Speaking Truth to Power
Saddam's old pal George Galloway makes a surprise appearance on Cuban TV and hugs Fidel live on stage.
Few knew that Mr Galloway was in Cuba until, in the middle of a live television discussion programme, he emerged to offer his impassioned support for Fidel Castro. The Cuban president, in his customary military fatigues, looked on approvingly as the British MP said Mr Castro was a symbol of dignity. "The Cubans are the only people in the entire world who have a leader who can say that he doesn't possess one dollar to his name," said Mr Galloway. ... The MP said he too had been slandered as a thief, when unproved claims were made that he had profited from the Iraq oil-for-food programme.
This was after the Member of Parliament from the Respect Party called it morally justifiable to murder Tony Blair in an interview with GQ.
The Respect MP George Galloway has said it would be morally justified for a suicide bomber to murder Tony Blair. In an interview with GQ magazine, the reporter asked him: "Would the assassination of, say, Tony Blair by a suicide bomber - if there were no other casualties - be justified as revenge for the war on Iraq?" Mr Galloway replied: "Yes, it would be morally justified. I am not calling for it - but if it happened it would be of a wholly different moral order to the events of 7/7. It would be entirely logical and explicable. And morally equivalent to ordering the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Iraq - as Blair did."
Galloway would know all about ethics, moral justification and similar subjects. We should listen to him. In related news, Cindy Sheehan brings her message to Australia.
Last night in Sydney was windy, rainy and cold, but an anti-war event featuring Cindy Sheehan and Dr Salam Ismael made one forget the wintry conditions outside ... Around 500 people gathered to hear two impassioned speakers discuss the monumentally disastrous Iraq invasion and occupation and offer a way forward. ... “Coalition” defeat has been achieved. The next step is finding a prosperous Iraqi future without Western interference.
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It's all true, isn't it?
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Heaven forbid that Iraq, or any other Third World country, should have "Western influence."
George Galloway, a sewer of a man with a silver tongue has long past overstayed his welcome and possession of the desired 98.6 factor. An ambient temperature and biological adjustment is well past due.
Galloway: OK to bomb PM:
Plans to protect Mr Blair marked “restricted” and “confidential” were found by a guest at Manchester’s Midland Hotel. The PM is expected to stay at the Midland during the Labour conference in September.
The file detailed possible attempts using suicide bombers, car bombs, mortars or rockets. Security checkpoints were also listed. It was handed to police, who are investigating.
It is thought the plans were left lying around by one of the hotel staff after talks on security with police officers.
Galloway
Self determination is itself a Western ideal (as one of my Kennedy School professors impressed upon me) so I feel fine typing the following:
"How dare Cindy Sheehan impose her Western ideals on the rest of the world."
Why Isn't Socialism Dead?
Socialism is a substitute for faith.
"The whole point of the myth of the socialist revolution is not that human societies will be transformed in the distant future, but that the individuals who dedicate their lives to this myth will be transformed into comrades and revolutionaries in the present. In short, revolution is not a means to achieve socialism; rather, the myth of socialism is a useful illusion that turns ordinary men into comrades and revolutionaries united in a common struggle--a band of brothers, so to speak."
Harris says free-market capitalism needs a "transformative myth of its own" to fight the myth of revolutionary socialism. But don't we have that? I thought that's what entrepreneurial heroes were all about. Bill Gates and the Google (nasdaq: GOOG - news - people ) boys are still heroes to millions of Chinese and Indians, if not to the French or Bolivians. That's why, though I share Harris' concern about socialism's odd new vitality, I think capitalism will win the battle for men's minds.
Rich Karlgaard on Why Socialism Won't Die
'Lost City' isn't the big Cuban epic it wants to be:
Before the premiere of his new movie at September's Telluride Film Festival, Andy Garcia brought an enormous cast of actors on stage. It was clear that Garcia wanted us to understand the level of commitment and pride that had gone into making Lost City, a movie that looks back on the time when Cuba was undergoing immense upheaval.
The film clearly is anti-Castro, as was Infante, but The Lost City looks at history through a narrow lens, the plight of the affluent Felloves. And when the movie does expand, it's in bizarre ways: Garcia makes room for some weird bits of casting that seem to bounce into the movie like errant beach balls from someone else's day at the beach.
Dustin Hoffman shows up as gangster Meyer Lansky, and Bill Murray portrays an expatriate American whose only function seems to be to deliver mordant one-liners. He's doing stand-up in the middle of history.
Lost City
Veterans Affairs Worker Often Took Data Home
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" He's doing stand-up in the middle of history."
Now if only I knew something about history.
Iraq activist slams Howard:
Ms Sheehan was joined by Democrats senator Natasha Stott Despoja at the rally, which was organised by the activist group Civil Rights Defence and featured protesters in prison garb behind chicken wire.
Senator Stott Despoja called for the Guantanamo Bay prison to be shut down and for Mr Hicks' immediate repatriation.
"Guantanamo Bay is a violation of human rights law, it's in contravention of international humanitarian law, it still has a military commission process that is deeply flawed and is an abuse of human rights," she said.
"Our government has sought to not only abandon but desert David Hicks now that he has sought UK citizenship."
Sheehan
Andrew Young, ordained minister, businessman, human rights activist, 3-term Congressional Representative, Mayor of Atlanta, and James Earl Carter’s Ambassador to the United Nations, has been widely quoted describing the Ayutollah Khomeini, beloved leader of the Iranian Islamic Revolution, as “some kind of saint.”
Thanks Mr. Ambassador, for helping us make sense of the world. Without your wisdom, we should have been very confused about the leader of a government that has executed many tens of thousands of fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, Baha’i, dissidents, and insufficiently modest women. Lacking the insight of your wisdom, we might never have grasped the redemptive power of industrial cranes seving as convenient gibbets for hanging the corpses of the executed ones, “pour encourager l’autres.”
So if an annointed pillar of American Society such as Mr. Young can describe the butcher Khomeini as a saint, and go on to have the Board of Regents of Georgia State University name their new School of Policy Studies after him, it seems silly to flinch at a little thing like George Galloway snogging Fidel.
This claim that Fidel doesn't own a penny "to his name," is, of course, risible. Any Cuban exile can point to vast assets outside of Cuba that are not in the name of the government of Cuba but controlled by somebody inside of Cuba. The working assumption is that person is Fidel. If it isn't, then he is not the successful dictator the world understands him to be.
I understand you are having the devil of a time with global warming in Australia right now. Just throw another shrimp on the barbie and crank up the furnace.
How many of the 500 for Cindy Sheehan were of the jihadi variety?
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Cuban President Fidel Castro was furious when Forbes magazine estimated his fortune at $550 million last year. This year, the magazine upped its estimate of the communist leader's wealth to a cool $900 million.
Castro, who says his net worth is nil, is likely the beneficiary of up to $900 million, based on his control of state-owned companies, the U.S. financial magazine said in its annual tally of "Kings, Queens & Dictators" fortunes on Thursday. ..."
Speaking of speaking truth to power, in Syria it is not allowed.
Two interesting and related stories about the "crack down" in Syria.
I'm not sure "crack down" is the correct term for flogging people, but that is the Ba'athist way, aye.
Chicago Tribue "Opposition in Syria sees `a wall of fear'"
and
Christian Science Monitor "The biggest wave of arrests since 2001 hits advocates of better ties with Lebanon."
On to Damascus, coulda, shoulda, never did, never will, now.
And in the USA Today we have an example of Power speaking to truth.
To the dismay, I think, of many here that advocated the "behind the tent" option for detained Terrorists.
"... "To a Marine, honor is more than just honesty; it means having uncompromising personal integrity and being accountable for all actions," Hagee said. He urged all Marines to have the moral courage to "do the 'right thing' in the face of danger or pressure from other Marines."
He referred to "recent serious allegations about actions of Marines in combat," but he did not specifically cite the two cases — one from last November and the other in April — of alleged killings of civilians.
In Wednesday's announcement of the latest criminal investigation, Marine officials said a preliminary probe had found enough information to recommend a full investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigation Service.
The Marine Corps provided no details about the alleged killing, including either the gender or age of the victim. It said "several service members" from the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, based in the Fallujah area about 40 miles west of Baghdad, were suspected of involvement. They were "removed from operations" and sent back to the U.S. pending the results of the criminal investigation, it said. ..."
If some "old" Gunny took Mr Mohammed out back and "capped 'im", that Gunny's goin' to prison. That is part of the "new" realities of Combat Arms.
The US Military, all Lawyered up and ready to roll.
Oh, the speaker in the quote,
Gen. Michael W. Hagee, the Marine Corps commandant,
to reinforce Marine Corps values and standards
Marines cannot write RoE to suit the local situation, not in Iraq or Afghanistan, no those RoE are written in Washington and must be followed to the letter, in Theater.
It's all true, isn't it?
Only if the Multiverse has sprung a leak and the Galloway and Sheehan making the statements are really their somewhat different counterparts from an alternate universe where it is true.
Everything in our universe — including you and me, every atom and every galaxy — has counterparts in these other universes. Some counterparts are in the same places as they are in our universe, while others are in different places. Some have different shapes, or are arranged in different ways; some are so different that they are not worth calling counterparts.
I think that the anti-war crowd is sensing the beginning of the end of the American presence in Iraq. They are simply trying to declare a victory of their 'forces' over the 'illegitimate' war that the evil Bush administration forced on the world. You know, the logical conclusion of the Vietnam template.
wretchard,
Is it the fact that Galloway thinks it is legitimate that Blair be a target for the enemy that you object to, or the method of attack, suicide bomber, that is the problem?
DR,
To further raise your blood pressure:
"Iraq supports Iran's right to pursue nuclear research, its new foreign minister said today, taking a position at odds with that of the Bush administration."
Iraqi Minister Backs Iran on Nuclear Research
Or, for some of you others, is this just another example of the evil left leaning MSM undermining the glorius war effort?
If it turns out, as Mr Murtha has said, Marines fired on an unarmed crowd of spectators or took Mr Mohammed out and executed him, those "panties on the head" photos will be as nothing.
US "Death Squads" operating in Iraq.
Mr Bush said, just yesterday, that those Abu Grahib actions & photos were the "low point" of the war, to date.
If these charges of noncombatant deaths prove true, or a detainee was killed/ executed after captured, Mr Bush and US ain't seen nothin', yet.
DR,
It could be portrayed a little worse then firing on "unarmed group of spectators"
"Evidence indicates that the civilians were killed during a sustained sweep by a small group of marines that lasted three to five hours and included shootings of five men standing near a taxi at a checkpoint, and killings inside at least two homes that included women and children, officials said.
That evidence, described by Congressional, Pentagon and military officials briefed on the inquiry, suggested to one Congressional official that the killings were "methodical in nature.""
Military to Report Marines Killed Iraqi Civilians
ash,
I'm resigned to the reality of Iraq, meditation & white wine helps with the blood pressure.
Just another instance of the position of those now "large & in charge", in Iraq, letting US know the score.
Our "Allies" in the War on Terror.
ash,
If that reporting proves accurate, then it will be portrayed as Mai Lai redux.
Though the scale of civilian deaths is less. It will not matter in the least.
Panties & dogs multiplied by a thousand fold.
It'll be "US Death Squads"
8:36 AM
The low point:
Panties or Fallujah I?
My Vote is Fallujah I.
Rune, thanks for the links to Wikipedia articles. I skimmed the one on Galloway, and found it has a good deal of stuff that treats the allegations of lies, sexual misconduct paid for with funds from the Charity organization he looted — I mean, "headed" — for several years, lots of quotes establishing his vitriolic contempt for British, American, & Western values, support for the Soviet Union, etc.
Of course, the underlying problem is that it's a sprawling article, many pages of press, implying by its size a significance far beyond that of the dung-beetle he is.
Because Wikipedia is open to contributions from anyone, and allows feedback from readers, it at least has the potential for demonstrating to young researchers that information is always suspect, and should be subjected to scrutiny and tests. It can be argued that scholarly "peer-reviewed" journals and encyclopedias cannot guarantee the objectivity of all articles. Wikipedia seems to lie somewhere on the spectrum between Encyclopedia Britannica and the Tabloids, with the advantage of built-in feedback options.
It should be useful for anyone concerned about Wikipedia's increasing usage by students, to devote some energy to drafting & submitting articles, comments, or editorial reviews of items directly to Wikipedia.
My Kin:
Dung Beetle in Kilts.
Again, doug, you disagree with Mr Bush's assessment of reality.
Perceptions, doug, they are the real key to understanding.
Time for a reality adjustment again, I guess.
Update to Astronomical time scale.
How about a new slogan?
"REally Long War"
Rush Declares Senate Bill
"Devoid of Common Sense"
Sounds good to me.
Foreign Policy Determined by MSM.
Senate Bill Written By (open borders) Lawyers.
Result:
Big Government.
Illegal earned income tax credits!
A real squad of Marines, either charged or convicted of the type things that MacBeth character spoke of.
Art & Reality
Truth & Fiction
The lines will blur under the onslaught of negative noise.
Ms Sheehan and Mr Galloway claiming "absolution" by the Realities of War.
Combat troops tasked as policemen,
always has been an error.
As Mr Rumsfeld said "long" ago, we have the wrong skill sets in Iraq.
The Marine's "skill sets" have not been changed, nor has the Mission.
There you go again, trying to criminalize the enemy and illegals.
Insurgents paid prevailing wage under "Bacon Bacon Act."
Retirement and Survivor benefits also, of course.
Insurgent Rights Groups Form.
"A CIA of ONE"
"Assassination squads? Had it been a dump of bombs from 10,000 feet there would be no problem."
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Selective Enforcement.
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Citizens Busted for Identity Theft get jailtime and lifetime censure.
Undocumented Immigrants get SS payments and Survivor Benefits!
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Both Dems and Repubs that voted against Senate Bill are ALL up for re-election.
Hmmm
No, habu, it is not a War Zone.
It is a Police Zone.
It is Warrants and Writs.
Catch and Release
Come to that realization and it makes much more sense.
The place is not secure and we cannot secure it under present Doctrine & Tactics.
We may soon be prosecuting those two different Marine squads that tried. Wake up and smell the blood.
They'll be all over the Corps's
"Culture of Violence"
So Mr al-Sadr and the SCIRI can control the Iraqi Army we built?
REally Long, cont.
We read scholarly articles about the arcane Tribal Customs of the residents of Warizistan.
In WWII, there would have been a
Rush to Produce Bin Laden to avoid further mass death in the neighborhood.
Sounds like standard human behavior to this old
Missourri-Okie-Ohio descendent.
"They'll be all over the orps's
"Culture of Violence""
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The Marines, which alone weathered the Clinton PC Revolution Intact,
will succumb to Trial Lawyers.
Marines Under Assault.
No cover provided by POTUS
Desert Rat,
If that reporting proves accurate, then it will be portrayed as Mai Lai redux.
While Ash is busy messing her panties over the prospect of invoking the Mai Lai chapter of the Vietnam Template, one of her soul mates is already publishing it.
The 1968 massacre in Mai Lai provoked an outcry, whereas the 2004 razing of Fallujah provoked Alzheimer's. The military does what it wants and lies if it's caught. Thanks partly to Congressman John Murtha, a former marine colonel and a Vietnam veteran, details keep emerging of the November massacre of Iraqis in the western town of Haditha. Pentagon officials have now confirmed that 24 civilians, rather than the previous estimate of 15, died in their homes in their night clothes, when a troop of Marines ran amok. Shot at point blank were seven women and three children.
Interestingly, this guy is an Aussie named Richard Neville whom we might properly view as a sort of Bizarro Wretchard.
Richard Neville has been a practicing futurist since 1963, when he launched the countercultural magazine, Oz, which widened the boundaries of free speech on two continents. He has written several books, including Playpower (71), the bio of a global serial killer (79), his sixties memoir, Hippie Hippie Shake (95) and his latest handbook of social change, Footprints of the Future. A social commentator and a professional futurist with a sharp tongue, Richard is based in Australia, where he continues to “stir the possum”.
Hmmm. A futurist who can't even find his way out of the 1960s.
It's truly unfortunuate if a few Marines invoked the current version of Breaker Morant's 'Rule 303'. And yes, Murtha, Sheehan et al will milk it for all it's worth politically.
Did POTUS inspire the
"Culture of Violence"
with
"Bring it on!" ?
He is now contrite about that.
INSENSITIVE talk misunderstood by some of our (former) enemies.
Good to know he's
"GROWING in office."
Like they do at SCOTUS.
"a troop of Marines ran amok"
Maybe someone slipped them a preview edition of the
Senate Immigration Bill?
Murtha DID say they were "under stress."
It is the obvious play, stoutfellow.
One that is and will be hard to debunk, if charges are filed. Even if they are not, "Cover Up" will be the Chant.
Politically a Trial will be required, one for each event, at least.
Perhaps for each Marine involved, I have no idea, but the drums for a prosecution to "clear the air" will be beating loudly.
Soon Mr Maliki will have to speak on the subject, not in support of the Marines, I'd wager.
Dear Doug,
Correct usage is NOT "Warizistan"
It is "PoliceActionistan"
All of these moonbats are pathetic and their demands and solutions are just silly.
Unfortunately they are only slightly more pathetic/silly than most of our current crop of elected congress-critters.
It's starting to get difficult to tell the loyal opposition from the party in charge.
I know I'm not the only one getting tired of moonbats on the left and ersatz 'conservatives' on the right.
Oh for the old days...when Galloway long ago would have been challenged on the field of honor, and Cindy would have been quietly put away, from grief, by her family.
The Platoon leader should have consulted with Mr. Maliki prior to the mission.
Like Fox and the (proposed) Fence.
"Fox Given Contract for Construction of Henhouse"
Fiddler Performed in Rome.
Doug said...
"a troop of Marines ran amok"
Maybe someone slipped them a preview edition of the
Senate Immigration Bill?
10:24 AM
Tks I needed a good laugh
For ID Purposes Only
2164th,
Wish I could say "My Pleasure,"
but you are welcome, anyhow.
Power continues to erode in South America, few speak to it, at all.
"... So why is Chavez's "alternative" to hemisphere-wide free trade the only plan visible in South America?
I recently took up these matters with a number of Brazilians in Sao Paulo. The best observation I came across was made by Rubens Barbosa, a former Brazilian ambassador to the U.S.: "Chavez's nationalist populism means his actions are at the roots of the current process of disintegration. ... The logic of South American integration was always, from Brazil's point of view, the Brazil-Buenos Aires axis. Today, we see the Venezuela-Buenos Aires axis consolidating itself. The last 20 years of diplomacy have been affected." ... "
Can Lula Stop Chavez? by Alvaro Vargas Llosa, a Senior Fellow and director of The Center on Global Prosperity at the Independent Institute. He is the author of Liberty for Latin America.
Another "Long" War that is swinging to our enemies.
Mr Chavez is not afraid of decisive action. Ecuador nationalized Occidental Petro's holdings, valued at $1 Billion USD.
Bolivia nationalized Brazil's $2 Billion USD infrastructure investments in Bolivia.
But the petrochemicals and the cash continue to flow, it is a sellers market.
Thomas Sowell, speaking Truth to Power
"... Most of the first generation of immigrants may want nothing more than a chance to work and will be happy to be here instead of in Mexico. But second generations born in this country compare their situation not with the situation in Mexico but with what other Americans around them have.
There are plenty of people, both inside and outside the immigrant community, who will fan their sense of grievance and exploit their resentments. This is not peculiar to people from Mexico. Europe has already experienced this.
Both the facts of the past and the dangers of the future are being ignored in the rush to give immediate benefits to illegal aliens, washed down with much talk about border control but no requirement that the border actually be controlled before these benefits go into effect.
The political strategy of this package deal legislation is to give immediate and irrevocable special benefits to some and make pious promises about the future to get all this past the others. ..."
The Senate gets "tough" and the tough will get going.
I drove one of those, once, doug.
Dashboard shifter, push/pull, if my recollections are accurate. Kinda scary, more so than a "bug" or a Hyundai, I thought at the time.
If they could just make it run on sunlight, it'd be a reasonable exchange. But then the others could run on sunlight, too.
remember the rules
do not feed the animals
11:56 AM Don't forget 'le champignon' (Mushroom) Accelerator Button.
"And Joe's gotta pay."
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But the Elites feel their pain.
Just listen this weekend, you'll see.
The tyranny doctrine
"From Tripoli to Beijing, President Bush has abandoned his bold pledge to support democracy."
By Danielle Pletka and Michael Rubin, they are, respectively, vice president for defense and foreign policy and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.
May 26, 2006
"... The many foreign dissidents and reformers who took Bush at his word are the first to pay the price for Washington's lack of backbone. They were told that if they took risks for freedom, the U.S. would stand with them. Letting them down will make it all the more difficult to find democratic allies. Brave individuals are the real building blocks for transitions to democracy. Without them, as we have learned in Iraq, there are few alternatives to the tyranny that threatens us all.
Reference US actions in Iraq 1991 and how that came to bite US on the ass, with the ascendency of Mr al-Sadr and the SCIRI in 2005 & '06.
"Michael Rubin"
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Gosh, I used to quote him for being there and bringing us the good news when he got back.
Maybe the MSM got to him?
Back to my Hieroglyphics, Habu, 'Rat demos how to make PHONEY LINKS!
Who killed the Bush doctrine?
Here's Rubin tho, as of a year ago.
Tyranny Doctrine
By Danielle Pletka and Michael Rubin
Maybe he saw the "truth", doug.
or the "light"
The Bush administration also fumbled Lebanon. On March 8, 2005, Bush spoke at the National Defense University. "Today I have a message for the people of Lebanon," he said.
"Lebanon's future will be in your hands. The American people are on your side." Perhaps many Americans were, but not the State Department.
When Condoleezza Rice visited Lebanon on July 22, she met not only with the new Prime Minister Fuad Siniora, but also with pro-Syrian President Emile Lahoud, the man whose quest for an extra-constitutional third term began the cascade that led to the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri and sparked the Cedar Revolution. Syrian television, Hezbollah's Al-Manar channel, and the Arabic-language satellite station Al-Jazeera all broadcast her handshake with the symbol of tyranny.
The Lebanese were not alone in their betrayal. Egyptians were aghast when, on September 11, new U.S. Ambassador Frank Ricciardone appeared on Egyptian television and declared, "Let me just reiterate the congratulations of the United States of America to Egypt for this great accomplishment. As you know, President Bush has telephoned President Mubarak ... to congratulate him and Egypt on the accomplishments of this past election."
Makes one wonder what will be on future bin Laden Videos, as examples of how we react.
To think I used to put the blame all on Colin Powell!
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"Embrace of autocracy has become the rule rather than the exception in U.S. foreign policy. At the request of the Palestinian Authority, the State Department banned Issam Abu Issa, a Palestinian anti-corruption activist slated to testify in the House of Representatives."
Ledeen must have loved this one:
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"Bush declared during his 2005 State of the Union Address, "To the Iranian people, I say tonight, as you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you."
But Rice appointed an ExxonMobil advisor who advised against aiding dissidents to cover the State Department's Iran policy planning portfolio.
Against the backdrop of Bush's indifference, Turkish democracy has taken a step backward"
A few comments on the charges against Marines in Haditha. It appears, if true, to have been the work of a small group and the bullets are said to have come from only two rifles.
Now a certain percentage of any organization has criminal tendencies (even among Congressmen) and the military has its share. Whether its a sniper shooting at fellow soldiers at PT, or a Sergeant who rolls grenades into a tent bivouac in Kuwait, the military has crime. If the bullets came from two rifles it's not policy, it crime.
The point may be made that it took too long to bring the suspects to book. But if charges are being filed, that is also refutation of killings as policy.
As regards Galloway he misses the point. Tony Blair's policies are the policies of the British government and the British people. They elected him and have kept on electing him. If George Galloway's views were those of the British people, he would be PM and Tony Blair would be on Big Brother. Therefore to say it is morally justified to assassinate Tony Blair is a perfectly fascist statement, made in the best traditions of an ideology which knows exactly what assassination means.
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Mr Maliki said "three or four days" 'til he could appoint an Interior and Defense Minister.
We will be able to judge his ability to predict and stick to schedules.
Maybe we will still be there in '08.
But why would we want to be?
Which faction are we fightng, now
or then?
This article from the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs seconds the notion that the fly paper of Iraq has lost it's adhesive.
That, as witnessed in Europe, terrorists that have recieved their OJT are heading home.
"... The convergence of the "global jihad," conducted by organizations such as al-Qaeda, with the concept of "local jihad," that was the niche of homegrown militants such as Hamas, is something of a homecoming for the traditional presence of Palestinians within the ranks of Islamic extremists fighting far beyond their borders. Palestinians now have the opportunity to serve their own cause - the convenience of being a "good" global jihadist and a "good" Palestinian nationalist both at once.
Zarqawi has vowed to cut off the head of King Abdullah II. The Iraq phase has taught many Palestinians and Jordanians fighting skills, who may have returned to Jordan. Today, these experienced elements pose the most direct threat to Jordan's security. ..."
And that the aQ threat is mobilizing around Israel.
wretchard,
An additional problem associated with the Marines in Haditha is that the chain of command may have covered up the 'crimes'.
In the propagand wars, dear host wretchard, it will not be the single incident, but the "Pattern" created by the second, April event.
While intellectually correct, as to prosecution and convictions denying these criminal acts as Policy, the damage will make Abu Grahib pantie raids pale in comparison.
By the "Pattern" of reported abuse, over a six month period Nov. '05 - Apr '06, the Corps will be brought to the Bar.
Make no mistake.
The Corps can see it coming, that is why the commandant is acting, preemptively.
Just like the LAPD.
When the military becomes policemen, there are repurcussions to violence.
Whether that violence is justified or not.
a Marine Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee's warning to his troops this week: "We use lethal force only when justified, proportional and, most importantly, lawful."
"...Hagee met with top lawmakers from those panels this week to bring them up to date on the investigation.
"I can say that there are established facts that incidents of a very serious nature did take place," Sen. John Warner, chairman of the Senate panel, said Thursday. He would not provide details or confirm reports that about 24 civilians were killed. He told reporters he had "no basis to believe" the military engaged in a cover-up. ..."
All from "USA Today".
Seems of all the national papers, LA Times is the most "over the top", so far.
habu,
it isn't me making this up:
"Officials briefed on preliminary results of the inquiry said the civilians killed at Haditha, a lawless, insurgent-plagued city deep in Sunni-dominated Anbar Province, did not die from a makeshift bomb, as the military first reported, or in cross-fire between marines and attackers, as was later announced. A separate inquiry has begun to find whether the events were deliberately covered up."
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Marines-Iraq-Investigations.html
no, habu, I'm not from Geogia.
ash,
In Seantor Warner's thinking the Military is General Hagee and General Casey, the Commanders and Staff.
Rest assured they would not be "covering up".
But there could have been, at the Unit level, Marines involved in false reporting of the incident. The Senator would not, I think, consider that a "Cover up", but an extension of the original crime, IMHO.
Whether that spin could be maintained in a hostile press enviorment remains to be seen.
"a Sergeant who rolls grenades into a tent bivouac in Kuwait, the military has crime"
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Similar to Malvo, I consider that part of the WOT, rather than crime.
habu,
This Haditha incident has been percolating through various media from MSM to blogs and Iraqis hollaring about it. Video on al Jazeera and different 'stories' from the US military. Now the chorus is grown so loud and even the high command seems to be laying criminal charges in the matter and, according to that report, there is an inquiry into a possible coverup. DR mention other press stories alluding to coverup. We shall see what evolves but much damage is already done.
As a lay person observing this incident and others one really has to wonder what hasn't come to light. One also wonders how we really badly we must be doing in Iraqi eyes trying to win their hearts and minds over to supporting our benign presence on their oil soaked lands. Have you read many soldiers blogs Habu? I've come across a couple, one which has since been pulled down, that really seem to capture the fear and anger experienced by some soldiers in Iraq. They don't seem to call the people of Iraq Iraqis but rather Haji. Do you think that would be a pleasant friendly nicname or maybe it might convey some...animosity?
Check out this guys blog and think what impression he leaves on the Iraqis he encounters:
"Not even a minute into town we got involved in a traffic jam. Being motionless is a death trap; if you take contact and can’t move on the battlefield you just shoot back and hope that your gunners don’t get hit. It’s like being the boxer who gets trapped in the corner of the ring. As my driver slowed to a crawl and layed on the horn I yelled in Arabic and motioned for cars to get out of the way. Many just sat there.
“Alright, fuck this,” I thought as I grabbed my shotgun. I yelled “Shotgun blast!” to the guys below me in the truck, thumbed the safety off and pointed it in the air, holding it with my right hand looking like a Texas cowboy on his horse firing his six-shooter into the air.
BOOM!
The Hajis standing in the open scattered like cockroaches and ran into buildings. People in cars did their best to get out of our way, many pulling off the street and onto sidewalks. Still, some remained.
I yelled at my driver, “Fuck this shit, they’re not moving! Just ram them!”
My driver pushed a hole through the traffic jam. Cars crunched against each other, glass and metal grinding together sounding like nails on a chalkboard. We punched through and my driver slammed the gas pedal to the floor. I looked behind me every two or three seconds and seeing that our convoy made it through the traffic jam, hollered at my TC. “We’re all through, we’re good! Go, go, go!”
We continued to go through town as fast as possible. From time to time I checked behind me to make sure all the trucks were there. My adrenaline was flowing and my eyes darted in every direction, scanning every rooftop and window, the traffic in front of us, and the Hajis on the side of the road. We eventually took a wrong turn but we just rolled with the punches and made our own way; taking the time to stop and turn around is suicide.
I can only imagine what it’s like for an Iraqi to look in his rearview mirror and see a ginormous tan Humvee coming toward him, horn blaring while the gunner screams and flails his arms. I’m sure they’ve learned to constantly look in their rearview mirror. Despite this, the same incident occurred twice more; it sounds bad, but I was essentially terrorizing the population by firing my twelve gauge into the air. Say what you want, but for the most part it worked damn well."
funwithhandgrenades
When I leaving the Army, the "Culture of Violence" and co-ed training were both coming to the forefront.
One first considered a "problem" the latter, an "advance".
Have not won a War since.
The Marines were able to hold off the feminization of the Corps, for another 20 years, but now, mass murder will finally give the Lawyers their go.
"Culture of Violence", never forget when they said that was a negatory thing to develop in a Combat Arms Unit.
I shudder to think now about Yeager and his mates
"Culture of Aces"
Not only lives were lost, but also perfectly good aircraft!
ash,
To the US Troops, they're targets in a War Zone, you do not stop.
As a driver, I would not have waited for instructions to ram the vehicles ahead to clear a path. That is convoy security 101.
That is a War Zone.
You are expecting Police sirens and traffic cops to clear the path, that doesn't happen.
Yes, it is scary and the Hajis are afraid, just as are the Joes.
All Iraqis are Hajis,
all Panamanians are Julios and
all Americans are Joes.
Respectfully or not.
habu, I have no idea if it is made up or not. The military obviously has a vested interest in not having these kinds of things becoming public knowledge but I also think that there are a lot of good people in the military who would cover up such a crime. I would guess it probably occured as DR described it, a fudging of facts at a unit level with a command structure believing the boys story unless forced by other circumstances to view it more critically.
castiron,
"And we felt fear, from the newfound realization that such evil could rain on any of us. But above all, we felt the desire for overwhelming retaliation against whomever was responsible for these atrocities, directly or indirectly, so that no one would dare launch or support such an attack on America ever again."
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That idea has been thoroughly rejected in favor of the
REally Long War Doctrine.
I understand DR, that it is a war zone and as such it makes it impossible to win hearts and minds of the locals. It also seems more understandable to me, when reading a blog like funwithhandgrenades, how soldiers can get so desensitized and pumped with fear and adrenaline that killing a few hajis, even innocent civis, isn't a bad day. Take a read of that guys blog and watch for how keen (and conflicted) he is to get his first confirmed kill.
I agree with you, the marines are not a suitable tool for a police action.
habu, and this blog is really a cia front. how stylish is your tinfoil hat.
maybe funwithhandgrenades is a fake, but it sure doesn't read like it. Take a look at the comments and what his mom says.
“Islam is peace.”
Islamic terrorists, they claim, have “hijacked a great religion.”
America’s intellectual failure to identify the nature of the enemy is a major cause of its defeatism—but this failure, and its responsibility for our policies, only goes so far.
For example, none of our politicians identify our enemy as “Islamic Totalitarianism”; however, they all know and admit that Iran and Syria are active sponsors of terrorism, that Iran is developing missiles and a nuclear weapon, that Saudi Arabia turns out legions of wannabe terrorists, and many other facts pointing to the conclusion that if we are to be safe, these states must be stopped.
Shortly after 9/11, President Bush demonstrated some understanding of the role of state support of terrorism when he declared: “From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.”
ooops,
above i wrote:
"but I also think that there are a lot of good people in the military who would cover up such a crime."
I meant to write "who WOULDN"T cover up such a crime".
A police action is not a suitable tool for the WOT.
"Hold on tight the turnip truck's about to make another left turn. Don't fall off"
???
It's the RIGHT turns to look out for:
He's always leaning hard into the other ones.
3:44 PM
For Ash, I like Antihistamines.
Anti Allergenic.
except, doug, those that are not.
Everyone knows the Enemy.
But do not have to say his name.
Just like "God"
We do not have to strike the Enemy in his homeland, 'cause he is "everywhere", like "God".
And whom does this Enemy claim to represent, why "God", of course.
Just ask Mr al-Sadr.
3:50 PM
I'm easily confused.
Except when reading about folks like Truman.
Malvo "Crime" Scene Evidence
Malkin has the complete Crime Scene Report.
In Los Angeles, Fox Claims to be more Conservative than Bush:
No Deficit.
Beltway Boys clue Jed Babbin in on what we the public (as opposed to talk radio troublemakers) really want wrt undocumented immigration:
The Kennedy-McCain Bush Plan!
If only he had been undocumented, he would have only had to pay taxes on 3 of 5 years.
The Marine commandant planned to read to officers and enlisted personnel a statement reminding them: "We must regulate force and violence, we only damage property that must be damaged, and we protect the noncombatants we find on the battlefield."
Hagee last week briefed key congressional leaders on the upcoming report. One of those, Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), a retired Marine colonel, said later that Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood."
Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-El Cajon), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, held a news conference last Friday to plead with reporters, politicians and the public not to judge U.S. troops by the action "of one squad, in one city, on one morning."
The Marines have had more than 700 personnel killed in Iraq.
Ah, but what will Mr Hunter say about the April killing, in Fallujah?
Another squad, in another city, on another day?
The makings of a drama ...
ash
It is not impossible to win the "Hearts & Minds".
It is just not easy and requires skill sets that young Marines are not accomplished in.
It requires a smaller footprint with a greater committment. Less troop rotations, longer deployments, more language skills. Greater integration with the Iraqi Forces.
It would require filling the State & Justice billets in Baghdad, with competent people, there for the long term.
It's not going to happen.
Buried Poll: Floridians Support Offshore Drilling
White House compares illegal immigration to 'traffic ticket'...
The problem with comparisons to WWII, habu, is found in General Hagee's comment/ order
"...we protect the noncombatants we find on the battlefield. ..."
Which was not the case in Japan, during WWII, at all. There it was, without a doubt in General LeMay's military mind, the "Plan" to burn Tokyo and it's noncombatant inhabitants to the ground.
Maybe the Coyotes will finally get the message and drive more carefully?
LeMay was wrong, not only for the lives lost, but unnecessary property damage.
We now know,
That's a know know.
The Marine commandant planned to read to officers and enlisted personnel a statement reminding them: "We must regulate force and violence, we only damage property that must be damaged.
And he was not redeploying the European air wing to the Pacific to put on Air Shows.
He promised there would be no need for an invasion, even without nuclear weaponry. His plan was to burn the Country down, city by city, town by town, he'd have done, too.
Reminder to my inner warrior:
"Kill people and break SOME things."
Forklift Records to be held for 45 days by Ted Olsen to preserve sactity of House Parking Garage.
Did it miss a scheduled Lube Job or not?
THAT is the question.
By the time we engaged North Vietnam, we could hardly bomb the rice paddy irrigation systems without internal complaint of excessive force & violence upon Civilians, there in the North.
Could have limited their food supply, you know. Could have made life hard on 'em.
In the Afghanistan Campaign, we bombed 'em with food stuffs, first.
Times & Standards change.
"Sanctity"
As in DC Politicos Closeness to God.
"In the Afghanistan Campaign, we bombed 'em with food stuffs, first."
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That was just the lure for the children.
Then we disguised cluster grenades to look like foodstuffs.
Interesting and agreeable, habu.
Goes to the core of the problem.
There is a concerted campaign to drain the US's "Will" to conduct the Mohammedan Wars. Seems to be going reasonably well for them, so far.
Where is the US campaign to drain, destroy or subjugate the Enemie's "Will"?
I do not see it.
I look, hopefully, each morning for news of the Sea Change, I continue my quest, better read and informed than ever before.
But less than impressed with the success of our efforts.
Islam will experience a Reformation under the Assault of our Sensitivity.
You just wait.
By your reasoning then, habu, Coventry and the Blitz were justifiable, for the same reason.
To break the English's will to fight on.
Or the attacks on the Twin Towers, justified because Osama thought he'd "break" our "Will" to occupy Arabia by bringing the fight to US shores?.
That sounds more like Mr Galloway's example of Mr Blair or Mr Bush being a "legitimate" target, one that if killed would drain Allied "will to win". Any and all targets, on both sides are "open season" if the justification is to destroy their "Will"
Tell em those are RAISIN just waiting for the Reformation
Hitler = Churchill
or as we said in the Vietnam era:
Samo Samo.
Crime and Punishment of the Taxpayer
"One of the more popular claims by illegal immigration proponents is that those who enter the U.S. by breaking the law are invariably "hard-working" and "law-abiding" once they get here.
That argument, however, has one major flaw. According to Justice Department statistics and the analysis of immigration experts, the "law-abiding" claim often isn't true.
Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."
Poverty causes wealth:
We FEED on poor people.
As long as they are law abiding and hard working non documented residents.
Americans are too lazy to work, but fat, thanks to them.
But wrong is founded on brute force, as well. In fact it is often stronger than "right"
Strength or the Will to use it.
Will and decisive action will win the day
Dyslexic stneod ot edaht.
Perhaps the President figures he might need the vote of Representative William J. Jefferson, Democrat of Louisiana, in his quest to give away the country, thus ordering the evidence sealed for 45 days?
Latest proposal:
Gas needed for border crossings will be capped at $3/gal to ensure an orderly flow even if there is a severe energy crisis.
Useful Idiots such as Lenin could NEVER have imagined...and SO proud of their idiocy.
"It's always been that combat troops were judged by Line Officers if they were court martialed for serious battlefield offenses. It was always a given that the Judge should be someone who has been through the Fear, Frustration, and Stress as the ones they were Judging. It was never accepted that rear echelon officers could have the necessary empathy that fairness required."
WHAT!??!!
Do you know anything about the organization of courts martial under the UCMJ? Do you have any idea how small the USMC actually is? "rear echelon officers" has no currency because anyone "rear" is thousands of miles away for the court...unless they bring them back to Quantico for court-martial, where the officer density is nearly inverted when compared to the FMF. Then, and perhaps in any case, the troops should exercise their right to enlisted representation on the court, which means that over 1/3 must be troops of equal or higher rank; the officers then lose control because a guilty verdict requires 2/3 or greater vote and the enlisted have more than 1/3, which is to say, veto power.
The Marines involved in the April incident have already been brought back to the States, I'd imagine the November incident perps have as well.
They will be tried Stateside, as the Abu Gtahib guards were.
"In the days and weeks after 9/11 --
as becomes obvious looking back over so many public statements at that time, from people who have since lost their nerve -- we had a clearer understanding of what we were confronting.
And this because we had just looked it in the face.
We could, for an interval, see the result of waiting for such problems as Islamist terrorism to blow over."
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But the refrain now from Washington is to remove all emotion, clear the mind for State Dept Speak Words from the EggHead that now Heads State.
GWB "errored" with his Cowboy Talk, he was wrong, his critics were right he now confesses, after all, because hey, people sometimes get the wrong idea when they hear that kind of tough talk.
12:09 AM Ah yes, Abu Gharib, the lowest point:
The Voluntary Humiliation and Dhimmitude was exquisite.
We are such an Evil People.
Open the borders, level the field.
Play fair.
"As usual, I make no apologies for trying to comprehend things at the broadest level of generality, and in the simplest terms.
Some writers pursue the subtle; I am usually looking for the plain. I believe a general failure to grasp the obvious permits much false subtlety.
To my mind, people who do not grasp there is a war on, and that it is a war that will determine how our children will live, and their children’s children, lack an elementary purchase on reality."
Some questions
- David Warren
12:12 AM
So it turned out the lady of the house was right all along.
Laura must be proud.
LINK
...about the President’s predilection for early nights, about trips to Chippendales with Lynne Cheney and Condi Rice, and about milking horses—the kind of humor that the likes of Jenna Bush might find hilarious, if that stuff weren’t so icky coming from one’s mom.
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Now if the roles had been reversed, and it was W that told jokes like that in public, he'd be sleeping on the porch.
Anyways, the idea of that happening is simply too preposterous to contemplate.
Be good, George.
Abu Gharib Boot Camp
Clearly the anthem “I am woman, hear me roar” no longer resonates, having taken a backseat to the less stirring
“I am woman, see me lap dance; I am woman, see me puke.”
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Bobby Knight teaches Golf Video on Home page.
First Place Winner:
1) Catholic University Women's Lacrosse Team Initiation 2006
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Striking Fear in the Heart of Islam.
John Tabin on why Hastert has no case in defending the search of Congressman Jefferson's (Democrat-Louisiana) office.
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Jefferson's Staff had told investigators that needed docs were in the office!
Speaker Hastert, doug, understands both truth and power
"... The fracas turned into a near-open revolt yesterday among House Republicans -- normally the White House's staunchest backers -- who were infuriated by a news report that Speaker Dennis Hastert himself was a subject of the federal corruption probe.
Even though the Justice Department denied the report, Mr. Hastert, in a Chicago radio interview yesterday, accused Justice of leaking the report to try to silence his criticism of the Jefferson raid. "This is one of the leaks that come out to try to, you know, intimidate people," Mr. Hastert said. "We're just not going to be intimidated on it."
From the WSJ
So much for Immigration compromise, if the White House is trying to "smear" or "intimidate" the Speaker with leaks of false information to the MSM.
Puts Mr Hastert and Ms Plame in the same League, aye.
Wonder if Mr Cheney was in the "loop" this time, as well.
Maybe it was just Mr Rove, or Mr Gonzalez's call. Couldm't be that the President himself had 'em smear Mr Hastert, could it?
Oh, it may just have been "Clintonista" agents at Justice.
Or has Justice devolved into just another "out of control" Executive Agency, like the CIA or FEMA?
Would that be better, or worse for Mr Bush's image of competentcy in governng, than authorizing the "leak"?
It ain't Cheney pulling the strings on immigration, nor imploring Bush to apologize for remarks deemed unacceptable to the standards of the MSM, nor allowing the Taliban to rebuild possibly beyond 9-11 strength in Warizistan, nor...
Anyway:
You left out Hastert being pissed about his old friend Goss's treatment.
If the result is they gather the spine to tell Rove to shove it on immigration, I say unapologetically:
Bring it on!
Tony Snow used that weird line we heard here on this forum a while back wrt immigration:
"Nobody cared about it 6 months ago, and now it's this big (temporary) deal."
...it'll blow over when they get back on the Turnip Truck.
Limbaugh said that for the last 3 years when he traveled to California, he heard nothing but immigration.
That, plus Professor Hazlit finally caused him to see the light that it is really more about increasing the power of the welfare state and global wages than it is about Mexicans, jobs Americans won't do, etc etc.
Far be it from Superior Bubble Boy Bush and his genius sidekick to actually get input from THE PEOPLE!
(or give a crap about their family's welfare and security)
We've all gotten speeding tickets before, so what the hey?
Right?
The "culture of violence", doug, it had even enter the White House, for a while.
It's okay now, though.
No more tough talk or provocative statements.
Wouldn't want anyone to think there was a War on, or something.
'Cause, it's more obvious than ever, there is not.
From empowering Mr al-Sadr, Dawa and SCIRI in Iraq to Hamas's ascendency and subsequent US subsidy in Palistine, all the way to the Mullah's cascading successes in Iran and aQ/ Taliban's growing strength in Warizistan, there is more than ample evidence of
"Peace in our time"
NY Times has an article about Gonzalez threatening to resign if he was prevented from doing the job he is required by law to do.
Don't forget Khada Emile Lahoud in Lebanon, and the non converted convert in Libya.
Michael Rubin hasn't.
...and Egypt.
Samo Samo at State, if not worse, AND it's post 9-11:
Just like the border, which Snow assures us will take a couple of years to secure now that we double dare promise we're serious this time.
Serious about securing, that is.
Har har.
With reports of two "out of control" Marine squads within just six months, why the Corps must be suffering from the "culture of violence" as well.
Those miscreants that pulled the triggers, as well as their enablers and supporters, will have done more damage to the Corps, in Iraq and beyond, than all the IEDs or command detonated mines CDMs fired in Iraq. CDMs are what IEDs really are. It's spun as "improvised" in an attempt to "discredit" the enemy. Their stuff is "homemade" while ours come from factories, made to order.
The Military is filled with the wrong skill sets to be Policemen and Reconstructionists.
Mr Rumsfeld told US that tale, two years ago. Never tried to modify the Force, they say this is a "one of" operation.
Trish sighs in relief.
At David Warrens, I learned Bush deems it unacceptable to hand the Iran Problem over to his successor.
We'll see about that, won't we, God Willing.
"Their stuff is "homemade" while ours come from factories, made to order"
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Part of the overwhelming superiority we have that allows us to put in place any old ROE's Laura, er President Bush wants to have.
The truth is, doug, we could have handed the Government of Iraq to the DAWA & SCIRI after 180 days.
By not "rigging the deck" to install a secular group we wasted everything spent after Nov. '03.
As far as the battle with Islamic extremism is concerned.
We held the Civil War to a low level insurgency since that time, but that will, in the end, be for naught.
The fly paper theory worked for the first year or so, but the adhesive has dried out, and now those flies, they are headed home.
I guess some of the IED's are a bit hokey:
Ingraham talked to a Captain that lost an arm, eye, backside and rectum to it:
He said he saw the "sparkler" and called out, prior to trying to open the door with his non-existent hand.
The sparkler being a detonating cord of some sort. (dynamite fuse?)
Nice to know what's going to happen in the immediate future, so, a toast to IED's vs CDM's.
6:40 AM I guess the Warisistan Training grounds attrack some of the more promising flies.
Maybe some future Dem Pres will waste a bunch of Cruise Missiles on them?
If he brings the same level of focus and mangerial success to an Iranian adventure as he has delivered to US on other issues, over the last six years, the adventure will go poorly.
A half hearted effort that will do more harm than good.
Like the results in Palistine, or the insecurity of Route Irish in Baghdad, today.
GWB, noble aims with piss poor performance.
Traffic ticket, who are they trying to kid?
Works for them.
No comment on the "aims" wrt to Global Socialism and etc.
I am but an ignorant serf.
Already, doug, the President and Mr Snow are talking as condesendingly about US as "fly over" folk, used to.
While you are in a "fly to" zone, most of US are not.
Too late now, but I gotta check the math on something I read at Townhall:
Something about every child being born with a 180,000 dollar debt, BEFORE figuring in Ted and W's free Viagra program.
Gotta have Ted and John, and W's global wages plan next to stave off the inevitable for another decade or two.
Babbin had on Kudlow who insists Mexicans will save social security.
Expert Economist he:
Ferrari Healthcare on Kia Wages for the whole family of six!
Yeah, the feel NO compunction to come way down to our level and talk about it:
The have the vision of the annointed, and a responsibility to carry out the mission.
Stay the course.
"they feel no"
...anything, far as I can tell.
Detonated enough to cripple the Captain, for life.
Det cord burns at around 18,000 to 22,000 feet per second or so.
It does not "sparkle", normally.
The fuze, in nonelectrical ignitions, will sparkle as it burns.
Their stocks seem to be of Soviet style demo, which in a dry enviorment will remain stable & usable for a long time.
We used to send laundry bags of Natural gas up with dynamite fuse to give the locals some UFO fun.
Best I can remember, the fuse sparkled.
I even had some concern about where it might land!
No conflagrations ensued, at least not at Dresden levels.
I'll be as stressed as Tony and W if I don't get my beauty sleep:
Manyana, Amigo!
Panama PI
Ralph Peters, a known commidity amongst the readers says this about the Bush Administration. He is speaking in regards the General's Dissent but the tactics are the same as used against Mr Hastert and now opponents of the "Path to US Citizenship" for Millions of foreigners.
We are the World
"... Of course, the administration's no-holds-barred defense of Secretary Rumsfeld is really a defense of itself. From disseminating talking points against the critics to thousands of retired flag officers, to instigating op-eds (not a few of which have been bluntly dishonest), the administration's response to criticism has been character assassination combined with a skillful effort to shift the terms of the debate. We have been told that the critical retirees are simply gripers, disappointed in their military careers. What we're not told is that Major General John Batiste, the decorated former combat commander of the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq, turned down a third star rather than continue to serve under Secretary Rumsfeld,..."
The song remains the same
only the enemy changes
it's why he has no name.
When the President did name the enemy, like Hamas it made no difference. Today we subsidize the expenses of their Palistinian Government.
Whit, read this, from Memorial Day 2002 (it's a VDH story ab/ his namesake, who died on Okinawa in 1945). It will help you forget Mr. Murtha on this Memorial Day.
"The barbarities of war are seldom committed by abnormal men. The tragedy of war is that these horrors are committed by normal men in abnormal situations."
-Major Thomas, 1980 Australian film, Breaker Morant
If you never saw it. Do yourself a life favor and see it. We ask young men to do the unthinkable and the unnatural, place them in the middle of horror and we are shocked when they become part of what we trained them to be. How sweet it is to be among the righteous.
Prager wonders why we don't get stories for Lay and Schilling about their screwed up upbringing.
...and why murderers and serial child molesters get less time.
10:21 AM 2164th:
How dare you say that!
I've never (physically) harmed a soul fighting in this war at my keyboard!
"Murtha should give up his sword,Eagle,Globe, and Anchor."
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Jed Babbin interviewed a lady running against the old fart, trying to stop the nonsense before it gets worse.
Whit, 7:51 AM,
The lady running against him says he was calling for a Draft FOURTEEN MONTHS prior to the begining of his perpetual TV Career.
Jay Garner interview (real audio)
LINK
GOOGLE LINKS
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The general also said he would have shipped in huge generators to supply electricity. (I've never understood the $500 billion and they did not do much of that at all, far as I know.)
He added: "On my part I would certainly (have) done a better job on having communications with the Iraqi people."
The consequences of that is that Iraqi's now listen to Al-Jazeera, the Arab TV channel that the US accuses of colluding with insurgents to film attacks on coalition forces, he told the BBC.
General Garner was replaced as the American's senior civil administrator in Iraq by Paul Bremer after initial reconstruction efforts did not go according to plan. WHAT WAS THAT, A FRIGGING MONTH OR TWO?
The change of personnel was also the result of rivalry in Washington between the Pentagon and the state department over who should be doing what in Iraq.
Garner had a MONTH before the State Dept fixed everything.
...he was appointed only a week before he was chosen.
State Dept did NOT give him the plan until too late.
Listen to the audio, particularly about Rumsfeld talking to him when orders came down for him to get rid of State Dept guy that wrote the plan, and SPENT A YEAR DOING IT!
Garner asked the guy to join him when he found that out.
Another article says Garner and Rumsfeld were old friends.
only a FEW weeks
Garner = Truman
(interview was 1993)
Condi = Toni Snow
Correction of typo:
...he was appointed only a few weeks before he was put in place.
Then had only a month while being sabotaged from higher up.
Trish:
No comment by you on previous (Ronin) thread.
Did you miss it like I did?
trish,
unfortunately no one really has a clear sense of what it means to "see it through" so off the pot we must inevitably get.
danmyers
I wish Victory were an active option, but it seems not to be a viable one.
Depending upon the meaning of Victory, of course.
The removal of Saddam, that mission ended in Victory.
The establishment of a secular or moderate Islamic Iraq has not ended in Victory.
The leading candidate for Interior Minister, "... at least one Shiite appeared to be edging toward getting the interior minister portfolio — former National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie, 57 ... "
Number two Security position in Iraq goees to the man that first announced, US out by '08.
While Mr Maliki said out in '07, just two days ago.
Believe 'em.
For Defense Minister... "... Hashim al-Taie, a Sunni legislator involved the negotiations, complained nominees had been rejected by the dominant parties because they were former Baath Party members.
"This issue became a thorny one," he told The Associated Press. "We have not agreed on specific names and we hope that this issue is to be settled in today's meeting."
He said there were three candidates: two independents and a member of the National Accordance Front.
"They are all former army officers but were not Baath party members," he said. ...".
But then the most interesting part of the USA Today story is
"... The political maneuvering came as Iran's foreign minister visited the Shiite holy cities of Karbala and Najaf, where he met with Iraq's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, who was leading the second high-level visit by an Iranian delegation since Saddam Hussein was ousted, met with al-Maliki and other top Iraqi officials Friday, and he rejected a U.S. offer of direct talks on Iraq as Tehran hardened its position against international pressure to stop uranium enrichment.
Mottaki also got a boost from his Iraqi counterpart, Hoshyar Zebari, who said Iran has the right to peaceful nuclear research — a stance that runs counter to U.S. efforts to force Tehran to stop all nuclear activities amid fears it is seeking to develop atomic weapons. ..."
Which means that while Mr Sistani will not meet with ANY US representitive & leaves letters from Mr Bush unopen and untranslated on his desk, there is no problem meeting with Iran's Foreign Minister.
These are our Allies in the War on Terror?
These are the folk we are turning the ISF over too?
Who dare calls that a Victory, for US Security, Freedom or more than one vote, one time democracy?
The US will not be there to monitor the "next" election.
Then a "...Prominent Sunni politician Adnan al-Dulaimi...
...When asked about Mottaki's warning on Friday that Iran would retaliate against any U.S. attack, Al-Dulaimi said Iraq would not allow its territory to be used "as a launching pad against any other country." ..."
So even the Sunni in the Iraqi Government will not want US using Iraq as a base of operations against Syria or Iran. The Insurrection against US forces in Iraq, in case of any such campaign would be guarenteed.
Yes, USA Today may have gotten the NSA phone records story wrong, but this one, these quotes, sound legit.
doug,
massive generators?
they need infrastructure, cables, transformers, relays, etc.
None of which is in place.
But at Pep Boys electric generators are retailing for $189 USD. each.
Bought by the tens of thousands, the Chinese could supply those units @ less than $60 USD each.
100,000 generators would have had an immediate impact in Iraq.
1,000,000 and we would not have electricty as an issue, in Iraq.
Centralized planning and distribution, did not work in Russia, it won't work in Iraq, whether it is US or Iraqis that attempt it.
No one had to "plan" getting 1,000,000 cars into Iraq.
The market handled it, just fine.
The subsidized gasoline was and still is a challenge for the Iraqi Government.
"... DILI, East Timor (AP) — East Timor's capital descended into chaos Saturday as rival gangs torched houses and attacked each other with machetes and spears, defying international peacekeepers.
The violence prompted thousands of residents to flee or hide, terrified, in their homes. The United Nations said it would relocate all U.N. families and non-essential staff to a temporary safe haven in Darwin, Australia.
The prime minister described the violence as an attempt to overthrow his government.
"What is in motion is an attempt to stage a coup d'etat," Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri told a news conference as fires raged across the city.
Minutes before he spoke, Australian troops disarmed up to 40 machete-wielding gang members half a block away.
The Australian troops, who answered an emergency call from the fledgling country's government two days ago, patrolled the city in armored personnel carriers and tanks, and Black Hawk helicopters thundered overhead. ...
..."The Timorese are fighting, so we are afraid. At night they fire guns, or maybe worse, so I had to run to the United Nations," said Anim, a mother of four, as she prepared for a night in an overcrowded refugee camp at the U.N. headquarters.
"The west and the east, they want to fight. They are enemies from long ago. Now they are trying to provoke each other."
The violence was triggered by the March firing of 600 disgruntled soldiers — nearly half the 1,400-member army — and is the most serious crisis East Timor has faced since it broke from Indonesian rule in 1999.
After staging deadly riots last month, the sacked troops fled the seaside capital, setting up positions in the surrounding hills, and threatened guerrilla war if they were not reinstated.
They started ambushing soldiers in the capital Tuesday, sparking days of pitched gunbattles with the military that so far have killed 23 people and injured scores. ..."
Belmont Club, always a step ahead.
'Rat,
CNN Australia had some pretty good video last week. Don't know if it's still available here.
Strange experience for the Aussies who escaped, being in the midst of a gunbattle of the police and etc on the downtown streets!
Not what they bargained for!
Garner said they were going to KEEP 20 of 23 bureaucracies, but when he got there, the buildings were blown up and all the employees were no-where to be found.
Said they literally had to send their guys out in the neighborhoods asking for the whereabouts of people they wanted to keep!
1:28 PM your right, 'Rat, government thinking, he said massive, I was thinking community sized but individual or 5 appartment models would have been far better.
Since we were just spending free money, imo it would have been worthwhile to get the smallest available diesel models, since all that gasoline around would be less than ideal in that environment.
...and the cheapo things wear out, stink, and make noise, ala the Baghdad Dentists.
Could have even had hot water if they were water cooled!
How big is yours out in the desert?
(interview was 1993)
2003 duh!
Long war indeed!
Whit, 1:25 PM
JMO for what little it's worth, but I do think my BS Detector has some value:
Truman and Garner represent straight talkers to me.
Condi and Snow are full of it,
but again, jmo.
Plus Snow and Condi are selling some REALLY bad programs.
Read Rubin on Condi, listen to Snow on immigration and on the Condescension and contempt for conservatives he telegraphs from the WH.
Plenty of Liberal think the Bush/Kennedy/McCain giveaway our country scheme sucks big time.
Not the leaders, of course, THE PEOPLE Liberal and conservative alike.
I've got a 5kw up in the hills, along with two boat batteries and a solar panel. That runs some 12 volt lighting and stereo w/Sirius.
The generator hardly gets used, now that the construction is over.
Localized generators would have worked well, co-ops running 15 or 20 kw machines. I've hauled generators that ran three carpentry crews with power to spare, 20 some years ago.
The Iraqi homes I've seen on video are all running swamp coolers, or small window A/C's, not 5 ton A/C, so they don't even need 220.
It was not a priority, in Iraq, reconstruction and hearts & minds.
Building megabases while establishing an operational footprint, that had priority.
The military achieved it's Goals, the Politicos dropped the ball.
Those empty State & Justice billets, a more serious failure of manpower management than any would want to imagine.
It only examplifies the lack of any real seriousness given to the Iraqi Project, by the Federal folks that "promote from within", outside the Military.
All the "up and comers"
stayed away.
The Shia, already abandoned by US once in '91 have eyes.
Trish:
"What DEFINES an innocent civilian? "
Ask Kevin Sites:
He can instantly size up the situation, analyze it on the fly under fire, and make the decision to let a Marine be tried in public in a matter of minutes.
Arrangement w/MSM for rebroadcast and etc can be taken care of in a few days.
I had a WWII generator on skids for airdrops!
Guy that lived behind Hearst Castle gave it to me.
He built the sets on Tora Tora Tora. (the original)
Weighed just a bit, but I could drag it, two young guys could move it.
swamp coolers: you got those in Phoenix?
They worked great where I grew up:
Fresh cool air even at 115 outdoors.
(100-105 was normal)
Now everybody has the Electricity eating AC's most everywher.
They, the new Irai rulers, are in their mid 50's to 60's.
They remember both President Diem and the Shah or Iran, they know the real value of US "committments & promises" even if most Americans seem to forget the lessons of history.
Pay any price
Bear any burden
unless we change our mind.
3:44 PM Wish I could say that's all wrong, or at least exagerated, but not to my eyes either.
Just remembered something C4 would like:
Ledeen's Daughter, and other wet behind the ears EXPERTS in the Green Zone.
Truly Sad.
Used to use a swamper, but the high humidity in August made for alot of pool time, the swamper wasn't effective then.
Switched to A/C a few years ago.
Higher operating costs, do not use the outdoor living areas nearly as much.
Can sleep through the night in August, though.
August: I was gonna say, where I grew up it cooled off nicely at nite to 70-80, dry.
Lot different than the Central Valley, esp when it all got irrigated.
Dad loved the climate in our tiny town.
That and Mexico.
" defying international peacekeepers."
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The CNN Videos last week showed the UN doing what they do best:
Watching the action.
(at least when they aren't indisposed with young girls and boys)
Coming soon: The Web toll
"... Karachi, 25 May (AKI) - (Syed Saleem Shahzad) - Sources in northern Pakistan have told Adnkronos International (AKI) that Islamabad is rapidly reviewing its policies on Waziristan and will eventually withdraw its troops and recognise the Pakistani Taliban militants who in practice run the tribal region. A clear sign of this shift in policy is the recent appointment of retired Lt. General Ali Muhammad Jan Orakzai - widely considered a foe of Washington - as governor of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province (NWFP). which borders the tribal area. ..."
Via Westhawk and Winds of Change the above is from PAKISTAN: RECOGNITION OF TALIBAN 'ADMINISTRATION' ON THE CARDS
Seems the General-President has had enough of the War for Wariziatan.
The Westhawk gang has a reasonable analysis of the situation.
Mohammedans on the march, gaining ground.
Our "Allies" in the Muslim world are, for the most part, anything but.
Put a happy face on that 'Rat.
Options are going to rapidly evaporate if we don't start bombing that place pronto.
...but of course that is for Mr. Rove to decide.
He'll be leaving a lot more than the "Iran Problem" for US at this rate.
I remember sometime back in one of the Lebanon events when lots of things in many countries were right on a balance point:
People sitting up and taking notice of what the Big Dog was doing in Iraq.
Unfortunately, they've been watching Laura's Poodle perform since.
No comment from you there yet 'Rat.
I left this:
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I agree with papa and sirius:
Musharraf does not have the luxury of deciding whatever he wants.
(esp given US weakness/political calculating lately)
Seems to me the best policy for him would be to distance himself from us, at least as a stance, and it's up to us to do what we should have been doing for the last 3 years:
Bombing Sanctuaries and killing Taliban.
Seems to me we caused the General plenty of additional problems, and can't expect HIM to fix the mess alone.
It Isn't Pakistan's Fault that Afghans Support the Taliban
- Papa Ray
I AGREE!
http://westhawk.blogspot.com/
The irony is that now that the U.S. Congress has given its implicit approval to these techniques by the NSA, the usefulness of these methods is likely plummeting fast.
Learning from bitter experience, surviving Al Qaeda members are now very likely tossing away their phones and computers. Omar at Iraq the Model reports on how some insurgents there have abandoned electronic communications for these reasons. It is bad news for the U.S. that this source of intelligence will dry up.
However, anti-terrorist forces can console themselves with the knowledge that while they use mostly 21st century communications techniques, their enemy has to revert to the 18th century to try to stay in touch.
National Intelligence director Negroponte is another winner from the Senate's strong endorsement of General Hayden.
Habu: check this out:
Mr. Negroponte's former deputy now runs the CIA. We have asserted for some time that the Bush administration aims to reform the national intelligence community by very gradually shutting down the disfunctional and unreformable CIA by transferring its best people and its duties to other places in the intelligence empire.
Messrs. Bush and Negroponte now have their man in at the CIA to carry out this plan. Wittingly or not, the Senate has given its implicit endorsement to this program, too.
You'll like this, Habu, at Winds of Change:
Actually, some of us think there wasn't enough of a price paid for the endless apologetics and justifications offered for the USSR, China, the Khmer Rouge, et. al. as they murdered about 100 million people during the 20th century.
Many of the people who shilled for such monsters then are still at it
- as M. Simon notes,
"same shill, different monsters." The fact that they have not been driven from public life like their Neo-nazi counterparts is, in my opinion, part of the reason for our current problem.
But, as Norm says... a beginning.
And it starts, as it always must, with first principles and moral clarity.
I would hope so.
Maybe you could inform them at least as much as is prudent?
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