Sunday, May 21, 2006

Some Damn Fool Thing in the Balkans

Name a country which was bombarded by US airpower without any prior authorization by the United Nations Security Council which is dissolving into separate ethnic states. Iraq? No. Yugoslavia. The Telegraph reports:.

The Balkan state of Montenegro voted yesterday on whether to become independent from Serbia and write the final chapter in the break-up of the former Yugoslavia. ... Generations of Montenegrins have been educated in Belgrade, and Montenegrins have a long history of assuming leading positions in Serbian companies and the public sector. Given this intertwining history, many Serbs are either baffled or even hurt that Montenegrins now want to break away. Serbian prime minister Vojislav Kostunica has called on Montenegrins to remain joined to Serbia. With passions running high, there have been fears that whatever the outcome, there could be violence after the results are announced.

Science and Politics thinks it is tragic, in a way.

Right now, there are five countries in the place of Yugoslavia: Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Serbia & Montenegro. Considering the very high turnout at today's referendum in Montenegro, there soon may be another split, as Serbia and Montenegro go their separate ways. ... Splitting along the geographical borders will not accomplish anything, as the quarrel is not really between Serbs and Croats and Bosnian Moslems and Kosovo Albanians and others, but between the modern 21st century worldview held by the people in cities and the backwater medieval worldview of the people in rural areas. Citizens of Belgrade, Zagreb, Sarajevo, Novi Sad, Ljubljana, Mostar, Nis, Pristina and Skopje have more in common with each other than each have with people living just a few miles outside of each of those cities. It is a typical division along the city-country or urban-rural or liberal-conservative lines.

And what about Kosovo? It's still being administered by the United Nations seven years after the 1999 NATO intervention.

Kosovo is presently run by its Provisional Institutions of Self-Government and the UN Interim Administrative Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK), while the security is maintained by the NATO-led KFOR. The talks on the future status of Kosovo have started in Vienna, on February 20, 2006, between the Kosovo institutions' negotiating team, and the team formed by the Government of Serbia. The future of the province is set to be determined by the end of the year.


This may well be the best outcome for the former Yugoslavia. Or maybe not. But imagine for a moment if you will if this road had been obstructed at every turn by every major newspaper, network and pundit that could put ink to paper or pixels to screen. How would it be then?


Blogger enscout said...

"...Splitting along the geographical borders will not accomplish anything, as the quarrel is not really between Serbs and Croats and Bosnian Moslems and Kosovo Albanians and others, but between the modern 21st century worldview held by the people in cities and the backwater medieval worldview of the people in rural areas."

There is a high degree of tension between Molsem and Christian populations that goes back centuries. I'm not sure if the author is implying this in his statement but it is a fact that cannot be ignored.

Wretchard, your last comment is prfound and represents just another of the many double standards held firmly by the elitist left.

5/21/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Blogger Ticker said...


It's fertile field for irony. Wesley Clark. Bill Clinton. Madeleine Albright. The Europeans. This is their baby. Still stuck in the womb after seven years. And yet I would not ridicule them for the steps they took. Presidents from both parties kept the policy of containment in the decades after World War 2.

But somewhere along the line the idea that both parties were playing for the same side went out of mind. The real problem posed by remembering the Balkans is the how to account for the way things have changed in Washington.

5/21/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

The Left are the mercenaries of the twenty first century, looking for a cause in opposition to the standards of middle class. They are opposed to tradition, religion, and decency in public standards. They live in a closed self oscillating loop created for them by the people and societies they detest. They own the media, much of academia, the social sciences and control civil services. They are dangerous because the societies they hate and damage are the same that have to clean up their mess. Sometimes the damage and distortion is enough to cause a violent reaction from the real facists and not the bogeymen in their imaginations. The pattern never changes.

5/21/2006 06:31:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

Wretchard: There was no real opposition to the intervention in the remains of Yugoslavia because there it had no implications for anyone aside from the people who live there.

Thus the ineffective methods did not matter - such as carefully cratering a Serb runway and not hitting any of the aircraft or people there - because the net result did not matter.

Hillary Clinton could call for a U.S intervention in Kosovo so to create a photo op with the refugees, and Bill Clinton could agree to her demand in order to assuage her feeling over Monica - and the net result was zip. The attacks were carefully calculated to be so ineffective as to minimize casualties - and also do nothing else.

Any road will take you where you are going if you don't care about your destination.

5/21/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...

Strategy of the left leaning politicos: B S your way through a crisis (Waco, Somalia, Yugoslavia) and always oppose your political opponent regardless of the circumstance.

Strategy of the political right: Apply reason when reacting to a crisis and hope for the best; Give your political opponent enough rope to hang himself.

5/21/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

...and, reflecting rwe's last line upon Wretchard's question, there's more than one road to a destination, so long as there IS a destination. I suppose the Left's interim destination--the end of Bush--has some further end in mind. Wish they would say what it is.

5/21/2006 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Quest for independence:

Montenegro's pro-independence camp argues that the country is being stifled by Serbia. The ruling group says that breaking away will boost the economy and speed the country's path to joining states such as Slovenia, also a former Yugoslav republic, in the prosperous EU.

The pro-Serbian camp says that Montenegro is too small to be viable on its own. The referendum has a bearing on Serbia also as if the result is confirmed, then it would become an independent sovereign state as well.

Quest for Independence

5/21/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

One final comment:

The perfect TV show for the decade of the 1990's was Seinfeld, "The Show About Nothing."

When the Kosovo Intervention occurred I descibed it as the ultimate realization of that same philosophy:
"The War About Nothing"

5/21/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger USMC_Vet said...

Imagine indeed, Wretchard. On this side of the pond, it's too often simply a matter of R-Bomb Bad, D-Bomb Good.

Like you, I have long chosen not to throw bones at the particular decision to intervene, as it were, in the Balkans. However, there are a numbered many who will and do quickly rise up and (not unrightly) point out the intervention in a genocide at the hands of Molsovic.

Yet, most of those same seemingly cheer at any and all bad news that can be conveyed from Iraq.

For them I rest upon three words:

Kurds. Gas. Questions?

For some, an introspective quiet will ensue.

For others, a vociferous argument attempting to forge the two parallels incongruous leaps forth.

Both elicit the same silent response from this party.

"All animals are created equal."

"Some animals are more equal than others."

Cheers for an important post requiring precious little commentary. Thanks for that.

Steve Schippert

5/21/2006 07:04:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Buddy, 6:52 PM:
Aren't you keeping up?
Bill has now come out in agreement with Algore, that the greatest threat our children and grandchildren face going forward is:
(he even wants to get back to Kyoto)
The first female President will save the children from the first threat of Astronomical Magnitude!

Algore for Secretary of the
Department of Climatological Threat Assesment!

5/21/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Anybody got links to the number of Christian Churches bombed or torched in this area by the Muzzies?

5/21/2006 07:13:00 PM  
Blogger John Samford said...

No Different. Remember this is a UN project and then UN only gives lip service to democratic principals.
That is why the UN seldom acomplishes anything. The best they can do is farm out the job to some NGO and then take a profit and the credit.
The Balkans has been a bulwark against Islam for centuries, so to try to picture the conflict there without shading in some religion is false.

5/21/2006 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger Red A said...

Imagine in 1999 if we had had to intervene in the Balkans but with the express objective of keeping Yugoslavia intact, ala Iraq.

Do you think the occupation would have been easy or more like Iraq?

5/21/2006 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger buck smith said...

There was no real opposition to the intervention in the remains of Yugoslavia

The opposition was from Russia, supporting the Serbs. That's why there was no UN resolution for intervention.

5/21/2006 07:31:00 PM  
Blogger Ticker said...

Red A,

The Iraqi constitution is expressly designed to devolve the country into homelands. This was a constitution designed by the Iraqis themselves. However, a central government is envisioned to act as custodian of certain arrangements, or treaties if you will, such as the sharing of oil revenues.

But your point is well made. It might also be fair to remember that the more justification for intervention in Yugoslavia was to prevent "ethnic cleansing" and preserve the multiethnic character of the state. How successful they have been or whether the goalposts were silently shifted is for history to record.

5/21/2006 07:32:00 PM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

But imagine for a moment if you will if this road had been obstructed at every turn by every major newspaper, network and pundit that could put ink to paper or pixels to screen. How would it be then?



5/21/2006 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"The Balkans has been a bulwark against Islam for centuries"

Perhaps we should now say:
"Had been" ?

5/21/2006 08:03:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Madame Albright would know.

5/21/2006 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"the quarrel is not really between Serbs and Croats and Bosnian Moslems and Kosovo Albanians and others, but between the modern 21st century worldview held by the people in cities and the backwater medieval worldview of the people in rural areas."
I recall the refrain from the Paris CarBQs:
"This isn't a Muslim Thing,
It's a Ghetto Thing.
As if they are necessarily mutually exclusive.

Occam fears the Muzzies too.

"entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
In this case, as in so many others, it's just simpler to leave that Muzzie Thing OUT.

5/21/2006 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Buddy 6:52 PM,
At least they've finalized the slogan for the coming Campaigns:
"If you can't do elections you might as well do erections,"

A US film featuring actors performing real sex is a "call to arms" against President George W. Bush, the director told journalists at the Cannes film festival.
"Shortbus," an explicit, largely improvised arthouse flick that includes a rendition of the American national anthem during a gay sex scene, is a direct provocation, director John Cameron Mitchell admitted.

5/21/2006 09:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The new gay les TRANSGENDER friendly REQUIREMENT for California schoolbooks not only requires that they be mentioned prominently, but that there
any negative things said about them!
Due to the size of CA's buys of schoolbooks from the few folks that get the lucrative contracts, in the past this has meant that whatever got put in for California meant that the rest of the country usually got those changes too.

Maybe EVERYBODY should be contacting Arnold asking him to do the right thing and Veto It!

5/21/2006 09:50:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Montenegro Headed For Independence After Referendum:

...Serbia and Montenegro Foreign Minister Vuk Draskovic conditionally congratulated Montenegro on its upcoming independence.

"On condition that these results are final, I congratulate citizens of Montenegro on their majority and democratic choice," he said in a statement to the Tanjug news agency. "As of tonight, not only Montenegro but Serbia, too, is on the path toward the international recognition of its independence."

Montenegro Independence

5/21/2006 10:23:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

90% Turnout.
The EU required 55% for, they got 56%, so a Slavic Algore might still take it to court.

5/21/2006 10:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

GWB's Post 9-11 America: (6 years post)
10% of Mexico's population now living in United States...
Mexico Works to Bar Non-Natives From Jobs...
Surge of volunteers expected to help illegals cross Arizona's desert...
Whata Guy!

5/21/2006 10:59:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Graph of Graft and Corruption

5/21/2006 11:18:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Good Show Starling!
Starling David Hunter continues Email Conversation with an MBA Student
at The Business of America is Business .
Professor Hunter moved on from MIT Sloan right before I arrived at MIT Sloan. I wish he hadn’t.
The Integrative Stream

5/22/2006 01:12:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

50 Taliban Rebels Are Killed in Afghanistan

5/22/2006 02:48:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

New, "Cleaned up" Textbooks
The K-12 Curriculum of Hate.
About as open-minded as CA Liberals
Our Friends, the Saudis
The House of Saud is the home of our enemy.
-Bill Hobbs

5/22/2006 04:03:00 AM  
Blogger Rune said...

I think it is wrong for Montenegro, like I thought it was wrong for Bosnia, to attempt a split on such a small majority – especially as it has been reported a large number of Montenegrineians living in Serbia (who mostly are pro-Serbian) have been barred from voting. Though I expect the time for bloodshed like in Bosnia or Kosova is now past.

5/22/2006 06:00:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

2164th in the 6:31 post marks the Left in America as mercenaries.

My take is that their geneology is:
Ludwig Feurbach who laid the groundwork for Marx and Engels work, to Lenin and the Bolsheviks.
While America is certainly not communist it is socialist in most all of it's governmental institutions. This they accomplished in the 1930's and 1940's.
Buddy Larsen their destination is the codification of more socialist laws and wealth redistribution. The are Lenin's useful idiots.

5/22/2006 06:24:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"... Authorities had refused to allow ambulances into the stricken area, according to one doctor."As soon as authorities allow us, we can move to the scene and use our ambulances to evacuate the wounded," he told AFP on condition of anonymity.

Many of the wounded sought treatment at Kandahar city's Mirwaise Hospital. One man with blood smeared over his clothes and turban said insurgents had been hiding in an Islamic religious school, or madrassa, in the village after fierce fighting in recent days.

"Helicopters bombed the madrassa and some of the Taliban ran from there and into people's homes. Then those homes were bombed," said Haji Ikhlaf, 40. "I saw 35 to 40 dead Taliban and around 50 dead or wounded civilians."

Another survivor from the village, Zurmina Bibi, who was cradling her wounded 8-month-old baby, said about 10 people were killed in her home, including three or four children.

"There were dead people everywhere," she said, crying.

A doctor, Mohammed Khan, said he had treated 10 people from the village. Moments later, a pickup vehicle pulled up at the hospital with five men lying wounded in the back.

"Oh my God, they killed my kids," wept 60-year-old Attah Mohammad in anguish, tears streaming down his silver beard. "They've killed innocent people."

Coalition warplanes started dropping bombs around midnight Sunday, he said, his shaking hands still smeared with blood."God may take my revenge on them," Mohammed said, as people gathered around him under the shade of a flowering pomegranate tree in the grounds of the hospital. "They took everyone from me," he whispered in tears.

It was not possible for reporters to reach Azizi village because police and foreign troops had blocked off the area, which is about 30 miles southwest of Kandahar.

The bombardment was reminiscent of airstrikes during the Soviet Union's 1979-1989 occupation of Afghanistan, said another survivor, who gave his name only as Abdullah.

"It was relentless," the 38-year-old said as he waited outside the hospital for word on the fate of his wounded cousin. "It was exactly the same as when the Russians were bombing us." ..."

5/22/2006 06:39:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

DR (6:39)

I'm unsure of the point of your post. Is it.
1. when bombs fall on people they get hurt, sometimes killed?
2. we are like the Soviet Union?
3. interviews with one mourning father is reason to alter warfare?
4. his Father's Day card will be late?

What gives?

5/22/2006 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

That news report from Afghanistan by the The Agence-France Press and distributed by the AP.

When the AP reports it sounds like:

"... "These sort of accidents happen during fighting, especially when the Taliban are hiding in homes," Kandahar Gov. Asadullah Khalid told reporters. "I urge people not to give shelter to the Taliban."

U.S. military spokesman Col. Tom Collins said, "It's common that the enemy fights in close to civilians as a means to protect its own forces.

"We targeted a Taliban compound and we're certain we hit the right target," he told The Associated Press. ..."

This is how a story of 16 dead and multiple wounded civilians is covered. Just sixteen dead.

That is the point. We are certain the correct target was hit.
Kandahar Gov. Asadullah Khalid says do not give shelter to the armed men in your compounds, that the killings, perhaps even the attack was an accident.
It was anything but.
It was a combat action in a war, not a Police raid or a misdirected round.
It is never reported that way.
'Cause the US will not speak to the truth of the matter, does not treat it like a War, but a SWAT raid on steroids, complete with Warants and Writs.

Instead of stating clearly that if anyone supports or shelters a terrorist, a non-uniformed combatant, they will be considered a terrorist, as well. And Targeted.

Mr Bush and his Team derided Mr JFKerry's "Plan" of treating the terrorists as criminals, while now that is what their own Policy had devolved to.

Perhaps this air raid is a signal of the renewal of decisive action by US, but most likely this was just a reactive strike, not to be repeated, innocents were killed, you know.

5/22/2006 07:32:00 AM  
Blogger Karridine said...

"It was exactly the same as when the Russians were bombing us." ..."

If you're noticing this NOW, then this kind of bombing has NOT been applied since the Americans came in; as a policy, daily, " when the Russians were bombing us..."

Maybe you can take the energy you feel, and seek way to GET THOSE TALIBAN OUT of your neighborhood!

Allowing them, tolerating them, encouraging them in any way is dangerous, as you've seen.

Americans are compassionate, and want sincerely to let children live and grow to maturity, in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world, but when Talibani run out of the target and get shelter nearby, THAT becomes dangerous for others in the shelter.

5/22/2006 07:39:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

OK, I'm with ya, I just didn't fully understand.
Heck yeah, the kill ratio of Taliban to civilian deaths was almost 4:1, good but not great.
These civilians better leaern to find the back door ASAP when the Taliban come calling for sanctuary.
I'm a big fan of the Curtis LeMay school of bombing the crap out of any and all who are in a war zone. The Afghans can go live in caves for a while until we kill more Taliban.
But it was probably a mistake and the aircrews will be court martialed for dropping bombs while flying over hostile territory.

5/22/2006 07:42:00 AM  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

Hmmm... Montenegro splitting from Serbia.

Isn't this why its called 'Balkanization'?

5/22/2006 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

In that bastion of leftism, "The Weekly Standard", Frederick W. Kagan writes A Plan for Victory in Iraq, Defeat the insurgents militarily--here's how.

Mr Kagan does not see the ascension of the Government of Mr Maliki as "Victory" no, not at all.

5/22/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Blogger What is "Occupation" said...

reminds me of the guy who kills his parents then asks for leniency from the judge...

5/22/2006 09:55:00 AM  
Blogger What is "Occupation" said...


as an orphan...

5/22/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Evanston2 said...

In addition to Wretchard's assessment, Enscout, 2164th and RWE's posts were all spot-on regarding the Serbian situation. Unfortunately for the Serbs, they are now labeled as the new Nazis and if you want international aid or support, it's best (including for Montenegro) to disassociate yourself.
The oncoming endstate is that the entire Serb nation will be more isolated and embittered than ever. Once the one-sided "peacekeeping" force leaves, it's gonna get real nasty again in Kosovo. The best strategy for the Serbs is to consolidate their people, wait for the muslims to overplay their hands (making them an unsympatheic aggressor), and then launch a no-holds-barred invasion of the whole region (kicking out every last muslim). If they're smart they'll wait approx. 1 decade and time their actions to when the international community (particularly the EU) has some other crisis that keeps NATO pinned down.
This links to the subject of our latest air raid in Afghanistan. No one can make a "clean" attack against enemies that live among civilians. Regarding the father of the dead children, I'm sorry but there are no easy solutions. Presuming he was an "innocent bystander" he could try to leave (and risk being shot) or risk staying in the village. He made his choice. It's convenient to compare us to the Russians, but he could easily make the same comparison to any conflict among warlords that have dominated the history of Afghanistan. Indiscriminate killing is their modus operandi, while at least we minimize civilian casualties. We are not responsible for a culture based on violence -- Islam -- and we can all see similar civilian casualties of Islam stretching from Nigeria in the west to the Pacific Islands in the east.
Returning to Kosovo, the Serbs will settle their scores. The Left believes that familiarity breeds understanding and tolerance. History instructs that when cultures have opposite values (spiritual life in Christendom vs. violence in Islam), familiarity breeds contempt.
We take civilization for granted here. With Memorial Day approaching, it's time to remember those who died to make it so.

5/22/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Prosecute Surviving WWII American Criminals for crimes against humanity while we were bringing assorted (small extremist minority groups of) evildoers to justice!

5/22/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

(LeMay Lives!)

5/22/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger enscout said...

wretchard said, "It's fertile field for irony. Wesley Clark. Bill Clinton. Madeleine Albright. The Europeans. This is their baby. Still stuck in the womb after seven years."

Ironic indeed that through the prism of history, it could be said that the Clinton administration bumbled into a battle that was/is part of the GWOT & STILL DON"T REALIZE THE FACT!!

Of coarse, by bombing the Serbs, they were/are on the side of the enemy.

5/22/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

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5/22/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

(non MSM) News Item #1
Bush Begins Crack Down on (other than Mexican) Illegals!
Invaders flown back to country of Origin.
(non MSM) News Item #2
Ecuadorians, Venezuelans, and etc Begin Learning Mexican National Anthem
and other paraphernalia of Mexican Culture.
(Them Gringos'll believe ANYTHING!)

5/22/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

In the 600 pages of the Senate/Admin Plan for the future of the county, dozens of crimes that apply to US Citizens will not count as crimes for the Illegals among us.

...but this is not an Amnesty,
nor is it a breakdown of respect for
Law and Order in America.

5/22/2006 11:32:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Russia, the Bear in the Balkan wood pile.
Over at the New Republic the tease story is all about Mr Putin and Russia, or is it, really?

"... No, the question is not whether Russia is headed toward democracy any more than Georgia, Ukraine, or Kyrgyzstan is headed that way. Sure, unlike Russia, Ukraine has a real parliament that (if it lasts) has the power to discipline the executive branch. But all three countries lack an independent judiciary and a genuine civil service--that is, an honest and effective state, without which democracy does not work. ..."

The rash bolding is mine, but without an effective State, when freedom is untempered by responsibility and stability ...
the boys at the New Republic could be on to a new liberal insight.
Liberty through Tyrany, just as aristide formulated for Eygpt's future, recently.
Or perhaps they have unknowingly written a premature obit for the current Iraqi structure.

This perscription to gaining democratic freedoms through their loss, it is held out only for those deserving "others" though, never for themselves.

5/22/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Mr Bush has admitted the Border out of control

The Federals say they do not have "enough beds" to hold the criminals, so they do not.

Sheriff Joe will get hundreds more GP Mediums & cots from Army Surplus, if need be. He does not descriminate, he puts everyone in the Tent City.
He's not building brick and mortar facilities, canvas fills the bill.

Good enough to bivouc the US Army, good enough for criminals.

Where there is the Will, there is a way.

But the Federal Government is still failing to control the Border, dispite the rhetoric, the flood has not abated, may not have even peaked, yet.

an honest and effective state, without which democracy does not work.

Dishonesty has broken out all over Washington and the Federals are not, as Mr Bush said in regards the border, effective.

Poor omens, to be sure.

5/22/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

But, deporting millions (as no one is calling for) is impossible.
and giving trials to 10's of Millions through agencies similar to the local DMV and the federal Judiciary, which the Government
(if we just give away the country)
IS possible!
Is Bush Rove operation really Democrat Operatives, or are they just Globalists giving away the country?

Doesn't matter, both will be accomplished.

Go Figure!
Of course it IS POSSIBLE the sun will not rise tommorrow too.

Course there are those that say it's a BRILLIANT STRATEGERY to force this down the voter's throats prior to an election.

5/22/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"both will be accomplished."
...GOP is being destroyed while country is being given away.

5/22/2006 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

But the blame is on US that protest giving away the country.
(plus we're non-COMPASSIONATE nativists)
I'm eating worms as I write to atone.

5/22/2006 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Horseshoe Bay on Lake LBJ has plenty of domestic help, yardworkers, carpenters and bricklayers, and etc.
Life is just Grand, and you don't even have to pay for the help's kids or medicine!
Very important, given the out of control price rise of fuel for private jets.
Far Enough in the Heart of Texas to Be Away
Horseshoe Bay has become a haven to do a little bit of everything — or a lot of nothing.

5/22/2006 01:27:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"There is no alternative, they declare, to the current strategy."
Boy, ain't that the truth!
(or at least the party line, fer sher)

5/22/2006 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

"Instead of stating clearly that if anyone supports or shelters a terrorist, a non-uniformed combatant, they will be considered a terrorist, as well. And Targeted."

Ideally, Rat, this is what you do. Women, children, and all. Even when the support is coerced, which it sometimes is. I have had this conversation too many times to count.

But we're well into un-war territory and I don't see any change on the horizon.

The best place by far for the enemy to reside is on the territory of a US ally (or "ally"). Couldn't pick a better place to be.

5/22/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

This is ridiculous, 'Rat:
"Countless examples, moreover, from Tal Afar to the clear-and-hold operations in the upper Euphrates before the December elections, show that there is no reason to imagine that the introduction of American forces into Sunni Arab villages would lead to uncontrollable explosions of rage. On the contrary, when overwhelming force is applied in a discriminate manner, most Iraqis, like most reasonable people, do not leap to fight it."
That kinda craps been tried over and over and found to work,
Why not come up with some new plan and strategery and TEST IT?
Sounds a lot more exciting to me, and pointy-heads can debate it 'til the cows come home.
Gives everyone something to do.
...just like government work.

5/22/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Why not call it the age of
Cowboy and Indian UNwars?
Great for self-loathers and their elite leaders.

5/22/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

We're in UNwar territory now, Tonto, RELAX!

5/22/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The cool thing is, it works just as well for domestic politics.
Love thine enemyies,

5/22/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

(I'm a nativist)

5/22/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

These links are available today on Rush's Free Site:
Lessons for McCain, Graham, Barnes and Margaret Carlson
• #1: Social Security Fraud: If Illegals Steal It, They Earn It?
• #2: GOP Won't Hold the House By Passing the Senate Bill
• #3: Graham: Screw Base Today, Win Illegal Voters Mañana

The Limbaugh Laws:
Mexico's Xenophobic Rules
• More: Carter Right?
Poll: RINOs Wrongo
Hidden Amnesty

5/22/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

80% of voters favored a photo ID requirement, with 62% favoring it strongly.
Only 7% were opposed.
Numbers that high indicate the notion has overwhelming support among all demographic and racial groups.
I'm for whatever El Presidente Bush Wants!

5/22/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Helprin and Yon will be on Hewitt:

5/22/2006 03:12:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

yep, a National ID Card, imposed under the "conservatives".
or is it the "compassionates"?

Counter migration, that's the ticket. piRat of the Caribe.

5/22/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

'Rats been on ships almost as long as they's been in the Desert!
Guess that pi could stand for Pirate, too!

5/22/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Why was there no "anti-war movement" in the 90's?

5/22/2006 03:53:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

See rwe,
D bombs Good, R bombs Bad.

5/22/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

D bombs dropped from 15k feet in the Balkans NEVER killed innocents!
(If anybody died, they were just labeled [Christian] Nazi Ethnic Cleansers)

5/22/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

There was, tony. An anti-"war" movement. On the part of conservatives against "humanitarian" intervention. Few seem to remember.

I do.

5/22/2006 04:09:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

yep, details, details.

5/22/2006 04:19:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

March 12, 1999
"...WASHINGTON, D.C.--Republican Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan today praised the 191 members of the House who opposed U.S. intervention in Kosovo by voting against the March 11 resolution to deploy 4,000 U.S. troops as part of a NATO "peacekeeping" operation.
"The U.S. has no moral mandate either for opposing the Albanian Kosovars' desire for independence or waging war on Serbia for struggling to keep its historical territory intact. This is an ethnic, religious and territorial civil war on a peninsula where America has never fought before and no vital U.S. interest is at risk. Most Americans could probably not even locate Kosovo on a map," Mr. Buchanan said.

"America is a republic," Mr. Buchanan added, "not an empire. To order U.S. soldiers into an ancient quarrel in the Balkans defies our oldest and best traditions, common sense, and the principals of a sound foreign policy. We cannot keep a peace where there is no peace." ..."

For Opposing Intervention in Kosovo

5/22/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

But the talking heads said it was a REally REally bad ethnic cleansing.
Church bombings of late are just one of those muslim thangs better left unreported.

5/22/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Just like the Mosque bombings in Iraq.

There is no quarter given for Religion

5/22/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Montenegro opts for independence:

The work in the Balkans is far from done. In Bosnia, EU peacekeepers enforce an uneasy peace between that nation's Christians and Muslims. Serbia's breakaway, Albanian-majority province of Kosovo is still under U.N. administration, after Belgrade's thwarted efforts to expel the Albanian Muslims. Its status remains unsettled and seemingly no nearer resolution.

An independent, democratic and prosperous Montenegro would bring one of modern Europe's sorriest chapters that much closer to an end.

Montenegro Independence

5/22/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur Dent said...

The truly sad aspect is that what the USA did in Afghanistan and Iraq might never happen again. Free, 'sensitive', nations will avoid backlash at home and so simply appoint/annoint a distasteful leader. Distasteful to us. Accepted and adored by those who hate - dischord and thus prefer the picture they see in their mind. Pictures like North Korea, East Germany, Vietnam after the US left, Tibet (free it, with belief. Not with matter or energy, never with dirty hands).

5/22/2006 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...


Yeah, that was me, I was the one guy in front of traffic screaming "Stop the Bombing" during our unilateral COINO (Cost Is No Object) style of war against Serbia.

I'm assuming you use quotes around "humanitarian" because you know the purported "genocide" we were supposed to be stopping had ended a few years prior, back where it happened in Bosnia, under UN supervision. There was no genocide in Kosovo when we spent every Cruise missile, stealth fighter mission and whatever else we had in the armory.
Air strikes against Yugoslavia, March 24 – June 20, 1999 – should have gone against Al Qaeda

Why didn't we shoot them at Afghanistan, our actual declared enemy's homeland? After Al Qaeda blow up TWO of our EMBASSIES for God's sake, and openly gloated about it ... we counter-attacked for what ... a couple of hours?

Compared to that response, what the hell must the Former Yugoslavia have done to piss us off?

Our intentions were good in 99 topplilng Serbia's military dictator, but stopping genocide counts for naught in Iraq. No WMD's, no 9/11 connections to Saddam, y'know.

What the hell must Serbia have done to warrant such griefless warmongering from the Progressives?

Ahhh, moral consistency, it's just so limiting.

5/22/2006 05:18:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur Dent said...

March 12, 1999

Des. Is there a delay?


The biggest problem with B is that he straddles the fence and never says what he would do. It is far too easy to complain. B is not, and never was, a leader. He's Helen T. in men's clothes.

5/22/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Helprin says many defense programs below Clinton levels.
(savings more than made up for by domestic spending, of course)
Yon says we don't have enough men on the ground in Afghanistan, 6 attacks since he's been there.
Heroin addiction up here, 90% grown there.
Has a new post up today.
Top Sergeant serving Casey putting out the call for More reporters needed in Iraq:
Yon offering all his gear for someone to use while he's busy writing book.
Says not really enough men, moving them around (same as Kagan) but progress is being made.
Kurilla is taking over 2nd Rangers after miraculous recovery.

5/22/2006 05:35:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Just thought I was helping tony find that '90's antiWar movement.

Of all the possible Presidental candidates, Mr B was the best conservative CNN could find.
That's why they are not doing so well, vis a vie FOX News.

But then the "da Vinci Code" is just off the all time Box Office pace, out of the gate, only Star Wars 3 has 'em by a historical nose. We'll be seeing how Tom Hanks & Ron "Opie" Howard do down the stretch with their fictional bloodline story.
Unlike Mel Gibson's movie about the death of Jesus, the "Code" is not having tickets sold, wholesale, to churchs.

5/22/2006 05:36:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Self-Loathing Christians eat that stuff up!

...they argued, with Medved, the Jew, who says it is RELENTLESSLY Anti Christian.

Well worth Sony's $300 mil, I'd say:
Them self-loathers'll buy anything.
(even buy tickets for the kids)
I'm having my skin dyed brown.

5/22/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Interesting search on "B" Norks, etc etc
Back when Terrorism was to become (in 2000, not shown here)
"The greatest threat in the New Millenium."

All that's changed now: IT'S GLOBAL WARMING!

5/22/2006 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"A possible narco-Marxist Colombia or terrorist-prone Pakistan Central Asian regimes will search for stronger collaborators just as their predecessors have.
What seems unlikely is that small pariahs will for long ignore the safety and material benefits that powerful patrons provide

5/22/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

"Compared to that response, what the hell must the Former Yugoslavia have done to piss us off?"

Ummm...been the oft-reported starting point of one world war.

And we were bored.

And the Albanians had REALLY good PR.

5/22/2006 06:18:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Global chess envisions a return to great power tactics that compel concessions without head-on confrontation with the world’s most powerful state.

China and Russia, for example, can exportadvanced ballistic missile or nuclear technology to North Korea, Iran or Iraq.

These transfers threaten US interests and friends in their respective regions. These actions fall short of a directchallenge to Washington but do put it on notice.
The Kremlin can even the political score for the US bombing of its ally Serbia during the Kosovo air campaign or for NATO expansion eastward.

5/22/2006 06:18:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Never mind the Balkans:

Over 65 years ago, on the eve of the attack on Yugoslavia by the Axis powers, the Serbian jurist Slobodan Jovanovic argued that a single, south Slav state was the best way the people of the Balkans could guarantee their independence and protection. It still is - and that logic seems likely to make itself felt in the years to come.

When the victory parades are over, the only real difference Sunday's narrow vote will make is that Montenegro will be able enter Eurovision.

The Balkans

5/22/2006 06:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Gee, maybe C-4 read it there.
(I had not read it:
Just looked at it from Pootie's perspective, and Voila!)

5/22/2006 06:22:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

" Baghdad dispatched officials to help Serbia weather the Kosovo bombing campaign.
According to press accounts,Serbia even permitted North Koreans to observe the NATO bombing in order to prepare their country for a potentially similar conflict.

5/22/2006 06:50:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Clinton in 2000:
Terror Is Greatest Threat EIB Nexis-Lexis research produces...

5/22/2006 06:58:00 PM  

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