Wednesday, May 17, 2006

Waiting Period

It's fairly safe to say that a Turkish lawyer's decision to shoot five judges over a decision to ban headscarves won't be touted as the new Columbine.

A gunman shouting "Allah is Great" struck at the heart of Turkey's secular establishment yesterday, killing a judge and wounding four others at the highest administrative court.

The attacker, a lawyer, used his ID to get past security at the Council of State in the capital, Ankara. Armed with a plastic-coated Glock pistol, he made his way to the eighth floor, where the second chamber was in session. He broke into the room and unloaded two clips from his pistol, shouting, "I am a soldier of Allah", witnesses said. Police caught him trying to flee using a back door. He was named by Turkish media as Alpaslan Aslan, 29. ...

One of the injured judges, Mustafa Birden, made headlines earlier this year when he ruled that teachers, who are banned from wearing the Islamic headscarf at work, could not cover their heads even on their way to school. He has reportedly received death threats since then. One Islamist newspaper printed photographs of him and other judges from the court's second chamber, which deals with education issues.

It used to be said that the "pen was mightier than the sword". A ban on swords means it makes even greater sense to ban pens. If Koranic bookstores were held to the same standard as gunstores there would probably be an outcry in Europe. But if the authorities inexplicably decided that books, not people, killed people then authorities might get a running start on their campaign by adapting the messages from the Brady Campaign.

Why Should I Have to Wait to Buy a Handgun?

Why Should I Have to Wait to Buy a Koran?

How many times have you seen the phrase "in a jealous rage" in newspapers reporting about a homicide in your area? Or "a crime of passion"? They may seem like clichés, but clichés are born out of fact. And surely using a gun in the act of committing a crime of rage or passion happens far too often in this country.

Why is it necessary to be able to buy a gun - the only commercially marketed product designed solely to kill - with so little restrictions, precautions, safety requirements or investigation to determine whether or not the purchaser has a history of crime or violence? Yet for most of this nation's history, this has been the case. And daily headlines betray our lack of concern for this tragically preventable loss of life. ...

The Gun Control Act of 1968 established categories of prohibited gun purchasers and possessors, including convicted felons, fugitives from justice, minors, individuals with a history of mental illness, anyone dishonorably discharged from the military, expatriates, and illegal aliens. But, until the implementation of the Brady Law in 1994, gun sales operated on an "honor system." A prospective firearm purchaser merely had to sign a statement attesting that he or she was not legally forbidden from purchasing a firearm. In most states, no follow-up was conducted to make sure the statements made on the form were true. ...

How many times have you seen the phrase "Allah made me do it" in newspapers reporting about a beheading in your area? Or "a punishment for blasphemy"? They may seem like clichés, but clichés are born out of fact. And surely using a Koranic verse in the act of committing a crime of rage or passion happens far too often in this country.

Why is it necessary to be able to buy a book - designed solely to inspire killing - with so little restrictions, precautions, safety requirements or investigation to determine whether or not the purchaser has a history of crime or violence? Yet for most of this nation's history, this has been the case. And daily headlines betray our lack of concern for this tragically preventable loss of life.

The Koran Control Act of 2008 established categories of prohibited book purchasers and possessors, including convicted terrorists, fugitives from Guantanmo, IED manufacturers, individuals with a history of mental illness, anyone dishonorably discharged from penitentiaries, known to insert explosives in their shoes, or with a pathological hatred for Jews. But, until the implementation of the Koran Control Law in 2008, sales operated on an "honor system." A prospective purchaser merely had to sign a statement attesting that he or she could write. In most states, no follow-up was conducted to make sure the statements made on the form were true. ...

 

This is parody but I'm not exactly sure why. This parody is in fact the actual argument made for banning "hate speech", except "hate speech" only seems to apply to people like Paul Belien of the Brussels Journal but hardly ever to the fire-breathing Imams of mosques. Belien wrote:

Following last Thursday’s Antwerp massacre the Belgian authorities have announced zero tolerance for racism. Belgian journalists, lawyers and politicians (including Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt), say that I am responsible for creating the atmosphere of hatred that led to the massacre. Some people even demand that I be prosecuted.

Belgian television and the Brussels papers say that the Antwerp shoot-out is the result of my writings. Regular readers of The Brussels Journal know my view well enough: I have repeatedly defended the view that Muslim immigrants are not to blame for Europe's predicament. The latter is entirely of our own making. Europeans have foolishly replaced God by the State as the one on whom they rely to take care of all their needs from cradle to grave. The religious vacuum has led to a demographic vacuum, because those who lose faith in God lose faith in the future as well. A civilization that has created a religious and a demographic vacuum is bound to perish.

The lights are turning out for Europe. If America follows Europe’s example Christendom is lost.

Why exactly should Belien be treated differently from Mohammed? The principle of free speech means that to give Mohammed his due means the same must be given Belien. And the request for its return means it is already gone. The scarf goes over the eyes, with the last cigarette and the wooden post.

184 Comments:

Blogger desert rat said...

Betrayal of the 'brown memsahib'
by Magnus Linklater

The treatment of Ayaan Hirsi Ali marks a sad day for the West, says our correspondent

It seems worse than sad, to me.
Ms Hirsi Ali will be turning off the lights, as she leave Holland.

This story, however by Kathleen Parker tries to answer the question of why "hate" is a one way street.

White males - descendant as they are of the imperialistic, colonizing, native-raping patriarchy - are the new culturally approved targets of the lynch mob.

5/17/2006 07:26:00 PM  
Blogger Red River said...

Makes me want to go outside practice El-Presidentes with three copies of Mohammed's face.

5/17/2006 07:28:00 PM  
Blogger Elam Bend said...

Those who try to muzzle Belien don't do so because they don't like what he says. Indeed, they may even agree with him, if not intrinsicly know what he writes is true. However, they are not afraid of him as they are "The Other," thus rather than confronting "The Other" they try to suppress he that points out the inconvenient truth.
If they feed the monster someone else, perhaps it will eat them last.

5/17/2006 07:48:00 PM  
Blogger Meme chose said...

It truly is the 1930's all over again in Europe. They have learned nothing since they unleashed carnage across the whole world.

5/17/2006 08:01:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Cleaning out old files, came across this--from a year-and-a-half ago.

5/17/2006 08:01:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Mabuse said...

Have Europeans not treated us to patronizing lectures about our naivete on the subject of war and force, because "We have first-hand experience of what war is like!" The distinction of having demolished their own continent in WWII supposedly endowed them with insight far beyond that of safe, protected Yanks, with our fanciful notions of fighting for what's right. Well, all that precious experience seems to have evaporated into thin air, now that Europe is literally re-experiencing the 1930s, with dissident artists and intellectuals (not to mention Jews) fleeing for their lives to America and safety. I have not yet read a single European commentary on this ominous recurrence of history; you'd think that Hitler simply dropped out of the sky onto Europe in 1939. They've learned nothing.

5/17/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Blogger Charles said...

Well, all that precious experience seems to have evaporated into thin air, now that Europe is literally re-experiencing the 1930s, with dissident artists and intellectuals (not to mention Jews) fleeing for their lives to America and safety.
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The USA is in deep doo doo if that flight include islamists.

5/17/2006 08:25:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

The Islamist newspaper which incited against those judges -- have they nothing to fear?

5/17/2006 08:31:00 PM  
Blogger Sol Ta Triane said...

FIrst, your last post was on to something. Intuition is happening and the times are changing.

Now about saying that the reading of Koran is dangerous....

Long before 9-11 I studied the Koran and saw its danger. I have no idea why our government is actually passing out this violent treatise to potentially dangerous captives. Why not let jailbirds think a little without a Koran and maybe their humanity will kick in. It is rare that Muslims ever read it much anyway, sorry. Now the USA must encourage reading this cultist killing manual?
I blame Bush for being stupid enough to buy Korans and give them away.
The Koran is essentially a promotion of materialism, the opposite of spirituality. It is an obcession with land, wealth, worldly and otherworldly gain and belongs along side the teachings of the social progressives Jim Jones and Adolf Hitler.

5/17/2006 08:42:00 PM  
Blogger MnMark said...

I suggest the Mr. Belien get a visa to the US and overstay it, or go walk across the border with Mexico and get here that way. We can use more of his kind here, and I think it would symbolically important if the Europeans saw their more conservative public figures seeking "asylum" in the US. The more quickly the European patient can be brought to a crisis point, the less of its strength will have been sapped before the fight begins, and the better its chances of survival.

Besides I would hate to see Mr. Belien in prison or attacked by muslims. That fate should be left to the European leftists who are committing national suicide over there.

5/17/2006 08:48:00 PM  
Blogger Karridine said...

Solburger, better yet, let the inmates read from the writings of the Glory of God.

This would ensure that at least ONCE in their lives, they were exposed to the humanizing, civilizing power of the Faith of God!

5/17/2006 08:50:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The body of the Glock is made of a composite "plastic" material.

founded by Mr. Gaston Glock, an engineer, in 1963 in Austria. In the early 1980s, the Austrian military decided to acquire a new duty pistol. This was a challenge for Glock, since pistols were not part of its product line at that time.

The fact that GLOCK was a newcomer to this field turned out to be an advantage -- GLOCK was able to develop a revolutionary new product according to the customer's needs, rather than modify an already existing product.

The result was a breakthrough in firearms technology. With its polymer frame, the GLOCK pistol was considerably light in weight had the highest magazine capacity of any other pistol in its class.

5/17/2006 09:24:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Did not take long for the Darfur Ceasefire to break down.

KHARTOUM, Sudan (AP) — Ignoring a peace pact, armed militiamen attacked several villages this week in Sudan's Darfur region, killing at least 11 people and wounding many others, the United Nations said Wednesday.
The raids occurred in seven villages around the town of Kutum in north Darfur on Monday, the U.N. said.

The U.N. did not blame any specific group for the attacks, but the African Union has said the raids were carried out by Arab militias known as the Janjaweed. ..."

5/17/2006 09:28:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Conservative Brussels Journal Threatened by Socialist Belgian Government:

US journalist Rod Dreher, called the attempt to silence Brussels Journal, “an outrage, and beyond chilling.”

“The material Belien and his writers publish,” Dreher writes at BeliefNet.com, “would be quite mainstream in America. And now the weight of the Belgian state may be brought down to crush him and silence this independent outlet for criticism and commentary.”

Brussels Journal

5/17/2006 10:09:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

I pose a question. Do insane Islamic acts bring converts to Islam or do they solidify a growing body of fear and rejection and do so in increasing numbers? The last gasps of political correctness should not be viewed as a trend left. The opposite is happening, and not soon enough. Do not be too critical of the Europeans. They are restricting Islamic immigration rapidly while US marines are handing out Korans with gloved hands at Guantanamo.

Islam is slowly killing itself. Sweet.

5/18/2006 12:10:00 AM  
Blogger sam said...

A Throne in Brussels:

If Crown Princess Charlotte had not died in childbirth in 1817, she and her husband, Leopold of Saxe-Coburg, would have succeeded to the British throne. But instead the great powers installed Leopold as king of Belgium - a new, artificial state inhabited by Catholic Dutch in the North, and French-speaking Walloons in the South.

Belgium is sometimes compared to multilingual Switzerland, but whereas Switzerland grew organically, gradually creating a Swiss national consciousness, Belgium is an artificial state, in which two peoples were forced to live together and where no Belgian national consciousness developed. It could fall apart in the next ten years.

A Throne

5/18/2006 01:03:00 AM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

john,

I don't know as we should hope for the avian flu to decimate the Muslim world. Personally I have nothing against Muslims, which is not the same as expressing an acquiescence to extremist Islamism. It's the weakness of the West that has made the simple problem of facing up to thugs into a world crisis. The asking price for making the world safe for the psychotic West is elminating all projecting surfaces -- such as the Islamic World -- which are threats to a society living in its dreams.

The liberal West needs its padded cell; needs a world in which it cannot come to hurt, for it has lost the natural societal defenses which even primitive tribes have. It needs someone to make the threats all go away and sometimes I think the liberal world secretly hopes GWB would nuke the Islamic world, which would give them safety without guilt. An avian flu, a GWB nuke, an act of a God they don't believe in -- anything so that the music will always play.

But history, if we prefer the term to God, is not always so obliging. It may even be just. The appeasers will have to pay full price, just like it did the last time. The cup will not pass away.

5/18/2006 03:28:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I wonder how far back in time you could extend that fantasy mechanism for the left's obsession with the dangerous hyper aggressive warmongering they always attribute to the right?

The Ultimate Free Lunch:

The Right Wing Hawks wipe out all the real bad guys, the womb is made safe, and the left is left with a Bogeyman Piñata to flagellate mercilessly with projected guilt.
Nirvana.
Strangelove Lives!

5/18/2006 04:08:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

When Valve-Stem Tools are outlawed, only Tire Terrorists will be able to deflate Tires.

5/18/2006 04:17:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Buddy's link from JANUARY 13, 2005
Read the whole thing!

"At the moment, our political and moral considerations hamper the battle to expunge Islamic Totalitarianism, and victory is a word not often heard from our leadership.
Instead, one gets the impression that the President and his core group would prefer it if Americans and the world began to think of the Iraq stage of the Terrorist War as a kind of Tsunami relief effort with guns.
This is not a condition that can be sustained for an indefinite period.

We need to stop pretending. The goal of the Terrorist War must shift from the oft-trumpeted plan of "implanting democracy and bringing freedom" to one of unconditional victory over Islamic Totalitarianism.

While "giving the gift of democracy" is a comforting and warm notion on which to run for re-election, it does nothing to achieve victory, since it denies that victory is a goal.

Instead, according to the prevailing message being repeated ad nauseum from the administration, "democracy and freedom" are the goals of this war.
This is sheer propaganda.

Democracy and freedom for others cannot be the goals of war. They can only be the fruits of something more primary -- victory.
Absent the goal of victory, this will indeed become
"The Forever War,"
and America cannot sustain such an effort.
Without the announcement of and an immediate and sustained move to obtain victory in Iraq, the whole momentum of the Terrorist War, always shaky, will slow and, in time, reverse itself.

At that point the administration will find itself in the often-predicted quagmire, except that it will be on its own making.

It is perfectly feasible that in concentrating too hard on winning the hearts and mind of the Iraqi people, we will lose the Iraq portion of the war.
Once that occurs then all that is left is to wait for the second and more deadly path to open in the Terrorist War.
"

5/18/2006 04:28:00 AM  
Blogger Charles said...

Gloria Patri, et Filio et Spiritui Sancto.
Secut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper,
et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.
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that said we are coming up on a divided future history between the earth and the stars.

5/18/2006 05:13:00 AM  
Blogger enscout said...

Yes, Wretchard, habu is right. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth when you say you have no problem with a people who have, at their head, a God of death.

"I support the troops but I don't support the war". It's the same convoluted thinking.

5/18/2006 05:13:00 AM  
Blogger Karridine said...

Habu_1 (4:49)

May 23, 1844 an expectant Christendom DID NOT get the news of the Coming of The Bab (The Gate).

Also known as the Qaim (The Point) round Whom all humanity turns, He declared, May 23rd, that He WAS the Holy One, promised by Jesus and Muhammad, Who had come as John the Baptist came: to prepare the way for the Promised One of All Ages.

This news spread throughout Persia, and soon His Being was reported to Muslim religious (hence, political) authorities.

He was tolerated for less than a year; imprisoned; beaten bloody with the bastinado; and hung by the wrists in a barrack square in front of 10,000 hostile onlookers, and shot to death.

By the SECOND regiment of riflemen to shoot Him point-blank that day, July 9, 1850.

His death was prelude to the coming of the Glory of God, a young man known for His purity of motive, His honesty, and His reputation as One Who, from the age of SIX, had answered EVERY QUESTION put to Him, correctly, succinctly and courteously.

IF these Two ARE the 'Twin Candlesticks' and 'Twin Shining Lights' foretold in the Book of Revelations, their coming is of utmost importance to humankind, as THEY bring the Operating Manual for humans, regardless of race, creed or intellect.

These Two have publicly, explicitly abrogated MUCH that was/is Islam. The Islamic leaders, in fact, have turned away from the Word of God, and engage in the 'damnable heresy' of 'scoffing and denying' our Lord who redeems us has returned.

Instead, they offer up to their ignorant people demagoguery of the first order:
WE ARE GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE!
ONLY WE are clean and good!
Jews and Baha'is cause our problems!
God promises to give us the world!
WE MUST RULE all humanity!


habu_1, THIS is the difference Wretchard acknowledges, between "Islamic" dogma and 'moderate, non-killing Muslims'

He has also discussed the role of FEAR within the Muslim community, to control, cow and douse flames of courage.

5/18/2006 05:24:00 AM  
Blogger RWE said...

The difficulty here is that IAW post-Civil Rights Movement dogma we are taught that we must respect someone's beliefs and can only respond - even verbally - when he actually does something illegal that reflects those beliefs.

Even saying "Boy, those ideas are disgusting and stupid." is considered an attack on Free Speech rights in many cases.

On the other hand, some beliefs are attacked even when unaccompanied by actions, such as that "historian" in Europe who was lcoked up for denying the Holocost. Or that convicted Pedophile in the U.S. that was put away a while back because they found fictional attacks on children on his computer.

It is curious indeed to observe those instances in which mere words are deemed sufficient for emprisonment versus when they are a protected right that is safe from even adverse comment.

I don't have a clue what the rules are.

5/18/2006 05:49:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

That fla,ing liberal, Bob Novak
Critics of Goss claim that, as a legislator, he was a poor administrator (the complaint that habitually follows a high-profile sacking in government). But they do not appreciate the anger Bush generated among Goss' friends in Congress. One senior House Republican, asking that his name not be used, told me: "Porter was unceremoniously kicked in the butt. He was treated with contempt."

Correctly or not, the treatment of Goss has caused speculation in Congress that Bush is making a peace offering to his critics at Langley. A president waging a global war against terror can hardly function with an intelligence agency whose employees make off-the-record speeches against his policies, contribute to his political opponents and leak secrets to the news media. Was getting rid of Goss the equivalent of a white flag of surrender?

Such interpretations suggest that there is basically non-communication between Bush and fellow Republicans in Congress. The president had to summon the speaker of the House to calm him down because he had given him no heads-up earlier. More than difficulties at the CIA need to be resolved as the GOP lurches toward the dreaded mid-term elections.


The Speaker's Wrath

The white flag of surrender, it's flying over the Green Zone in Baghdad now that Mr al-Sadr's team has taken over.

Mr Bremmer said the radical Islami would win the Elections, they did.

Then Mr Rumsfeld said if we left Iraq the resulting Government would be "same as Saddam"
He's right, again.

The New York Observer must be channeling the Belmont Club, as well. It seems they see a Skull & Bones Policy position taking shape on the Immigration Issue
Maybe John Kerry did actually win Ohio after all, ... ... since he seems to be running immigration policy.

Interesting thing, that Mr Richard Brookhiser joins the ever increasing crew that sees Mr Bush's actions that way.

Hail Yale, the gangs all from there.
Perhaps Mr Bush has not really surrendered, without the possibility of reelection, his true colors are just making their appearence.

5/18/2006 06:09:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"... PARIS (Agence France-Presse) -- They are highly motivated, battle-hardened, mobile -- and therefore, dangerous. And the return of Europe's jihadists from Iraq is giving the Continent's intelligence services nightmares.
As far back as October, Iraqi Interior Minister Bayan Jabr warned that intercepted correspondence between Abu Musab Zarqawi, the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, and other figures in the movement had revealed a decision to send large numbers of Islamist volunteers back to their countries of origin to wage holy war.


Seems thatALL the flies did not stick to the paper.

"... "I cannot say how many cases we are talking about, but it is a question of logic. Up until now, inquiries were focused on volunteers traveling to Iraq. Now we are beginning to get indications that they have begun to return," he said.
"Infrastructures are being put in place to accommodate them," added the judge, who spoke from the French city of Lyon, where he was attending an Interpol meeting. ...
...Claude Moniquet, director of the Brussels-based European Strategic Intelligence and Security Center, estimates that there are "several hundred" former fighters from Iraq in Western Europe and says they are "potentially very dangerous."
"Given the high motivation and the youth of these Iraqi volunteers, the risk that they will start to commit terrorist acts on European soil is very real," he said.
"It is pretty much impossible to organize the surveillance of several hundred people across Europe," he said. "Effective surveillance of one person requires an absolute minimum of 12 to 15 officers. Multiply that by several hundred, and you need thousands. And even then, we're talking about a makeshift operation." ..."


The Washington Times reporting from Europe

5/18/2006 06:46:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

The Dick List has a lengthy, scathing commentary on the “Yids”. It is rare for a Roman Catholic to take such interest in this subset of Judaism; usually, hatred of these folk is kept within the Jewish community. By the 33rd paragraph of a 39 paragraph article his motive is given: “At my local school board's elections, the Yids are attempting a takeover” and “[T]he Yids have moved en masse to dominate the school board.” Sensing what may be in store for the rest of us, the author has done a thorough study of the “Yids” and breathlessly published his results, saving us the bother.

The author accuses “Yid” males of widespread solicitation of prostitution. “Yids” are arrested in “huge” numbers, he claims. Despite having knowledgeable “friends in the NYPD” he gives no numbers to corroborate the claim.

The author accuses the “Yid” establishment of practicing or at least countenancing the sexual abuse of eight day old males. “Cock sucking” is the way he puts it. “Cock sucking” that has led to a rash of infant deaths from STDs such as herpes, gonorhea, and syphillis. How many children have perished in this way? Again, the author does not provide numbers. In fairness, his accusations moderated over two paragraphs, going from “kept presenting at Ers” to a “few”. Well, for the record, one infant died of herpes, which may or may not have been associated with his circumscion.

Says the author, “So now you know about Yids and how they are probably the most powerful and pernicious cult/mafia orgnization in the world.” Well, no I don’t, actually. Although I am willing to concede that there is a Russian mafia presence in Israel, that some number of Orthodox Jews are thought to have affiliation with that mafia, and that Israel has a problem with ilicit drug useage.

It is true that hasidic Jews have moved en mass into neighborhoods and even some small towns, the demographic shift causing anger among the old-timers. The Mormons of Missouri ran into the same hostility in the 19th C. Indeed, they were run out of the state by the militia and the legislature passed a “shoot on sight” law covering every Mormon man, woman, and child (not rescinded until the 1980’s, if memory serves). It is also true that they are accused of being avid consumers of welfare, with justification in my opinion. Is slander really an effective means to challenge unfavorable demography, however?

5/18/2006 06:46:00 AM  
Blogger enscout said...

There is a war going on.

It is a war for your mind. It is taking place in your mind & my mind.

It is taking place in the mind of the "moderate" Muslim who is telling himself "if I just ignore the problem, it will go away". But this is the voice of the deceiver. The same one who is telling the Imam that he has the authority from his "holy book" to preach for the killings of innocents.

It is taking place in the minds of the western lefties, who are telling themselves "if only we could tolerate Islam we could all be friends" but again, the voice is one of deception. They are allowing themselves to be deceived just as the moderate Muslim, their mental state is the toleration of an insidious voice that tells us we should turn away & just hope evil goes away.

The war is taking place in your mind, saying " I have no problem with 'moderate Muslims' since they really don't believe in the killings". You now submit to the evil.

5/18/2006 06:54:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"Is slander really an effective means to challenge unfavorable demography, however? "

It is used againt Muslims, here, to some effect.

The prejudice against the slanders of Holocaust denial and other "hate" speach is derided, here, by our Host, myself and others.
The implementaion of Laws suppressing slander, thought to be indications of a loss of Will and coming defeat. An unwillingness to even engage in the "Battle of Ideas".

5/18/2006 06:58:00 AM  
Blogger ledger said...

The tactics of using a "Lawyer" as a weapon of state destruction seems to be a bold maneuver.

But, given the cover of "honest" democratic barrister to kill a member of a legal system - which is a democratic institution - makes sense. In fact, it seems to be a bonus to the radical Islamic Jihad front.

I wonder if this type of cloaked assassin will surface in the USA. And if so, how would his legal peers defend him?

Further does this type of terrorist need a gun - or just a bar license and the ability to file frivolous lawsuits?

5/18/2006 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

tommy
There a few metal detectors outside the "West". The Turks, they're still rather "old school" in that regard.

The advent of metal detectors, even here, is a rather recent occurance.

Chances are greater there was no technological security for the Court and the attacker, being regularly permitted in the area, would not have been searched. Doubtful that "everyone" is patted down.

It would be a disrespectful thing to do.

5/18/2006 07:05:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"Chavez accused of ties to terrorists
By Nicholas Kralev
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
May 17, 2006


Venezuela has allowed its intelligence service to become a clone of Cuba's while it shelters groups with ties to Middle East terrorists and allows weapons from its official stockpiles to reach Colombian guerrillas, a senior U.S. official said yesterday.
Those were the principal reasons why the Bush administration blacklisted Venezuela on Monday, saying it has failed to fully cooperate on counterterrorism, Thomas A. Shannon, assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, told editors and reporters at The Washington Times.
"It's our hope now that we've gotten their attention," he said of the Venezuelans, who are banned from purchasing U.S. weapons because of the listing. "We hope that we are going to be in a position where we can talk with them and look for how we can improve [our] cooperation." ..."


Talk and cooperation, that's the ticket.
That's the core of the Bush Doctrine, as I understood it.
"Support a terrorist, you are a terrorist."
Unless of course you're not,
like Hamas or Mr Chavez.

5/18/2006 07:17:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Your 6:58 AM - slander

With respect, I doubt that you, or Wretchard, or any reputable person using this site has ever willfully made a false and malicious report about any Muslim or about the Islam.

5/18/2006 07:23:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

I believe that is correct, allen, but we have defended people's "right" to be slanderous.

and then debunked.

5/18/2006 07:30:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

allen said...
"The Dick List has a lengthy, scathing commentary on the “Yids"..."


I always worry about the threat posed by the Hasidim, the Amish and Lutherans.

5/18/2006 07:41:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

An awful lot of American Foreign Policy would be strengthened if the US made a real commitment to restricting the import of foreign oil, say by five percent per year. This could be done by improved transportation efficiency, liquid fuel substitution and real incentives for synthetic liquid fuel production. If the US would enter into joint ventures with China and India in such a program it would send a real message to our friends in the ME and our real good friends in Venezuela, Mexico and Iran.

5/18/2006 07:56:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

One simple incentive would be to remove the cap on 401K and IRA contributions for stock and bond purchases in US petroleum substitution technology.

5/18/2006 07:59:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Turks March Against Shooting of Judges

The Associated Press

THURSDAY, MAY 18, 2006



ANKARA More than 15,000 Turks, including judges and lawyers, marched in the capital Thursday to condemn a shooting by a suspected Islamic fundamentalist that killed one judge and wounded four others.
The shooter reportedly said he was retaliating for a recent ruling against a teacher who wore an Islamic-style head scarf, officials said.
The New York Times quoted the authorities as saying the assailant was a lawyer, Alparslan Arslan, whom the police captured after the attack Wednesday.
The authorities said the suspect called two people on the day of the attack, and they were detained for questioning Thursday. The suspect was being interrogated by the anti-terrorism police.
The attack inside the highest Turkish administrative court caused outrage across Turkey. Judicial officials and secularist Turks, carrying Turkish flags, marched in Ankara on Thursday to the mausoleum of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of modern and secular Turkey in a show of loyalty to secularism. They laid a wrath decorated with red and white carnations, in the colors of the Turkish flag.
The attack stoked tension between the secularist establishment and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Islamic-rooted government, which has been trying to raise the profile of Islam in this country, which while predominantly Muslim has a secular Constitution.

5/18/2006 08:07:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

By SELCAN HACAOGLU, Associated Press Writer
Thu May 18, 7:23 AM ET

ANKARA, Turkey - More than 15,000 Turks, including judges, lawyers and students, marched in the Turkish capital Thursday to condemn an attack by a suspected Islamist gunman that killed a judge and wounded four others. ..."

... "Turkey is secular and it will remain secular," thousands chanted. ...

"... This is the Sept. 11 of the Turkish Republic," wrote Ertugrul Ozkok, chief columnist of Turkey's leading newspaper Hurriyet on Thursday. "One of the main pillars of the regime, justice, was being hit. This is an attack against all of us." ...


9-11 redux.

5/18/2006 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The estimates of Taliban fighters and suicide bombers killed ranged up to 87, with 14 Afghan police, an American civilian, an Afghan civilian and a Canadian soldier also killed in the multiple attacks late Wednesday and Thursday, officials said.

The battles between Afghan or coalition forces and Taliban militants — which were concentrated in the south — follow months of stepped-up attacks in the region.

An assault by hundreds of enemy fighters on a small southern town was one of the largest attacks by militants since 2001 and marked another escalation in the campaign by supporters of the former Taliban regime to challenge the U.S.-backed government of President Hamid Karzai.

The attack late Wednesday and early Thursday on a police and government headquarters in the town of Musa Qala in Helmand province sparked eight hours of clashes with security forces. The Interior Ministry said about 40 militants were killed, though police said they had retrieved only 14 bodies.


Up to 105 Die in Fierce Afghan Violence By NOOR KHAN, Associated Press Writer

5/18/2006 08:22:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

Desert Rat,

I thought you were all for throwing out ILLEGAL immigrants? Does your view only apply to the US or should Holland also be consistent? I am surprised the you would say:

"It seems worse than sad, to me.
Ms Hirsi Ali will be turning off the lights, as she leave Holland."

When what is forcing her to abandon here anti-immigrant campaign and leave the country is the fact that she lied on her refugee form. I would have thought that you would cheer as she was run out of the country and go to your usual high dungeon over the fact that America will welcome her with open arms.

5/18/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Just as one man's slander, cartoons depicting Mohammed, are another's social commentary.

Just who get's to decide what slander is, before the fact?

Will Justice be blind?
Is Sharia Justice blind?
Is there Justice in Sharia Law?

What ideas are so malignent that they must be driven underground, that the very thought of a discussion is verboten.

Cancer denied is, invariably, fatal.

That is why the Mohammedans do not ignore the Bahai.

5/18/2006 08:51:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

No, ash.
I was listening to the report on NPR, tuesday. While it is true that she lied on the applications, the PM of the Netherlands was reportedly dismayed by the Immigration Minister's actions, per NPR. According to the NPR report the Immigration Minister acted with undue haste, in an effort to Ms Hirsi Ali from the political equation in the Netherlands.

I am not an opponent of Immmigration, but of open and unsecured Borders.
The quotas and methods of entry that are in the best interests of the US will be determined, by Congress.
The US does not need, IMO, 500,000 new arrivals annually. The Senate thinks 200,000 would fill the bill. The House Vill does not even address increasing the existing quota or a modified Visa program or some type of Guest Worker system. There a distinct problems with a Guest worker program, as far a creating an official "Underclass" of peons, here in the US. It would institutionalize some of the social injustice already suffered by the illegal residents of the US.

As I have said many times, the two issues, Border Security and Immigration, while related are not the same.

5/18/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

It should have been so...

...in an effort to remove Ms Hirsi Ali from the political equation in the Netherlands.

5/18/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"...Responding to a TV programme that has aired many of the accusations made against Ms Hirsi Ali, including complaints from her neighbours about the extra security she has been granted, Ms Verdonk has turned against her, saying her visa had been “improperly granted”. As Ms Hirsi Ali said yesterday: “It is difficult to work as a parliamentarian if you have nowhere to live. It is difficult, but not impossible. As of yesterday, it became impossible.”

This is a sad day in the history of liberal democracy, a stain on the reputation of a once-tolerant country and a setback for the reputation of Islam itself, cementing the impression that is simply not open to criticism. In particular, it lets down Muslim women, who are still being subjected to forced marriages. ..."


Her offenses on the Immigration rules were well known, prior to her election, but her fame made her a political liability.

Selective enforcement of the Law.
Now as always, the "Tool of Tyrants".

5/18/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger M. Simon said...

Re: Narco Terrorists.

We could always quit funding them with our The War On Unpatented Drugs.

5/18/2006 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

rwe,

Per our immigration conversation the other day, take a look at TigerHawk - "America", authored by Cardinalpark. I bet you'll like it as much as I did.

http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/

5/18/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Wretchard's (my bolding) "It's the weakness of the West that has made the simple problem of facing up to thugs into a world crisis. The asking price for making the world safe for the psychotic West is elminating all projecting surfaces -- such as the Islamic World -- which are threats to a society living in its dreams."

Great line!

5/18/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger M. Simon said...

Speaking of selective enforcement:

There are 20 to 40 milion drug offenders in America and only 1 million in jail.

The connected get slaps on the wrist the poor do 20 to life.

Alcohol prohibition was no different.

5/18/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

m. simon,

Your 10:24 AM

Making no claim, whatsoever, to any expertise, I have the feeling that Rx of ADHD will one day hold the same exulted status as bleeding.

Could it be possible that boys will be boys? Given the standards of today what would have been Mark Twain’s lot...or that rascal Tom?

5/18/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Mike H. said...

Ayaan Hirsi Magan

5/18/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger Mike H. said...

What would Mohammed do? at VDH

5/18/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Would he (praised be and so on) snort, or shoot up?

5/18/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hail Yale, the gangs all from there.
Perhaps Mr. Bush has not really surrendered, without the possibility of reelection, his true colors are just making their appearance.
"
---
The way I see it, he has an allegiance to something "higher" than the American Citizen.
To avoid being labeled further, I'll leave WHAT that is to the reader.
(plus I'm curious about what others think that higher calling consists of, since it could be way beyond my ability to apprehend, much less comprehend)

If "skull and bones" is given as an answer, please translate that into something us non-elites (US Citizens) can comprehend.

5/18/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

have a lite chuckle -- Thomas Friedman, NYT foreign policy maven, will have been on the mark sooner or later.

5/18/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

(comment on the Noonan essay now up)

Move DC to the Heartland
Greg Cass - Nashville, Tenn.

"I believe what has happened to President Bush, and most of Congress, is the age old "Potomac Fever." Politicians tend to listen to each other and the major news media liberals when they arrive in D.C. This may seem far fetched, but I believe the only cure is to move the White House and the Capitol to the center of the U.S., say Kansas City, downsize the federal employees by 50%, and give the states back their power authorized by the Constitution."

Now yer talkin, Mr. Cass!

5/18/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

doug,
A group of boys that grow to manhood in a sanctuary of wealth and power. The rituals and behaviours carried out in secret and sanctified by their forebears.

Then off to lives of pompish dignity and privilege. Whether serving a short stint in 'Nam or flying a fighter in empty skies and working in out of state Election campaigns.

Educated in the same schools, by the same teachers and interested in the same over reaching Goals.

Global Trade & Global Government.

Mr Bush is oft referred to as "Wilsonian", as in the League of Nations, but not for the US, Wilson.

Look to the reasoning for OIF, implementation of UN Resolutions. Mr Bush's actions were meant to give credence to those Resolutions, on par at least, with US security needs.

His father, Bush 41, rode the same horse, New World Order and enforcement of UN Resolutions.

Nations United for common purpose, like an Army of One.

Mr Kerry was a year ahead of Mr Bush at Yale, both of them Skull & Bones fraternity members or as they say, Secret Society, both equally Elitist.

Whether they dress in cowboy boots and hats or bike racing spandex & Ralph Loren, beneath the costumes there is a common thread.

5/18/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger Red River said...

"The body of the Glock is made of a composite "plastic" material."

No. Not correct.

I have a Glock 23. The grip and trigger guard are made out of polymer, but the base and slide and all internal components are metal. The clips are polymer with metal where brass is held or guided.

A very reliable weapon, but not in the top when it comes to accuracy. The only other two issues are difficulty of doing a press check and the trigger safety which means you don't beat somene with the gun with a round in the battery ( and be careful with loose clothing.)

5/18/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Glock--that safety set-up is too much a negatory for me--I played with buying one when they came out--but the safety seemed too much for too little.

5/18/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The weapon I was familar with, the Glock 17, is described below.
Perhaps, had I read the description first, I'd have wrote "frame" rather than "body", I guess.

The Glock stirred up quite a scare when it was revealed to have a polymer frame. Some people thought the whole gun was plastic, and therefore undetectable by metal detectors. Because the slide and the barrel and many other internal parts are made out of metal, it does show up on metal detectors. The slide and barrel are Tenifer treated, a process that makes their steel as hard as diamond and more corrosion resistant than stainless steel.

5/18/2006 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Whether they dress in cowboy boots and hats or bike racing spandex & Ralph Loren, beneath the costumes there is a common thread."
---
Well, thank goodness for small favors:
I much prefer the Cowboy Threads!
(The Secret Call of the Moo?)

5/18/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Buddy,
Check this out: I saw it in the Times a few days ago and thought it looked ugly despite the source. Unfortunately, NRO Agrees.

A DISGRACE

From his powerful position as chairman of the Homeland Security appropriations subcommittee, he has plied constituents and corporations alike with funds from the national treasury. It is the work of the likes of Hal Rogers that has driven Congress’s approval rating to 22 percent, and if more people knew of him that number would only sink lower
Explains how Visa Cards would never exist if they were a Federal Program.

5/18/2006 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Buddy: Is this that safety you were trying to describe?
What do Texan's use?
Their Pillow?

5/18/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

What's Wrong With this Picture?
- Froggy

5/18/2006 12:34:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Crap like that, Doug--to one who remembers the blood sweat and tears to break the Dem hold on DC--makes me want to go ahead and buy the Glock and just put it to my head.

5/18/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Rush has a couple of hopeful links
(given the alternative)
this morning, one from American Spectator.
I'll find that, then later he'll post em both.

5/18/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Yes--find something cheerful, goddamn it.

5/18/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Conservative Victory in 2006 Political Hay
Elections are about paradigms, not presidents.
Jeffrey Lord, 5/18/2006

5/18/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

qepThe Prez is speaking in Yuma--THAT oughtta provide some yuma.

5/18/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Belly of the Beast.
That being a Desert Rat.

5/18/2006 12:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Kyl Country.

5/18/2006 12:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

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5/18/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen,

Your 12:40 PM - something cheerful!

When I'm feelin' blue
All I have to do
Is take a look at you

"Press "1" for English; press "2" for a new president ..." - Ann Coulter - READ MY LIPS: NO NEW AMNESTY
http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

5/18/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Okay, I'll flatter that one, Habu--yours are the most creative and funny. Okay, your turn.

5/18/2006 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

habu_1,

Hey, what went wrong with Yoni and Linda Evans? Oh...Never mind.

5/18/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

habu_1,

What would Jesus do?

I'm working on that. But I'm having a lot of trouble since I lost that darned de-coder ring. Happened about the same time as I misplaced the “First Alert.”

5/18/2006 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

"What Would Jesus Do?" is all wrong--the quest should be, what would Jesus NOT do (He always used Jew-Jitsu on these questions).

5/18/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Border Boarder
So let us give the Mexicans their due even as we ask them to pay their dues.
As Thomas Edison's Jewish mother famously said:
"Of course I'm proud that you invented the light bulb.
Now turn it off and get to bed."

5/18/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Habu it was never that we hated all those strange beings--it was just the moonshine made us a leetle crazy--now that we believe in reintarnation, everthin's okay.

5/18/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

What is the sound of an Italian Fighter Plane augering in?

5/18/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Since I never hesitate to point out the shortcomings of the practitioners of the RoP, it is only fair to say that I am glad that Turkish secularists were out in force today. I will feel even better when Mr. Erdogan takes up the cry. If that has happened, someone direct me to the link.

5/18/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Who put the last two bullets in Mussolini? Fifteen Italian Sharpshooters.

5/18/2006 01:32:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

1:04 PM
Will never win the
Golden Boob Award: vote for the biggest boobs - The Cancer Blog
This year's nominees in the first annual Golden Boob Award are:. Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer for threatening the integrity of serious efforts to...

5/18/2006 01:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

SACRILEGE
Nominee #1
The Abortion/Breast Cancer Coalition (ABC) asserts abortion leads to an increased risk of breast cancer. A panel of experts at the National Cancer Institute concluded that there is no credible evidence to back up this claim, and the largest and most reliable research studies have found that no such link exists. This group is using breast cancer as a scare tactic, pure and simple.

5/18/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

habu:
WOP!

5/18/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

The cured the cancer, but want to keep an eye on her yet.

5/18/2006 01:41:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Fish swims into concrete wall, sez "Dam!"

5/18/2006 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

We had to vacuum out the clump of cells to cure the cancer.

5/18/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Mookie Chavez?

5/18/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Darn, should have seen that one."
Ya gotta hear it.

5/18/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Well, if AMLO loses in Mexico, Hugo'll be down a notch or three.

5/18/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger skipsailing said...

anyone remember Firesign theatre? They did a song that was designed to offend everybody, which ain't easy.

As I recall, on th ealbumn it was sung by a bunch of NY cops. Please note, the opinions expressed in the following quote are NOT necessarily those of the poster:

"It's spics and niggers
and wops and Kykes,
with noses as long as your arm
It's micks and gooks
and geeks and chinks
and honkeys
who nevah left da farm"

Basically, according to this song, the problem was everybody who wasn't an New York Cop.

I doubt much has changed.

What was the name of the "albumn"? I think it was "how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all"

but I still remember "Nick Danger, third Eye"

5/18/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

1:24 PM What would he do if he were a Buddist?
---
Uhmmmm...

5/18/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Skip:
Local Taco Shack Creates World’s Most Blasphemous Meal
ht- Pangloss aka The Futurist

5/18/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Skip,
My son used to do a skit with a local Flip where he spoke with a
Filipino Accent and the Filipino kid spoke English!

I kept telling them they should record THAT video instead of some dumb ku-fu thing that didn't do it for dad.

5/18/2006 02:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"kung" as in "King Kung"

5/18/2006 02:08:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

See the miracle fish from Allah in action on its own web site!
Site of the Miracle Allah Fish, Fish from Allah - Allah Fish .
(Hat tip: Bareknucklepolitics.com.)

5/18/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Firesign Theater and SCTV are the Twin Apexes of laff-out-loud. That's, post Marx Bros and Stooges. and Bob and Ray.

5/18/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

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5/18/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

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5/18/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

doug,

Your 2:20 PM - "WTF"

You missed the story of the dance of the sugar plum fairies.

That's right, the Taliban decided to launch an offensive and got handed their heads. Here's hoping they continue following the advice of their Arab advisors. Nothing like the smell of smoldering polecats.

In retaliation, there will be a surfeit of wife beating and genital mutilation in Pakistan tonight. A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do. Allah will be pleased?

5/18/2006 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

doug, That looks like a frat prank, or a piece of a Howard Stern "On Demand" advertising.

Think locally, bet Internationally

That's just part and parcel of the New World moral code & behaviour.

5/18/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Boy, 3, dies crossing AZ desert...
---
ACLU Joins w/Fox to sue Bush!

5/18/2006 02:46:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

re: "smell of smoldering polecats"

U.S. Anti-Jihad Machine Splattering Holy Warriors In Afghanistan

Cue Flight of the Valkyries! Kill the jihadis, kill the jihadis...

http://clarityandresolve.com/

5/18/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The realtor had forewarned him about the smell.

Inside, he took just a few snapshots to document the scene. Beer cans by the tens of thousands.
Mountains of cans burying the furniture.
The water and heat were shut off, apparently on purpose by the tenant, who evidently drank Coors Light beer exclusively for the eight years he lived there.

Ryan Froerer, Century 21: "It's just unbelievable that a human being could live like that. "

The cans were recycled for 800 dollars, an estimated 70,000 cans: 24 beers a day for 8 years.

5/18/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

I went to the link and read the article. Now, I want to bill you for the time. Will "General Delivery, Hawaii" get it there?

5/18/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Usually the small children are left behind with grandparents.
Perhaps they has already migrated.

A fence and security would have saved that childs life.

It is now 105 degrees out there, the people are always ill equipped.
The Summer has just begun. It is hot 'til October. Last year almost 500 died, this year we could double that.

The National Guard idea is inane. Deploy for the 2 week training mission, two days in, two out leaves ten, acclimation to the climate and conditions,... to funny.

6,000 more Border Patrol by '08. That's doubled from '01. Not impressive growth in such perilous times.

As the Border Patrol stands up the Guard can stand down.
A patch of a band-aid,
eye wash all around.

Gotta pretend to be nice though, or the Mexican Government will sue US, in our own Courts. More children will die, gotta love it, it's the humanitarian thing to do..

5/18/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Just put it in a bottle and launch in Gulf.

5/18/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

And talking about madmen with Glocks -

While we of the Belmont Club have had the luxury of an afternoon of banter, our US Senate has been busy, busy, busy, doing the peoples’ business, don’tcha know.

What might you ask has the world’s greatest deliberative body been up to this fine spring day?

Why, making sure that tens of millions of illegal aliens get Social Security benefits, you sillies.

A vote on an amendment by Senator Ensign, suggesting the proposed benefit was just slightly mad, was defeated by a vote of 50 -49.

Thanks to Mary Katharine Ham – “Whaaat???: Illegal Immigration Edition” - http://www.hughhewitt.com/

5/18/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

3:03 PM - Sheriff Joe mentioned a distinct lack of concern about the outstanding murder cases unsolved in his domain.
...odd for such a "Compassionate" period in our history.
Some facts are best left unexamined.

5/18/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

3:05,
Allen,
Heard Rector on Bennet and Ingraham last night. (who sleeps?)
He said the numbers are still much higher than those being reported.
Says "Amnesty" is just a decoy as it is only 12 million souls.
The real numbers are in the Jacked-Up legal quotas and all their relatives.

5/18/2006 03:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Steyn says check out the Corner for Bush views re: "Immigration"
---
Steyn condemns as dangerous

"Bicultural" policies.

5/18/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Three found dead yesterday or the day before, southwestern Maricopa County, Indian or Mexicans, they couldn't tell in the initial reports. Happens quite a bit, drug runners, slavetraders, things are poppin'.

I read that 2002 State of the Union address, again. Shouldn't have, not right before Mr Bush's Yuma talk.

Talk and Cooperation are the new bywords of US Policies.
No longer is Security and Victory our paramount concern, that seems quite evident.

Guess that fellow was right about Ohio.

5/18/2006 03:19:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

...odd for such a "Compassionate" period in our history

(scroll a ways--)

5/18/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Steyn says Amnesty "Fine" will be more than made up by back payments of Social Security!
Support the GOP House!

5/18/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"...WASHINGTON -- Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl said he was vindicated this week as senators accepted an amendment he sponsored to bar illegal immigrants who commit felonies or ignored deportation orders from a chance at citizenship.

Senators voted 99-0 for the amendment, which Kyl had offered a month ago, just before debate over overhauling the nation's immigration policy broke down.

At the time, Democrats labeled it a "poison pill," arguing Kyl had killed the immigration bill. ...

... In a conference call Wednesday, Kyl sounded almost indignant as he reminded reporters of his success.

"I was hurt by criticism three or four weeks ago that the amendment we made was being done to kill the bill," he said. "Odd that it is that today 99 out of 100 senators -- the other being absent -- voted for this amendment. Obviously, they didn't see it as a poison pill. Many of them came up and said thank you for offering this amendment."

Kyl's Democratic opponent Jim Pederson has repeatedly attacked Kyl's positions on immigration. Both candidates have already aired campaign ads on the topic. ..."

Channel 4, Tucson

Just 39% of voters agree with the President's approach on the immigration issue while an equal number are opposed. To fully comprehend how bad that number is, remember that most Presidential addresses produce a bounce adding a few extra points of temporary support for the White House position. Just 35% believe the President's approach will reduce illegal immigration
RealClearPolitics Those that believe Mr Bush, do, those that don't, still don't.

5/18/2006 03:30:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Bush:
"Nation of Immigrants"
Rector:
Historically, around 9 percent.
All time high for a short time:
15%, nation decided it could not assimilate that fast.

Currently 12% Senate proposals would skyrocket numbers beyond any yet experienced.

AND WE WEREN'T A WELFARE STATE BEFORE!

5/18/2006 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

While Spengler never disappoints, his latest article cannot be recommended too highly. He believes that we have reached that pre-"Guns of August" stage with Iran. By the way, the Iranian president has given the Pope an ultimatum.

“Why war comes when no one wants it” - http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/
HE02Ak03.html

5/18/2006 03:47:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

New CIA cheif on their current focus:
North Korea, Iran, Al Queda.

5/18/2006 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger ledger said...

Doug. The "miracle fish" looks like it has some type of rust colored fungus growing on it. Or, possibly it may have bumped into a rusty sewer pipe while bottom feeding.

But, don't see any writing on it of any sort.

5/18/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Must she be so mean?
"Bush calls this the "rational middle ground" because it recognizes the difference between "an illegal immigrant who crossed the border recently and someone who has worked here for many years."
Yes, the difference is:
One of them has been breaking the law longer.
If our criminal justice system used that logic, a single murder would get you the death penalty, while serial killers would get probation.
"
- Coulter

5/18/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

4:30 PM Ledger:
Did you watch the Video?
I think the audio therein gives the explanation.

5/18/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Why not use immigration the way sports teams use the draft — to upgrade our roster?
We could take our pick of the world's engineers, doctors, scientists, uh ... smoking-hot Latin guys who stand around not wearing shirts between workouts. Or, you know, whatever ...

As Peter Brimelow says in his book Alien Nation: Common Sense About America's Immigration Disaster, why not choose immigrants who are better than us?

Bush thinks it's not fair to favor people with special skills — a policy evidenced by his Harriet Miers pick.

How about this:
It's not fair to want to go out with someone just because that person is attractive and has a good personality because it discriminates against people who are ugly with bad social skills! That's our immigration policy."

5/18/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Time to Rethink Immigration?

5/18/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Surreality Updates from the US Senate.

5/18/2006 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

At least it didn't exacerbate the situation.
---
Jonah Goldberg says he dropped her for being incoherently anti-Muslim , and you can believe him, if you like.
I think the circumstances of the attack would justify a certain amount of incoherent rage, and Ms. Coulter had lost a close personal friend in the attack.

5/18/2006 05:11:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Gafney say Saudis are flooding Turkey with dollars promoting the Putsch.

5/18/2006 05:36:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Yoni hopes Military will save country with a Coup.

5/18/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

No one has ever really answered the question, doug.
Who is the Enemy in this whole deal?
The Wahabbi, the Sauds, Iranians, Taliban, or just Saddam, the Doc and Osama?
Definately not Mr al-Sadr and his crew. Not Hamas or Mr Chavez, support of Terrorists be damned.
We need talk and cooperation.

It is not those that come here criminally, those that over extend their Visa or do not even give US the respect to obtain one.

Just who "are" we at "War" with?

5/18/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Just when you think the day will end as it began…thoughts of Ann Coulter, a Ferrari, Jell-O, and the combination to Jonah Goldberg’s safe deposit box…

Where was I? Oh, yes, Muslims can’t shoot anything but the bull. Tonight in Gaza, after a heated shouting match turned into an extended gunfight among vying “security” personnel of Hamas and Fatah, there are NO deaths to report.

Said a Palestinian medic, “It seems that the civil war has begun”. Wrong, Dude! Manassas is how a civil war is begun, or the storming of the Bastille. Good grief, will Dr. Rice have to send in her staff to advise you guys on how to start a civil war? What, Palestinians have to be hand-held through everything? Let me help: pretend Abu is a Jew.
The Civil War Has Begun" - http://littlegreenfootballs.com/
weblog/?entry=20636_
The_Civil_War_Has_Begun&only

5/18/2006 05:52:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Now the World needs to rush in ever greater amounts of aid, allen, to stem the crisis that we've created with our Policy.

That grave human rights violation, comparable to Genocide, the cutting off the Palis welfare checks.

Even the Israelis want US to pony up, what else could Ms Rice do, but pay the bill that's overdue?

Geez, you'd think there was a War on or somethin' and we were funding both sides, against ourselves.

5/18/2006 05:58:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Lileks looks for a compromise on
The Fence:
700 miles long, 3ft high.
I would add a smooth finish on top to prevent injury as they step over to receive their Social Security Checks.

5/18/2006 05:58:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

5:58 PM Exactly right, 'Rat.
To match the immigration solution in progress:
Stem the tide of unlimited immigration by increasing the incentives to immigrate ASAP.

5/18/2006 06:01:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Direct deposit into their Mexican account.
Bet life expectency sky rockets doen there, the dead won't vote in Mexico, just spend their SSI direct deposits.

It's gonna be great.

Ms Pelosi as Speaker, Mr Conyers at Ways & Means, who knows about Homeland Security.
Gonna be great, I just know.

Mr Bush is suckin' 'em all in, the Dems, aQ, Vincente, he's lied to 'em all, but soon, with a Wink & a Nod like Santa he'll take off, musunderestimated one more time, carrying US and his Party to Victory, come November.

The maestro poker player of Skull & Bones lore, Mr Bush is goin' all in on his "summer '06" hand.

5/18/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Native American Teens have Pow Wow as Portland Mayor Celebrates Leather Pride Week.

5/18/2006 06:23:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

6:12 PM Shhh!
He's holdin em close to the vest right now.
You just wait.

5/18/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Muslim Magic:
Abra Cadaver.

5/18/2006 06:31:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

A spokeswoman for Katz reached by C&F Report defended the “leather” proclamation and said it was not intended to promote “fisting,”

“Mayor Katz’s Leather Pride Proclamation promotes sexual violence and is a reproach and an embarrassment to the people of Oregon,” said Suzanne Brownlow, State Director of Concerned Women for America of Oregon.

CWA President Sandy Rios said, “Whereas ‘your honors’ of old have paid tribute to visitors with keys to the city, perhaps Mayor Katz can now present keys to the city's fur-lined hand-cuffs and bondage chamber.

It’s amazing to behold how — in the name of ‘diversity’—committed liberals can’t say no to any perversion, yet we’re supposed to somehow believe they will still draw the line at sex between adults and children.

5/18/2006 06:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Immigration and Sex Trafficking
Judicial Watch Video.

5/18/2006 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

President of National Border Patrol Council (AFL-CIO) has damning video there, also, among others.

5/18/2006 06:57:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I urge anyone who cares to watch the Border Patrol guy.

5/18/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Outlines GWB's history of Lies, described by Tom Ridge as
"Fools Gold."

5/18/2006 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

I watched it, Doug. Enlightening. Thanks.

5/18/2006 07:17:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

'Rat:
Get your wife to watch Erin Anderson:
Maybe she'll be inspired to do her own video!

5/18/2006 07:18:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

My pleasure, Sam:
You can download it too:
Maybe send it to folks who can post it elsewhere.

5/18/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Sexual Vilolence Woman brings tears about how far this country has fallen in my lifetime.

5/18/2006 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur Dent said...

The political choice we have is not between perfect and trifecta. Only totalitarian nATIONS ARE 'United'.

It is our weakness. We are so wealthy and safe that we do not care, or notice.

There are only a handful of nations who are. Even in the sphere that includes first world 'free' nations there are far too many who are not.

:(

5/18/2006 07:28:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Steven Camorata finishes with a complete economic rundown of the bogus argument being sold as a net plus.

5/18/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

7:28 PM Arthur,
Camarota points to polls showing citizens in low income groups are more aware of false labor "shortages" for unskilled and now low-wage (previously higher wage) skilled jobs!
Honest Labor market has been prostituted by "free labor" of illegals.

5/18/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Blogger ledger said...

Doug said:
4:30 PM Ledger:
Did you watch the Video?
I think the audio therein gives the explanation


No. The computer I am using to get on Wretchard's site is an old Win 9x machine with a dial-up modem (I can't get the new machine to log on to Blogger with the same ID ans PW).

Yea, I am sure there is a 'rational' explanation of the "miracle fish."

You know, I was at the pet store the other day and bought a similar fish (I had to add to rust coloring). It not every day you find a "miracle fish." I am going to auction it on ebay ($500 min bid).

Also, I think I saw a "miracle snake" the other day. It had the same blurry "writting" on it. It could be worth thousands of dollars if I can just catch it.

5/18/2006 08:21:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Since I gave you the idea, don't I get a chance to buy it here, before it goes on E-Bay?
9x Lives!
(I like it 'cause it doesn't suffer periodic slowdowns like my XP machine suffers)
Also, lack of Gay Interface.

5/18/2006 08:26:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Try to see that video somewhere, sometime:
Haunting Chanting and inscrutable Muslimspeak.

5/18/2006 08:28:00 PM  
Blogger Charles said...

The Village Blacksmith

UNDER a spreading chestnut tree
The village smithy stands;
The smith, a mighty man is he,
With large and sinewy hands;
And the muscles of his brawny arms
Are strong as iron bands.

His hair is crisp, and black, and long,
His face is like the tan;
His brow is wet with honest sweat,
He earns whate'er he can,
And looks the whole world in the face,
For he owes not any man.

Week in, week out, from morn till night,
You can hear his bellows blow;
You can hear him swing his heavy sledge
With measured beat and slow,
Like a sexton ringing the village bell,
When the evening sun is low.

And children coming home from school
Look in at the open door;
They love to see the flaming forge,
And hear the bellows roar,
And watch the burning sparks that fly
Like chaff from a threshing-floor.

He goes on Sunday to the church,
And sits among his boys;
He hears the parson pray and preach,
He hears his daughter's voice,
Singing in the village choir,
And it makes his heart rejoice.

It sounds to him like her mother's voice,
Singing in Paradise!
He needs must think of her once more,
How in the grave she lies;
And with his hard, rough hand he wipes 35
A tear out of his eyes.

Toiling,—rejoicing,—sorrowing,
Onward through life he goes;
Each morning sees some task begin,
Each evening sees it close;
Something attempted, something done,
Has earned a night's repose.

Thanks, thanks to thee, my worthy friend,
For the lesson thou hast taught!
Thus at the flaming forge of life
Our fortunes must be wrought;
Thus on its sounding anvil shaped
Each burning deed and thought!

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Rare American Chestnut trees discovered

5/18/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"American chestnuts once made up about 25 percent of the forests in the eastern United States, with an estimated 4 billion trees from Maine to Mississippi and Florida."

"There are no chestnuts roasting on an open fire, and if they are, they're Chinese," Keehn said.

5/18/2006 08:40:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hirsi Ali

5/18/2006 08:47:00 PM  
Blogger ledger said...

Doug: Since I gave you the idea, don't I get a chance to buy it here, before it goes on E-Bay?

Well, now that you mention it. I will sell it to you for the low low low price of $489.00 (unless another belmont club member offers a higher price).

Yes, in their day some of those 9x machines were quite handy. And, if all else failed, one could start it in DOS mode and command line it from there.

[I better shut-up I am getting to Wretchards 3 posts per thread limit]

5/18/2006 08:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Bill Bennet Interviews:
Robert Rector

Senator Jeff Sessions

5/18/2006 08:58:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

8:52 PM
Sarcasm is no longer PC Acceptable.
Your limit comment has shattered my Self-Esteem.

5/18/2006 09:00:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

He never stops sticking it to us:
---
But administration officials made it clear that the $1.95 billion for the president's border initiative should come out of the same money approved by the Senate in its version of an emergency war spending bill.

That angered Senate Budget Committee Chairman Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), who had secured that money solely for capital expenditures, such as fences, sensors and watchtowers, not border security operations. But Gregg said he has "been told rather bluntly" some of those expenditures will have to wait."

5/18/2006 10:26:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Foreign doctor project backed:

There were more than 1,000 doctors who took jobs in places like Southeastern Illinois, rural Kentucky and rural Indiana as part of the J-1 visa waiver program last year. They promised to serve in those jobs for three years after finishing U.S. residency training.

Rep. Jerry Moran, R-Kansas, said it seems like he's always appearing in front of the subcommittee on immigration at the last minute, asking for another extension. This one lasted two years.

Foreign Doctors

5/18/2006 10:30:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Don't Miss this one Buddy:
Peter Robinson confirms your reports of the Texas Perspective, and relates it to a Benign appraisal of W's intentions.

5/19/2006 01:11:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

On re-read:
How do I know he wasn't quoting from YOUR e-mail?

5/19/2006 01:13:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Posted at TURKEY - Michael Rubin
The situation in Turkey is boiling.
At the funeral today of Justice Ozbilgin, crowds booed Foreign Minister Gul.
Prime Minister Erdogan was a no-show.
They applauded President Sezer and the Generals who attended.
The situation is tragic but the crisis has been a longtime coming. At the Middle East Forum homepage homepage, we’ve provided links to a series of articles—most originally published in NRO—which chart the evolution of the ruling party’s assault on secularism. Erdogan may not have pulled the trigger, but he certainly greased the gun...

5/19/2006 01:24:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

How often have we heard of the sanctity of the voice of (the) people? How often does that really translate into “the voice of (my) people?” Such seems to be the case as seen by the author of the Dick List, whose commentary on “Yids” was addressed yesterday.

By a process of fair, transparent election, the Hasidim have won the majority of seats on the Lawrence school board. Having lost at the ballot box, Dick List retaliates by leveling a series of vile charges against his “Yid” neighbors. Despite the hatred, no blood has been spilled.

How does this relate to Wretchard’s thread? The Hasidim, Jewish religious fundamentalists, finding themselves displeased, did not assassinate anyone on the school board; rather, they expressed themselves by a method both essentially Jewish and American; they voted.

For those seeking to understand what is wrong with Islam, look to Long Island.

http://www.newsday.com/news/
local/longisland/ny-
lilawr0518,0,4794668.story?
coll=ny-main-tabheads1
“Lawrence power shift”

5/19/2006 04:51:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Long Island Link

5/19/2006 06:57:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"... One former U.S. ambassador told officials in Ankara that White House officials were not concerned about Islamism in Ankara, a point which is patently untrue. Well, hopefully this tragedy will be a wake-up call not only for Ankara, but also for Washington. ..."

" a point which is patently untrue. "
Even at NRO we find the power of psychological projection hard at work.
If the Ambassador was not "right", why would Washington be in need of a "Wake Up!" call?

If rumors of the Sauds spending cash, sponsoring the Wahabbist turmoil, are accurate the US will soon find itself in no man's land between two "allies" and a "foe". Both figuratively and physically.

Reality trumping desire, once again.

5/19/2006 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

This morning in the Corner, Michael Rubin is reporting on a potential earthquake in Turkish politics as the result of the assassination of Justice Ozbilgin.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a State Department capable of getting on-board the Turkish secularist bandwagon without making a total mess of things? No war need be waged or sanctions imposed. No, the US is simply required to give covert moral support.

That probably won't happen - staff would have to be moved out of the essential Palestinian portfolio - Turkey will never have the strategic importance of Hamas.

TURKEY UPDATE [Michael Rubin] - http://corner.nationalreview.com/
post/?q=MTNkYmZmY2RiMWMwOGRlMzJm
ZjQ3YWUwYjc1NTI0NzY=

5/19/2006 09:03:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

This is what happens when the DoD consults Architectural Digest on interior design at Guantanamo – “Prisoners wielding improvised weapons clashed with guards…”

I am certain that all hands of the 6th Marine Regiment would be more than happy to temporarily loan their fourragéres to the disgruntled Muslim warriors for just such a ceremonial occasion.

No better friend…No worse enemy

Guantanamo Prison Guards, Inmates Clash - http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/
guantanamo_detainees

5/19/2006 09:38:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

9:03 AM
Allen, did you see my 5:36, and 6:40 posts?
Too easy and IMPORTANT to help the Secular Military Save the Country.
...plus all those Saud dollars would have gone to waste.

5/19/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Torch, Toricelli has been caught up in OFF payoffs!
To challenge a Senator's Integrity is BENEATH CONTEMPT!
Where is the TRUST of the electorate these days?

5/19/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

We are not saving the Secular Army in Iraq, with 133,000 troops, how could we do it in Turkey?

5/19/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger StoutFellow said...

I would suggest that the blindfold is already on most people in Europe and the US. At least to the extent that they fail to see the coming conflagration between totalitarian Islam and 'the West'. Perhaps dramatic events will cause the blindfold to fall from their face, much in the way that the sight of the train of freight cars filled with Muslims pulling up to the Albanian border rallied Europe and America against Milosevic. It looked a lot like Nazi Germany in the Balkans then and it may soon look even more like
Nazi Germany in Iran.


A new dress-code law passed in Iran this past week mandates the government to make sure that religious minorities, Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians, will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public, the Canadian National Post reported on Friday.

Jews, under the new law, will have to wear a yellow band on their exterior in public, while Christians will be required to don red ones.

Furthermore, according to the law, the Iranian government has envisioned that all Iranians wear "standard Islamic garments" designed to remove ethnic and class distinctions.


May I suggest something in brown?

5/19/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

A man, a gun, an assassination, and the whole world changes, or so it seems, given Michael Rubin’s most recent Turkey update. What years of bribery, cajoling, and threatening by the State Department could not accomplish – a reaffirmation of pro-American Turkish secularism – a lone gunman has brought to pass.

Turkey’s top military officer calls for bigger, better, badder pro-secular demonstrations. It seems that a coup is in the wings.

UPDATE ON TURKEY [Michael Rubin], Posted at 11:29 AM - http://corner.nationalreview.com/

5/19/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Your 10:59 AM - Secular Army -Turkey

The US will not have to stand-up a Turkish army because a perfectly fine one is in place.

In the wholly expected hand wringing from the MSM about a coup in Turkey, the State Department might resist the temptation to extemporize, i.e. for once it might just shut-up.

The Turkish military has a long history of pro-American relations. While merely anecdotal, the Turkish officers I have met strike me as courteous, competent, and committed to the 21st Century. As to courage, old Korea hands tell me that they were ferocious warriors, feared equally by the Koreans and Chinese.

Obviously, a friend on Iran's vital northwestern, wild frontier is a good thing. We must keep our fingers crossed that the Islamists are about to lose another ME enabling government.

5/19/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

I failed to mention that, unlike some countries and political parties to remain unnamed, the Turks are extremely patriotic and zealous of the sanctity of their borders. Should the Iranians make the mistake of testing the Turks, the American threat might prove the least of their problems.

5/19/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

I read the Jerusalem Post (stoutfellow's link) article, and have to say, I can hardly believe my eyes. Ahmadinnerjacket's ruling faction could not more proudly announce their intent to mimic the highest depravity in modern history.

5/19/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

11:47 AM Shutup and put on your tag, Yid-Lover!

5/19/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Buddy, be sure to check out my 1:11 AM and then the question in the next post.

5/19/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Snow: NO Amnesty.
They have to pay an EXTRAORDINARY Price (for Citizenship) for the misdemeanor of being illegals.
"Notice they've been cracking down on employers the last couple of weeks." uh, yeah: WEEKS!

How Freaking STUPID do they think we are?
(stupid enough not to have a revolution, so I guess they're right)
---
Medved:
Why can't they see the IRREFUTABLE Logic of govt ideas?
Illegals are employed at a higher rate than CITIZENS!
(Ok everybody, tell grandma and grandpa to go get a job with our your illegals from the south.)
SNOW IS NOW SPEAKING FROM MARS!
"We just DON'T UNDERSTAND the Presidents position."

5/19/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

My point, allen, was not to belittle the Turkish Army.
Or their ability to depose another civilian government, there, it is in the "natural" course of things in Turkey, it seems.

To expect much public support from the US is unlikely, though. It will mean postponing EU membership, letting the Euros off the hook for racism.

You are at the base, doug, those DC folk, thet are at the pinnicle.

Learn your place.

5/19/2006 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

That Iranian deal, it makes
"Here's your sign"
just a little less funny

National dress code, that's the ticket.
Just what Mr Clinton wanted in US Public School, dressed uniformity, all the girls in blue dresses.

5/19/2006 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Your 12:43 PM - "was not to belittle the Turkish Army"

I take your point and stand corrected.

By no means would I ever argue that Turkish governance has been the paragon of democratic virtue, hovering as it perennially does at the brink of military dictatorship. And, if there is strictly a "military" coup, Turkey can forget the EU, if in fact it had a chance of admission. What is heartening is the military's call for a civilian coup, supported of course, by the military. This puts an entirely different complexion on the event.

Whatever happens over the weekend in Turkey, I think we might both agree that a secular Turkey is far better than an Islamist Turkey. Let's hope the State Department agrees; it's about time for America to catch a break.

5/19/2006 01:33:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Where should I go to learn what's so great about EU membership?
Ignorantly Yours,

5/19/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger rayra said...

Ironic to see the GCA of 1968 juxtaposed with the fascistic tenets of political Islam, when the GCA of 1968 itself borrows so heavily from the Nazi Weapons Law revisions of 1938.

5/20/2006 01:24:00 PM  

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