford said...

2164th - Re Chavez: I am baffeled with our lack of attention to him,

What choice do we have? There is a strong Leftward turn in Latin America due to the failure of free trade, crony capitalism, and tax cuts for the wealthy to better the lives of the average Latin since the conservative reforms were given a good go starting in the early 90s. The result was the richer got richer, the poor poorer, and the middle class collapsed substantially in countries like Venezuela, Argentina, Nicaragua. Mexico almost went radical Left in the last election.

What that means is while much of Latin America sees Chavez as a clown and a moron, he IS implementing reforms that other Latin nations agree with, and there is ZERO support outside, say, Columbia for the USA toppling the elected leader of Venezuela.

Plus Chavez knows, along with Iran, N Korea, China, Russia, Syria - that the USA is stuck on Bush's Stay the Course tar baby of Iraq - that Bush has burned up most of his ground forces Reservists time and 2/3rds of the Army and Marines to the Iraq rotation rather than risk his tax cuts for fatcats and spend money to restore the US military to as large a force as Clinton had back in 1998. So all of them can "play" while America is mired in Iraq. And continue to play until Bush is out or a Democratic Congress cuts off funding if a full civil war breaks out between noble, freedom-hungry, democracy-loving, purple-fingered factions of "heroes"

Doug - and Cedarford considered him so majestic a personage that he would have felt a hearty contempt for himself if he had even for one moment allowed himself to pose as the great man's equal, or to think of him--in his fear and reverence-as anything less than an Olympic God
The Idiot by Dostoyevsky


Doug may not have read much Dostoyevsky, Pushkin, Tolstoy, or Solzhenitsyn or he would be aware of the literary tradition of profound disquiet over foreign influence on Russia, causing events that damaged Russia. Particularly the Jews, as bringers of West Europe influence and trade, working with Napoleon, acting as the Czars officials and tax collectors, then as the Bolsheviks that had a primary role in the killing or starving of tens of millions of Russians and people in adjacent countries (in Solzhenitsyn's era). A centuries old debate in Russia is whether or not Pushkin's "anti-semitism" was bigotry, as the literary critics of the 19th Century said and a manifestation of Russia's "insularity". Or Communists later taught in schools ignorance from a lack of his education, or (very quietly in the days of the Red Terror when anti-semitism was a death penalty charge) regular Russians saying Pushkin was right and was just putting realism into his writings.

Soon there will be very few Jews left in Russia, emigration, the end of communism, and the clampdown on the oligarchs has all but ended days of great Jewish power over events.

Then a new wave of literary criticism will happen, as long as demographics to not exterminate Russia.

9/02/2006 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Buddy & Doug..
Thank you both for the great links to 1. the anarchy already beging endured by our brown brothers and sisters in Mexico and
2. Barone:The Enemy within..a long time theme of mine also..the 60's leftest that bought into the anti-USA no matter what crap are just older now but still (oops ,excuse me) full of caca-popo. Too harsh?

9/02/2006 06:47:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Instapundit flacks, but usually announces it when he does. So, when he offers a tidbit sans disclaimer, sometimes it's just that the tidbit is good. Guy's centrist manner is extremely valuable, as it makes credible his concentration on exposing baloney of all flavors.

9/02/2006 06:49:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Poopie Doo" will do.

9/02/2006 06:49:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Habu:
See my Army Times Nogales links in the next thread.

9/02/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

I have a TV and a DVD. Iuse it to watch Jenna Jameson and old episodes of Amos n Andy.
I also have "The World at War" and "Triumph of the Will"

9/02/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Leni Riefenstahl, the gorgeous corpse-flower.

9/02/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger trangbang68 said...

For a little color on the term"it don't mean nothin'",the incomparable Johnny Cash has a song on one of the American recordings called "Drive On"

The chorus goes:
Drive on/it don't mean nothin'
My children love me but they don't understand
And I got a woman who loves her man
Drive on.
It along with "Still in Saigon" and John Prine's "Sam Stone" are the best Viet Nam songs.A couple other expressions I like are "Bought the Farm" as in "Zarqawi bought the farm","Ruin your whole day "as in
a B40 rocket will ruin your whole day"
"World of hurt" as in if Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House we're all in a world of hurt"

Memo to Adam A-hole somewhere in the wilds of Pakistan.I'd love to personally shove a porkchop down your useless throat you treasonous ex-California faggot.Burn in hell loser.Sorry for the insensitivity.

9/02/2006 06:59:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

tell it....

9/02/2006 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

3Case,
Thank you for the apology explanation. I've come to a certain Zen now however that requires no confirmation of anything by anyone on any topic.
It is the freedom from using hurtful language to communicate with all things ..the hole in the donut makes no sound. A man can never step in the same river twice.
You are gracious to have spent your time helping. May you have the best of the donut hole too. It is a nothingness that contains the essense of the foggy colloids of Brownian movement. A condradiction that is not, nor is a conclusion, for they are the confusion in collusion. Pacis ut totus.

9/02/2006 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Should I buy the spiked mace with the solid iron shaft and wooden handle or the apiked mace with the 8" chain attched to the mace and handle?

9/02/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

"As the Thread Turns"

Tom Cruise has apologised to Brooke Shields for getting in her face about using anti-depressants.

On Hannity & Colmes talking heads what to know "As Plame-Gate unravels should Joe Wilson apologise for jumping the gun?"

Raghead Nasrallah has apologised for wrecking Lebanon.

Here at Belmont Habu has apologised to Desert Rat.

Talking heads want to know "should Desert Rat apologise to PeterBoston?"

9/02/2006 07:24:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

trangbang68..
Thank you for the J. Cash tune.please refer to my answer above regarding whatever it was regarding.
Thx

9/02/2006 07:24:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

Saw on Fox today one of streamers across the bottom of the screen said that in Kurdistan, government offices have been ordered to replace the Iraqi flag with the flag of Kurdistan.

If this report is true, what does this forebode if anything?

9/02/2006 07:27:00 PM  

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