Wednesday, July 04, 2007

Watch and Wait:

Badgers Forward believes attempts to understand the world through the prism of World War or Vietnam are bound to fail. "What is clear is that the war in Iraq has its own narrative, one that is complex and unsettling. Complexity makes it very difficult to make sense of the chaos we see."

Through the process of writing this I realized my mentor was correct, everything did not change that day [September 11]. Many of us just woke up.

I suggest we awake from our slumber permanently, we boldly look and analyze this threat with new eyes and reject the comfortable and familiar narratives. Then we can once again reject and defeat another threat to free peoples everywhere just as we reject fascism and communism.

Nothing follows.

15 Comments:

Blogger PierreLegrand said...

Of course there are some parallels that bear paying attention to in Iraq. Like Vietnam we refuse to actually hold to account those who are supplying the "insurgents"/"vietcong....had we attacked the North with a vengence we might have ended the war much earlier in similar fashion to Korea.

A link to some very original thinking on the war. Snodgrass on War

And now we find ourselves afraid to admit that until we subdue Iran the war in Iraq will continue.

7/04/2007 09:39:00 PM  
Blogger Sparks fly said...

At the risk of being redundant none of this is a surprise. The Bible, especially the Books of Daniel and Joel and Ezeliel 36,37,38,39 and the book Of Revelation have already written today's headlines thousands of years ago.

Wake-up! Smell the coffee. Amazing times are coming upon this almost 6000 year old earth.

Consider the claims of Jesus Christ while it is still called today.

A time is coming when you won't be able to find a preacher of the word of God.

If you think the world is dark right now, hold onto your hat, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

7/05/2007 01:32:00 AM  
Blogger ADE said...

A time is coming when you won't be able to find a preacher of the word of God.

Why does he need a preacher?

ADE

7/05/2007 06:15:00 AM  
Blogger ADE said...

I was wrong.

Why does a preacher think he knows what God thinks?

Apologies. It is so easy to confuse cause and effect.

ADE

7/05/2007 06:18:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Your problem, ADE, is evolutionary adaptation interruptus:
After a mere 6,000 years, you opted out to become a radical conservative.
We left you in your Wake.

7/05/2007 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger wretchard said...

If you were examining a bunch of messages and wondering which was more probably genuine, absent any other clue you might resort to content analysis. Of course the analyst would be handicapped by his own mental limitations and prejudices, but those limits are unavoidable.

If the Creator (being the Fourth of July this term is admissible) had a message (which might be broadcast by mere existence) how would we know which, of the various preachers, most accurately conveyed the information? Here's where content analysis helps. Only a little, I'll admit. But it's all we have to go on.

Proposition: which of mankind's "faith traditions" sounds like it would come from the Creator? I will leave the question there, but for my part there are probably only one or two plausible candidates. The "messages" that instruct me to inflict cruelties on others I will reject, subjectively it's true, from their contents. They don't sound like they come from the Creator. At least, not as I think He would be.

Now although the Declaration of Independence isn't strictly speaking, an inspired document, certain parts of it pass that "content analysis" test. I can reasonable imagine the Creator giving sentient beings dignity and sending us out to learn and find happiness. I can credit Him with instructing us to heal the sick, lead the blind, do good works in secret and suffer the little children to come unto us.

It's precious little, I'll admit. But accepting the validity of that signal has the virtue of excluding the messages which are unlikely to be inspired. The kind that teach us to hate; to send people into concentration camps or to enslave, murder and mutilate them. And though the guidance seems faint it is the nonetheless clear; and more importantly it may nonetheless be true.

7/05/2007 07:28:00 AM  
Blogger ZionistYoungster said...

I opine that the World War II narrative by itself is not sufficient to the understanding of the conflict of our age; merged with the Middle Ages (Age of Faith) narrative, however, you come pretty close to the target.

7/05/2007 07:55:00 AM  
Blogger Charles said...

Listen friends, and mark my words in this moment and this hour--
God is jealous for his name for his name is jealous.

Nor is this a charming flower to set before a man
nor one of his commands.

Yet, without Jesus, this is more than we can love as we desire peace,
and less than we can know as we desire joy.

For the sacred fire
that makes us liars--
I mean, that separates speech from dreams,
and separates our flesh from the future--
is God’s power manifested.
So, in the year and the hour-- for his sake, invest your desire in Jesus.
Follow his holy fire for right now. Right now he intercedes for us in heaven!

Some will say we are people of the way.
We are people of the way.
We praise his holy name Yahweh.
I am who I am.
I cause things to be.
I am the first cause of creation.
We praise his holy name Elohym.


And say “Thank you Jesus for your precious blood--
better, so much better than the blood of Abel.

7/05/2007 07:56:00 AM  
Blogger Tony said...

Sounds like we're setting up for new Khe Sanh's in the US Senate. That was a kind of pointless exercise, except for the division-size losses of our enemy. Our enemy in Iraq is nae so bold as Charlie was in 1968.

"The bill is intended to create conditions that could allow for a drawdown of American combat forces in Iraq by March 2008. Under S.1545, the U.S. military could maintain a long-term but more limited presence in Iraq—focused on protecting American personnel and interests, training and advising Iraqi forces, and carrying out counterterrorism and special operations missions."

We'll go back to the peaceful air wars of the '90's, when there was no "anti-war movement" perhaps. That worked great against Al Qaeda in the '90's, we can be confident it will work just as well now.

Besides, after 9/11, everybody loved America? Remember then? And Bush messed it all up. After seeing how well ignoring our enemy in Afghanistan worked, after 9/11 was the perfect time to back off from poor oppressed Saddam. Our French, Russian and Chinese friends would have loved us even more, I'm sure.

I remember how much the Russians and Chinese loved us during Vietnam. Seems like they are re-living Nam too.

7/05/2007 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

I'm sorry, I wrote my last post before understanding the spiritual turn this thread had taken. I hadn't read Wretchard's lovely second post, or Charles' poetry. W wrote:

I can credit Him with instructing us to heal the sick, lead the blind, do good works in secret and suffer the little children to come unto us.

Come back to DogHead! The above is the kind of stuff dogs do naturally. Not to mention they are fearless and each one is spiritually tatooed: "IDIE4U". And they only want to be good.

I pray to Jesus every day, but I understand that the history of Man is the history of War. Based on history, Christianity has been the world's most successful vessel of war, based on the Christian successes over the past 1,000 years or so. Ironic, ain't it?

We mean well.

(Hope this wasn't excessively irreverent. If so, forgive me, I'm Irish, one of the few Christian countries that hasn't counquered anyone since the Romans.)

7/05/2007 04:08:00 PM  
Blogger Crazy Marzouq Redneck Muslim said...

Cool thread for 7/4/07!

Couldn't access net yesterday.

My only comment at this point is belated happy Independence Day.

Muhammad spoke highly of Jesus and added to Him, not superceding Him. Peace be upon them both.

Who needs a middleman anyway when the Holy Spirit, the Super Ginn is available. This is Whom the prophets spoke of.

Salaam eleikum! Allahu akbar! Yeeeeeehah!

7/05/2007 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger PierreLegrand said...

Wretchard not sure if you realize this but the site is reacting funny with IE. Works perfectly with Firefox but IE only displays 2.5 posts and no PJ Media ads. Just thought you would want to know.

Btw you are one of my top 5 bloggers so even though we may disagree about Islam you are a must read. I understand why you don't want to ship Ed Hussien and his like back I am sorry but it is not "radical" Islam that is the problem. It is Islam itself and no I have no solution...worthy of discussion how to correct such a massive problem.

But I do know that like you I believe that if the Government allows a serious attack on this country by its timidity in naming our enemy then nothing will stop the horrific bloodshed that will befall the good, bad and indifferent muslims around the world.

All the more reason to find a way to stop it.

7/05/2007 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger Charles said...

(last verses of the bible)
Revelation 22

16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

17The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.

18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.

7/05/2007 08:16:00 PM  
Blogger Mike H. said...

Old proverb (but I don't think that it's in the bible): The Lord helps those who help themselves.

When the time comes to take the country back from those who have lost direction there will be enough folks to do it. The dissatisfaction is already manifesting itself even though the politicians can't see it.

7/05/2007 10:12:00 PM  
Blogger Charles said...

Old proverb (but I don't think that it's in the bible): The Lord helps those who help themselves.
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You're right. Its not from the bible.

7/06/2007 03:46:00 AM  

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