Monday, November 20, 2006

Seller's Remorse

First by Michael Fumento at the Weekly Standard; second by the UK Times. Both accounts portray events in Ramadi as a defeat for the insugents and a victory for both Iraqi and US forces.

Hey, but's temporary right. And blows after the bell has rung down count. But seriously, how much of this matters in the process of engagement with Syria and Iran? Because one of the things any negotiator must do is assess the cards he holds. What are these cards worth exactly? And if the commanders actually think they have a chance to win, has that been ruled out? Those are legitimate questions and I wonder what the answer is?


Blogger wretchard said...

Blackfive has thoughts from an officer called "Six Steps to Victory".

His plan has been vetted at various levels, but I know he would really appreciate hearing from the troops in Iraq about this. While no plan survives the battlefield, he'd like to bullet proof it as much as possible. His draft plan is now an article in the Weekly Standard.

Question. Is victory off the table? because sometimes when reading the papers it sure sounds like it.

11/20/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger summignumi said...

The Dinosaur Media, Democrats and everything else evil under the son that wants to see a US defeat has called it for the Narcissistic Homicide Cult Maniacs, GW seems to have rolled over and sits for an ear scratching from Nancy, It is really looking dark but maybe that is when the son will shine again!

11/20/2006 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Damn Wretchard, They open up a Starbucks where you are?

11/20/2006 04:44:00 PM  
Blogger Mark White said...

Victory in Ramadi is sweet, but without victory in the enemy's center of gravity, the war goes on. The center of gravity for the War on Terror is the Persian Gulf's oilfields, where both the Sunni (Saudi Arabian Wahabbis) and Shiite (Iranian mullahs) branches of Islamism get the funds they need to keep Al Quaida and Hezbollah and allied militias in the field. Take the fields, take away the funds, and watch the terror dry up. But unless we're serious about defunding the terror masters, defeating their minions in places like Ramadi will be nothing more than a colonial policiing exercise. To win a war, you have to fight the war, not treat it as a police problem.

11/20/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Blogger Cedarford said...

Sorry, but in the context of us "winning the battle" of Fallujah, Ramadi, the Hillayah encounter, the "victory" over one of 3 IED gangs in Baghdad....

We also won all those sort of battles in Vietnam, but lost the war to poor US leadership, poor US strategy, ineffective attention to the propaganda war, and the "noble S. Vietnamese" not stepping up.

Sadly, many Vietnam analogies are indeed becoming more apt.

11/20/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

There's a part in the UK Times article about finding hundreds of foreign fighter graves. Also about how the whole of Ramadi has been smashed up.

One school of thought is that nothing leaves a mark on the enemy. They just shrug it off. But I wonder whether this indifference to pain is all its cracked up to be? At any rate, that is the enemy's secret to keep. What the enemy now knows is what the political leadership's threshold of pain is.

One writer said that it took the NYT years to turn on LBJ but only days to turn on GWB. Whatever one's opinion on the subject of the war the observation about the reduction in staying power since Vietnam looks to be factually correct.

11/20/2006 04:58:00 PM  
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11/20/2006 05:27:00 PM  
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11/20/2006 05:32:00 PM  
Blogger Pascal Fervor said...


Those who peddle pessimism are quite at odds with Iraqis who bought into the American President's optimistic vision. I'm curious who will be suffering seller's remorse When Iraqis Learn to Recognize the Enemy.

11/20/2006 05:39:00 PM  
Blogger Wu Wei said...

> One writer said that it took the NYT years to turn on LBJ but only days to turn on GWB.

It's been over a year for Bush, not days. His approval rating for Iraq kept dropping, questions were asked, and all Bush fed back was arrogance.

11/20/2006 10:05:00 PM  
Blogger summignumi said...

Wretchard, the writings of Churchill and past historical accounts plainly state that the “Narcissistic Homicide Cult Maniacs” also known as Muslims shrug off their losses because to the dead and soon to join them they are entering into Paradise with sex galore waiting, the only folks in the current here and now that get worried are the manipulative IMAMS that do know the truth but seek their power over life and death and to enjoy the greatest comforts they can, there is but one way to end this and that is to do as the Saudi have taken note from our past, the Russians and Chinese have tried and you wrote about very recently is thru education of their very young, spreading the truth. The oil fields is certainly their largest provider of cash but not the reason, the world will never rid itself of the need for the black gold so our only true path to finish this virulent disease is thru the teaching and enforcement of the truth.

11/21/2006 02:54:00 AM  
Blogger genwolf said...

wu wei:
Bush has not been the most eloquent advocate for his own policies, but I am always a little wary of the charge of arrogance - it is too often a bit of a case of projection, in Bush's case the charge of arrogance seems mostly motivated by the fact that Bush has the temerity to dare disagree with the views of those who accuse him of arrogance.

11/22/2006 10:28:00 AM  

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