Tuesday, May 23, 2006

Restarting the Clock of History

A reader sends a link to the Wall Street Journal article Days of Rage which describes the rough ride of Joe Lieberman and John McCain.

Two events last Friday speak volumes about the direction of modern liberal politics, and it's not an encouraging trend, especially if you're a Democrat who wants to take back the White House. The first is that antiwar candidate Ned Lamont captured a third of the delegates at Connecticut's Democratic Party convention, thus winning the right to challenge Senator Joe Lieberman in an August primary. The second is the nasty treatment of Senator John McCain by faculty and students during his commencement address at the New School in New York.  ...

Mr. McCain was invited to the New School by its president, former Democratic Senator and Congressional Medal of Honor winner Robert Kerrey. When Mr. Kerrey spoke, he was also heckled, with someone shouting, "You're a war criminal!" It'd be comforting to dismiss all this as mere Manhattan derangement, but these passions have become common in liberal media and Web precincts and are spilling into national politics. ...

Take Connecticut, where the left is targeting Mr. Lieberman for political extinction because of his pro-war views. Their vehicle is Mr. Lamont, a rich Greenwich businessman who decided to run after the Senator wrote an op-ed piece in The Wall Street Journal supporting U.S. policy in Iraq. Mr. Lamont ... needed 15% of the delegates to get a place on the primary ballot, but in the event rolled up 33%. That's a remarkable showing against a three-term incumbent who as recently as 2000 was on the party's national ticket and ran for President in 2004. "They are saying this war was a mistake and bring the troops home," Mr. Lamont declared. Mr. Lieberman will still be favored to win the primary, but angry-left activists around the country will now descend on the state and the fight may well turn vicious.

The treatment given Lieberman and McCain raises the question of whether it is possible to build a consensus policy on the war against terror. Is there any political figure willing to fight terrorism in a minimally effective way who will not be targeted and vilified by a substantial percentage of one of America's major political parties -- and perhaps by its press and "intelligentsia"? That is probably what Hillary Clinton is trying to figure out.

One unintended effect of the September 11 attacks is that it put a defining question to different modes of American political consciousness. Until then it was possible to treat many ideologies respectable since the 1960s as harmless forms of iconoclasm, posing "provocative" but fundamentally hypothetical views. But when attacks on the US homeland made it categorically necessary to answer the question: 'are you willing to fight our assailants', many sincere ideologues paused, shook their heads and said: 'No. In fact I am morally obligated to help our assailants'. When Noam Chomsky went out of his way to support Hezbollah it wasn't inexplicable, it was logical. His long articulated hypotheticals have simply become actuals.

 

The murky concept of sedition, with which freedom of speech must uneasily coexist, is founded on the notion of a threat. Radical Marxist thought derives protection from its status as a defeated mode of political action. The Cold War was fought against armed Marxism on every continent and clime for half a century. But when the Cold War was over, or in places where Radical Marxists did not actually take up arms they were allowed to keep their narratives and tolerated, as the Muslim Ottoman Empire once countenanced Jews and Christians for as long as they posed no threat. No physical threat. But although Marxism was defeated by the largely economic process of Globalization it flourished -- even dominated -- in the cultural institutions of the West at a time when Islamism was triumphing over secularism in the Middle East. From the Marxist perspective at least, the Cold War ended not in defeat, but in a negotiated armistice; with surrender on the economic front offset by a capitulation to it by the West on cultural matters. People might have to work in private companies, it's true, but all the accompanying baggage of traditional culture like religion, sexual mores, notions of objectivity, etc were forfeit; and that was more than compensation. That was the tacit 'deal' and the EU, UN and cultural institutions were going to carry it out. By slow degrees the Western world was going to be politically corrected, multiculturalized and transnationalized. "Imagine there's no countries/It isn't hard to do". And as the 1990s drew to a close it didn't seem all that far away.

September 10, 2001 was the last day on which which hypothetically incompatible modes of thought could coexist in a kind of "don't ask, don't tell" environment. When the planes smashing into the Twin Towers forced everyone to nail their colors to the mast Marxists no less than the conservatives indignantly found themselves facing an unanticipated rebellion. Liberal rage over Bush -- and maybe Lieberman and McCain -- for behaving "illegitimately" and "turning back the clock" is incomprehensible until one realizes that from a certain perspective it represents a double-cross. The West was supposed to die; slowly and comfortably but ineluctably.  And we were supposed to buy off the Islamists until we could finish the job ourselves. Bush declaring his intention to fight for the survival of the West was just as logical as Chomsky's pilgrimage to Hezbollah and just as infuriating to his enemies.

 

Until September 11 it was possible for the more "enlightened" segments of society to regard patriotism, religion and similar sentiments with the kind of amused tolerance that one might reserve for simpletons. Nothing that a little institutionalization and spare change couldn't straighten out. The problem for the Democratic Party is that the Great Polite Silence is over. People like Chomsky and President Bush have stopped being hypothetical and become all too real. Bring it on.

BTW

Just Citizens says it received this email from Army spokesman John Boyce regarding the case of the "Ranger" featured on Socialist Alternatives:

“Initial research by the U.S. Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg shows no Soldier with the name of Jesse Macbeth having ever been assigned to the Special Forces or the Army Rangers -- which are, in fact, two separate disciplines. This appears to be some sort of hoax. No Soldier by that name at Fort Lewis to our knowledge, in the past, either. Of course, the line about "go into the Army or go to jail" is vintage TV script not heard since the 1960s. There are also numerous wear and appearance issues with the Soldier's uniform -- a mix of foreign uniforms with the sleeves rolled up like a Marine and a badly floppy tan beret worn like a pastry chef. Of course, the allegations of war crimes are vague, as are the awards the Soldier allegedly received.”

Like a pastry chef. What has Boyce got against pastry chefs?

199 Comments:

Blogger Joshua said...

"Imagine there's no heaven. It isn't hard to do."

Not to nitpick, but you're conflating two different verses from John Lennon's "Imagine". The first verse is "Imagine there's no heaven/It's easy if you try." The second verse, which is probably the most apropos one in the context, is "Imagine there's no countries/It isn't hard to do."

5/23/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

Joshua,

Corrected as per your 2:14 PM

5/23/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger skipsailing said...

Oh jeeze, joshua, the point was clearly made and yes, you are nitpicking.

I read the reports about Mc Cain and Rice and came away with a slightly different impression.

My opinion is that the "intelligensia" such as it is is to be found in the American Academy.

It was the proffesors who lead the protests.

I've know a few of these guys and they are die hard communists. They really bought the whole marxist agenda and cannot get past it.

Plus they live and breathe in an echo chamber that supports thier particular point of view while working hard to stifle others.

But as usual, this posting by our gracious host is thought provoking.

We are in a struggle here. There are those of us who really believe that America is worth fighting for. There are those who don't.

but I believe that the vast majority of the anti war bigots really don't know a damned thing about the consequences of a failure to respond. These people wouldn't say that America isn't worth fighting for, its just that, well, the Islamists aren't sufficiently threatening.

Is this a defining moment for all of us? Must we chose sides? It seems so.

War is a very polarizing activity.

5/23/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

The Sedition Act of 1918 was never found to be unconstitutional (it was repealed in 1921). The current cycle in the GWoT will probably end in 2008. The next cycle will begin after another 9/11 class attack happens on US soil. It's ridiculous that our military tactics abroad against islamic fascists should be constrained by concerns about sedition inside the United States. When the next GWoT cycle begins, it maybe wise to reintroduce legislation like the Sedition Act of 1918.

5/23/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

I think one of the difficulties in dealing with "the Left" is that it is hard to take them seriously - they don't act that way.

One of the local radio stations likes to play a segment where a leader at an antiwar rally says "We are against this war Mr. Bush. Shame on you!"

Shame on you? That is the best they can come up with? Americans are fighting and dieing - magnificantly - to not only "perserve the blessings of liberty" but to - incredibly - extend them to other lands and the response is "Shame on you"?

Senator McCain and the SecState speak about this at college graduations - and the best the opposition can come up with is to literallty turn their backs?

To put things in historical context:

Horatio is on the bridge - but an old lady wants him to move so she can vaccuum.

The Japanese attack force is picked up on radar inbound to Pearl Harbor - and the suggested approach is to have Air Traffic Control deny them clearance.

The Marines are raising the flag on Iwo Jima - but red, white, and blue is "out" this year on the fashion runways of Paris.

We have met the enemy and he is ridiculous.

5/23/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Vincente-McCain's Optimistic Dream for the Future of the American (anglo) Worker

5/23/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I guess the one guy might be Afro:
Works all the better!

5/23/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger skipsailing said...

I wonder if the tactic isn't exactly as rwe describes it. A sort of punctuated equilibrium wherein we suffer an attack, respond with force, get pulled back by the internal opposition to our use of force and the await the next attack.

No patient enemy has to sustain an attack against us, they just need to strike often enough to damage us and let the internal strife do the rest.

If OBL and the ruler junta in Iran can survive the Bush presidency, things might look a bit rosier for them in '09.

I just wonder.

5/23/2006 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

The American Left has been remarkably successful in vaporizing the America of the 1950's. Can anyone old enough to remember imagine any of the three majors with a new "Firestone Theater"? The corroding effect has been spread across the planet and has had no small effect in scaring the mullahs into becoming jihadists. Do not underestimate their power to coerce and the limits to their ambition. Now I know the audience on this blog. We often ridicule and laugh at their audacity and outrage. I believe it is past that. The majority of Americans under 40 have no idea as the degree of the change and a majority of all ages simply does not see them as a threat. Their natural allies are within the idealistic young and they own academia. Their methodology has been the use of the courts. Our goal should be to ensure the election of conservative presidents. That will not happen if the immigration and amnesty bill is passed. The Democrats are lining up to walk the plank Port side. They never disappoint.

5/23/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Yon:
Army pleads for more troops after Afghanistan firefight

MILITARY commanders have demanded an extra 600 British troops for Afghanistan after a series of suicide bombings and a firefight against hundreds of Taliban.

Officers have also warned that unless restrictions are relaxed on when soldiers can open fire the Taliban may inflict major losses.

5/23/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Blogger Ted said...

For an anti-capitalist Chomsky has amassed himself a tidy mulimillion dollar next egg.

He's just an actor playing a part to keep the money rolling in. Would that his fans realized that.

5/23/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

2:44 PM 2164th,
Sang a Jackson Bros song to my wife, then stopped short when I recalled the Super Bowl Breast incident for the first time in a long time.
A wave of embarrassment for my country swept over me as I recalled the dumb-ass look on that dumb ass, having just done about the most graceless and stupid thing it was possible to do in front of the world's largest audience.
Including our families.
...I still recall also the outrage at the preachers after 9-11 that said maybe all that had something to do with it.

5/23/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger Dave H said...

I really don't see a lot to object to after reading eggplants link. The thing is, even if this law was still in force, the left would object that we are not at war. They do not think that a "war" is legitimate against a bunch of terrorists, so they try to deny the legality of all sorts of things. A modern sedition act could be formulated, but the language in the one repealed in 1921 was not that bad.
I think a formal declaration of war should be enacted against a whole list of countrieswho harbor terrorists.
What exactly is the legal meaning of "a state of war"? Surely it would then be up to the executive branch in the person of the commander in chief of the armed forces to prosecute the war as he saw fit. No?

The whole thing reinforces the importance of the elections this year, opposition in some primaries is going to be needed but it is very late. We have too many RINOS in the Republican party who are of no use at all.

5/23/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

And Bush is raising money for Chaffee against a Conservative.
AGAIN!

5/23/2006 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger Pastorius said...

Wretchard,
You perfectly articulated what happened to me on September 11th. My family hails from Europe, and I am an artist who has worked in Entertainment and Media most of my life.

Consequently, I have always had friends and family who were anti-American. To me this seemed natural and appropriate. I agreed that America needed chastisement for its myriad sins. I thought this would help bring about a better America on the ashes of the old racist, war-mongering America.

But, on 9/11, I realized that these people didn't want to philosophically destroy America, in order to bring about a better America. No, instead, they REALLY wanted to destroy America.

That was a real shock to me.

My wife is a first-generation immigrant, actually, from your part of the world. Her family grew up Christian on the island of Mindanao, and you know what that means. Suffice it to say, they had to leave, and luckily her mother had been born in Hawaii.

On 9/11, my wife said the following words to me,

"If they destroy America, people in the Phillipines, and other third-world nations, will have nothing to hope for."

That broke my heart.

We need to make sure America sticks around. Wasn't it Lincoln who said, America is the last, best hope of mankind.

5/23/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

This gives you what you asked for, dave h. That it is rather under utilized as well as misunderstood can be laid at but one man's doorstep...

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons. ..."


Senator Biden, who says he wrote the Resolution, has stated it is a Declaration of War.
He should be taken at his word.

S. J. RES. 23
JOINT RESOLUTION
September 14, 2001

"USE OF FORCE" RESOLUTION

5/23/2006 03:19:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The UNwar stops here.

5/23/2006 03:49:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

After coming to an understanding of the President's Authority granted in Resolution 23 this piece becomes all the more interesting.

Mr Dan Darling writes in the Weekly Standard. He quotes from the famous 9-11 Commision report, connecting dots that put Iran well within the scope of Reolution 23.

Or so it could seem.
It is an interesting read,"Eyes Wide Open"
There are still open questions about Iran's relationship with al Qaeda.

5/23/2006 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

A Stopped war may not be correct twice a day.
But it is ALWAYS politically correct.

5/23/2006 03:51:00 PM  
Blogger sirius_sir said...

Is there any political figure willing to fight terrorism in a minimally effective way who will not be targeted and vilified by a substantial percentage of one of America's major political parties -- and perhaps by its press and "intelligentsia"?

Does Kofi Annan count? Is it possible the head of the UN might actually show the way?

I refer to this post by Norm Geras in which he quotes from a story by Nat Hentoff concerning the genocide in Darfur:

Ignored during all the coverage of the May peace agreement between Khartoum and some of the Darfur rebels was a stunning statement by U.N. secretary-general Kofi Annan to Jim Lehrer on his May 4 PBS program.

Annan's guilt at his silence when he could have stopped the genocide in Rwanda appears to have intensified as he watched the U.N. Security Council do nothing meaningful to stop the genocide in Darfur for these three years and instead engage in crafting empty proposals that amounted to a minuet of death.

This genocide in Darfur, Jim Lehrer said to Annan, "has been well known and reported all over the world. Why has it taken so long to stop this?"

Annan answered: "You can imagine my anguish as a human being and as an African - an African secretary-general - to see us going through this after what we went through in Rwanda. It's very painful and difficult to take."

[snip]

Annan went on to declare what may well be his most vital legacy - if his successor agrees and will at least create worldwide opinion against members of the U.N. Security Council who keep feeding the flames of genocide by not allowing the U.N. to act.

"This is the built-in delay in the way we operate," said Annan. "And this is why when member states deem that it is extremely urgent to move quickly, they've tended to put together a coalition of the willing, a multinational force, outside the U.N. so that they can move quickly."


Hmmm... a coalition of the willing... to, as Hentoff says, "bypass the United Nations and thereby save hundreds of thousands of lives..."

Now there's a concept.

5/23/2006 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

McCain a Thoroughbred No Longer

John Kerry's Encore

Al Gore: The Comeback Kid - John Heilemann, New York Magazine

Bordering on Fraud, by Thomas Sowell
The immigration bill before Congress has some of the most serious consequences for the future of this country.
Yet it is not being discussed seriously by most politicians or most of the media. Instead, it is being discussed in a series of glib talking points that insult our intelligence.

5/23/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

The Radical Marxist narrative is straightforward. The West is guilty of enslaving the black man; starting both world wars; of impoverishing the Third World; of imperialism; of destroying the planet. What part of that is hard to understand?

Once these premises are accepted and they are unquestioningly accepted by many persons, then Chomsky's avowal of the enemy is simply the logical consequence. QED. September 11 is simply challenging those with these convictions to have the guts to act according to their convictions. The difficulty facing the Democrats is that these ideas actually inhabit a "legitimate" part of their ideological spectrum.

Of course it's possible that these ideas, promoted as they are by the worst death-cult in the history of the world, are actually wrong. But that's another story. But intellectually one sees the difficulty.

5/23/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"But, on 9/11, I realized that these people didn't want to philosophically destroy America, in order to bring about a better America.
No, instead, they REALLY wanted to destroy America.
"

5/23/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The GOOD thing about having Algore as a Google Director:
If a Chicom wanted to give money to GWB like they did Algore,
they wouldn't be able to find Bush on Google.

5/23/2006 04:57:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Vote Getter
(gop base)

5/23/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger rich said...

Wretchard,

Thanks for another excellent post.

The left and the mullahs deserve each other. As long as they don't bring the rest of us down.

They will only wake up when the Mullahs attempt to grab a country where there is significant left wing presence.

Then they will taste war or dhimmitude.

Then they will see the fruits of "carteritis"

(carteritis, the inability to see the choice presented by Islamic expansion which is convert, be a second class citizen or die. Carteritis is named after a former president who, with the best of intentions, gave Iran to the Mullahs because of his inability to understand the consequences of his act.)

5/23/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"No, instead, he REALLY wanted to destroy America"
The way we know it.
One sick puppy.

5/23/2006 05:04:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Many attributions of the "Good Intentions" of the left are misplaced, to put it mildly.

5/23/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Anyone who hung out among the New Left, which is now the mainstream left, KNOWS that to be true.
Ask Dave Horowitz.

5/23/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

McCain and 'the Constitution'

5/23/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger Voltimand said...

W. said:

>"The Radical Marxist narrative is straightforward. The West is guilty of enslaving the black man; starting both world wars; of impoverishing the Third World; of imperialism; of destroying the planet. What part of that is hard to understand?

Once these premises are accepted and they are unquestioningly accepted by many persons, then Chomsky's avowal of the enemy is simply the logical consequence. QED."

Absolutely to the point. The above are the standard "causes" for which liberalism rages and foams at the mouth. Do they really believe in them? Do they actually care what happened to "black man" or "imperialistic" capitalism?

Nothing in my experience of these people in the last quarter of a century in academe convinces me that they do.

Oh, W. is correct, all right: what they have "on" America is that it is successful, wealthy, and filled with "inequality." And these are evils which they cannot forgive.

My point is simply this: we are facing a critical mass of individuals who are all alike in this: they are filled with rage and they need scapegoats. Anger is one of the most displaceable of emotions: first you're angry, then you look for something to justify the anger.

German philosopher Max Scheler's little book on "ressentiment" had these people dead to rights. "Resentment" is what one feels temporarily for a situation that seems to put oneself down. But "ressentiment" (Nietsche's appropriation of the French word b/c German--unaccountably--doesen't seem to have a word for this sort of thing--is a way of life. Ressentiment is forever, and the world is one big hell of things to be enraged at.

What the jihadists have done on a world stage in front of everyone on the planet is "outed" western liberals. They have shown that these latter simply cannot help themselves and prevent themselves from siding with the 9/1l suicide bombers. That is because in their souls they are brothers.

How muslim culture did this to the jihadists (or maybe there is no difference b/t mustlim culture and jihad), and how that differs from liberal ressentiment is to my mind irrelevant.

What is relevant is that both groups of people--whatever ideological coloring they give it--are devoted to self-destruction and are determined to bring the rest of the world with them.

W. starts out with the American Democratic Party. If the American Democratic Party is or becomes the "Party of Ressentiment" then it becomes the party of people who, like the jihadists, are one way or another going to have to be put out of the way of the west's survival.

W. speaks of their irrationality. I see it as an irrationality devoted to its own demise just as surely as suicidal terrorists are devoted their own.

5/23/2006 05:27:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Hoped For Future of the GOP

Unfortunately for Strickland, Blackwell is a black man who is outspoken in support of school choice and traditional family values--issues that speak powerfully to a large number of African American voters.

These issues, especially coming from a black candidate, will cause an unusual number to vote Republican and keep many Democrats at home.
The play of race in this election will transform a toss-up into almost certain victory for Blackwell.
BLACK OPINION
The African American community is not as homogeneous or as liberal as the voting record might suggest. Historical ties and the legacy of the Civil Rights battles in both Parties of course play a huge role, but black voters are relatively conservative on many issues, and becoming more so.

5/23/2006 05:30:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

I'm always amazed when someone can sum up a problem in few words...

Mark Steyn - "A present tense culture amuses itself to extinction"

5/23/2006 05:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

And a 13th Century Culture Forbids Amusement
Iran Shuts Down Newspaper Over Cartoon
The government today closed one of its biggest newspapers for publishing a cartoon that mocked Iran's Azeri minority and led to ethnic protests in several cities, including this one in Tabriz.

5/23/2006 05:56:00 PM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

Voltimand,

W said...The above are the standard "causes" for which liberalism rages and foams at the mouth. Do they really believe in them? Do they actually care what happened to "black man" or "imperialistic" capitalism?

Of course they don't believe it. They just use it as a tactic to make you feel guilty so that they can exert power over you.

Similarly, priests use sex, Imams use Allah's retribution, Greens use whales (polar bears, if you want to be fashionable).

Mental bully-boys, their lack of real muscle was exposed by 9/11.

ADE

5/23/2006 05:57:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

Voltimand,

"I see it as an irrationality devoted to its own demise just as surely as suicidal terrorists are devoted their own."

Civilizational suicide is rational given the premises of the radical left. Yet individual leftists may delude themselves into thinking they will not share the fate of the society they destroy. They will.

When Chomsky looks out at the Charles River and Memorial Drive his heart may say "surely this will survive". Or he might think "I'm an atheistic, leftist, pro-Muslim Jew"; they won't kill me. But the only part of that descriptor which matters as they lead him to the slaughterhouse is "Jew". What do you call "an atheistic, leftist, pro-Muslim Jew"? A Jew. And deep down, I think, he suspects that, before dismissing it. That's the only irrational part.

5/23/2006 06:01:00 PM  
Blogger MD said...

I think Marxism runs deeper in the West than "intellectuals" in the academy. Nearly every socioeconomic "analysis" offered by journalists, pundits, or experts is essentially Marxist in orientation: that is, society and its inequities "causes" everything we don't like. George Bush offered heaps of this kind of commentary in his first Inaugaral, and since that time.

The next time your local columnist says that poverty "creates" Muslim terrorists, he is utilizing a Marxist analysis, although he probably doesn't know the derivation of his own ideas.

Wretchard cites the standard catechism of the Left, but the underlying analysis to that catechism is that the West is compelled, by economics and social structure, to commit its sins; it simply can't help itself. Therefore, the West cannot be reformed; it must be revolutionized, beginning with thorough destruction. Thus, the Marxist creed includes a large dose of pure nihilism, destruction for destruction's sake. To their minds, anything destroyed in the West is a net gain, and reveals a promising trend.

There are pleny of Marxist sites on the web, usually well written and intelligent. None of this is a secret. They are quite open about it.

5/23/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Very well said, MD.
I'm surprised they are still intelligent and well written, given the inanity of the vocal left.
The New Left Leaders of the 60's were often brilliant, and sometimes funny.
A far cry from today's M Moore Crowd.
---
High Fever - Burning Headache

5/23/2006 06:20:00 PM  
Blogger gmat said...

I hate to piss on the campfire, especially when everybody's feeling so warm and fuzzy ("uh-huh", "amen, bro", "fuckin-A well said, bubba", etc.), but it's not "The Left", or "The Marxists", or even the much despised "MSM", no matter what Horowitz might say to the contrary, that's getting in the way of efficiently dealing with whatever (meager) threat to US security is posed by radical Islamism.

It's just the inability of the Executive to sell his war to the political opposition, and keep it sold; and Sharon will tell you that is absolutely job #1 for the Executive in a democracy that wants to fight a war. And anybody has a big problem with that, well, go ply your trade in Zimbabwe, it's easier there (of course, the accountability, if you fuck up, can be a bit harsher than losing an election and hitting the $25,000/night rubber chicken circuit.)

This stuff here is just more of the old "Stabbed in the Back" Myth. And I know, it feels good, rubbing that place. But wouldn't it be more useful to just ignore the relatively few marxist liberal commie elite university comsymp islamism apologists, and focus on where the problem is?

I saw Jim Gilmore tonight, and he just said it in a few simple words. People used to think George was a straight shooter. Now they don't. Like 65-70% don't. You think they're all commies?

5/23/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

"It's just the inability of the Executive to sell his war to the political opposition, and keep it sold" - gmat

Have you noticed what the discussion is about? I believe the discussion is of the Marxist roots in nihilism, the possibility that the Marxist doctrine is still in play.

Now, if you have a suggestion to forward to the President that will bring along an opposition, rooted in proving failure to take power, without destroying a 2 party system and still keep the nation running I imagine he would like the help.

Workable suggestions welcome...

5/23/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger David_Levine said...

This might be too obscure but here goes:

I just finished reading the “The Fall of Rome” by Bryan Ward-Perkins. It is an excellent little book that just came out that is a refutation of the revisionist view of the fall of Rome that has come to be called “Late Antiquity” that posits a friendly transition from empire to barbarian rule. Reviews here and here. Ward reminds us of the very real collapse that the fall of Rome was and the real pain and horror and decline that it represented.

Reading this account of both the fall of Rome to the barbarians and the decline of a very sophisticated, complex civilization, along with the Ward-Perkins refutation of the attempt to gloss over the true horror of the collapse in the West and the real pain, suffering and trauma that it created, one can’t help but see certain similarities with today…

One point of the book is that is that the obsession of “Late Antique” scholars on obscure, isolated religious ascetics, which is even stranger when many of the scholars are secular themselves. Ward-Perkins doesn’t say this but as we know secularism is a religion itself; humans are inherently religious and Christianity and Judaism have simply been replaced by secularism and environmentalism as today’s religion of choice, of which post-modernism, relativism, etc, are manifestations of this death of God.

One of the arguments that the author makes is that people see the history through today’s eyes and the fact that academia is today leftish and post-modern, especially, post-colonial, means that “civilization” is a bad word and relativism is the name of the game. Ward-Perkins counsels against that but his best line is probably his last:


“My worries about the new Late Antiquity, however, go deeper than a concern that it is so restricted by its religious focus as to be deceptively wrong. I also think there is a real danger for the present day in a vision of the past that explicitly sets out to eliminate all crisis and all decline. The end of the Roman West witnessed horrors and dislocation of a kind I sincerely hope never to have to live through; and it destroyed a complex civilization, throwing the inhabitants of the West back to a standard of living typical of prehistoric times. Romans before the fall were as certain as today that their world would continue for ever substantially unchanged. They were wrong. We would be wise not to repeat their complacency.” P.183

I think those people in the post “Restarting the Clock of History,” and in the WSJ editorial you quote from, i.e. those heckling McCain and attacking Lieberman, are no different than those Romans, complacent in the everlasting nature of their civilization, yet ignorant (purposely or not) of the true threat facing their civilization, and also how fragile that civilization was. In the same vein, these post-modern scholars of “Late Antiquity” seeking to excise the words “collapse, “decline,” “fall,” etc, from the end of the Roman civilization with the fall of the empire, and posit a rosy “Late Antiquity” of Romano-German transition, also make the same mistake, and try to rewrite the past in order to make sense of where their current ideology and path are taking them, i.e., the fact that their “hypotheticals” have become far “too real” and since Western civilization was supposed to decline, better to take solace in 7th century religious mystics who withdrew from society and spent solitary nights immersed in the North Sea praising God. These academics might be secularists but they can certainly identify with an ascetic who is ultimately not that different from the certainties of secular religion.

5/23/2006 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

The "you did not defend your position adequately" response is standard fare in DC when people have made up their mind to disagree with you anyway, no matter what you say. It is especially used when they later find out that you were right - and rather than taking the blame say it was all your fault, anyway, for not convincing the unconvinceable.

As for the fake Ranger - perhaps there is no legal basis for the US Govt to go after the guy - despite the fact that his statements rate higher than the latest Osama tape or Saddam diatribe relative to attacking the U.S. BUT isn't there a US Army Association or Ranger Association or Special Forces association that can take the guy to court, embarrass him publically, and leave him a permanent pauper, from legal bills if not actual damages?

I learned in DC that the 3 little words that make the word go around are "Make It Hurt."

5/23/2006 06:59:00 PM  
Blogger gmat said...

Glad to, thanks.

He (and you) can get off to a good start by forgetting any idea that suggests his political opposition has anything to do with Marxism. The President's political opposition consists of career pols in the Democratic party, who, like the career pols in his own party, are owned outright by their corporate contributors.

So that gives him plenty of common ground to work from, and not the absurd (though admittedly appealing in a childlike way) white knight vs. the forces of darkness dichotomy.

If he can get his head around that, he can get back to me for step 2.

5/23/2006 06:59:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

gmat,

You might be reading my mind, but I don't think so...

I was talking about the discussion, not what I believed in. But, thanks for the tip...

5/23/2006 07:04:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"that's getting in the way of efficiently dealing with whatever (meager) threat to US security is posed by radical Islamism."

5/23/2006 07:06:00 PM  
Blogger Cedarford said...

Bush declaring his intention to fight for the survival of the West

I kind of disagree with that one on several counts, Wretchard.

A. The impact of 9/11 was not as profound as some thought. It affected America...but elsewhere, in countries where cities lost 100,000 people in one day or 1 to 6 million people a year to enemy on THEIR own soil....2800 so far one-time deaths on one day does not translate out into The Day That Changed the World Forever and Launched the Justified Neocon American Imperium.

B. It isn't treated as a real war. It is a thing that should be done only if most are not called to sacrifice and only so far as the tax cuts for the wealthy are not endangered. The burden is only on the volunteer military and the debt our children will pay.

C. It is being fought in an exceptionally ill-defined way where the USA has not dared name the enemy for 4 years, ignored all aspects of the war other than military force (strategic communications are difficult if you pronounce your war is not on any people but on the tactic of terrorism).

D. The War for the survival of the West is hopelessly off drift from failure of Bush and other leaders (possible excepting Blair and Howard) to articulate goals and strategy. In diplomacy and consensus building, both domestically and overseas, Bush in particular has been hopelessly maladroit.

E. And we need to put the war in proper priority...It's not the single highest overriding priority where nothing else tearing the world apart or threatening America's future matters as the US appears to have made it, but certainly more than the Euros with their "in our spare time, if we feel like it" philosophy have. China is Rising and building it's military into a great force, globalization is killing the middle classes in all but Europe and Asia, America has doubled it's foreign debt and can no longer compete in most global manufacturing industries. An energy crisis is back on us after 30 years of neglect after the 1st one, incipent SS and medicare crisis loom. [All slightly more important to the average American than Americans dying so that noble Iraqis unwilling to free their own nation have freedom]

F. In the midst of all that, Bush and the Elites are complicit in allowing a mass invasion of illegals into our country. How can we pretend that we are serious about security even in America after the failures of Katrina and the immigration crisis showed how little the Bushies care about security if it gets in the way of the Top 1% Ownership Society owning more??

5/23/2006 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger Alexis said...

I largely agree with you, Wretchard, but I would add a major caveat. Just as the old continent of Laurentia is not quite the same as North America, old Marxism isn't quite the same as modern defeatism.

The result of September 11 was a shock to both the Left
and the Right. On the Left, you have the "paleo-Marxists"
who ferociously oppose al-Qa'eda because they exemplify the worst aspects of both feudalism and corporations (and al-Qa'eda is the worst kind of multinational corporation...), who remember how Karl Marx ardently supported the Union during the Civil War, and feel deeply and horribly betrayed by most of the Left (and feel angry at the Left in a way only apostates can). Likewise, a similar chasm has developed on the Right, where the neo-Isolationist (and often pro-Saudi and neo-Lindberghist) appeasers from the "American Conservative" and the "American Free Press" feel betrayed by President Bush's aggressive response to the September 11 attacks.

Now, even more fractures are deepening. Most conservatives feel betrayed that President Bush could even consider giving over our ports to the effective control of the Emir of Dubai. And immigration is likely to fragment the Right even further. Poor (and often rural) conservatives feel doubly under attack -- corporations want to replace them with foreign workers and leftists want to replace them with foreign voters. The immigration issue has cast President Bush as a weak president who is flatly unwilling to enforce existing immigration laws.

Right now, the Democrats would sweep into power if only they could just keep their mouths shut. The problem we face is that the Far Left (and some on the Far Right) seeks to replay the Spanish Civil War on American soil. It is often forgotten that the principal reason why the Right rose up in Spain had little to do with an inherent opposition to democracy. Instead, the triumph of the Left in the 1936 elections had transformed into a reign of terror against the Right. It is not for nothing that Noam Chomsky would look upon the anarchist terror in Republican Spain as a beacon of hope for humanity.

5/23/2006 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Sowell points out the pathetic:
---
"Putting unarmed national guardsmen on the border is another cosmetic move, a placebo instead of real medicine.

The excuse is that it is not possible to train more than 1,500 border patrol agents a year.

Meanwhile, we have trained well over 200,000 Iraqi security forces while guerilla warfare raged around them.
"
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Cuts are made in Military Programs and at the Border and ICE remains pitifully small, while domestic spending veers further out of control.
It's an insult to be expected to take this as a serious effort.

5/23/2006 08:23:00 PM  
Blogger Das said...

Trying to argue with the left is like trying to reason with a blast furnace.

The left holds no values, hierarchies, conditions or experiences as sacred. You're black, female, grew up poor in a South of "Colored Only" signs, of klan-murdered schoolfriends - naturally the left would embrace you? Wrong. They turn their back on you.

Then you realize, for the left, it is not about the poor, the black, the oppressed female; the left is about power. That Condi Rice possesses power that those leftists students do not, was unbearable to them. They needed to maintain the purity of their self righteousness facing the real amalgam of Condi (with her very real power).

5/23/2006 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Speaking of re-starting stuff, Thanks Wretchard: The problem for the Democratic Party is that the Great Polite Silence is over. People like Chomsky and President Bush have stopped being hypothetical and become all too real. Bring it on.

This is the Scary Bit - our Progressive brethren are declaring, for purely political reasons, that THERE IS NO THREAT, so we should all take a chill pill.

Remember back in the 90's? There was no real threat, except for Al Qaeda's declarations and act of war against us, y'know, blown up embassies, torpedoed warships ... except for stuff like that, no war was going on.

5/23/2006 08:40:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Tony,
You forget the REAL threat:
GLOBAL WARMING!
A chill pill is just what
Dr Bubba orders.
(on advice of chief advisor on macroclimatological research,
the Weather Wizard hisself:
Algore!)

5/23/2006 08:45:00 PM  
Blogger Voltimand said...

Not unaware that "marxism" as such is not at work with the kinds of liberals who make up the true believers of the democratic party. "Marxoid" conveys the notion that there are fundamental elements of the marxist template of reality-in-general that many liberals espouse who otherwise couldn't begin to get through the "theory of surplus value."

For me, the growing interest in sociological "statification theory" which its hegemonic desire to subsume all human social relation to a universal free-for-all fight for power and prestige is symptomatic of the evolution of "marxism" into someone sort of "general theory of everything."

My own modest invention is the term "envyism": the extrapolation of the definition of this one of the 7 deadlies ("whatever someone possesses that I do not has been taken from me and is owed me") as a principle of universal human history would, I think, apply here. Everyone envies everyone else, as in Hobbes' universal war of every man with every man which is envyism's ultimate historical origin.

Once you get into this psychological rut, it's almost impossible to get out, because any alternative view of human exchange falls afoul of discovery that the "equality of distribution of whatever it is you happen to desire" is always going to be impossible. Therefore the world is always askew, and the people with the greatest accumulation of objects of desire are going to be the most evil.

Now, you don't have to be a "marxist" to believe the above, but there is no marxist who doesn't believe it.

5/23/2006 08:58:00 PM  
Blogger Karridine said...

Imagine Jesus of Nazareth told the truth when He said, THREE TIMES, that the Holy One 'like unto the Son of Man' would come at the time that:
1)the Abomination of Desolation prophecy ran out, 1844;
2)the Gospel was taken out to every nation; 1844, and
3)the Times of the Gentiles was fulfilled, and the diaspora ended, with -say- the signing of the Edict of Toleration, March 21st, 1844.

Wouldn't it have been near-miraculous for Jesus to have gotten it right, 3 out of 3? But for that to happen, He would have had to MEAN what He SAID, and He would have been giving His life to bear witness to the truth of His words, which call every righteousness-loving human to the One Who came May 23, 1844.

He would have been authorized, by God, to start the Clock of History running on a New Era, radically different from the 7,000 recorded years of kingly rule and priests guarding the keys to reading, writing and math!

If Jesus WAS telling the truth, and the One Jesus promised DID come May 23, 1844, then our new clock marks today as the Year 163BE.

Hmmm....

5/23/2006 10:00:00 PM  
Blogger John Samford said...

Eggplant, Why Wait?
It wasn't the actual act that ended up with a bad odor, but the APL.

http://www.rit.edu/~cma8660/mirror/www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/11g.htm

The American Protective League made the SS look like old Ladies. They never did find all the bodies.
If the A&S act is re-established, there will need to be some sort of check on the more outragous acts.
What's odd by todays standards is that there was very little in the way of politics involved in the APL actions.
Nobody cared if you were a Democrat or a Republican, but a trace of german accent (or anything close) could get you lynched.

5/23/2006 10:14:00 PM  
Blogger John Samford said...

Skipsailing, this WoT won't go on forever. Iran will get their bomb. When it comes to stopping them PRESIDENT Bush is all hat and no cattle. Israel will pre-empt, IF THEY CAN. If they don't, they will have to counter strike. ither that or watch the jews that survive the Iranian strike hed off to the ovens again.
I expect Israel to go full bore when Iran nukes them. With 200+ Nukes, Israel can destroy ever Muslim capital city. With cruise mislle armed submarines, the IDF can hit anywhere in the world.
That's when we find out if the gloom and doomers are correct about the results of a medium sized nuclear exchange.
If that doesn't take the wind out of Islamic sails, there is always the Avian Flu. If that gets loose in the third world, you will be luky if 50% survive. IIRC, there is no natural immunity to that sort of vitus. So if you live thru the first one, you can get it agin and agin, until you die of it. Not sure if that is true or not. My mediacl knowledge doesn't go much beyond Asprins.

5/23/2006 10:25:00 PM  
Blogger Karridine said...

I asked the question not solely because today marks the anniversary of that Holy and Blessed event, but because His Coming, the recognition (at 2hours 11minutes after sunset) of Who He was, Who He IS, marks the POINT at which the New World begins.

Many here think this is the same old same-old, in which case we are ruled by a king (who? hunh?), 97% of all people are illiterate, and the 3% who can read and write are mostly in the kingly caste of nobility, and the ecclesiastics of the world.

Oh. Reality today moves faster than the Speed of Horse, which USED to be the defining speed for news, invasion, escape?

Then I'm forced, BY reality, to accept that the world of today IS responding to different dynamics, IS composed of different dynamics than those which governed the previous 7,000 years prior to May 23, 1844.

The telegraph paved the way for telephone, radio, TV internet computers cable laser...

So those of us, Gentle Readers, who want to know the moral and social guidelines for THIS Day, applicable to NOW, are well-guided to the Teachings of the Glory of God!

Pertinent, relevant, no priests, personal responsibility to God, equality of men & women, one-ness of humankind, abolition of racism, freedom of speech...

These and more were given to humans, by God, starting May 23, 1844!

5/23/2006 10:32:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

PAC run by Howard Dean's brother endorses Lamont:

Lieberman, a three-term senator who was the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000, is facing his first primary since joining the Senate in 1988. He's been criticized by many in his party, including Lamont, for being a strong advocate of the Iraq war and a supporter of some Republican Party policies.

Lieberman and Howard Dean, who were opponents in the 2004 presidential primaries, have exchanged barbs about the war. In December, Lieberman said Democrats who don't support Bush's war policies risk undermining the president's credibility.

Lamont Endorsement

5/23/2006 10:45:00 PM  
Blogger ledger said...

How many more "Jesse Macbeths" are out there?

Rewinding the tape. Wretchard brought up the possibility of state sponsored moles infiltrating the US in regards to CIA Leaker Mary McCarthy.

I initially dismissed it as being too far fetched. I am not so sure.

Jesse Macbeth is caught doing an impersonation of an US army Ranger and is exposed as a fake.

Now, some people over at Lgf note Jesse Macbeth changed his name from and Islamic name to an American name before going on his spear campaign against the US military.

Lgf poster Peter Verkooijen writes:

..."what it's worth, it appears that his name was changed, in 1986. To Jesse Adam Macbeth from...Jesse Adam Al-Zaid?!"

See: lgf post #80 by Peter Verkooijen

It would be nice to know more about Jesse Adam Al-Zaid a.k.a. Jessie Macbeth and his family and countries he has visited.

Now, I am beginning to wonder how many times this type of name change then "smear" the US military has occurred in D.C. ? If so, how far up in the chain to they go?

Could Wretchard be on to something?

And, why does this guy Jesse Adam Al-Zaid suddendly propagate this huge lie during exact time Iran is testing a new missile, plus the high level talks between the Administration and Israel (not mention Chomsky embracing Hizbullah, and the new OBL tape)?

Sure the confluence of events may be random. But, what if they are not random - but well planned? If so, are rich Islamic players pulling the strings behind these events?

Hopefully they are just random events - if not then we have something to worry about.

5/23/2006 11:42:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

How does one in the face of an implacable foe(s), Islam and Marxism, a very stange brew, make an argument to defend itself within the homeland?
The solipsistic nature of recent generations gives no hope. Their minds are corrupted and propagandized daily by PC middle schools,high schools,and universities.
Sedition Laws are not on the books.
Some Circuit Courts have lost all moral and legal precedent authority, the 9th in particular. We've been invaded by 10% of a foreign country and done nothing. Law and order have already broken down, replaced by a Kafkaesque PC.

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of PC and multiculturalism? Sorry T. Paine.
It is time for the 4AM visit by vigilantes drawn from the band of brothers to begin to administer the remedy to those who are clearly seditious, Marxist, and Islamic.

5/24/2006 05:26:00 AM  
Blogger charlotte said...

To answer his betters, Bush should pronounce to the American People (formatted to Cedarford's 7:53PM):


A. Hey, guys, 9-11 was not as profound as you thought. We need to put the crashing down of the Twin towers, attack on the Pentagon, attempted attack on Congress, the death of thousands, and the cost of billions into global perspective. More people die in tsunamis and earthquakes. Get a little perspective.

B. But since I (over)reacted after 9-11 and Launched the Justified Neocon American Imperium, I've been remiss by not treating it as a real war. Every American needs to be on a warfooting, and so I'm overturning my selfish tax cuts for the "wealthy", aka the middle classes, in order to slow the economy and make us really feel the pain. A stagnant economy will also help unburden our military- think what DoD can do with the extra tax revenues that don't materialize over time. And also how an unvigorous economy will help our children to pay our debt one day.

C. From the start, I should've dared name the enemy in our so-called WoT and Iraq: a billion Muslims and anti-Zionists, or all the Islamists and moderates who do not oppose the Islamists. Admittedly, I've ignored all aspects of the war other than military force; security and economic treaties, intel gathering and sharing, financial sanctions, infrastructure capitalization and cultural programs and more don't count in the least. Therefore, I am announcing the Launch of the Christian-Judeo Western Capitalist Crusades to convert those Muslims we can't kill due to lack of bombs (see B.) Look for the global elite and media to enjoin this effort real soon. Again, we are waging war against people and not a tactic. Did you think our troops were shooting at an abstract noun? Sorry for the confusion.

5/24/2006 06:34:00 AM  
Blogger charlotte said...

D. Let me reiterate, the War for the survival of the West (OK, I realize that I admitted 9-11 was only an excuse for my Zionist adventurism) is hopelessly off drift from (my) failure to articulate goals and strategy. I know, all of you just thought my wars were about removing some despotic regimes that were a danger to us, securing an oil-producing region, seeding a little democracy, helping to rebuild institutions and infrastructure and pit local opportunity versus terrorist export, flanking Iran and Syria, and having a presence in SW Asia. Wrong! It's all been about blood for oil, Halliburton and Zion. Yes, it's completely up to the grunts because I'm hopelessly maladroit in waging diplomacy and consensus building to help the war effort. Maybe I shouldv'e listened to the anti-Americans here and overseas and admitted that I'm just a dumb cowboy theocrat wanting to squirrel Euro biz interests with their dictator partners. Or maybe if I spoke better French, Chirac would have been charmed out of his opposition. Say la vee.

E. OK, so 9-11 wasn't The Day That Changed the World Forever, but I'm wrong not to make everybody sacrifice and the economy suffer for my neocon imperialistic wars, and certainly I haven't adequately sold them to the international tranzi pro-dictator crowd, but now I'm here to tell you that war is not the single highest overriding priority, after all, when so much else is tearing the world apart and threatening America's future. Have to level with you, the real enemy are a billion Chinese, so add that to the billion Muslims I named previously. And, since globalization is killing the middle classes and manufacturing in America, let's raise taxes, go isolationist and "protect" trade. Now that an energy crisis is back on us after 30 years of neglect, I need to readjust my focus from securing ME oil and pushing for domestic drilling, refining, nuclear, and alt fuels, as I've done, and just wave my magic wand.

Now that I think about it, we should say to hell with that unimportant/ important war in the ME, with those Iraqis unwilling to free their own nation and also with Iranian and other foreign threats, because we've got Social Security to reform, if we survive the next decade of terrorism. Note to Bin Laden: stop the international/ terrorist train until our Dems decide there's a serious problem with Social Security and quit obstructing my reform proposals.

F. I'm a little ashamed how I and the Elites are complicit in allowing a mass invasion of illegals into our country over the last several decades and want you to add hordes of Mexican invaders to the Enemies list of Muslims and Chicoms. I'm also going to work harder at providing security when it comes to hurricanes in dysfunctional corrupt localities that won't cooperate with the Feds- next natural disaster we'll just redeploy from Iraq (and the Mexican border), shoot the crooked bureaucrats and maybe federalize an entire state. Bushies, the Top 1% Ownership Society and Skull and Bones illuminati types normally can't be bothered to care about you little people and the working man in this country (except for illegals), because that would cut down on our holdings... somehow. Don't ask me to explain, it's just that we're country club cronies and capitalistic pigs and you're suckers and the downtrodden. But I'm a born-again Prez and now want to serve you according to your expert, constant and unremitting criticism of my policies and character.

5/24/2006 06:38:00 AM  
Blogger Promethea said...

voltimand (8:58 pm) . . .

You said: "My own modest invention is the term "envyism": the extrapolation of the definition of this one of the 7 deadlies ("whatever someone possesses that I do not has been taken from me and is owed me") as a principle of universal human history would, I think, apply here."

This has become my "theory of everything" as well. Maybe I'll pickup your word and spread it around. "Envyism."

It explains so much. Anti-Americanism,Anti-Israelism, hatred of Bush's successes and connections, etc. etc. I've begun to notice when I talk to LLLs (my entire social circle) how much of the discussion is devoted to bringing down someone or something successful. I could give many examples but that would take too much space.

Anyway, "envyism" works for me as a useful word. Thanks!

5/24/2006 06:41:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

According to Newsweek, it is not Marxists that constitute a real worry to the New World Order, but Populists.

"...May 29, 2006 issue - A populist rebellion against globalization is going global. This self-destructive form of economic nationalism started along the Caracas-Moscow axis, as Presidents Vladimir Putin of Russia and Hugo Chávez of Venezuela trumpeted the classic populist promise: to steer wealth from the rich and the foreign to the poor and the homegrown. Increasingly, though, the same politics of fear is taking hold outside of troubled and newly flush oil states. What French President Dominique de Villepin calls "economic patriotism" has become acceptable from Tokyo to Washington. Multibillion-dollar campaigns to guarantee jobs or incomes for those left behind by national booms are now taking hold in the biggest markets of Asia. ...

...The strongest bond among the new populists is a will to resist the global threat to local jobs. While slow job growth has long haunted Europe, the region's recent burst of populist energy traces to the European Union enlargement in 2004, which brought 10 largely postcommunist countries into the European fold and raised the specter of Poles "taking" jobs from Rome to Rotterdam. The surprise is that now in Asia, too, the egalitarian impulse is replacing fast growth as the top priority.

The Asian Development Bank warned this month of a looming "jobs crisis" in Asia, with export machines like China no longer producing jobs as fast as they once did. As in the West, rising global competition is pushing manufacturers to adopt technologies that boost productivity but reduce demand for workers. Twenty years ago in China, manufacturing employment rose 1 percent with every 3 percent rise in GDP; now it takes an 8 percent rise in GDP to produce the same gain in jobs. "The whole paradigm we saw in East Asia's newly industrialized economies no longer works," says Ifzal Ali, chief economist at the Asian Development Bank in Manila. "This is a major challenge to countries across the region." ..."


When those local jobs are lost to imported foreign workers, eventually the locals will mobilize against the job losses.
Even in the US.

In any case the story, The movement is spreading beyond its Latin roots, as leaders from Paris to Beijing respond to rising public worries about jobs and inequality.

5/24/2006 06:43:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

DR..
Like Newsweek knows what it's talking about ..

5/24/2006 06:59:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"over the last several decades "

If that were only true. While it is true that there has always been some cross border migrations, the levels of both the flow and the lack of a serious attempt to stem it, have all occurred in the past five years. That's been since 9/11, sorry that facts on the ground mar your little parody.
Fact of the matter, prior to 9/11 Mr Bush's major Fpreign Policy inititive was to negtitate a "new" border policy with Mexico in the desire to open the US to greater immigration. This Policy inititive was dropped from the Legislative agenda and then implemented regardless, illegally, presenting US with "assimilation" as the "only" practicle solution, now.

If I had wanted Democratic Policies, I'd have voted for Democrats. Education "reform", Campaign "reform" & now Border Policies.
If Mr Bush & company side with Mr Kennedy, Fiengold & Reid and not the Republicans in the House, may as well get folks that say what they mean, next election.

If JFKerry had been elected and behaved the way Mr Bush has, my expectations would have been fulfilled. The War on Terror would be unprosecuted, devolved into a Criminal chase & the US Borders would be open allowing unfettered migaration into the US.
For Mr Bush to behave in that manner, is & was, down right terrible.

5/24/2006 07:04:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Max Boot writes

Supporters of the war note that much of the violence in Iraq is confined to four of 18 provinces. True. But you can't ignore the continuing instability in the capital. Baghdad is much more important to Iraq than Washington is to the United States. With at least 6 million residents, it has a quarter of the country's population, and it is not only the political capital but the center of media, business and culture.

That's why anyone who cares about the future of Iraq should be alarmed by the postings of a pro-democracy Iraqi blogger named Alaa at messopotamian.blogspot.com. "The situation in Baghdad is deteriorating from day to day," he writes. "Very soon, if this situation continues like this, the city is going to be brought to a complete standstill and paralysis…. Whole sections of the city have virtually fallen to gangs and terrorists." ...

...The pacification of Tall Afar, a town of at least 150,000, required 3,800 American and 5,000 Iraqi soldiers. That's a ratio of one American per 40 civilians. In Baghdad, there are currently three American combat brigades, or about 8,600 troops. That's a ratio of one American per 698 civilians. No wonder the capital is so unsafe.

Even if you add in Iraqi security forces — about 9,000 Iraqi soldiers and 12,000 national police officers are deployed in Baghdad — there is still a woeful shortage of security. The problem is compounded by the fact that many of the uniformed Iraqis belong to political militias, criminal gangs or insurgent groups. Residents don't know whom to trust.

TO GAIN control of the situation, an American officer who has served in Baghdad suggested to me the need to deploy at least 35,000 U.S. troops (six brigade combat teams, plus support personnel), two Iraqi army divisions (20,000 men), and 30,000 competent Iraqi police officers. That would give you a total of 85,000 security personnel, or one per 71 inhabitants — still lower than the ratio in Tall Afar but much higher than it is today. ..."


Mr Boot says the US's primary concern is Force Protection, not the Security of Iraq.
He calls for more US troops & securing Baghdad.
To funny, now that Mr Maliki is in charge. We'll see how Mr al-Sadr's Mahdi Army fills out ISF uniforms, soon enough.

As that Sunni Parliment memeber said, after he and other Sunni walked out of the Parliment's session, due to the lack of a complete "Government" to vote upon.

"It's gonna get bloody"

5/24/2006 07:28:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

We are introduced by DR (6:43) to a Newsweek article regarding populism as a world wide risng force.
Having read the article it is warmed over Marxist proletariat versus bourgeoisie. Old wine, new bottle.

5/24/2006 07:31:00 AM  
Blogger Evan said...

From the Marxist perspective at least, the Cold War ended not in defeat, but in a negotiated armistice; with surrender on the economic front offset by a capitulation to it by the West on cultural matters. People might have to work in private companies, it's true, but all the accompanying baggage of traditional culture like religion, sexual mores, notions of objectivity, etc were forfeit; and that was more than compensation.

Not entirely fair. Whatever the faults of the old Marxist left, lack of belief in "objectivity" was not one of them. Indeed, Marxists were as deterministic as any End of History type nowadays.

What has changed the Left - and this has happened since the end of the 1960s turmoil - is its embrace of postmodernism and relativism. By abandoning any notion that the world and its cultures can be objectively described (except through the prism of reflexive anti-Americanism), it has opened the door to anything. Chesterton apparently never said it, but it's a good line anyway: those who believe in nothing will believe in anything.

It is this conquest of the Left by the Boas/Derrida crowd that has made their Faustian bargain with the jihad possible. What would Marx or Engels have thought of a Khomeini or a Bin Laden? They would've considered them relics of a bygone age soon to be subsumed by capitalism, not brave warriors against the American empire.

5/24/2006 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

As noted by Newsweek
" Caracas-Moscow axis "

That Havana Summitt, October '06, could really turn into something "big".

Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador & Russia.
Perhaps a "few" of the 'Stan's thrown in as well.
They'll all be there,
all the usual suspects.

5/24/2006 07:49:00 AM  
Blogger lumberjack said...

Regarding Jesse Macbeth, shouldn't he be judged by his peers, that is, other pretend veterans?
If comments on the war should only be made by veterans, shouldn't comments on pretend veterans only be made by those who have walked a mile in their shoes?
It's A Movement.

5/24/2006 07:56:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Marxist rhetoric combined with unfettered nuclear development and proliferation, aided & abetted by Moscow through proxies, as always.

What pleasent topics of discussion in the Palaces of the Havana beachfront.

There's a KGB Bear in the woodpile,
better believe it.

5/24/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Griswel said...

What will the Left do after the *next* attack? They were pro-American, or at least quiet, for many months after 9/11. Next time, I doubt it will last out the day.

By the way, Judges don't order people into the armed forces, but they do treat a defendant far more leniently when they find out he has enlisted (so do prosecutors, to some extent).

A) they don't want to interfere with the process (either because of the sentence preventing enlistment, or the level of conviction doing so), and B) there's nothing like 24/7 military life for focusing a man's attention.

5/24/2006 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger Jrod said...

A pox of pate-a-choux on Jesse MacBeth for impersonating a pastry chef.

Bumpersticker one-upmanship San Francisco style: I'm ALREADY Against The Next War

Great post/Good comments today--thanks all.

5/24/2006 08:32:00 AM  
Blogger shakey Mike said...

I just visited the flight 93 temporary memorial in Somerset County,Pa this last sunday.I saw the picture there of the hole in the ground where the plane hit. My friend was on an ambulance that arrived 1st on the scene and as a doctor immediately knew noone could have survived that crash. The men and women on that flight were hero's. These anti- america bush bashers should speak to the families and survivors of 9/11

5/24/2006 08:34:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

wretchard,

This post of yours seems to be wrapped around a false dichotomy:

"When the planes smashing into the Twin Towers forced everyone to nail their colors to the mast "

It is awfully simplistic but also true of how the Bush administration has approached 911. Either you support everything he does or you are for the terrorists. This is absurd and it is a false dichotomy. It is perfectly rational to be against terrorism, against the flying of planes into big buildings, and wholly opposed to the Bush reactions to such an event - in particular invading and occupying Iraq. OIF is a counterproductive response to fighting terrorism and my saying that in no way makes me seditious or for terrorism.

5/24/2006 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger whit said...

GWB, Your 6:34 and 6:38 posts are brilliant! You tell 'em!

5/24/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Blogger whit said...

Ash, Your 8:49 post characterising Bush's reaction to dissent is pure calumny. Take it over to Kos.

5/24/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger whit said...

Does anyone remember the post 9/11 reports of pregnant Middle Eastern women flying into Chicago, delivering their babies and immediately leaving the country? This struck me as a possible long term tactic in the long war. US citizenship for future jihadis.

5/24/2006 09:02:00 AM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

Whit,

I was going to put it - Ash, your ignorance and lack of subtlety is refreshing in a political opposite....

5/24/2006 09:09:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"...Up to a point, we understand plunging fertility rates. Wattenberg reviews the usual suspects: improved incomes; health and life expectancies (as more children survive, parents have fewer babies); growing urbanization (families need fewer children to work the fields); women's access to education and jobs; contraception; later and fewer marriages; more divorces. But our understanding is only partial, because there's one big exception to low fertility rates: the United States.

American fertility is roughly at the replacement rate, 2.1 children per woman. Nor does the U.S. rate merely reflect, as some think, a higher rate among Hispanic Americans. The fertility rate is 1.9 for non-Hispanic whites and about 2 for African-Americans, reports demographer Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute. What explains the American exception? Eberstadt cites three differences with Europe and most other advanced countries: greater optimism, greater patriotism and stronger religious values. There's some supporting evidence. A survey by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago asked respondents in 33 countries to react to this statement: ``I would rather be a citizen of (my country) than of any other.'' Among Americans, 75 percent ``strongly'' agreed; among Germans, the French and Spanish, comparable responses were 21 percent, 34 percent and 21 percent, respectively. ..."


The Impact of Collapsing Birthrates courtesy of RealClearPolitics

5/24/2006 09:43:00 AM  
Blogger sirius_sir said...

What has changed the Left - and this has happened since the end of the 1960s turmoil - is its embrace of postmodernism and relativism. By abandoning any notion that the world and its cultures can be objectively described (except through the prism of reflexive anti-Americanism), it has opened the door to anything. (Evan @ 7:34 AM)

There has been a lot of discussion of the Left on this thread, so I think it's only fair to add that there is a segment of the Left that is as disappointed/disgusted with what the Left has become as are many of us. These persons have signed their names to a document which sets forth their principles: The Euston Manifesto

5/24/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger geoffgo said...

Sam,

A concerted effort is called for, to enlist Joe Lieberman to the other side, where he's welcome. It's doubtful the Repubs have a candidate that could defeat Joe or Lamont in the coming elections.

Senator Joe would be wonderful addition to the Republican slate, and woo many "moderate voters" to our cause and camp.

5/24/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger geoffgo said...

Ledger,

I believe that should read: something more to worry about...

5/24/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger geoffgo said...

No Ash,

Just obviously misinformed.

5/24/2006 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

Now playing in Hilliard, Ohio, and coming soon to a community near you. Dhimmitude!

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22579

It seems that we have more in common with Europe than we thought.

5/24/2006 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

Just heard on Fox News Channel that the fake Ranger's video was the second most visited site on the entire internet.

Now, tell me that liar did not do some damage!

I have written the Air Force Association and told them I think they should establish a coordinated policy with the equivalent USN, USA, and USMC organizations and sue that guy - and preferably those who aired his interview as well - into a permanent pauper status.

5/24/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger whit said...

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. Winston Churchill.

5/24/2006 02:46:00 PM  
Blogger servius said...

Peoples reactions to Ash's comment are pretty funny.

So is it possible to be against Bush's policies and the terrorists?

5/24/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger What is "Occupation" said...

whit

i am in gahanna,

how can we send you an email?

5/24/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

9:02 AM Whit:
Their latest plan is to fill up that new super duper Jumbo Airbus with Pregnant Muslim Women, Land for a short time at night in the desert out by Area 51, induce labor/childbirth to produce a superplaneload of AMERICAN CITIZENS, then take off again for training in Warizistan...

At that time the stage will be set for the FINAL ASSAULT on Western Civilization as we know it, when the
United States is defeated by U.S. Citizens!

5/24/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Occupation:
I could drive up to Kahana and you could e-mail me:
Gahanna to Kahana would be cool.

5/24/2006 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

This storyline could well send cheers through the ranks. But then again, without doubt, it will definately draw a line in the sand. There will be not doubt if Mr Gonzalez takes on the criminals, straight up. No not on the Border, but in NY City.

:...On Sunday, during the ABC news program, "This Week," Attorney General Gonzales was asked if the federal government might prosecute journalists who published classified information.

"There are some statutes on the books," he answered, "which . . . would seem to indicate that this is a possibility." He went on to suggest that such prosecutions were implicitly authorized by the Congress when it passed the statutes. "We have an obligation to enforce those laws," he said. "We have an obligation to ensure that our national security is protected." ..."


The New Criterion
or this piece in the Boston Globe


Be careful what you wish for.
It oft times turns out differently than first expected.

5/24/2006 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff M said...

Arthur "Pinch" Sulzberger admits it's true:

NEW PALTZ - New York Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. told about 900 SUNY New Paltz graduates Sunday that he was sorry.

It wasn't an apology for anything Sulzberger, who first joined the Times in 1978 as a Washington correspondent, specifically did. It was, for the most part, offered as an apology from a member of a generation that had vowed to beat back world ills, such as the Vietnam War and government corruption, and never let them happen again.

"I will start with an apology," Sulzberger told the graduates, who wore black gowns and hats with yellow tassels. "When I graduated in 1974, my fellow students and I ended the Vietnam War and ousted President Nixon. OK. OK. That's not quite true. Maybe there were larger forces at play.

"Either way, we entered the real world committed to making it a better, safer, cleaner, more equal place," Sulzberger added. "We were determined not to repeat the mistakes of our predecessors. We had seen the horror and futility of war and smelled the stench of government corruption. Our children, we vowed, would never know that. So, well, I am sorry."

(With thanks to El Rushbo)

5/24/2006 04:25:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

Servius,

"So is it possible to be against Bush's policies and the terrorists?"

Of course you can. We often are around here.

The rub with Ash's statement is that he makes a statement such as - "Either you support everything he does or you are for the terrorists." This, he will argue is fact. I don't have empirical data on this but (whisper) Ash is famous for sweeping in, making a statement that changes the thread topic with 1/2 agreeable boners...(/whisper).

We regularly call him on this....with a not so light touch in my case. HE also is a good sport :o).

5/24/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Sorry, I took my frustration out with inane humor to avoid tears or broken monitors while I listened to JPod on Hewitt for as long as I could stand it:

All labels and emotions, all the time, forget about addressing FACTS.

If GWB and the Senate succeed in giving away the country, and we complained about it trying to stop them, and if Hillary is then elected, it will be ALL OUR FAULT. (us being the evil nativists, populist nutter exclusionists, and etc)
Wonder why he can't accept Edwin Meese's Simple Straightforward Outline in the NY Times describing how our NEW IMPROVED NON-AMNESTY is in fact virtually identical to the AMNESTY that he and Reagan tried in 1986?
( but did not try to say it was NOT an amnesty)

From that try, they, and some of us learned that if you don't insist on solving the present problems of illegal entry/employment first, and instead give away citizenship first, the problem once again will balloon further out of control.
---
---
But our "Conservative" "Allies" insist on crying disaster and resorting to name-calling instead of addressing the facts and trying to do something about a REAL Solution.

5/24/2006 04:35:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

DR, Doug,

Thought you might like this...

5/24/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

BTW, last post courtesy of Instapundit.

5/24/2006 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

We are indeed fortunate in this country. Blessed as we are with so many men and women of stature; Clinton,Carter,Dixie Chicks,and the latest A. Sulzberger,Jr. Each of these august personages willing to apologize for the country's miscreant behavior. Each willing to admit that they were unable to alter the behavior of all mankind for the better.
Each with no grasp of war as the norm and peace as an aberration.
We are indeed blessed by such people.
Makes me want to hurl.

5/24/2006 04:57:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The Prime Minister of Iraq said
"... After meeting with Denmark's prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, al-Maliki issued a statement saying: "Our forces are capable of taking over the security in all Iraqi provinces within a year and a half." ...

... It was the latest of several deadlines discussed recently regarding Iraq's plans to take over more of the security of the country from the U.S.-led coalition.


From the AP Wire via ABC News.

18 mmonths from now would be...
... November 2007 add another year for unscheduled delays ...
2008

The Brits say "four" years

The clock is ticking, regardless.

5/24/2006 05:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Dan,
Hewitt said Reuters and ABC are reporting HASTERT now under investigation re:
Abrahmoff!
---
Habu,
Dry Heaves here, this hurler is outta gas.

5/24/2006 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

All is not lost, 'Rat, in 18 months we'll have plans for electronic trip wires, drones, and etc so some other than Mexicans will get a free planeride home, and more Mexicans can be caught and released.
"Good Faith Effort"
we'll call it, to match the "man of faith" in the W.H.

5/24/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

That could put Mr Shadegg it good position to be Speaker.
As long as the Republicans can hold the House.

5/24/2006 05:17:00 PM  
Blogger charlotte said...

"If GWB and the Senate succeed in giving away the country, and we complained about it trying to stop them, and if Hillary is then elected, it will be ALL OUR FAULT."

No, it won't, Doug. It'll serve baaaaad Boosh and Illuminati Republicans right if we oust them for Hillary and the crazy Dem Left. What real difference is there, anyway, between a GOP that GIVES AWAY our country to Mexcan produce and poultry pickers and a Commie Blame America First DNC? Besides, think of the bitching we'll get to do when we get the pro-fascist Socialists elected!

5/24/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

Doug,

If they don't watch it, I may become...well, Doug-like..

:o)

5/24/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Dan, see my 2:33 PM:
Maybe we could work it out through dancing?

5/24/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

That was aristide's perscription for Eygpt, give it over to the Mohammedans, so in a generation or two, there could be "real reform".

Perhaps that will be his perscription for US, as well.
Dash of Democrats in the Governmental mix.
Teach US all a lesson.

5/24/2006 05:26:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The defend at any costers always Start from the position that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for Bush and the Senate to get honest, start to do their jobs as they pledged they would, and enjoy landslide victories in 06 and 08.

Why?
They don't want to.
Why?
We won't get into that.

5/24/2006 05:31:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

In this corner we have the Nativists, and in that corner are the Defend at any Costers.
Labels fight to the death, no holds barred!

5/24/2006 05:34:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

New York gala was a yawn for Mukhtaran Mai:

Feted by the famous and honoured by Time magazine, Pakistan’s rape victim turned human rights activist Mukhtaran Mai is unimpressed by all that has come her way in the recent months. Mai was unimpressed by the celebrities that gathered recently in New York at a gala dinner hosted by Time magazine, the Daily Times said quoting the New Yorker.

Mai was included by Time among the world’s 100 most influential people. The dinner was attended, among others, by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Ralph Nader, Lauren Bush, Martha Stewart, actor Will Smith, columnist Arianna Huffington, actress Jennifer Lopez and Senator John McCain.

New York Gala

5/24/2006 06:21:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"ISLAMABAD • Pakistan’s literacy rate slightly fell to 52 per cent during the second quarter (October-December) period of the current fiscal as against 52.4 per cent recorded in the previous quarter (July-September) of the same year.

Even if we got Moby Dick translated, half the people could not even read it.

5/24/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

At Least We Aren't Hypocrits

Charles Martel

5/24/2006 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Readers' editor right to publish apology, external review finds:

The Guardian readers' editor, Ian Mayes, was right to publish an apology and correction relating to a G2 interview with Professor Noam Chomsky, according to an independent outside review.

The Chomsky interview was written by Emma Brockes and published in G2 last October. It suggested that Chomsky had cast doubt on atrocities committed at Srebrenica during the Bosnian war by placing the word massacre in quotation marks. In his correction, Mayes said there was no evidence to support this claim and gave an unreserved apology to Prof Chomsky.

Mayes also acknowledged that the headline accompanying the interview - which was not written by Brockes - had compounded the injury to Prof Chomsky.

Published Apology

5/24/2006 07:04:00 PM  
Blogger Ash said...

danmyers wrote:

""Either you support everything he does or you are for the terrorists." This, he will argue is fact."

ummm, no, that is the false dichotomy at the heart of wretchards post and you are correct; it is false and a silly statement.

5/24/2006 07:37:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

Ash.. I've never been wrong before......{pregnant pause}

You are absolutely correct. And, I apologize for the slam (always with a smile though).

But, in useless defense: I didn't see the colon.. Made it read a bit different to me. Apologies.

5/24/2006 07:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Larry Johnson et al At Work
---
" I didn't see the Colon."
That would be Ash?

5/24/2006 08:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

5/24/2006 08:04:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Hillary Clinton pushes for reinstatement of national 55 mph limit:

The announcement comes as a surprise, despite rising gas prices and increased pressure from environmentalists, as it is unlikely to prove popular with voters.Naturally, that's not the only automotive issue on her mind... among other four-wheeled initiatives, Clinton reported that she is pushing for 50 percent of America's gas stations to offer ethanol by 2015, with 100 percent by 2025.

Sammy Hagar was unavailable for comment.

Hillary Clinton

5/24/2006 09:59:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

Cedarford, thank you for reminding us of the disparity between the American experience and that of people in Europe, Russia, China, Japan, and the Middle East. We in the U.S. have enjoyed an astonishing run of luck for so long that it’s hard for even those who’ve read some history to comprehend the gulf. The last serious bloodletting on American soil — I mean, one comparable to what the rest of the world has experienced repeatedly — was our war between the states, “The War of Northern Aggression” as some term it still. That war ended one hundred and fifty years ago. As horrific as the battle experiences were for American forces in the 20th Century wars, the civilians at home were at a far remove from the carnage.

The only significant bit of American population that has known the experience of having to step around corpses in the streets to get to the market, or church, or school, is the immigrant population.

I sometimes wonder if that may after all make them a lot more ready to defend AMERICAN culture than are the gutless pukes of the Left.

5/24/2006 11:01:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Rumsfeld/Pace Town Hall

5/24/2006 11:03:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

"when attacks on the US homeland made it categorically necessary to answer the question: 'are you willing to fight our assailants', many sincere ideologues paused, shook their heads and said: 'No. In fact I am morally obligated to help our assailants'."

And it only took GWB a couple of weeks to decide that American schoolchildren ought to be sending alms to their impoverished Afghan counterparts. Charity in the one hand; fighter jets in the other: a curious combination it was - and remains.

Serious, even paralyzing, confusion and contradiction were there from the very beginning, and the WH didn't need any rabid Leftist's help. It still doesn't.

5/24/2006 11:10:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Malkin on MacBeth

5/24/2006 11:27:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

I don’t mean to dismiss as trivial the anguish and wreck of 9-11; But much of the loss is the cost we paid for meticulous and exhaustive labors to search, to clean up, to investigate, to understand, to argue, to rebuild and recover. Repetitions of such acts yield diminishing chaos of the sort our enemies desire as we learn to cope with events. Look at Israel; their society continues to function despite the disruptions of suicide murderers in ton lots.

The development of the jacketed military round was only tangentially compassionate. Among civilized armies, wounded soldiers are customarily defended, rescued, and evacuated. So a round that leaves a soldier incapacitated instead of dead absorbs the energies of ten trained personnel for each wounded soldier — field medics, stretcher bearers, ambulance drivers, medivac chopper crews, and all the attendant medical staff at field hospitals.

It has seemed to me for years that titanic forces are steering our paths toward a mess that will render the bleatings of Leftists and Marxist idiots conspicuously irrelevant. I curse them, but on reflection, I really don’t think they have the power or wit to MAKE history. They’re like the flies that madden cattle in the sweltering Serengti. The greatest danger they pose is the disease they spread. Otherwise, they have only the ability to make their hosts miserable.

5/24/2006 11:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

sam,
You left out the most important element of Hillary's
Energy Initiative for the 21st Century: (aka restatement of ideas from the previous, non-terminal "energy crisis")

Decals on the Gas Pumps to remind motorists to check tire pressure!

5/24/2006 11:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

fiddler,
That no lives were lost in the cleanup of the towers is one of the towering achievements of our culture imo.
But as you say, immensely expensive.
---
In WWII there would have been a tradeoff of lives for cost and speed.
(plus some things were just not possible with the equipment available)

5/24/2006 11:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

11:10 PM, Trish
As schoolkids, we sent care packages to Japan also.
But there was that
"Unconditional Surrender" thingy beforehand!
(I wonder why they were so much more co-operative?)

5/24/2006 11:49:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

There's a children's movie from some years ago titled "Milo and Otis". Milo is a cat and Otis is a dog (or the other way around - it has been awhile) and the pair embark on a series of misadentures. At the start of the film Otis says to Milo, "You're a funny-looking dog." Milo replies, "I'm not a dog. I'm a cat." Otis says, "Oh, right, right. But deep down, we're all dogs, aren't we?"

GWB is Otis.

5/24/2006 11:51:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

11:10 PM
Wretch mentioned hunches a while back.
On the morn of 9-11, I had a hunch.
Dammit!

5/24/2006 11:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

11:44 PM -
Truman, otoh, traded their lives for speed and the lives of our soldiers.
Being from Missourri, and not being Milo, he considered "them"
the "enemy."
Show me State, huh?

5/25/2006 12:10:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

We're waay past objectifying "enemies" now, thank goodness.
It's soo dehumanizing.

5/25/2006 12:13:00 AM  
Blogger sam said...

Hezbollah against integration into Lebanon's Army:

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah ruled out the widely popular option of integrating his armed group into the Lebanese army. His statement on this matter was viewed as a positioning strategy ahead of the June 8 national dialogue meeting on disarming all the militia in Lebanon.

A pro-Syrian Palestinian militant group which retains bases in Lebanon demanded the same rights as Hezbollah for its own fighters and rejected a decision by the Lebanese politicians during the national dialogue talks to limit carrying weapons to inside the camps only.

On May 25, 2000, Israel completed the withdrawal of its forces from southern Lebanon. The unilateral move spelled the end of 22-year occupation by Israel. Hezbollah was credit with liberating the south.

Hezbollah Against Integration

5/25/2006 12:30:00 AM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Arrest of Illegals Falls off Clinton Pace
By Stephen Dinan
Washington Times,

The U.S. Border Patrol increased at a faster rate and apprehended more illegal aliens per year under President Clinton than under President Bush, according to statistics from a new, unpublished congressional research briefing report.

" The rest of this page intentionally left blank."

5/25/2006 01:02:00 AM  
Blogger Randi said...

Jesse MacBeth is the pinnacle of leftist argument, like Dan Rather's forged papers. The same impostered approach pervades academia, journalism, and career civil service.

There be many Jesse MacBeth's running around. Several of them are trolls posting on this thread. They could take their nonsense to Kos, but then it would be drowned out in all the other idiocy.

5/25/2006 01:08:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

We should start a Belmont/Macbeth 5th column watch list.
For those that give off that floppy pastry chef vibe.
Folks claiming to have served, etc.
'Rat, Trish, Habu, 2164th, and etc.
You know who you are:
So do we!

5/25/2006 01:51:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

The advantage to being in a group is that at least one of you can sense who the deviants are and keep everyone away from them.

5/25/2006 01:57:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"... there are also daily warnings that there is something terribly wrong with a system predicated on a cynical violation of the law. ...

...Today, almost a third of all foreign-born persons in the United States are here illegally, making up 3 to 4 percent of the American population. It is estimated that the U.S. is home to 11 or 12 million illegal aliens, whose constantly refreshed numbers ensure there is always a perpetual class of unassimilated recent illegal arrivals. Indeed almost one-tenth of Mexico's population currently lives here illegally!

But the real problem is that we, the hosts, are also different from our predecessors. Today we ask too little of too many of our immigrants. We apparently don't care whether they come legally or learn English - or how they fare when they're not at work. Nor do we ask all of them to accept the brutal bargain of an American melting pot that rapidly absorbs the culture of an immigrant in exchange for the benefits of citizenship.

Instead, we are happy enough that most labor vans of hardworking helots stay on the road in the early-morning hours, out of sight and out of mind. Sometimes, though, they tragically do not.


By VDH, who used to be sooo smart, but now, is oh so out of touch... in the
Brave New World of Immigration.

5/25/2006 02:35:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

By Thomas Sowell

Of all the insults to our intelligence in the current discussions of immigration legislation, the biggest insult is the claim that border control legislation and legislation on the illegal immigrants already in the country must go together.

Why? What will happen if they are done separately? And who will be worse off?

The claim that the two pieces of legislation must be passed at the same time has been repeated endlessly. But endless repetition is not a coherent argument. ...

...Let's return to the question of what would happen if border control legislation were to be voted on separately from amnesty legislation, instead of in the current package deal.

First of all, we would find out who is serious about border control, especially if the question of amnesty (by whatever name) is postponed for some definite period of time, in order to first see what happens at the border before taking that irrevocable step.

Who would lose anything by this separate consideration of the two pieces of legislation? The country would not lose anything. Neither would the illegal aliens already in the country.

The biggest losers would be politicians. They could no longer be on both sides of the issue by voting for a package deal but would have to stand up and be counted on border control.

Some say that the Democrats would filibuster a bill that offered border control separately. Fine. Let them!

Let them show their true colors in an election year and then go face the voters in the fall.

Of course, those Republicans who are either weak-kneed or who share the Democrats' views would also lose the political cover of being able to vote on both sides of the immigration issue. ...

...As for not being able to pass immigration legislation separately, that claim has already been refuted by those who made it. The Senate has just passed a bill allowing illegal aliens to collect Social Security, even if they were hired with forged or stolen Social Security cards. ..."


Thomas Sowell, another American racist?

5/25/2006 02:55:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Yep, hysterical exclusionist, nutter nativist, namby pamby NIMBY, silver-spooned academic elitist, classist neanderthal, and etc.
---
"The biggest losers would be politicians.
They could no longer be on both sides of the issue by voting for a package deal but would have to stand up and be counted on border control.
"
---
Probably raised on the campus of Stanford by rich professor-parents.

5/25/2006 03:19:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Macker in Black.

5/25/2006 03:24:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Zealots may chant ÁSi, se puede! all they want.
And the libertarian right may dress up the need for cheap labor as a desire to remain globally competitive.

But neither can disguise a cynicism about illegal immigration, one that serves to prop up a venal Mexican government, undercut the wages of our own poor and create a new apartheid of millions of aliens in our shadows.

We have the entered a new world of immigration without precedent. This current crisis is unlike the great waves of 19th-century immigration that brought thousands of Irish, Eastern Europeans and Asians to the United States.

Most immigrants in the past came legally. Few could return easily across an ocean to home. Arrivals from, say, Ireland or China could not embrace the myth that our borders had crossed them rather than vice versa."

5/25/2006 04:51:00 AM  
Blogger Karridine said...

G.W.B. (Psst... your response to C4 has been recorded and posted at BrainSurgeryWithSpoons!)

I like your style, GWB!

5/25/2006 05:18:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"...As many Republicans see it, President Bush is trying to ram a Democratic amnesty bill down their throats - a bill that would amount to political suicide for them.

House Republicans are dead-set against legalization, convinced that backing Bush's plan would so infuriate conservatives that they'd sit out the election and let Democrats win control of Congress.

The Senate can't pass the bill alone, so as long as the House holds firm, any compromise bill won't include legalization. Bush aides have pleaded to Congress to show he's still relevant by passing the bill - but they're not finding agreement.

Bush guru Karl Rove got an earful when he tried to persuade House Republicans yesterday - 19 of the 20 who spoke out said no way to legalization and some voiced resentment at White House pressure.

"It was a very cool reception. No matter what the president and the Senate call it, people see it as amnesty," said House Homeland Security chairman Peter King (R-L.I.)

"There was some concern about the White House laying out a false choice between amnesty and mass deportation. Nobody is calling for mass deportations - and the White House should know that." ...

... But what's been less noticed is that in the Senate, a huge majority of the Republicans up for re-election this fall - and some Democrats in Republican states - also oppose legalization. In a test vote on legalization this week, only 18 of the 55 Republican senators voted in favor.

Of the 15 Republicans up for re-election, only four supported legalization. ...""

from the NY Post

Create strawman arguements and defame your opponents, name calling and the like.
No wonder the small donations are drying up for the Republicans.

I've read alot about RINOs here, lately.
George W. Bush
he certainly qualifies.

5/25/2006 06:15:00 AM  
Blogger 2164th said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

5/25/2006 06:38:00 AM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Randi said...
"Jesse MacBeth is the pinnacle of leftist argument, like Dan Rather's forged papers. The same impostered approach pervades academia, journalism, and career civil service.

There be many Jesse MacBeth's running around. Several of them are trolls posting on this thread. They could take their nonsense to Kos, but then it would be drowned out in all the other idiocy."

I kindly dissent. The force of your argument should outweigh your credentials. I prefer dialog to dogma and an articulate dissent based on reason rather than a rant based on time in grade.

6:38 AM

5/25/2006 06:45:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

But the Republicans are not alone in Leadership having wandered astray from their flock. The Democrats have got their own "problem child"

"...Pelosi move triggers revolt
By Josephine Hearn

Furious black lawmakers, rallying behind Rep. William Jefferson (D-La.), were pulled back from the brink of open revolt against House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in an emergency meeting with her yesterday.

The meeting with a handful of CBC members was called after Pelosi wrote the embattled lawmaker, who is at the center of a massive bribery scandal, a curt note requesting his immediate resignation from the powerful Ways and Means Committee.

Outraged that one of its members was being picked on even though he has not been charged with a crime, ..."


From the Hill.

There is also a story
DOJ: Hastert is not under investigation

By Susan Crabtree

5/25/2006 06:47:00 AM  
Blogger Karridine said...

2164th: MacBeth was shown, in less than 30 hours, to be inaccurate in his claims of military service; a lying poseur, incapable of having been where he said he'd been, incapable of having done what he said he'd done, and showing myriad signs that he was NEVER connected to or associated with or serving as or fighting alongside United States Rangers!

MacBess had chances (still does) to post ANY documentation to counter the considered analyses of the left/right blogosphere in its considered conclusion that he is a lying poseur!

His REFUSAL and INABILITY to post such do NOT 'prove' him a liar, but the mass of contrary details posted during widespread, concurrent and consecutive Fiskings of his bilge, DO support the assertion that he has cranio-neuronal damage crippling his ability to deal with the world in a truthful, forthright manner, for WHATEVER reason.

5/25/2006 06:54:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

2164,
You are right, or those Generals that derided Mr Rumsfeld, why we'd all have to admit that, with all their legitimate Military experience, they were right.

Not based upon their arguments, but upon their "past", their experience and knowledge. That their "military pedigree" trumps Mr Rumsfeld's civilian appointment by the President. Mere politician that he is, Mr Rumsfeld could never match the accumulated wisdom of the dissenting Generals.

Could he?

5/25/2006 06:56:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

karridine
This MacBeth fella, I did not have to "see" the video to know he was a fraud. There are many frauds in life, con men that always "move on".

He made no arguments, only wild and baseless charges. Those concerned pointed those out, as well as MacBeth's personal short falls, early on in the episode.

It appears he broke no laws.

It is of much greater concern that Mr Gonzalez may soon bring an indictment of the NYTimes.
That is real news, worthy of discussion, as it will change how the debate has been waged, in Washington.
For decades past the "leak" has been use against Republicans and Democrats, alike. The future will be unlike the past, if the Times is called to Court.

Not perhaps for the worse, but an extension of the Federal reach, for sure. To use a Law that has sat idle of almost fifty years, now...
It'll be interesting to watch.

Duke, Dusty and now Mr Jefferson.
Anyone know his nickname?

5/25/2006 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

DR, I thought you were arguing a few days back that the selective application of laws is the tool of tyrants? Are you now reversing yourself and suggesting that the Feds dust off a law for use against the NYTimes? If so, how about applying that law against all the publications whom propagated the Plame leak, or any other strategically placed leak by the Bush admin? A lot of publications will be dragged into this net if the law is to be equally applied.

5/25/2006 07:23:00 AM  
Blogger LifeoftheMind said...

The "Treason of the Clerics" that has divided the elites from the interests of the communities of Western Civilization is a real but recent phenomenom that has accelerated over the last 40 years. See Halberstam's Best and the Brightest.

5/25/2006 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

No ash, I am not "advocating" for that, merely commenting upon it's happening.

The "leak" system has developed over many years, decades. The entire information system in the US is based on offical releases and offical & unoffical leaks.

Based on that old but active Signals Intelligence Law, the NY Times seems to have acted illegally.
Just like on the Border, Laws long ignored can come to life, or not.

It may begin as "selective" enforcement, but enforcement can grow. If Guest workers need an ID card, wil not Citizens, as well. Otherwise the "Guest" could claim to be a Citizen, when asked.

There would only be one way to know.
Your papers, Please!

5/25/2006 07:38:00 AM  
Blogger whit said...

MacBeth has been exposed as a fraud but his mission was successfully accomplished. His work is done. He is just another foot soldier in the propaganda war. He spun his lies which were picked up and spread worldwide. Now the lies will be used by the Islamists to incite and recruit. I don't visit or even know of any Jihadi websites, but I'm sure the lies are featured there now. The war goes on, meanwhile back in the good 'ol USA, sinsiter forces continue to divide us. Is there any hope?

5/25/2006 07:40:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The comparison of the Plame affair to the NSA revelations is like apple and oranges.

No active intelligence was revealed in Ms Plame's case. The Prosecutor has made that clear.
Misstatements to the Grand Jury, not leaking Intelligence, is Scooters suppossed malfeasence.

The same cannot be said of the NYTimes and the NSA story.

5/25/2006 07:46:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

DR, true the Plame case now is just a perjury case but as you know there are many leaks coming out of Washington from both parties and pursuing publications for reporting the stories invites selective application of laws or a draconian attempt at silencing a free press.

On a (sort of) related note, there is the interesting case of the Congressman getting his office searched and the now brewing battle of various co-equal arms of the government raiding and searching other branches. Will we someday see the POTUS getting his office searched in a legal investigation?

5/25/2006 07:53:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The card will contain a "biometric" code, perhaps your medical history as well.

All to be entered in a data base, that will be lost or stolen from the Federals later.
Like the names and #'s of the Veterans or the Nuclear secrets that left Los Alamos.

5/25/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

All you'd need is a House subpoena and a willing Federal Judge to sign a search order.

According to Mr Gonzalez.
Two branches trump one.

Then the House Committees could have found those Rose Law firm billing records, sooner.

5/25/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Brian Ross and the Exploding (rocket fueled) GM Truck.

5/25/2006 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

8:03 AM The Democrat from Louisiana refused to turn over the requested docs when approached in a more polite manner.
That would be William Jefferson, Democrat, Louisiana.

5/25/2006 08:13:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

LIBERAL HOUSE REPUBLICANS COMING AROUND ON IMMIGRATION.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
Chris Shays:
(NOW) No path to Citizenship!!!
(18 Community Meetings did the trick)

5/25/2006 08:15:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

hmmm, with Dems in control of a new House maybe we'll see a willing judge ready to sign a warrant to search Mr. Bush stuff for evidence of perjury over Niger cake or some such Malefeasance...

5/25/2006 08:16:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

If GOP is listening to the people, there WILL NOT be a democrat house, ash.
Eat your yellow cake with plutonium relish.

5/25/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

True enough, doug.
But the Executive often refuses to turn over requested docs, to the Congress.

A House subpoena and a Federal Judge. Decisive action. At the door of the White House.
Rome redux.

The precendent has been set. After 200 years, Mr Gonzalez has gone where no Government has gone before.
What is "conservative" about that?
Mr Jefferson could have been indicted, convicted, stripped of office, based on what I've heard & seen, to date.
Mr Jefferson has yet to even be indicted.

Unless Mr Hastert and his crew are just spoiling for a fight, with Mr Bush, there is a real issue there.

5/25/2006 08:27:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I predict William Jefferson, Democrat Louisiana, will be indicted.
As to precedent, I am no Scholar.
(Except 1st gen Jets and 60's Detroit Iron)

5/25/2006 08:35:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Mr Gonzalez has been "less than aggressive" prosecuting Clintonista Traitors.

5/25/2006 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Condi is an Egghead of the first order.
A Pianist for Secretary of State.

5/25/2006 08:41:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

LONG, very learned answers to simple questions.
An Anti Truman to be sure.

5/25/2006 08:42:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

As the clock tick tocks are we seeing the Republicans that must stand for reelection running from Mr Bush and his positions?

Mr DeLay was not known as the "Hammer" for his pleasent ways.

Soon doug, we'll be told Mr Bush was "really" for Border Enforcement, all along. It's all been a feint, Rovish counter intutitive intelligence strikes, again.
Chants of "Misunderstimated Agin" will ring out from the White House as the border fence goes up, the Democrats go down and the Republicans sail on to '08 with a slim majority.

It could happen.

5/25/2006 08:44:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

A Master Bluff by the Poker Player.
Miss Underestimated.

5/25/2006 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Randi said...

"Jesse MacBeth is the pinnacle of leftist argument, like Dan Rather's forged papers. The same impostered approach pervades academia, journalism, and career civil service. There be many Jesse MacBeth's running around. Several of them are trolls posting on this thread. They could take their nonsense to Kos, but then it would be drowned out in all the other idiocy."

Dan Rather and his associates had the pre-Internet arrogance of the MSM that they could control a Presidential election with any old lie that popped into their head. In 1968, that tactic would have worked brilliantly but not anymore.

Jesse MacBeth is just another pathetic example. Again in 1968, MacBeth might have spun his story into a successful political career. Who knows, he might have eventually become Senator for Massachusetts.

Both Rather and MacBeth were behind-the-times in terms of the Internet. However there will be a new class of frauds with greater sophistication, who will spin their stories assuming the Internet will be used for verification. Had Rather's people shown a little more intelligence and less arrogance, they might have produced forgeries that were undetectable. Their agenda of putting Kerry in the Whitehouse would have succeeded (a liar boosted by other liars).

On the subject of lies: The recent www.truthout.org yarn that Rove had been indicted for perjury along with the tale that House Speaker Dennis Hastert was being probe for corruption are of interest. These examples are probably simple stupidity (they were uncovered too easily). However a cunning political tactic would be to release an outrageous lie on the Internet (use a Google bomb). Then as that lie was debunked and dying down, release another lie of a similar type. By doing so one could use the Internet to create a constant background noise that the entire Republican party was under legal threat for corruption. This would be a modern variation of Goebbels' propaganda method of repeating a lie often enough that everyone was forced to believe it was true. This propandanda technique could neutralize the Internet's power to dig out the truth by burying any useful signal with noise.

5/25/2006 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Brian Ross, ABC News, nee NBC Exploding GM SUV.

5/25/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Jeez, Eggplant, don't tell 'em what to do! They'll do it. And we don't want to get into stuff like that. Hard enough to filter fact from fiction as it is. :)

5/25/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Ken Lay guilty on all charges.(If the headline isn't a plant.)

5/25/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Bobalharb,

If I can figure this stuff out then so can the bad guys. I'm only a rank amateur. The bad guys do this stuff for a living.

5/25/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

William Jefferson, Democrat Louisiana, refused a subpoena for 8 MONTHS!
...special team visited office, designed NOT to take legislative material:
Just Criminal Evidence.

5/25/2006 09:17:00 AM  
Blogger Whitehall said...

It sure seems to me that the US is in a civil war of our own. We've yet to decend to violence but it could happen.

One side wants to globalize our country to nothingness. The other retains an understanding of the necessity of nationalism.

While I'm Mr. Consensus in most matters, this one will have to be hard fought until the anti-American faction is crushed. We Americans, as always, promise to be magnanimous in victory.

5/25/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

I'm not even an amateur, just another babe o' the woods. Glad to see Lay got his this morning. Better way to wake up than usual.

5/25/2006 09:22:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"We Americans, as always, promise to be magnanimous in victory"
---
But we do all have our bad days.

5/25/2006 09:27:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

ABC News may be busted for Slander.

5/25/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

After World War II a lot of folks, particularly in the sheltered U.S. were mesmerized into thinking the world was transformed into some miraculous modernity. Well, how can you blame us? I feel like an idiot just listing all the things that we take for granted that are unknown to most of the world, and were unknown to people still living.

We beneficiaries of the industrialized West have been immersed in an artificial world for four generations — the great grand-children of the generation that survived World War II are now approaching maturity.

We still have real difficulty accepting that the miracles we know have not changed anything fundamental about how humans behave and think, even among those who live with them. We can learn to drive a car, pilot a supersonic single-engine fighter jet, or space shuttle, but our reflexes are still referenced to the speeds and timescales of walking. We can learn to design integrated microcircuitry smaller than we can see, but our vision is still limited to a single octave of the electromagnetic spectrum. We can contemplate and speculate on cosmic distances and events, but only as symbolic reductions of things we cannot directly comprehend without going mad.

We are profoundly prefigured in our instincts and tendencies by millions of years of socializing as mammals in packs, families, and tribes.

Sometimes I think blogging and the internet, along with a lot of praying, provide some hope of advancing.

On the other hand, when I really get depressed about the three-ring cesspool of DC, I recall how back at the end of the 19th century in Paris — City of Light and High Culture — the aristocracy and rich bastards from around the world flocked to be entertained by the wildly popular performances of Le Petomaine, who farted melodies to orchestral accompaniment.

On reflection, if our current crop of cultural leaders could do that it would be a material improvement.

5/25/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

mad fiddler...

also mel brookes,governor petomaine in Blazing Saddles

5/25/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

The Mad Fiddler said:

"We beneficiaries of the industrialized West have been immersed in an artificial world for four generations.... We still have real difficulty accepting that the miracles we know have not changed anything fundamental about how humans behave and think, even among those who live with them. We can learn to drive a car, pilot a supersonic single-engine fighter jet, or space shuttle, but our reflexes are still referenced to the speeds and timescales of walking. We can learn to design integrated microcircuitry smaller than we can see, but our vision is still limited to a single octave of the electromagnetic spectrum. We can contemplate and speculate on cosmic distances and events, but only as symbolic reductions of things we cannot directly comprehend without going mad."

Add to this mix that when our ancestors got angry, they showed their displeasure by howling, jumping up-and-down and throwing dung at each other.

In a couple of years, medieval mullahs might be armed with ballistic missiles tipped with thermonuclear warheads. The mullahs are dinosaurs from the 7th century and shouldn't even exist in our era. However they'll soon be armed with 21st century weapons. This is not a stable situation and can not last much longer.

5/25/2006 11:55:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

10:48 AM,
Atmospherics Ain't Everything.

5/25/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

LePetomaine!! Wonders here at Belmont Club will never cease! Used to laugh about him with my cousins in my youth. He could suck up water in his arse and blow out a candle across the room. Beat that, can ya.

5/25/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

SHANKLIN SUPERNEWS

5/25/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

doug,
Seems that the White House is backing off from your highly trained team's search.
Mr Bush has ordered the FBI to "Seal" those documents taken from Mr Jefferson's Dongressional office and place them in the control of the Solicitor General.

The clock ticks on.

5/25/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

LePetomaine--the culture that created this dude sure beats a culture that stones women to death for adultery, least in my mind such as it is.

5/25/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Doug,
Need tech help..how do you add those links that are in blue that refer the reader to an article ?
Thx

5/25/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Is that still Ted Olsen?
Maybe the Senators will be declared above the law too?
What might they do (to us) THEN?

5/25/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"...May 24, 2006 - As controversial CIA Director Porter Goss exits the agency, NEWSWEEK has discovered new details about a purge of top agency operatives shortly after Goss's arrival in 2004. A bitter secret feud over a Clinton-era counterintelligence case was apparently a major motivation behind the loss of those seasoned intelligence veterans, sources say. Gen. Michael Hayden, President Bush's nominee to replace Goss as CIA chief, has signaled that when he is confirmed by the Senate, probably later this week, he intends to appoint one of the principal victims of the feud, former CIA operations chief Stephen Kappes, as deputy CIA director—a move that is regarded inside the intelligence world as a final insult to Goss and his inner circle. ..."

This story is in or MSNBC.

All about Belgrade...
The Clintonistas win, doug.
If Newsweak can be believed.

Ain't life with Republicans Grand?
or just an old party?

5/25/2006 12:36:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

<--- a href="http://www.google.com/"> TYPE IN "LINK" "or creative LINK TITLE" HERE <--- /a --->

---
Copy url from address bar, put between QOTATION MARKS were http://www.google.com/ IS NOW,

TAKE OUT THE 9 --- Spaces, paste into comment, press Preview, and it will tell you what mistake you made.

Save one in notepad so you can just copy and paste it.

I'll try and find google help article, but someone else will beat me.

5/25/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Send Goss To Iran!

Round up all those Vets with those SS Numbers, Force Sheriff Joe to Imprison them in Tents in their Pinko Panties!

5/25/2006 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

My SS Number and 214 were encrypted!
Nyah, Nyah!
SUCKERS!
(So were all TANG numbers:
In-State Courtesy)

5/25/2006 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

BLOGGER HELP
http://help.blogger.com/

5/25/2006 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Eggplant said--'This is not a stable stituation and can't last much longer.'--11:55 To calm myself sometimes I read Joseph Campbell.--"In terms of historical action Christianity and Islam have the same character. They're going to remake the world for their God. I find this repulsive, but it's what makes history, so you have to say 'yes' to it. If you say 'no' to one little detail of your life, you've unraveled the whole thing. You have to say 'yes' to the whole thing, including its extinction. That's what's known as 'joyful participation in the sorrows of the world.' It's my little theme song." 'Love informs the whole universe/right down into the abyss of hell.' Joseph Campbell Companion pg 149 Sometimes my reading doesn't calm myself however.

5/25/2006 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Habu:
In the meantime, just paste complete url from the ADDRESS BAR.
---
We have to suffer the indignity of copying it from your comment into OUR address bars.
---
---
"complete url" = everything in the address bar.

5/25/2006 01:09:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

1:07 PM You're sick, Bobal!
I'm re-thinking that Yukon trip!
---
---
Plus, I'm telling your daughter about what you're going to do to save her world.

5/25/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

GWB Epithet:
Weakness is PROVOCATIVE

5/25/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

"Folks claiming to have served, etc.
'Rat, Trish, Habu, 2164th, and etc.
You know who you are:
So do we!"

Trish claims to have been an Army interrogator, once upon a time. But an Airborne Ranger, never.

5/25/2006 04:50:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

Note to habu_1,
The sites listed give some information about embedding html hyperlinks in your comments. The code is not accepted in all blogs, though.

(Each of the following URLs is preceded by “http://”)

help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=880&topic=17

help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=711&topic=22

www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/javascript/article.php/3471221

Good Luck!

5/26/2006 01:02:00 AM  
Blogger bohica said...

"...forced everyone to nail their colors to the mast"

Man, I love that. If it's not an original, it should be forever attributed to you Wretchard.

5/26/2006 01:58:00 PM  

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