Thursday, June 14, 2007

Back from the Dead

The Senate is going to revive the stalled immigration bill. Michelle Malkin says "shamnesty" is back on the table. The Strata-Sphere says with 2/3 of Americans supporting some sort of legalization, the gamble to kill immigration is dead.

This immgration issue has divided many conservatives. Some honestly see it as another dishonest compromise of border integrity while others see it as a necessary evil which while not perfect, offers some improvement over the status quo.

Nothing follows.


Blogger PierreLegrand said...

Sorry but describing AJ at Strata Sphere as a conservative is a stretch. He is simply a staunch Bush supporter who never see's anything wrong with anything that Bush declares to be right. His stretches on Immigration are pitiful to watch...he simply cannot make any meaningful arguements to defend Bush indefensible advocacy of illegal immigration so he uses the favorite tactic of the left, he attacks the person not the message.

Anyone who is against the abortion of an immigration bills is a right wing fanatic bigot according to him and the unsurprisingly all of the President's men.

The Reason Amnesty won’t work even if President Bush hoodwinks us into passing the “comprehensive bill”

6/14/2007 08:39:00 PM  
Blogger whiskey_199 said...

Wretchard -- AJ is not a conservative.

What the Amnesty / Open Borders project is designed to do is replace Americans with Mexicans. Simple as that. Just as Euro-crats wish to replace Europeans with Arabs.

Various business interests, mostly construction, hospitality, and other labor-intensive businesses that cannot relocate to chase cheap labor want cheap and compliant Mexican labor to replace costly American labor.

Dems and Liberals and Identity Politics La Raza folks want to erase the White working/middle class with "colorful" Mexicans who as an added bonus won't compete upwardly for privileged White leadership and can make gardeners and maids ever cheaper and more subservient.

Reps chase cheap labor and the idea that replacing Americans with Mexicans will protect them from "racism" charges.

About 80% of Americans HATE this Amnesty and Open Borders bill, they know they will no longer live in America but Mexico. English will no longer be spoken but rather, Spanish. The American Flag will no longer fly but rather the Mexican Flag. La Raza folks will exclude all non "Race" folks like Whites (a feature greatly desired by the Elites who hate the average White guy), Blacks (already ethnically cleansed from many places in Los Angeles) and Asians.

It's a disaster which will turn America into Mexico and by definition make the average white guy a discriminated minority. Something Liberals greatly desire, by the way. They love this. It will of course be remembered.

For a long time the Straight White Guy Identity Politics were tainted by the racism of the KKK. That won't last forever, particularly as La Raza which practices exclusionary IP excludes the former majority which will now be a minority. I don't expect a Serbian reaction but I do expect a very angry one which will not stop just because the elites intend on replacing those who are politically incorrect in their identities.

6/14/2007 09:00:00 PM  
Blogger Triton'sPolarTiger said...

When will Atlas Shrug?

6/14/2007 10:05:00 PM  
Blogger some said...

Wretch, you've got the facts wrong. The bill has about 20% support, with over 50% passionate opposition. About 70% want the border closed before trying anything else.

More important is something I've been thinking about this last month: this bill, supported by Beltway insiders and their big business lobbyists and passionately loathed by actual conservative voters and activists, is the suicide of the Republican party. Because it was already attempted last year in the teeth of the base (not to mention last month), its offense is much multiplied. Its passage would torpedo any chance of the party regaining Congress before a mass terror incident here, and probably sinks 2008 Presidential hopes (which are otherwise, I think, pretty good) as well.

In other words, with the Democrats' proven unwillingness to fight, the future of the war -- at least for the medium term, say a decade -- is being decided in a contest between conservative activists and Beltway panjandrums on an apparently unrelated issue that foreign (non-Mexican) media is likely to neglect.

So what I wonder is, do you and other war allies abroad realize what's being decided here, almost in secret even to non-politics-following Americans?

6/14/2007 11:35:00 PM  
Blogger some said...

Its passage would torpedo any chance of the party regaining Congress

To clarify, I mean that Michelle's key observation is not the content of the bill (which is bad enough, mostly over time), but that if it passes, the conservative coalition is finished. A large chunk of conservatives will stop giving time, money, and support to the Republican party and its candidates, swinging every close race to Democrats. A miniature version of this happened in 2006.

Did the Vietnamese realize, I wonder, that a pointless DC burglary would doom their country to Communist hell? Did Iranians know it meant the unleashing of Islamism?

6/14/2007 11:50:00 PM  
Blogger geoffb said...

Some said,
"Did the Vietnamese realize, I wonder, that a pointless DC burglary would doom their country to Communist hell?"

Actually there was a point to the Watergate burglary (See "Silent Coup" by Colodny and Gettlin also "Secret Agenda" by Hougan) just not a point the MSM has ever wanted the general public to see.

On the Immigration Bill I think most conservatives will stop the general support of anyone one having an "R" by their name and support only conservative or conservative leaning candidates. This will cause a real shakeup on the primary level. It happened in 2006 in my district. We had a conservative congressman for many years. He retired and a Rino was elected in his place. The Rino served 1 term and was displaced in the primary by a conservative Republican who handily won election against the tide of the 2006 election.

6/15/2007 07:05:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

To those that were around, or care to recall, the disemowelment of the Bush Administration over the Border Security issue was fore told, a year, 18 months ago, right on this blog.

For those that chose to ignore the warnings, to discount the seriousness of the challenge to the mussulmen wars that the Presidental loss of support would entail, caused directly by his lack of enforcement of US security concerns, tough tittie. You were warned.

The Democrats will have control of the Government of the United States, come '09.

It's gonna be grand, or not.

But the mussulman wars, there'll be a hiatus, for US.

6/15/2007 07:41:00 AM  
Blogger BigLeeH said...

The interesting thing about the schism within the ranks of the conservatives is that it has become so polarized that the two sides can no longer agree on anything. When the two sides split each was holding on to a few key "facts" and the fabric of reality tore neatly in two. The level of popular support for the immigration bill is one of those facts claimed by both sides.

Do 70 percent of the population support some sort of compromise on immigration? Or is the actual number 20 percent? No man can say and nobody is particularly interested in finding out. It is one of the comforts of holding to a monotheistic religion that one can say with some confidence, "God only knows." If there were two gods they would probably disagree.

6/15/2007 07:54:00 AM  
Blogger Cosmo said...

The particulars of the bill are, to me, irrelevant. That's because its enforcement provisions will be abandoned once the bill passes -- just as past enforcement measures have been abandoned with impunity and without consequence.

We're asked to believe that a system presently unable to identify and track those here illegally -- even those who have been ordered to leave the U.S. -- will now assume the responsibility to levy and collect fines from largely unbanked and highly transient immigration law breakers.

More unbelievably, we're told that this is how enforcement will be funded.

Even more unbelievable, this will be accomplished in a nation of declared and virtual 'sanctuary cities', where law enforcement is largely prohibited from inquiring about immigration status in the first place.

It's not the bill -- its the promises I know will be broken.

6/15/2007 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger Crazy Marzouq Redneck Muslim said...

It is disgusting and depressing. Indeed, when will Atlas shrug.

It is so simple and in typical congressional fashion it will get neutered by the "greatest deliberative body."

Again, too many of the "servants of the people" seem to looking out for their wallets and special interests.

Again, the saner American people's will is ignored.

I see the suffering first hand in the workplace where I temporarily labor. I saw it first hand along the Arizona border. Although there has been improvement of interdiction and depth of border defense, we have the poloticos and lawyers trying to neuter the BP agents.

Yea, will Atlas ever shrug.

Salaam eleikum.

6/15/2007 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger Red River said...

Wretchard, the opposition to the Bill is very deep and very strong.

Talking to everyone I know, the immigration issue cuts across party, economic, ethnic, and gender affiliations.

I know of NO ONE who is for it among my friends and that cuts a pretty wide swath.

The emotions are getting stronger and stronger as people get more frustrated.

Last night's city council meeting in Irving, Texas almost became a riot.

6/15/2007 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger Red River said...

Atlas Shrugging.

What a concept.

What if the top 20% of wage earners in the US took a one month unpaid leave of absence?

Or three months? Or elected to be paid next year for the work this year?

6/15/2007 03:40:00 PM  

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