Thursday, May 04, 2006

Be careful what you want

Israel intends to redefine its borders in ways that are now starting to become clear.

May 4, 2006 (FIND Inc. delivered by Newstex) -- DATELINE: Jerusalem Israel's incoming prime minister, Ehud Olmert, says his country's new borders will be significantly different from its current boundaries. Presenting his new government to the Knesset, Israel's parliament, Ehud Olmert says Israel needs to get rid of numerous isolated settlements in the West Bank as part of his plan to redraw Israel's borders in the next four years. Olmert says while Israel will pull back from numerous settlements in the West Bank he intends to hold onto several large settlement blocs that are currently home to tens of thousands of Israelis. He says he hopes to work with Palestinians through the road map peace plan to draw Israel's final borders with the Palestinians, but if that fails his government will act unilaterally.

The Big Pharaoh links to a Yahoo news story which suggests that Olmert is, among other things, prepared to divide Jerusalem. The Big Pharaoh hears echoes of the "Clinton peace plan for Jerusalem ... If a previous Israeli leader (Ehud Barak) accepted a deal on Jerusalem in the past, there is no reason to think Olmert won't do the same thing in the future provided the Palestinians would do themselves, the world, and me a favor and not repeat what their dead leader did back in Camp David." The Yahoo story describes the proposed division of Jerusalem in this way:

Most of Jerusalem's Arab neighborhoods would go to the Palestinians, he said. "Those same neighborhoods will, in my assessment, be central to the makeup of the Palestinian capital ... al-Quds," Schneller said, calling Jerusalem by its Arabic name. Israel would keep Jerusalem's Old City with its shrines sacred to Jews, Muslims and Christians alike — an unacceptable plan to Palestinians, particularly if carried out unilaterally. Still, with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert determined to draw Israel's final borders by 2010, likely without waiting for Palestinian agreement, a division of Jerusalem looks realistic for the first time.

The American Thinker examines these developments from the context presented by Caroline Glick, who authored a paper at the Center for Security Policy describing Israeli PM Olmert's "Convergence plan" to redraw that nation's borders.

Glick argues in her paper published by the Center for Security Policy in Washington D.C., that the Gaza withdrawal has been a security disaster for Israel, and for its ostensibly pro-American neighbors (Egypt and Jordan, in particular).

Then she goes on to argue that Olmert's future plan for the West Bank will replicate the Gaza disaster on a much larger scale.

Glick argues that this second Israeli disengagement, from an area almost 20 times the size of Gaza, would be viewed and broadcast by the jihadist forces as a huge victory over both Israel and the United States. It would also serve as a major recruiting tool for their efforts to destroy Israel, overthrow Arab governments in the Middle East, drive the US from Iraq, and undermine Western nations in Europe, and other continents.

Now here comes the curve ball. Glick asks whether it is the American interest to get aboard this train wreck. The American Thinker continues:

Glick argues forcefully, that it is ... in America’s national interest to have the Olmert plan shelved. For one thing, the withdrawal will threaten both Egypt and Jordan, two countries in which the US has invested substantial political support and foreign aid. And behind the scenes, both Egypt and Jordan are trying to kill the Olmert plan. Neither of them wants a more powerful Hamas-run government operating freely in the West Bank, motivating and facilitating the efforts by Islamic radicals and Palestinian terrorists in both countries to step up the pressure on their regimes. ...

In essence, Glick is hoping that Bush will protect Israel from its own leader’s misguided plan. Since Olmert is coming to seek significant US financial support, as well as political support from the President, the issue is not as straightforward as the Gaza withdrawal last summer. ... And here is where it gets very tricky. It is difficult, if not impossible, for an American President to stand to the right of the Israeli Prime Minister and tell him not to withdraw from territories that most of the world (including our State Department) views as illegally occupied. American Presidents, prior to Bush, all gratefully acceded to any request for support from an Israeli prime minister (usually, though not always, from the left or center left), who was willing to negotiate with Arab countries, or the Palestinians, or offered to withdraw from territory captured in the Six Day War.

In From the Cold has noticed a related subplot which is probably part of the larger context of the Olmert visit: an unprecedented visit by the head of the Mossad to warn Washington that the Iranians are further ahead in their nuclear program than is publicly acknowledged.

Kudos to Rick Moran at RightWing Nuthouse, for his timely insights on recent meetings between the head of Israel's Mossad, and his counterparts in Washington. As Rick observes, last week's sessions are remarkable in a couple of respects. First of all, it is worth noting that the new Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, sent his spy chief (Meir Dagan) to Washington, setting the stage for his meeting with President Bush later this month. It is also remarkable that "news" about the meeting apparently came from Israeli sources--and not the U.S. intelligence community--suggesting that the recent "anti-leak" campaign is having some success. ...

According to the Sunday Times of London, the Mossad now believes that the Iranians have covert uranium enrichment sites, in addition to their "declared" facilities. That would allow Tehran to continue its pursuit of nuclear weapons, while officially "suspending" enrichment activities, possibly to avoid UN sanctions or military strikes. It's a possibility that we've covered on numerous occasions, and it certainly can't be discounted now. ...

According to the Israelis, Iran is much further ahead in its nuclear efforts than previously believed, and could be within one year of having an atomic bomb. By comparison, some U.S. observers believe Iran is three to six years away from nuclear weapons, and at least one official estimate puts the timetable at closer to a decade.

Dagan's message to the U.S. was apparently terse and serious: here's what we know about the Iranian program, and we're prepared to act if you don't. If media reports are accurate, the reaction from American officials reflected concern, but not panic. According to the Times, the U.S. reportedly plans to raise the issue at the G8 Summit in July, if the UNSC fails to act in the interim. That approach suggests that Washington still favors the diplomatic track, and believes it has time for more negotiation before military action might be necessary. It's a gamble that appears increasingly uncomfortable for the new Israeli government.


Whether or not one is willing to accept Caroline Glick's analysis that a withdrawal from the West Bank will be a Gaza disaster twenty times bigger; whether or not one is willing to believe the West Bank will be to Jordan what Gaza has been to the Egyptian Sinai, it is probably safe to assert that a unilateral redrawing of Israel's borders will have regional consequences and probably global ones as well. By threatening to hunker down inside his borders, Olmert will effectively turn the Palestinian problem inside out: it is Egypt, Jordan and Syria that must face the prospect of sharing frontiers with a new terrorist-infested state without the protection of Israel-style fence. After decades of being forced to accept Palestinian nationhood, Israel is paying its neighbors back in their own coin. By shutting itself in it is radiating the Dream of Palestine out. And whether or not Israel can rest securely behind its fortifications, Glick is probably correct in saying that the Olmert withdrawal will threaten both Egypt and Jordan;  as well as create (in my view) an immense financial burden for the UN and the European Union. The Palestinian Dream could only be soothingly regarded as long as it was imagined within Israel. Outside of Israel it became the Arab Nightmare.

And here, perhaps, is where the Mullahs in Teheran will help Olmert out of a jam. With Meir Dagan darkly hinting that Iran is perhaps only a year a way from a nuclear weapon, not only the US but the Sunni nations of the Middle East are suddenly reminded of their need for the services of Israel's military and intelligence capability in dealing with the Mullahs. Surely under such circumstances it would be churlish of them to stand in the way of Israel's desire to redraw its own borders. Dagan gave America a peek at Israel's hole card. And Ehud Olmert may not be shy about playing it when he comes to Washington.

To the old saw that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict stands at heart of instability in Middle East must be added another; that at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict lies the toxic politics of the Middle East. The two are inextricably linked; there can be no sequential solution to a problem which must essentially be solved in parallel. As Caroline Glick concludes in her paper:

There are a number of alternative policies that Israel could advance that would have a greater possibility of realizing a just and durable peace between Israel and its neighbors, increasing the stability of Israeli society, strengthening the Hashemite regime and weakening terror-supporting regimes like Iran and Syria while defeating their terror clients in the West Bank and Gaza. These alternative policies would enhance the political influence of the moderate elements in Palestinian society at the expense of forces like Hamas and Fatah. All of these policies, however, require Israel to acknowledge that it is not the only dynamic force in the region – and an acknowledgement by both Israel and the United States that their fortunes in the Global War on Terror are directly linked.

Olmert may not be able to opt out of the world and the world may not be able to opt out of Israel. His visit to Washington will be worth watching.


Blogger Habu_1 said...

Only one thing stands between peace and war in the ME and now globally. It is a book. It is unforgiving in nature and execution. It's followers are for the most part ignorant,poor, and mislead .... but it is the book that is the prime mover of this chaos. To talk of peace is only that. The book says so. There can be no trust, there can be no peace.
The Quran is as evil a screed as anything ever conceived by the mind of man.

5/04/2006 07:17:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...

We obviously have a G-d that unleashes events in ways no mortal could ever have imagined.

5/04/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger M. Simon said...

I think the key here is that if Egyptians and Jordanians are killing Stupidstinians by the boat load - no one will care.

BTW Glick is perceptive. She is no strategic thinker.

5/04/2006 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"These alternative policies would enhance the political influence of the moderate elements in Palestinian society at the expense of forces like Hamas and Fatah."
She may not be a strategic thinker, but she sure can dream!
Doug's road map would cut off UN Funding.

5/04/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger Boghie said...

Thangs is gettin' all shook up...

Let's see how thangs pan out...

I wonder if 'the wall' could focus the joyous Palestinians north into Syria. If I were Jordan I would start a grand national work program and race Israel for wall completion... I think it would be smart for Jordan to 'trade land for peace', eh...

Personally, I think Israel will discount America in the end... The next President could be as feckless as Clinton and Carter. Does anybody want to count on that - the Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese???

5/04/2006 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"without the protection of Israel-style fence"
Stupid Israelis:
Don't they know fences don't work?
(and are evil besides)
Just ask the wise old Sages in the US Senate.
...or the "World Community"

5/04/2006 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...


Am I mistaken or do Syria and Jordon not have considerable "Palistinian" refugee populations - along with Lebanon?

They have been swept under the rug by the left in their attempts to rewrite history - making sure Israel and US are the bad guys.

5/04/2006 07:54:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

Afghan militant says he wants to join battle led by Bin Laden:

A senior editor at Al-Jazeera said the channel received the tape on Thursday and believed it was recorded in late April. The editor, who spoke on condition of anonymity as his statement was not authorized, declined to say how and where the station received the tape.

Hekmatyar, who has not issued a videotape since 2004, spoke against a plain gray backdrop with an automatic rifle leaning against the wall beside him.

Afghan Militant

5/04/2006 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger enscout said...

My point being - see 7:59 post - it seems like Abdullah and Bashar would welcome the move in order to rid themselves of their own unwanted populations of Pali's.


5/04/2006 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 7:38 PM - World Community

Hey, that's Dr. Rice's "world community", and don't you forget it. You probably thought that the passing of Fred Roger's was the end of an era. Wrong! WON'T YOU BE MY NEIGHBOR!!!

5/04/2006 08:13:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 8:12 PM - "rid themselves of their own unwanted populations of Pali's."

The most difficult part of riding a tiger is the dismount. This is where Syria and Jordan now find themselves.

From their respective fathers, both Bashar and Hussein have inherited a monster. And while each may wish to forget the name of Frankenstein, the beast will not forget them and its dream of a greater Palestine.

5/04/2006 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

The ME problem is intractable as the world is currently composed.
It will take another world war, which we are in the "phony phase" of now to solve.
Mathematicians will sooner "Square the Circle" than diplomats will negotiate a permanent ME settlement.
Since I would much prefer the rubble bounce in the Muslim countries I say, bombs away.

5/04/2006 08:27:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, a beautiful day if you'll be good, I promise, yes, I promise!
Honest Injun.

5/04/2006 08:29:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

re: Frankenstine (I forget Brook's spelling)
"Do you think that I am crazy to see your Doctor Frankeinstein," Moussaoui asks in an apparent reference to Brinkema's recent announcement that she would further consider the question of his competency.
"Leonie Brinkema, Your Mentally Sick"
(what did he expect? she's a Clinonista Liberal!)

5/04/2006 08:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...


5/04/2006 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger Boghie said...

Geeze Habu,

"Since I would much prefer the rubble bounce in the Muslim countries I say, bombs away."

What have the Islamofascists ever done to you...

Excepting the rare instances of:
Iranian Hostage Taking
Beruit Hostage Taking
Beruit Embassy Bombing
Beruit Barracks Bombing
Achilles Laurel
Pan Am Flight 103
Palestinian Freedom Fighting
Black September
Jordanian Freedom Fighting
African Embassy Bombings
1st World Trade Center Bombing
2nd World Trade Center Bombing
Pentagon Bombing
Flight 93
Cole Bombing

And a host of other rare and insignificant examples of colateral and apparently acceptable casualties - at least acceptable before BusHitler!

5/04/2006 08:44:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

You know we need a song to go with the Danish cartoons.

Something to the tune of the Twelve Days of Christmas..

On the first day the Mahdi was born in Me-di-na ..tweedle dum
On the second day the Mahdi was found to have a dad,la,la

Music soothe the savage beast ..rock on bro..

5/04/2006 08:45:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

so righteous my man. i mean i guess i've just lost all perspective on what constitutes hostile action..
Well maybe if we all add a verse to my song and get Michael Jackson to sing it with a chorus of Allah bangers in the background we can get to the peace and tranquility we all want.

5/04/2006 08:49:00 PM  
Blogger Boghie said...

Personally, I like the

‘Mawkish Murtha’ song sung to the toon of 'Brave Sir Robin' by Monte Python...

But, I have to consider your toon as well. Has a nice ring to it...

Christmassy in an odd, very odd, way...

The most striking thing about the Israeli pullout and shaped charge border enforcement is how it affects those who initiated the conflict. Unbridled hate is hard to control.

One benefit of these malignant barbarians seeping back into the living quarters of their creators is that resources will have to be expended to deal with them. Resources that cannot be used to attack Americans, Israelis, and the soft European underbelly… Iran, Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia will have less to spend on madrassas and virulent mosques because they will have to spend more on self-defense from their progeny…

5/04/2006 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

"Rock'in 'round the Kaaba"

Chorus sings..
Qu-ran Quran,Quran
Qu-ran, Quran, Quran...

It's so fine, it's really divine, that big ole cube over there
the one Kaaba that we all swear
Qu-ran, Quran
It's so big and black, and built like a stack, makes me hunger for mo
gimme a goat shake fo shuria (sure)

I know NASCAR fans are gonna love it.

5/04/2006 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

This is garden variety real politic. The Palestinians have repeatedly demonstrated that they are incapable of negotiating in good faith and refuse to abandon their infantile fantasies of genociding the Jews. As a human being, I find this level of stupidity down right embarrassing (believe it or not, Palestinians are also human beings).

The Palestinians are too mumerous to drive away. The Israelis are too moral to exterminate them. Building a wall along defensible borders is Israel's only option. Of course, the Palestinians will shoot Katusha and Qassam missiles over the wall. Naturally, the Israelis will respond by blasting the launch sites along with anything nearby. Following standard operating procedure, the Palestinians will establish their launch sites next to orphanages, hospitals, retirement homes, etc. Blowing away helpless kids and old people will initially cause the Israelis some anxiety but with time they'll get used to it.

Don't you love the Middle East?

5/04/2006 09:09:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

I can’t believe what I am reading. Iowahawk reports that the “Zionist attack clowns” have again been released by Mossad, this time to attack Juan Williams. Strike that, I meant to say Professor Juan Cole. Embarrassingly, this is happening just prior to an American-Israeli conference.

The Zionist attack clowns, despite being able to bend spoons and manipulate ductile American presidents with thought waves (to a far lesser degree an inherent Jewish trait apparent in neo-conservatives, as well) Professor Cole is proving a hard nut to crack (I assure you, “nut” was not a crack). Nevertheless, just as with Abu Ammar (aka “Lightning” to his mincing blond bodyguards), Professor Cole will succumb as has President Ahmadinejad (Yes, I know, you thought him merely another Islamist nutter – not so – it’s the clowns making him do it.)

So, once more the world inexorably is being pulled into a conflagration by those clowns the Zionists. After the assassination, no, I mean untimely demise of Nobel laureate Yasser Arafat, the Mossad promised the Elders that the attack clowns would never again see light of day. Now, I wonder what that meant.

5/04/2006 09:09:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Salmon Rushtie to the white courtesy phone ...

I don't think they'll lack for resources. The Russians and the Chinese will see to that.

I think we just need a big group hug and hot toddy and this will all clear up.

5/04/2006 09:14:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

you mean THE zionist attack clowns?
great mother of all lactaid..

i thought they had a gig at the Ballagio next week..i got tickets

eggplant...this garden ..hydroponic or no?

5/04/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 9:09 PM - "Palestinians are also human beings"

As in Homo sapiens, or Homo sapiens sapiens, or Ecce Homo, or ecce Adam?

5/04/2006 09:33:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Allen said...

"As in Homo sapiens, or Homo sapiens sapiens, or Ecce Homo, or ecce Adam?"

I think "Ecce Homo" is closest....

..still embarrassing to be of the same species...

5/04/2006 09:40:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

look allen..
i can't speak for eggplant but they're people just like you and me. They have webbed fingers and toes ,just like us, AK-47's and C-4 plastic just like us..
BUT they do have a third eye in the perineum which causes them to have a 'tood.
sorry eggplant i know you had the keyboard but the drugs just kicked in and i had to dance...

5/04/2006 09:41:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 9:22 PM - The zionist attack clowns

Could be. Will Pandora's Box be the warm-up act? What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

5/04/2006 09:43:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Well, about time to call it a day. One more beer, a smoke, and sweet thoughts of the Doom of the Crock.

Happy trails (or trials to Judge Brinkema)

5/04/2006 09:49:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

oh yeah somebody's box, i guess Pandora will be warm'im up in my suite...
ok everybody sing..

Qu-ran,quran..qu-ran,quran it's such swine,...
qu-ran quran...
I think if i keep this up we can draw OBL out into the open on his sat phone..then ...Qu-ran is suddenly La la la BOMBA

5/04/2006 09:49:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

I vote homo floresiensis--or there abouts--morally/ehically about the right size--just got back from viewing United 93. Recommended. Night.

5/04/2006 09:50:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

well habu , it's just you and happy entrails all you Allah hustlers

5/04/2006 09:51:00 PM  
Blogger USMC_Vet said...

Superb post, W.



5/04/2006 10:00:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"The Zionist attack clowns, despite being able to bend spoons and manipulate ductile American presidents with thought waves..."
Is that what Karridine is talking about when he mentions Brain Surgery with Spoons?
He's inside Coles Cranium now, via Iowahawk.

5/04/2006 10:11:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

That USMC guy is also a Belmont Vet, but too modest to mention it.

5/04/2006 10:13:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

working on the lyrics to:

Gog and MaGog .... i'm think'in maybe a Bob Marley thing. Too bad Hendrix is gone we could get a damn good rift..VooDoo Gog

Layla MaGog ..all wrong...I got it..Sea Islands of South Carolina we do a Gullah Gog with the GoG-Father of Soul, James Brown.
"I feel Gog doodle-oodle-oodle-do"
maybe Sir-Mix-ALot..Baby got Gog, momma got MaGog...
what do you think Habu_1?

5/04/2006 10:58:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

well since you asked...
The whole Gog/Magog thing is way to esoteric..
hell, wikipedia's burn'in up right now gett'in folk's up to speed...
but,but..remember if Sam the Sham can do Wholly Bully then gotta be sump'in dun wit Gog/MaGog...just work it dog...
what do you think Habu_1?

5/04/2006 11:06:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

well since you're hump'in this blog load go boy...

OK,OK ... Jenna Jameson Gog/MaGog Gag ...don't even go there you are abus'in this thing.

Talk about String Theory or something very im port ant.
jews vs arabs ... be done to death...
Vanilla Ice did he rip David Bowie?

5/04/2006 11:14:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...


5/04/2006 11:16:00 PM  
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5/04/2006 11:20:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

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5/04/2006 11:30:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

A one state solution is the only way. Otherwise, the bloodshed will never end.

Eichmann in Jerusalem wasn't that long ago and now Israel and Palestine have become the Lodz Ghetto revisited?

The Banality of Evil takes on many forms and guises.

Insanity. Pure and simple. And anyone who supports this illegal 'separation wall' in Palestine and the illegal war of aggression and Occupation in Iraq needs to have his head examined or is on severely blunting medication. End of story.

The 'Separation Wall' is not in Palestine.

The 'Green Zone' is not in Baghdad.

5/04/2006 11:36:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Veni, Vidi, Eff’adisi.

It is clear that all the modern components of communication, cheap travel and open borders have exasperated existing ethnic tensions and conflicts in most parts of the world. A rapidly growing population either by immigration or birthrate is alarming to the self identity of "original" groups be they in Arizona or Israel. There is an irony that American politicians accept the need and justification for a wall in the ME but none for Arizona. I understand why I would want a wall of separation if I were in Israel. I think I understand why the Sunnis are wary of the Shia and Taiwanese against the Mainland Chinese. People have argued on these pages about US interest in Darfur and the European capitulation to the advance of Islamism in Europe. What is one to conclude over all these conflicts and what if anything should the US do?

Should the US continue to engage itself in an ever growing and increasingly toxic cauldron of ethnic rivalries? The answer is no. The US electorate can barely tolerate the current mess in Iraq. There is a political limit. It comes to a simplistic test and question. How will it affect the people in Cincinnati, Ohio? All of them, not just any one particular ethnic lobby or interest group de jour. Offended interests groups are a growth industry in Washington. They are getting offended even before they become legal. Part of the efforts of the offended is to maximize their influence by appealing to broad popular causes and there is probably merit to all their claims in one way or another. Of course it is in Israel's interest to find US interests in a cause against jihad, or Iran or Hamas or Saddam and WMD. The very existence of Israel as a state is in play. That is their bad luck and misfortune. It is not the misfortune of Cincinnati, Ohio to be affected by how Jerusalem gets divided. Of course our politicians can come up with justifications of why we should and why we should not be involved anywhere. There are limits in life. Now I propose a cautious question.

If Israel has made a decision that it is in their national interest to give up on integration and isolate itself from the Palestinians, are they not declaring that integration is hopeless? Israel is declaring a limit to what it can tolerate and exist as a state. It is time for American politicians to do the same. The US must accept the limits of its ability to control world events and human behavior. No sovereign state can have permanent friends. The US cannot become hostage to the Hispanic lobby, the Israeli lobby, the oil lobby or the English lobby or it ceases to be The United States of America. The ME is beyond the political ability of the US to control. Islam is an incurable religious flu of human thought. It gets into the brain, calcifies and scars over sanity and rational thinking. Instead of spinning the dreidel or writing Christmas cards, they beat themselves over the head with bicycle chains. We need to build our own political wall, a barrier and a line that represents solely defensible American interests. We have to get un-hooked from oil, and learn to not get involved in every conflict regarding the Islamic world. They have to sort out their own mess and that includes Israel. There may come a time where we have to issue every Israeli an American passport and let them make their own choice. The demographics may have overwhelmed Israel as may be happening in the American southwest. The US is lucky in that most of the immigrants can assimilate with no chance of that happening in Israel. The Palestinians could be the wealthiest non-oil Arab country in the ME but instead they would rather blow themselves to pieces to kill Jews and stay poor. Israel is capable of defending Israel. For America as it once was for a famous Roman, it is time to say,” “Veni, Vidi, Eff’adisi.” and leave.

5/05/2006 01:15:00 AM  
Blogger John Samford said...

URL to the British white paper of 1939, which was that last "contract" trandferring title of the land from Britian to Israel (palestine). While written in the normal, vague, contradictory langauge of diplomacy, one thing is perfectly clear.
"His Majesty's Government regret the misunderstandings which have arisen as regards some of the phrases used. For their part they can only adhere, for the reasons given by their representatives in the Report, to the view that the whole of Palestine west of Jordan was excluded from Sir Henry McMahon's pledge, and they therefore cannot agree that the McMahon correspondence forms a just basis for the claim that Palestine should be converted into an Arab State."
So the issue of an arab state of Palestine was settled BY THE OWNERS pryor to transfer of title.
Notice the Phrase "whole of Palestine west of Jordan". This would lead an unbiased observer to conclude that the West Bank was deeded to Israel, and that the West Bank is NOT occupied terrority, but rather Israel terrority that was recovered from the Arabs after they siezed it in the battles of '48.
The UN requested a legal opinion early in Koffi's reign. It was buried in a desk someplace because it stated that title to the land in question was held by Israel.
This is complicated somewhat by the fact that before 1949, taking land by force of arms was a normal and 'legal' means of gaining terrority. After the UN Charter, it wasn't (unless of course, you are a permanent member of the security council and the land is question is small and mountainous, with no OIL resources). So for the Arabs to steal land in '48 was legal, but for the Jews to steal it back in '67 wasn't.
I submit that the Issue of Palestine is disinformation and part of a disguised plan to destroy Israel thru non-military means. As farther conformation, I would like to point out that there was NO attempt by either Jordan nor Egypt to establish a seperate state of Palestine while the lands in question were under their control.

5/05/2006 04:58:00 AM  
Blogger Karridine said...

"The Quran is as evil a screed as anything ever conceived by the mind of man."

I can agree with this, inasmuch as the educated among its followers have chosen to DISREGARD the embedded prophecies, signs and traditions written into it, which obviously point to The Bab and Baha'u'llah.

The Muslim CLERGY'S REFUSAL to acknowledge God's update and further revelation of the Will of God, precipitates the current turmoil and strife and sectarianism we experience.

In their choosing to 'scoff and deny our Lord Who redeems us' has returned, (II Peter 2:1) they engage in a 'damnable heresy' that endangers ALL of us, and shows a remarkable similarity to Christian clergy's scoffing denial of Christ's Return, DESPITE what Jesus predicted!

5/05/2006 04:59:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

...and while the band plays Sousa Marches in the ME no one is looking at what is happening outside the back door. "Sure are a lot of Injuns wearing red berets....." Look at this:

Headline Story | Friday, May 5, 2006

Who's losing Latin America?

(Washington, D.C.): Millions of illegal immigrants are marching in America's streets and boycotting jobs, schools and merchants. Their explicit purpose is to blackmail our government into granting rights to which they are not entitled.

These activities demonstrate two realities: First, life is good in this country and the opportunities for economic advancement are extraordinary for those willing to work hard.

Second, life is typically not so good in Mexico and the other Latin American nations from which these illegal aliens principally come. Unfortunately, if present political, economic and social trends continue south of our border, there will likely be many more immigrants coming here unlawfully in search of better lives, and to flee increasingly hard ones in their own countries.

5/05/2006 04:59:00 AM  
Blogger John Samford said...

Dr. Z.
Anyone who has forgotten the way that dudes tie was flapping as he plunged 110 stories from the WTC to avoid being burned to a crisp, or the Islamic murders machine gunning children as they fled their burning elementary school needs their head examined. AFTER removal. No, Moooslims started this fight, but sure as bitches squat to pee, WE WILL finish it. And it will be over when We say it is NOT before. Eventually, we will nuke mecca and a few dozen of the largest Islamic cities. I'm not advocating this, just predicting it.
Mossad says the CIA is way wrong about the timw table for Iranian nukes, They say Months, not years. Before the November elections here in the states. I don't know about youse guys, but I'll take Mossad over the CIA 99 out of 100 times.

5/05/2006 05:14:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 4:59 AM - "Millions of illegal immigrants are marching in America's streets and boycotting jobs, schools and merchants"

This simply cannot be true, according to both Senator Frist and President Bush. As everyone in government knows, these "Millions of illegal immigrants" are "living in the shadows." The Senator and the President intend, over the next few weeks, to relieve the anxiety of Les Misérables by completely eliminating that 1:100,000 chance of deportation.

“Everyone is entitled to live the American dream,” says the President. If true, there are about four billion people in the queue. I smell a housing boom.

To accept on its face the quote you submit would require of me the abrogation of faith in compassionate Republicanism. This is a slippery slope. Why, such an abandonment of blind faith would, then, sow seeds of doubt as to the validity of other Republican sacred cows, e.g. foreign policy.

So, like Senator Frist and Mr. Bush, I whistle in your face. There is no 800 lb. gorilla in the living room! Trouble me no more, with your vigilant lore of a Gringo yore.

5/05/2006 05:33:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

john samford,

Your 5:14 AM - I'll take Mossad over the CIA

And, never, ever, sell short those Zionist attack clowns. - Juan Cole, the First Draft -

Rather than nuking Mecca (and Medina, for that matter) I hope for its management to be returned to the previous owners - the Hashemites.

Ms. McCarthy's CIA in error, you're kidding, right?

5/05/2006 05:45:00 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

And so Olmert and the Israeli left, soft or hard, would send Israel the way of the Crusader states, the Outremere. The Sandpeople will have more to ruin. May they finally provoke the war that will destroy them. Their culture is as blighted as the lands that gave it birth. "Containment" will presently have to get much more active than it already is. Foolish provokers. Modernity will never be kind to them, and it is their own goddamn fault.

5/05/2006 05:55:00 AM  
Blogger Karridine said...

I've already posted an MP3 of 'First Draft' at BrainSurgeryWithSpoons

And while we're on the subject of Illegal Aliens Blackmailing, it seems like Jordyptian Aliens outside Israel and multitudes of aliens round the world, ALL want the American Dream, just without that icky 'American' part!

5/05/2006 06:28:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

In all reality, it don't mean nothin'

Israel is what, a few million expat Euros living & loving in Arabia.
Claim of Title from God, not likely.
Claim of Title from 1948, a bit more tangible, but only if it is from a valid, previous, owner.
The Brits never had a valid title to transfer. But then they claimed Title to half the World by force of arms.
Title was fleeting, without that Force. Even in the Malvinas, the Falklands, for you few remaining English only speakers.

dr zaius is correct, there can only be a one state solution to the problem, without ever more Euro expats, Israel is doomed.
Democgraphics will win in the end, Just look to California or France.

The reconquest is underway, the Mexicans have waited 100 years for the opportunity to reclaim Atzland, Mr Bush is ignoring the asymetric threat to US.

Mr Olmert may try to stem the demographic tide, he'll fail.
His folks are not competitive breeders.
That is the bottom line.

5/05/2006 06:40:00 AM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

Palestine has been, is, and will continue to be a festering, infectious sore until one or more of the established bordering countries incorporate Gaza and the West Bank.

Palestine is the perpetual perfect storm for every Arab king-wannabe. A built in, testosterone rich breeding ground of losers with a chip on their shoulder. If the local coterie of majesties, shieks and mullahs didn't hold onto hope of payback for the ignominy they've suffered from a handful of Jews they'd have killed off Palestinian poseurs like Arafat years ago.

Giving up Gaza settlements hasn't been any more or less of a disaster for Israel than keeping them. Same with the West Bank. For any number of reasons, the chief of which is a cultural imperative to "do no harm" the Israelis will never make an abbatoir of the territory. Pulling back and putting up walls is just the physical manifestation of the Israeli intent to wait it out - for 100 years if necessary.

My definition of the end of the GWOT is the construction of an Israeli dude ranch in the Bekka Valley. That ain't happening anytime soon.

5/05/2006 07:09:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Your 6:40 AM - Mr Olmert - His folks are not competitive breeders.

That is not entirely true.

Total Fertility Rate (TFR)

_The Jewish non-religious group of both ethnicities
(67 per cent-70 per cent) with TFR of 2.0-2.2

_The Arab Christian population (2 per cent) with TFR of 2.6

_Arab Moslems and Druze (16 per cent) with TFR of 4.0

_The Jewish ultra-orthodox, and the National Orthodox
(12 per cent-15 per cent) with TFR 6.0-7.0

_Israel’s overall TFR 2.9

Unless the enlightened State Department, under the superb leadership of Dr. Rice forces Israel to opt for the La Raza model, Israel will, within a generation, have no significant demographic problem, save overcrowding, perhaps.

5/05/2006 07:14:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Even Charles Krauthammer can see the writing on the Wall.

" ... Last week, Bernard Lewis, America's dean of Islamic studies who just turned 90 and remembers the 20th century well, confessed that for the first time he feels it is 1938 again. He did not need to add that in 1938, in the face of the gathering storm -- a fanatical, aggressive, openly declared enemy of the West, and most determinedly of the Jews -- the world did nothing.

When Iran's mullahs acquire their coveted nukes in the next few years, the number of Jews in Israel will just be reaching 6 million. Never again? ... "

Look to Darfur to see how the US is "serious" & "concerned" about genocide in the 21s century.
Black Muslims or Euro Jews, makes little difference to US, here in good ol' USA.

5/05/2006 07:21:00 AM  
Blogger foreign devil said...

[Paraphrasing] 'they're in the area of Tikrit, Baghdad, sort of, south, north, east, west...'

Sounds like he was hedging and not sure in the first exchange. No wonder Rummy couldn't remember the exchange very well yesterday when he was heckled because in thke original exchange he was either dissembling for the person asking the question or wasn't sure himself. I'd give Rummy the benefit of the doubt on this one.

The thing is...we know that Saddam HAD them. We just don't know what he did with them. I believe Saddam was at the root of the anthrax attacks. Will we ever be able to prove it to the standards required in a court of law? Probably not. But nevertheless, I believe his chemists concocted whatever was mailed to all those people and killed them and I believe Mohammed Atta may have received the stuff in Praque before 9-11. Can it be proved to everyone's satisfaction? No. But a smart person can use an 'educated guess' and take appropriate precautions or steps.

The fact that ricin was not found in the camp of Ansar al Islam in northern Iraq, doesn't mean much in light of Saddam's missing WMD. Obviously they were careful to hide or spirit away the fruits of their labors. Western leaders have a bad habit of underestimating the enemy's ability to wage better war through chemistry and that's got to stop. It's as bad to underestimate as to overestimate.

5/05/2006 07:21:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

6 million Israelis
It is not the Rate of Reproduction, but the base from which one starts. The Israelis cannot win the reproduction war with the Arabs, the starting points are not competitive.

Mr Sharon saw the Challenge, as does Mr Olmert.
Their answers have been and continue to be defensive in nature.
Even in the wars that Israel and the Arabs fought, Israel never defeated the Enemy, just staved off the ultimate defeat, 'til later.

As peterboston stated, until the Beeka is "free", Israel is at risk.

Prevent defense never wins the Game.

The President of Iran, he learned that as a young soldier on the Iraqi Front.
It was not a lesson taught in the TANG

5/05/2006 07:30:00 AM  
Blogger Evan said...

To the old saw that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict stands at heart of instability in Middle East must be added another; that at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict lies the toxic politics of the Middle East.
The main way Arab leaders see the Palestinians is as a convenient, and hence therefore most usefully eternal, distraction for their people from the brutal malgovernance these leaders inflict upon them. I don't know whether Olmert's plan will foreclose that option, but it calls the bluff of the Arab "clown leaders" (as Tigerhawk called them awhile back). The old facade is no longer acceptable.

5/05/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 7:09 AM - putting up walls

Granted, walls are tempting. They may for a season even address an exigent need. The problem with them is, of course, that walls have two sides. What began as sovereign territory surrounded by a defensive barrier becomes, imperceptibly, a prison. This is why I have always opposed the wall - it is a monument to the abject failure of Israeli national will. And, no amount of plastic coated rebar can compensate for a lack of spine.

Your assessment of the current political climate in Israel is correct. Currently, the vox populi will not condone turning the PA into a shambles, even in self-defense. However, in a generation, ceteris paribus, Orthodox Jews will control the levers of power. Whether they will be so squeamish about robustly defending Eretz Israel from the Philistines is another matter entirely. By the way, I do not think Orthodox Jews would find distasteful an alliance with the Hashemites or the Lebanese, for that matter.

5/05/2006 07:41:00 AM  
Blogger diabeticfriendly said...

stated: The problem with them is, of course, that walls have two sides. What began as sovereign territory surrounded by a defensive barrier becomes, imperceptibly, a prison. This is why I have always opposed the wall - it is a monument to the abject failure of Israeli national will. And, no amount of plastic coated rebar can compensate for a lack of spine.

problem is really that those same ghetto walls that the jews were forced to live within have now provided the answer..

thanks to the jew hatred that created the ghetto and forced jews to rely on themselves and turn the outside world back to themselves...

what genius, the jewish world telling the majority arab/islmaic world go and live without us...

to the arab world and islamic peoples i say, be careful of what you wish for since there is no jewish medicine, doctors, food stuffs, electricity, invention, technology, creativity, development & more in the islamic world... please mr islamic/arab/palestinian enjoy the 8th century

the arab world is offended that the jews are rejecting them... too bad....

enjoy your freedom to die in pain at your own hand mr arab, i personally dont give a shit anymore...

5/05/2006 07:53:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Remember our "Allies" in the UAE?

"... Dubai: The deteriorating humanitarian situation in Palestine, a result of the recent suspension of international aid, has drawn condemnation from Arab citizens and officials alike who denounced the move by the US, the European Union and some Arab countries as "punishment" for the Palestinian people for electing a Hamas-led government.

A senior UAE official has called on Arab leaders to take an "historic and unified step" against the "humanitarian siege" that Israel and now some Western powers, have imposed on the Palestinian population.

"Why should the Palestinian people, particularly those in need of desperate medical attention, pay the price for the West's suspension of aid," Lieutenant General Dahi Khalfan Tamim, Chief of Dubai Police, told Gulf News yesterday. "There is no humanity in this situation."

Speaking among a cross-section of UAE officials and humanitarian activists, Lt. General Dahi criticised Western powers for compounding an already dire humanitarian situation, adding that it was hypocritical to support the recent elections and then cut aid to the government.

By suspending aid and providing unlimited support to Israel, Lt General Dahi said US President George Bush is responsible for creating hatred in the Arab world and contributing to the suffering of the Palestinian people.

"I congratulate the American president on his extraordinary ability to starve the Palestinian people. This can only be done by a leader as cruel as Mr Bush," he said.

"I hope the Arab leaders jointly defy this 'humanitarian blockade' because the Palestinians are suffering greatly and they need help and support." ..."

Gulf News

5/05/2006 07:53:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Your 7:21 AM - Charles Krauthammer

I too read this earlier in the morning. While not presuming to speak for Dr. Krauthammer, I believe he would unabashedly tell you, "Never again!" Like most of us, I think, he is hoping that the West, and particularly the United States, will not fall into the trap of 1938; because, if the West chooses to abandon humanity to the tender mercies of the Islamists, then, "Never again" will take on a meaning of Biblical proportions - something I believe the Doctor dreads.

5/05/2006 07:55:00 AM  
Blogger diabeticfriendly said...

all those trillions in oil aid and they bitch that the usa and israel wont feed and cloth the palestinians...

thses same palestinians that rejoice in the murder of americans and israelis...

please mr arab world drown in your oil...

If any "arab peoples" can read this, please read my lips..

go to hell....

5/05/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger diabeticfriendly said...

all those trillions in oil aid and they bitch that the usa and israel wont feed and cloth the palestinians...

thses same palestinians that rejoice in the murder of americans and israelis...

please mr arab world drown in your oil...

If any "arab peoples" can read this, please read my lips..

go to hell....

5/05/2006 07:58:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"... Russia sends aid to Palestinians

Russia sent €7.9m in urgent financial aid to the Palestinian Authority today, the Foreign Ministry said.

The transfer, which had been expected, reflected Russia’s stated belief that the Palestinian government should not be isolated after Hamas leaders took office.

The European Union and the United States have cut off aid to the Palestinian government in protest of the militant group’s refusal to recognise Israel and renounce violence since its January victory in legislative elections.

Both the EU and the US list Hamas as a terrorist organisation, a designation that prohibits any dealings with the group.

Russia, which is seeking to boost its international clout and its role in the Middle East peace process, hosted a high-level Hamas delegation in March. ..."

Irish Examiner

5/05/2006 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger diabeticfriendly said...

Lets start a fund for the Chechen Republic, and ask russia how they feel...

can we say hypocrites....

5/05/2006 08:05:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

There you go, allen.

The politics of projection.
while I agree that Dr K hopes for the bet, he sees the reality of the situation.

The Iranians are in full cascade.

There is not time to wait for another "generation" of Israeli to come to power and modify their Country's behaviour.
They are and will forever be a one nuke target.
Tehran has a over 1500 aim points.
The Wahabbists have at least 48 warheads.

The "Storm" is brewing.

Look to Darfur, Somalia or Rowanda for possible US response.

At the end of the "biblical proportion" Israel will be gone.

5/05/2006 08:11:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Your 7:53 AM - Remember our "Allies" in the UAE?

The ever sensitive, ever compassionate, and ever attentive Mr. Bush will, no doubt, take this as his call to action. By day's end, I will not be surprised to hear Dr. Rice announce an emergency relief effort to ward off a catastrophe of Ethiopian magnitude, headed-up by herself, personally. Friday seems to be the preferred day for perfidy by DC. Per the overwhelming Weltanschauung, I just want to say, “Viva La Raza” and “That $100 motor fuels rebate check is on its way, America.”

5/05/2006 08:14:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Your 8:11 AM - Israel will be gone.

As Esther said to Haman, "Don't hold your breath."

Oh, yeah, one man's "projection" is another's "strategery".

5/05/2006 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

You are right, a fellow would turn blue and die, holding his breath.

By the same token, another decade of existence would be remarkable for those embattled folk.

Granted the devastation to the Region will be horrific, but the Arabs will muddle on, benefiting from their sheer mass. The Israelis have no such depth. That is, I think, the essence of Dr K's piece.

5/05/2006 08:27:00 AM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

As I have posted before...the only way to permanently shut these death-cult leaders down is to impoverish them again. Let them rule camels and peasants.

We must immediately start an alternative fuel industry to protect our future. I can see the rolling eyes now... The only peaceful solution is this and you brilliant individuals know it. (That was not meant snarky)

The only other solution is war. If it be war with Iran then make it so brutal as to shock the rest of the world. Let them see what a good ol' ass-kickin' means when you screw with us. Make it a Dresden-like event. Have the cameras rolling outside of Tehran, say 50 miles away.. Watch the oxygen being sucked out of the atmosphere. Then do it again over Qom. When the first Arab country complains, do the same to their capital. State it up-front, then do it.

Make the world know what fear is.


Come up with alternative fuels. Nuclear, Bio, Hydrogen, etc.

5/05/2006 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The real question is, just who is misunderestimating who?

to do both, now that would shock 'em.

I am afraid that in the twenty years or so that my Insurance man tells me I have left, I'm not gonna see it.

There is no US leader on the horizon that would take the shot.
The West shall not find Victory with a three pointer at the buzzer.

5/05/2006 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

wow, this place has been like a bloody chat group the past few days.

It seems to me one of the key issues is Israel's desire to stay 'jewish'. Even if we accept John Samford's legal position that Eretz Israel is what should be Israel it doesn't solve the demographic problem allowing Israel to be Jewish and democratic.

Israel, by failing to find a suitable solution for itself and its neighbors risks the 1 nuke solution to the problem, as highlighted by Desert Rat, of being a small speck of Jewishness in a sea of Araby.

5/05/2006 08:41:00 AM  
Blogger DanMyers said...


It would also save Isreal...

Not that they need our help.

5/05/2006 08:53:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

The majority sound rather bellicose today. This is good. 1938 you bet.

Now to the tune of Paul Anka's "Venus"

Allah if you will, send me somemore monkeys to be killed,
I promise that I'll make them into goo, just for the Qu-ran and you...
Oh Al-lah, oh Al-lah ..make my dream come true.
***Mossad over CIA, that's an affirm, as has been pointed out CIA has no HUMINT of value in the ME.
***Walls have two sides ...yeah but which side has the best "tagging"
*** Russia sending emergency aid, why, that's so Putin which is very close to the French word putain.
*** our southern a solid wall of 1960-1970 Fords. They won't touch 'em. Chebrolay is da way for pachucho boys.
*** OBL white courtesy phone, OSB to the white courtesy phone.

Plus my buddy 'Tater says we outta jus do a bid possum taco hunt.

5/05/2006 08:53:00 AM  
Blogger Elam Bend said...

Another Black September in the making?

Hamas already got caught with weapons in Jordan. Now that they have Iranian backing, they could possibly make an even better attempt at a power grab in Jordan than the PLO did thirty years ago.

If that happened, it would mean Iran had proxies in Lebanon, Palestein, Jordan. Not a pleasant thought.

I fear we only just finished the opening stages of the great Middle Eastern Shakeout. Could it be we find our selves fighting on one side with peninsular Arabs, Iraqis, AND Israelies against the Persians and Palestinians? Which way would Egypt and Syria go? What would Turkey do?

It is crucuial that we consolidate whatever gains we have, and can make in Iraq, now.

5/05/2006 09:01:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A roadside bomb killed three U.S. soldiers Friday south of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

The troops were killed when their vehicle struck a roadside bomb in Babil province, a military statement said.

Eleven American troops have died in the first five days of the month in Iraq -- all but one in hostilities.

Anyone care to explain to me why US forces are on civil patrol? Does that project resolve and power?

5/05/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Consolidate the "gains"?
In Iraq?

As I've said before, when the SCIRI is the "moderate" force in the government, we've taken a lickin'.

As Mr Rumsfeld said, if we left now, it'd be "Same as Saddam"

The Iraqis say, "No foreign troops by '08".
The US needs another decade, at least, according to General McCaffrey's report.

Consolidate our gains, indeed.
We still have not hung Saddam.
Three years in.

5/05/2006 09:11:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 8:41 AM - Israel it doesn't solve the demographic problem allowing Israel to be Jewish and democratic.

Why does Israel have a problem? It is now both Jewish and democratic. Why should that change?

It is little remarked but salient I think that Iran has announced the flank it intends to attack first in the coming conflict. Why would Iran do so? Could Iran think that both the US and Israel also find the Coalition's western flank most vulnerable; thereby, drawing attention away from its own vulnerabilities? For instance, during the Iran-Iraq War, Iran was bled white trying to defend its western and southwestern petroleum fields. Had Iraq been a competent foe, Iran would have been reduced to governing east of the Zagros Mountains. May it be assumed that US military might is not incompetent?

I hope this post is not idle chit-chat.

5/05/2006 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...


Israel would have a demographic problem if it extended its borders to the Jordan river. Either it would have to: deny the palestinians living within those borders the democratic rights of citizenship, expel them, kill them, or change the demographic trends.

5/05/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...


It's like baiting a tiger.
The US troops are the bait, to get the Insurgents to make a move.

Our host discussed this, well over a year ago.
It is the primary antiInsurgent "tactic" of the Army of One.

Worse than that, though is this story
"... Overstretched American special forces hit the language barrier
By Alec Russell in Washington
(Filed: 04/05/2006)

American special forces, the cutting edge of the global strategy for winning the fight against terrorism, are so overstretched that many units are deploying in the world's trouble spots unable to communicate with the locals.

Billions of dollars are being added to their budget by Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, and their ranks are being expanded to numbers unseen since the Vietnam war after they were identified as the key to defeating al-Qa'eda and its affiliates. ...

... But officials have conceded that the special forces are so busy they have had no time for the standard training in languages.

Veterans are also concerned that special forces will be rushed into action before they have completed the arduous two-year training routine. All five of America's 1,250-strong Green Beret army battalions have been rotated in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan since the Sept 11 attacks.

Ken McGraw, a spokesman for the special operations command in Tampa, Florida, said units were being deployed in regions for which they had not trained.

Since the Sept 11 attacks, the Spanish-speaking unit trained to operate in Latin America and the "Europe" unit that specialises in French, German and Russian have been deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq, he said. ... "

The Telegraph

Special Forces were not really about "Smash and Grab" SWAT raids.
Though that gets the Press.
Turning SF into "Super Rangers" is counter productive and puts US on the wrong Course.
Training the natives, that is the Most Important Mission as our Iraqi experience shows.

Another lesson that was not learned, in Iraq, by the US Military.
Just not "Hollywood" enough, training foreigners.

5/05/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Allen said...

"Rather than nuking Mecca (and Medina, for that matter) I hope for its management to be returned to the previous owners - the Hashemites."

We'll know that the Islamic thing has been succesfully defused when a descendant of King Abdullah II of Jordan is ruling over Mecca and Medina. Abdullah is the 43rd direct descendant of Mohammed (Islam's author). Abdullah is also a direct descendant of Hussein bin Ali who was the last Sharif of Mecca. Abdullah's family lost control of Mecca to the Saud family after the Ottoman Empire imploded. The control of Mecca is the basis for the Saud family's political legitimacy and a driving reason for their religious fervour, i.e. they seized Mecca from Mohammed's family, therefore the Saudis are required to be holier than Mohammed. Before they took over Mecca, the Saudis were little more than hillbilly bandits raiding camel caravans. Reestablishing King Abdullah's family control of Mecca makes alot of sense.

Here's a fun bit of tirvia: King Abdullah is a big fan of "Star Trek". He actually appeared in a cameo role in "Star Trek: Voyager".

Different topic: After the Israelis build a wall around their country and jettison the remaining Palestinians, what are they going to do with the Dome of the Rock? IMHO, their best bet would be to turn it into a secular museum like Istanbul's Ayia Sophia. Unfortunately the Israelis have their own lunatic fringe. I suspect they'd be seduced into doing something scary like raze the Dome of the Rock and rebuild Solomon's Temple.

5/05/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger DanMyers said...


I think I've linked this before. It is Debka, but the picture looks real..

5/05/2006 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Yesterday some wonderfully clever electronic thesis' were proffered by (apologies here for the author). They were briefly discussed but shelved due to national security interests.
WELL on practical side of things the CIA has done is of value in tracking UBL is this. They have collected and analyzed the largest known collection of camel dung ever. Using a mass spectrometer they have been able to pinpoint feeding areas due to the differences in heliotropism variances in weed growth factoring. They are all over this.

5/05/2006 09:38:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

...and that the West Bank is NOT occupied terrority, but rather Israel terrority that was recovered from the Arabs after they siezed it in the battles of '48.

Yeah, and I have an old book here my Great great great Grandfather wrote which says that I own your house and all your property. This book is my religion, cause I'm a fanatic and I'm going to take your home and all your stuff, whether you like it or not.


5/05/2006 09:40:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

The CIA calls this P U MINT

5/05/2006 09:43:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

dr zieus,
you're confusing the recent Selo Supreme Court laydown to an old family book about the origin of light through the Shiva Third Eye

5/05/2006 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

did buddy make bail ? is he out now? anyone ..???

5/05/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

BTW, how many years did the Kingdoms of David and Solomon rule Israel?

5/05/2006 09:49:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"... But past diplomatic experience also shows that a negotiated agreement would place the border between Israel and independent Palestine very close to the Green Line, the pre-1967 boundary between Israel and Jordan.

Olmert rejects that possibility. He hasn’t said exactly where he would put the line. But the best indication is the security barrier that Israel is building in the West Bank. Indeed, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, Olmert’s closest political ally, has said publicly that the barrier “will have implications” for the border.

So examine the barrier. According to the B’Tselem human rights group, the government’s planned route places about 9 percent of the West Bank’s area on the Israeli side. That land takes in about three-fourths of the settlers in the West Bank, whose total number now exceeds 250,000. But the same land is home to at least 30,000 Palestinians. Olmert has made no indication of what their status would be.

To put more settlers and fewer Palestinians on the Israeli side, the barrier route makes strange twists and loops. Long tendrils would stretch out from Israel to take in the settlements of Ariel and Kedumim -- and drastically reduce access between Palestinian towns in the northern West Bank and those to the south. Another finger stretches eastward from Jerusalem.

That route might reduce the short-term pain for Israel of evacuating settlements, but in the longer term it’s lose-lose. If a Palestinian state arose in the fragmented West Bank, it would have a hard time providing government services or functioning economically. Meanwhile, without peace, the Israeli fingers would be difficult to defend.

Most basically, the continued occupation of part of the West Bank would encourage Palestinian groups to keep attacking Israel. In rough terms, think of those parts of the West Bank as Israel’s Northern Ireland, a continual cause of conflict. ... "

This fellow, Gershom Gorenberg, is the author of The Accidental Empire: Israel and the Birth of the Settlements, 1967-1977.

His whole article Olmert’s Ulster is concerned that
"...Israeli leader Ehud Olmert's plan for the West Bank would create, in essence, a new Northern Ireland."

5/05/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Elam Bend said...

By consolidate gains, I meant to stabilize, as we best can the political situation in Iraq; neutralize Sadr and then finish and fortify the bases we are building there.
We are there for the long term. As for not hanging Saddam by now, give me an example where we moved that fast an another enemy leader.

All I am saying is that we have to start looking beyond the horizen of the internal situation in Iraq.

5/05/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 9:26 AM - King Abdullah II

As you know, Jordan began its relationship with the Jewish state as an outright belligerent. Under the late king, it managed to assume the role of a hostile neutral during the First Iraq War. Generally, at this point, the official relationship is amicable. May I go so far as to say that the present monarch is essentially Occidental? Furthermore, he is no fool.

If Jordan positions itself well, the potential for enormous gains in territory and prestige lie within its reach. Obviously, it will be necessary for the government to present the coming struggle in those terms to its public, many of whom are of Palestinian lineage or are sympathetic to the cause. If (admittedly a very big “if”) the king can capitalize on the Jordanian sense of nationalism, to the exclusion of Islamic tendencies, he could find himself in the catbird’s seat.

What Israel must hope for, long-term, is a neutral West Bank, at the least. Amicable Jordanian sovereignty there could meet this goal. Indeed, in the absence of the current controlling Mafiosos, the territory might settle into a highly productive and benign neighborhood. Clearly, both Israel and Jordan must appreciate both the challenge and the promise. Consequently, I would not be surprised to find Israel and Jordan acting in concert as silent partners, if not allies, in bringing the Palestinian debacle to an end, in so far as the West Bank is concerned. All that is required is sufficient cause for action. In this, the PA will not fail to be the gift that just keeps giving.

5/05/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger geoffgo said...


I have suggested before, but get little feedback, that we should nuke one or more cities in Iran, after giving them adequate notice to evacuate.

Kills only those that choose (or are forced) to stay behind.

Global news coverage would be interesting; yes, the US completely destroyed this city (or these cities), after Iran refused to comply with inspection protocols, plus its continued overt/covert SUPPORT OF TERROR, etc.


5/05/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"....The Israeli population had little stomach for the trauma of the Gaza withdrawal, which it was forced to witness up-close, under what would have to be considered more benign conditions in the conflict than exist today. A forced withdrawal of a much larger Israeli population, and a large handover of territory to a Hamas run government, would seem to be a recipe for a major and unnecessary internal Israeli conflict at a time when external security threats to the state (e.g., the Iranian nuclear threat, and Hizbollah's military capability on the northern border) are growing.

While Israel won a small (and short) public relations victory from the Gaza withdrawal, an incomplete disengagement from the West Bank with continued IDF presence in some of the evacuated areas would not receive a similar international seal of approval. ...

... Olmert will try to sell Washington that the Muslim world's ill will directed at America can be reduced by a further separation of the Israeli and Palestinian populations. This seems naïve.

There can be no moderation of Hamas, just as there can be no moderation of al Qaeda. And Glick argues that another disengagement will be viewed by the enemies of Israel and America as further evidence of the West in retreat, which will inspire the jihadist movement to take on America and the West more broadly. So it will likely encourage more terrorism in more places, rather than serve to placate the jihadists. Hamas and its terror allies, running freely in the West Bank, will certainly not help the American effort to stem the tide of foreign jihadists entering Iraq. ...

... We are now almost 60 years since the founding of the modern state of Israel, and the Palestinians and their allies are no more reconciled to its existence today than they were at the beginning of the state. Those who speak of needing another generation to come of age before resolution to the conflict is possible, badly misread the younger generation of Palestinians, steeped in the constant incitement to destroy Israel, and kill the Jews, and defeat America and the fervent attachment to martyrdom. ..."

This piece is from Richard Baehr is the chief political correspondent of The American Thinker.

5/05/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

As far as help from the Brits goes in the WoT, it could be time to look for another Ally. Seems Elections did not go well for Mr Blair, though not a total rout.

"... Blair Suffers Again
As expected, Labour took it on the chin in local elections in Britain yesterday, scoring its lowest share of the vote since 1982. Tony Blair's party finished at 26%, one point behind the Lib-Dems and fourteen points behind the Tories and David Cameron. The projected result is a net loss of some 175-200 council seats for Labour, which is close to double what party leaders had hoped for, but far from the 400+ seat loss that analysts said would have represented a "total meltdown" for Labour and the absolute end for Blair.

Still, Blair has once again been hurt at the polls, and he responded today with a major reshuffling of his beleaguered cabinet. Embattled Home Secretary Charles Clarke is out, Foreign Office Secretary Jack Straw is being replaced, and Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott will stay on with a stripped-down list of responsibilities.

By Tom Bevan at RealClearPolitics

5/05/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

geofgo 10:05

That's a big A-OK on nuking lots of Iranian cities.
If we can end that country as a civilization others will think twice.
An extra plus is we would get to retool our nuclear arsenal for the next round of MAD w/ Russia & China, which IS coming.

5/05/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The vast majority of the NAZIs that were convicted of mass murder.
None made VE Day plus three years.

5/05/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger DanMyers said...


Methinks that you misunderstand my post....

If you have 2 solutions;

1.utterly destroys a city or two

2.another that justs impoverishes the inhabitants.

I pick #2. If not #2, then at least make it a war the world will remember. You just don't punch the big guy in the nose and expect nothing to happen.

5/05/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger trish said...

"Anyone care to explain to me why US forces are on civil patrol? Does that project resolve and power?"

- 2164th

Civil patrols? What civil patrols?

The everyday danger is to those pulling convoy duty. Convoys are the deadly downside of a garrisoned force in Iraq. Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

Soldiers aren't dying because they're being deployed as bait for the insurgents. (That's so last-year.) Soldiers are dying because people and supplies have to be shuttled from A to B, every day, every week, every month.

You can pull in behind the wire.

You can't stay off the roads.

5/05/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

elam bend
You assume then, that Mr Bush is a liar.
That his statements about US desire to leave Iraq are lies?
When he said that future deployments of US troops and their status in Iraq would be decided by Iraqis and a future President, in 2009, he was lying?

His statements as to "They stand up, we stand down" are lies, as well?

5/05/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Come on, trish, the convoys are the "bait"

5/05/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

we need to find a way to provide free passsage for all the leftest "Human Shields" to Iran. So many problems solved right there.
Give each one a new packpack and a pair of Crocs..'re not equating a preemptive strike on a self professed enemy who has threaten the use of nukes on US with what the Nazi's did are you?

5/05/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

No, habu, just comparing how the miscreants are dealt with, by US.

5/05/2006 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger blert said...


“WELL on practical side of things the CIA has done is of value in tracking UBL is this. They have collected and analyzed the largest known collection of camel dung ever. Using a mass spectrometer they have been able to pinpoint feeding areas due to the differences in heliotropism variances in weed growth factoring. They are all over this.”

So, they’re Walking Back the Scat?

5/05/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

It's the color of the line wrong..should be a mauve and puce.

5/05/2006 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

dr. zaius,

Your 9:40 AM - Great great great Grandfather

Interesting you should bring up an old book. As it turns out, my Great-great-great…X 125th great grandfather did in fact write a book, also. You may be familiar with it, it’s the Tanakh. Oh, and do understand that I could have referred to my grandfather to the 145th place, but I purposefully chose to stay within the actually provable timeframe of the Essenses or 3rd C. B.C.E.

Ignoring for the moment everything other than land title, the Tanakh proves that Hebrews/Jews held title to, occupied, used, improved, and defended at least that area now recognized by the UN as Israel. In fact, these tenants held at the time of composition considerably more real estate than now occupied by their descendants the Jews.

What any of this has to do with buttering our parsnips (thanks buddy) today remains a question. But, since you did raise the issue, I thought I might add some historical context and texture.

5/05/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

yeah,fair enough although some of the scat is mo like splat. Luckliy the local kids best toy is the dung beetle so they've been contracted by CIA (GS-10's) to roll the splat to scat. Everyone wins.
We're also placing nano cameras on flys that trail the tail.

5/05/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

" ... WASHINGTON (AP) - Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.

Six months out, the intensity of opposition to Bush and Congress has risen sharply, along with the percentage of Americans who believe the nation is on the wrong track. ...

... This week's survey of 1,000 adults, including 865 registered voters, found:

- Just 33 percent of the public approves of Bush's job performance, the lowest of his presidency. That compares with 36 percent approval in early April. Forty-five percent of self-described conservatives now disapprove of the president.

- Just one-fourth of the public approves of the job Congress is doing, a new low in AP-Ipsos polling and down 5 percentage points since last month. A whopping 65 percent of conservatives disapprove of Congress. ...

...- The souring of the nation's mood has accelerated the past three months, with the percentage of people describing the nation on the wrong track rising 12 points to a new high of 73 percent. Six of 10 conservatives say America is headed in the wrong direction.

Republican strategists said the party stands to lose control of Congress unless the environment changes unexpectedly.

"It's going to take some events of significance to turn this around," GOP pollster Whit Ayres said. "I don't think at this point you can talk your way back from those sorts of ratings." ...

... Conservative voters blame the White House and Congress for runaway government spending, illegal immigration and lack of action on social issues such as a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage. Those concerns come on top of public worries about Iraq, the economy and gasoline prices. ...

... Hardline conservatives are not likely to vote Democratic in the fall, but it would be just as devastating to the Republicans if conservatives lose their enthusiasm and stay home on Election Day.

AP-Ipsos polling suggests that Democrats may be winning the motivation game. Fewer voters today than in 2004 call themselves Republicans or Republican-leaning. In addition, 27 percent of registered voters were strong Republicans just before the 2004 election, while only 15 percent fit that description today. ...

...As for his overall job performance, history suggests that Bush's paltry 33 percent spells trouble for Republicans in the fall.

In the past six decades, only one president had a lower job approval rating six months before a midterm election - Richard Nixon in May 1974, the year in which Watergate-scarred Republicans lost 48 seats in the House and four in the Senate. ..."

What me worry?

But do not worry, bombing Iran and Oil at $125 bbl before the November Elections and another 500,000 "guests" will rekindle the Republican spirit amongst the rank & file.

Do not hold your breath

5/05/2006 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger blert said...

Any motion towards Democratic policies is lethal to a Republican administration.

Trouble is, Bush is a RINO.

He's okay on the stump -- but a terrible administrator: he can't fire anyone -- can't veto anything.

And then, he seems to be Hamlet at war.

5/05/2006 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

desert rat,
those aren't real Rep. They're professional politicians of the genus "whorest elect-me". RINOs

they're setting thenselves up to re register as Dems and feel good about staying in the power circles.

The election is still a nuclear strike away and things can change when nukes go off...not to worry anyway..Democrats are good Americans like you and me...with a few exceptions..the Bill of Rights and the Constitution are a little messy for them.

5/05/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger trish said...

Whatever you say, Rat.

5/05/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said... its continued overt/covert SUPPORT OF TERROR, etc.

Yeah, I agree. For starters, Chalabi and Norquist should both get the boot ASAP. As should the Errorist-n-Chief.


5/05/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

RE: my 9:30PM last night (a wee bit redundant there Habu)

But seriously ..can't anyone help a struggling songwriter finish

"Rock'in 'round the Kaaba"

5/05/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 10:25 AM - supplies have to be shuttled from A to B

I agree, logistics remain problematic. This is not Germany.

Whether convoys serve as decoys, who knows? Seems, though, to be the long way around the horn. Usually, an army prefers its baggage train unmolested.

5/05/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Not decoys, live bait.

5/05/2006 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Your 10:45 AM - Angry conservatives

"But," Ayres said, "we better get in gear."

Well, Mr. Ayres, yeah. As I admonished Senator Dole, yesterday, try something novel, like, let’s say, being R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N-S. Obviously, there is always risk involved with changing course, but think back to the halcyon days of yesteryear, oh, say, 1994. Give Newt a call – can’t hurt.

5/05/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

seems to me they could just go to radio shack and buy those remote control trucks.....gizmo 'em up so they could run in front of the convoys tripp'in the explosives...of course the dude around the corner with the cell phone tripping the explosives gonna take more trips to radio shack.

5/05/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

here's the reality..

both parities believe in and practice income redistribution.
right out of karl marx.

5/05/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger geoffgo said...

Just announced: Porter Goss has resigned.

5/05/2006 11:45:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"It's more than a bureaucratic battle. Ever since John Negroponte was appointed Director of National Intelligence a year ago and given the task of coordinating the nation's myriad spy agencies, he has been diluting the power and prestige of the best known of them all, the Central Intelligence Agency. From day one, he supplanted the CIA Director as the President's principal intelligence adviser, in charge of George W. Bush's daily briefing. Other changes followed, all originating in the law that created the DNI — and all traumatic for CIA fans. But now, in a little noticed move, Negroponte is signaling that he is moving still more responsibility from the CIA to his own office, including control over the analysis of terrorist groups and threats...."
My guess:
Porter Goss was told to clean the place up.
He tried.
Backup from Potus was as non-existent as it has been toward his Oath of Office and the Constitution.
Porter is Gone.

The lack of accountability/responsibility for Government cleanout and reform by this admin is a Scandal Second only to POTUS's DERELECTION OF DUTY wrt to upholding the law of the land and the security of our Borders and our Country.

5/05/2006 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Goss gone..he should have removed all the Klinton appointees immediately upon assuming DCI..DCI isn't the head cheese anyway, John Negroponte needs to sqeeze some bad guys out of the entire intelligence field.

5/05/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

How Belmont correspondents missed David Frum’s scathing critique of General Tommy Franks is highly uncharacteristic. In short, with rhetorical halberd, Mr. Frum attempted to unhorse, pin, and decapitate General Franks. If true, the picture painted by Mr. Frum is grim and ominous.

See, Who Lost Iraq? It's Not Who You Think -

5/05/2006 11:54:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Incredible Shrinking CIA

5/05/2006 11:55:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Reminder to posters:
The current President of the United States is GWB.

5/05/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...


Dems and Reps and Karl Marx's raison d'etre

5/05/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Frum is a nerd ..couldn't pack the gear if he had a Humvee. i didn't miss it. I dismissed it.

5/05/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Dang it--I've said again and again, the land belongs to the Hittites,the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites. You want to argue, meet me at the Hawk n' Dove.;>)

5/05/2006 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...


then where do Gog and MaGod fit in

5/05/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...


5/05/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Habu_1, what do you make of all this CIA stuff coming on a Friday afternoon? A while back, Mr. Negroponte dug in his heels and balked at having captured Iraq documents reviewed and released to the public. Then, along comes Mary, followed by a chorus of stoolies. Now, Mr. Goss suddenly exits.

5/05/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Ma God ain't yor God but don't know bout Gog and MaGod. My God, you know that. ;>)

5/05/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Seeing no objections to the REP/DEM/MARX redistribution of income fact, let it be written, for it is so.

5/05/2006 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

No, doug, Bill Clinton is still calling the shots, five years out.

He runs the "shadow government" you see. Everyone still reports to big Bill. Mr Bush, he's only a figure head for all of Bill's errors. He only "thinks" he won Florida & Ohio.

Those Republican majorities in the Congress, figments of the imagination, really they are all sock puppets under Bill's control.

Remember, doug, it still all about Clinton, Gore and JFKerry.
Not about performance in office, no it's always about the "last" election, or War.

5/05/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Mexican Economic Facts
Low education levels characterize the vast majority of Mexican migrants to the U.S., according to a recent Instituto Tecnológico Autónomo de México study.

In the period 1992-2002, 79 percent of all Mexican migrants and 78 percent of illegal immigrants from Mexico had eight years or less of formal schooling, with 11 percent of both groups having no education and 33 to 34 percent having only one to four years of schooling.

5/05/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Doug said...
Reminder to posters:
The current President of the United States is GWB.

11:56 AM

Whew! The RNC is going to appreciate your having cleared-up any misunderstanding. I know I feel better.

Earth calling Libby! Earth calling Libby!

5/05/2006 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger Elam Bend said...

Goss is out because of a prosecution scandal.

I don't think Bush is lying about wanting to get US troops out, but I'm willing to bet we'll be there a long time. Look at Kosovo and that one wasn't that hot.
Was he obfuscating, absolutely.

5/05/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

My immediate reaction is that Bush got pissed at Porter for keeping so many Clinton holdovers.
He told Negroponte to axe Goss and clean house.
The CIA has obviously been ruined by eight years of Clinton and the Carter years. It's get back time before we start the bombing and they can subvert Bush more.

5/05/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

ipso facto we have a Marxist philosophical government...

it sure isn't Adam Smith's "invisible hand"

also,work with me people..
"Rock'in 'round the Kaaba" versus needed.

5/05/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Fom USA Today a series of headlines, they tell the Tale, in and of themselves

Potter Goss Resigns
Osama's location was known, once upon a time in '05 by Mr Goss.

Court strongly questions Internet wiretap rules
"A judge said the government's courtroom arguments were "gobbledygook."

Judge: New Hampshire wrong to deny benefits to lesbian state employees
"New Hampshire bars gays and lesbians from marrying, so requiring state employees to be married to get family benefits is discriminatory, Merrimack County Superior Court Judge Kathleen McGuire ruled Wednesday.

"The state's attempt to couch the issue as one wherein all unmarried individuals are impacted equally, avoids ... reality," the judge wrote. "

Home contracts dive 29% at Toll Brothers
"... I think the Street was looking for weakness, just not this weak," said John Tomlinson, senior analyst with Majestic Research an independent research firm.

Higher home prices and mortgage rates have taken its toll on U.S. home buying, which began to soften after the summer. Since July, shares of Toll Brothers have lost 47% of their value, ..."

That is the "crunch time" indicator for Mr Bush, as higher interest rates kill the housing "boom", the entire economy will be seen sliding to recession, even if it really is not.

If home values stabilize or decline, the Bush boom, will be over, before he can tell US about it.

5/05/2006 12:34:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


Your 12:16 PM - Mexican Economic Facts

So, now I can tell my podiatrist, Dr. Gupta, to stop worrying? That will be a relief.

Am I to understand that the "shadow people" will not be filling the ranks of NASA? Well, there goes the Mars mission in my lifetime!

Just something to think about in the interest of multiculturalism (I know, like me, something near and dear your heart), if La Raza is now encouraging Aztec dance troupes, can the obligatory temples and human sacrifice be far behind?

If I haven’t already said so, “Happy sinkhole the mayo.”

5/05/2006 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Oshbgosh said...

"The Quran is as evil a screed as anything ever conceived by the mind of man."

I can agree with this, inasmuch as the educated among its followers have chosen to DISREGARD the embedded prophecies, signs and traditions written into it, which obviously point to The Bab and Baha'u'llah.

The Muslim CLERGY'S REFUSAL to acknowledge God's update and further revelation of the Will of God, precipitates the current turmoil and strife and sectarianism we experience.

In their choosing to 'scoff and deny our Lord Who redeems us' has returned, (II Peter 2:1) they engage in a 'damnable heresy' that endangers ALL of us, and shows a remarkable similarity to Christian clergy's scoffing denial of Christ's Return, DESPITE what Jesus predicted!

Nothing personal here but your steadfast belief in your version of relgious reality is a problem, albeit your belief is certainly not directly as dangerous as the Islamofacist, indirectly it leads to an intolerance of others. The belief that your god is the true god and along with the accompaning myth of "the second coming of Jesus" prevents you from objectively dealing with reality. Don't get me wrong though, have at it.

5/05/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Our Real Estate advertisers have ALL taken a "hit".
The calls have "dried up"
Sales have dropped, like a rock.
Prices of those homes that do sell, are declining from the peak, of just a few months ago.

Those that have "adjustable rate" loans, they are adjusting.

How does this bode for Mr Olmert, Palistine, Iraq and Iran.
Not well.

5/05/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

I don't know about anywhere else, but around here home prices and housing starts started to boom after 9/11 with the super low interest rates. By that logic, what we need to keep the economy going is another terrorist attack.--Egypt and Jordan worried about the possible Israeli withdrawal from the west bank. All the items D.R. mentions. Strange world indeed. Only thing normal--another drunk Kennedy going to vote in the middle of the night.

5/05/2006 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

He has faith--and I admire and envy him for it. My highest truth is, I'd like a cheeseburger long about now.

5/05/2006 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

...any updates on the Zionist clowns appearing at the Bellagio?

nurse..more lithium

5/05/2006 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Your 12:34 PM - Court strongly questions Internet wiretap rules

Yeah, that one worried me too. After some searching I found a possible cause for his animosity. For whatever it is worth, Judge Edwards is a Carter appointee. His fellows on the court seem not to have enthusiastically supported his soliloquies.

5/05/2006 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Not Kennedy--Karridine. Man you got to be Queeks Draw McGraw round here.

5/05/2006 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

By crackee BUDDY you made the interstate and freedom ..good to have you back ...was the Yugo a bit perfumy?

5/05/2006 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

"Fear and Lithium in Las Vegas"

5/05/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

desert rat,
tell me you really didn't cite USA Today as a source ..please tell me it was a mistake..

Dow up over 140 points last i looked.

5/05/2006 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Habu_1 said...
...any updates on the Zionist clowns appearing at the Bellagio?

There may be a problem here. You seem to be looking for THE Zionist clowns, when what you want are THE Zionist "attack" clowns. Hope that helped - just doing my little greenie bit.

If you find that Pandora's Box is the warm-up act, like, PAH-LEES, post ASAP. I will definitely fly out for that.

5/05/2006 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

thanks, but i guess i bought the wrong tickets i gonna see spinning pie plates on the end of long poles ... man what a let down

5/05/2006 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Well, I *have* had smoother rides -- a storm blew up out of nowhere last night, winds 60, hail, all electr & wireless out, rain like a bastid. nothing like the Hill Country, either drought or Deluge. Rat is your area AZ one of those overstretched mkts? as R/E is smooth as butter hereabouts, and Toll and others are saying not to watch the month-by-month.

5/05/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Not another Terrorist attack, but another bout of "low interest rates".
Those are now "history" and despite buddy's view that as long as we can profit from the spread we'll be alright, that position will become ever more difficult to explain.

Even though my Payment calculator book, which I've had for over 25 years, starts at 5% and goes up, and when I first bought piece of Real Estate, in the Clinton years, it was at 11%, I still know that it's the monthly payment that people buy, not the price or the rate.

Toll Brothers, is it a leading or lagging indicator?

Gas prices, while still within historical norms, are causing a "melt down" in Congress and the Press. It is also causing Detroit to cut it's profit projections.

When I was a youngster, there was a maxim, stated in Congressional Hearings.

"What is good for General Motors, is good for the USA"

GM is now next to bankrupt, it's most profitable products no longer "viable".
Wanna buy a Yukon?

Tell me again how we are winning these Mohammedan Wars.

5/05/2006 01:06:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


My 12:39 PM - "if La Raza is now encouraging Aztec dance troupes, can the obligatory temples and human sacrifice be far behind?"

Terribly sorry, I forgot the part about cannibalism and necrophilia. Wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings or make anybody feel left out. After all, I am a staunch compasssssionate conservative. Until just this minute, I did not realize how strongly the "s" is accented by Texicans.

As for border walls, (to Cole Porter) "I threw a brick over you."

5/05/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

habu--the mkts are earnings-driving right on up there, for sure. I think Dow hit a six-year high (best since "bubble") and Transports are at *historic* alltimehigh. All the indexes except the Naz are in new territority--and Naz is of course the bubble baby that may need 50 yrs to get back to 2000.

5/05/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Read Oshbgosh:
Karridine's a Terrorist Threat!

5/05/2006 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

over streched is not the word.
We experienced a "Las Vegas" style boom with out of state investors buying almost 30+% of all homes sold in the Phoenix metro area, last year.

The WSJ, just a few days ago, ran a story with an intersting side bar. Inventories "over built" by over 200%. How they arrived at that, I'm not sure, but we led the boom, now we'll lead the fall?

It does not effect me, we did not refinance and are almost done with our 15 year note. People have scoffed at my conservative home investment strategy, but I think, in the end, the others misunderestimated the value of being debt free...

5/05/2006 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Dammit, rat, it's agood thing you live in sunny Arizona -- if you were up there on the wet side of the cascades, you'd be pessimistic r' something.

5/05/2006 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

With the possibilities on the 'event horizon' in view, I am about ready to go to the Yukon, rather than buy one.

5/05/2006 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger Alexis said...

I don't think Olmert's government really cares one way or another about the Palestinians, nor does it care about whether al-Qaeda gains or not.

I think Olmert has had it with Jewish settlers on the West Bank and sees them as more of an enemy than anybody else on the planet. That is the fruit of the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin -- anybody who becomes Prime Minister becomes the recipient of death threats from radical settlers. So, he soon sees them as his principal enemy.

That's the problem with death threats. Once one is labelled as a "Jew hater" by certain Jewish activists, there is little incentive to stick one's neck out to help such people no matter how much they hurt. And that is something Jewish settlers and their supporters abroad don't seem to understand.

5/05/2006 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Yes lord, nothing beats a paid-off land note, nothing!

5/05/2006 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Whether it's their shameless joinder with Democrats in demanding investigations of oil companies,
their acute tone deafness on the growing immigration crisis,
their refusal to bring discipline to spending,
or their willingness to let the tail wag the dog on judicial appointments, the Republicans are begging for a drubbing in November.
Grassroots frustration is growing with a vengeance, and someone in charge better wake up and show some leadership. Yesterday.
Republicans earning grassroots' disfavor

5/05/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy & DR,

Without the bother of refreshing my memory, I recall reading some months ago that of all new home construction 20%+, nationwide, was spec. That does worry me. I used to do that occasionally myself.

5/05/2006 01:25:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

I keep lookin' for that silver lining, buddy.
Jr called yeaterday, from Okinawa, 99 days and a wake up.
He's happy.

I'm checkin' on buyin a cruisin' cat, at least 34 foot, with a diesel. In case the wind dies.

5/05/2006 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Well, that orta cheer ya up! \:-)

5/05/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

we've got data on the long bond going back to the late 1700's ..historically it's been over 6%. we're still below that although the bond term used is now the 10 year note...they are bring back the 30 year bond.
lagging indicator on housing.

adjusted for inflation using baseline 1980 gas prices are below where they should be.
Exxon made 80% of their enormous profit from sales OUTSIDE the USA.

people are eating more goat(honest fact).
Arizona is overbuilt,over run by illegals, has no water, navajo blanket sales are in the tank.
GM got outflanked not once, but now twice building big block gas guzzling motors at exactly the wrong time.
I'm 58, have no debt and just a tad under a million in net worth. have two homes, three cars lesss than 3 years old ...i lived way below my means most of my life..that's how you do it. that's why i dislike the redistribution Marxist mindset in Washington...
"From each acording to his abilities , to each according to their needs" Karl Marx, Dems and Reps.

5/05/2006 01:35:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

When overcome by the cares of the day, with the need for ESCAPING 'EMOTIONAL INFERNO', I turn west, to San Francisco.

New film shows drama of Golden Gate Bridge suicides -

And you thought the West Bank was bad. Is America a great country, or what? Nobody does it better.

5/05/2006 01:41:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

I shop with Socrates. When we go shopping at the agora we stroll along chatting and viewing all the items we don't need to buy, from Yukons to chocolate.

5/05/2006 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...


i'm in the same mold...our true "needs" are few.
don't get me wrong, sometimes deficit spending is necessary but it's now a way of life, be it individual or government.

So tonights movie is "The Grapes of Wrath" or maybe "Blazing Saddles"

5/05/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Bringing up "Grapes of Wrath"--my wife is always at the library--I asked her if she knew of any Latino Steinbeck out there now. She didn't but maybe there is. However one feels about the immigration problem, seems to me there is a good story there if there is a writer up to it.

5/05/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger Starling said...

The Gulf News, one of Dubai's most prominent daily newspapers, is inviting its readers to "have your say" on the Palestinian crisis, specifically the decision of the US not to fund the Hamas-lead Palestinian crisis. Interesting, about half the comments seem to have come from Westerners and half from the Middle East. There are only nine comments, all fairly short, and surprisingly well-balanced. I'd highly recommend reading them. The comments by the locals or Middle Easterners are particularly remarkable for their failure to recognize that democracy means accepting the consequences of your choices and is not an entitlement program.

These comments come on the heels of several inflammatory comments by Dubai and UAE based officials. For example,
Lieutenant General Dahi Khalfan Tamim, Chief of Dubai Police said:

"I congratulate the American president on his extraordinary ability to starve the Palestinian people. This can only be done by a leader as cruel as Mr Bush," he said. "I hope the Arab leaders jointly defy this 'humanitarian blockade' because the Palestinians are suffering greatly and they need help and support."

Even more stunning and hyperbolic is this claim by UAE national lawyer Dr Mohammad Al Rokn, former deputy chairman of the first UAE Human Rights Organisation, who said "what is happening now in Palestine is unprecedented in modern history."

He described the humanitarian crisis as "barbaric" and "a clear violation of basic human rights that are guaranteed by international covenants". "Those who are behind the siege should be brought before the international court of justice," Dr Al Rokn stressed. He sad it is "a holocaust in progress" to besiege over three million human beings and deny them much needed access to international aid."

This is not the first time in the last few days that I have heard officials or leaders say that is either "genocide" or "holocaust" for the US and EU not to fund the Hamas-led, avowedly terrorist PA.

Here is a quote from an
editorial said in the Gulf News lamenting the fact that the US can't be brought before UN's International Criminal Court and that while the EU can, it is unlikely to be:

"The European Union and the United States, jointly, have made the decision to stop sending financial assistance to the Palestinians an amount totalling $1 billion a year which is tantamount to starving Palestinians into submission, or death.

The US is not a signatory to the UN's International Criminal Court in The Hague, but members of the EU are. As such, therefore, it is theoretically possible to bring the EU to court, charged with the crime of genocide against Palestinians. "

Maybe it's because it's the end of the term and I feel pretty tired, but reading these comments makes me feel a lot less optimistic than I normally do about Dubai and the UAE.

5/05/2006 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

SDH, reckon there is a feeling that the Palis are best keep forever in thrall to the world's pocketbook? I don't get it.

On another subject, Instap links to some powerful psycho-social guilt-analysis.

5/05/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

"When people accept futility and the absurd as normal," writes French-born Jacques Barzun, "the culture is decadent. The term is not a slur; it is a technical label." (ibid)

5/05/2006 02:22:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Starling 2:03 PM,
I'm afraid its the discourse, not the end of the term responsible for a less than cheery outlook.

Hope you can keep us posted on the relationship between the rhetoric and the realities you see:

Right now it appears to me they are in congruence.
I've been worried since they gave the Palis another $50 million.

Maybe the World's Premier Example of the Evils of Welfare?

5/05/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen,

Your 2:22 - Jacques Barzun

The man is an icon. Always within six feet of my desk is a well worn copy of his From Dawn to Decadence.

Four years ago, he gave a lecture in San Antonio. He was, as I recall, 95-96 years young. As I recall, his assessment of the PA is not sanguine. While writing this, I am reminded that he and Bernard Lewis are contemporaries. One would like to think that two such powerhouses are familiar.

5/05/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Palis are a truly hosed people--hosed by USSR/Arafat, hosed by their bretheren Arabs--hosed by everyone except the people who they *think* hosed them. Pour enough hatred and lies into a people without defenses against them, and you end up with something very nearly hopeless.

5/05/2006 04:05:00 PM  
Blogger slimslowslider said...

According to CK
"When Iran's mullahs acquire their coveted nukes in the next few years, the number of Jews in Israel will just be reaching 6 million. Never again? ... "

hmmm I know this sounds a little out there but 6 million in WWII, 6 million via Iran, that leaves 6 million left in America. If 666 occurs I believe the bible talks about someone making a grand appearance.

5/05/2006 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger slimslowslider said...

oh, and i dont mean the good guy.

5/05/2006 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger Dymphna said...

Here's David Frum's article on Tommy Franks...I couldn't get the original URL further up in the comments to work. This one seems to -- I just tested it:

Who Lost Iraq?

Depressing. OTOH, it uses as its source a NYT story. I loathe the NYT. The old grey whore. And the finger-pointing general? I'd like to know his Col. John Boyd said of generals...

...well, never mind.

5/05/2006 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger diabeticfriendly said...

allen said...

Interesting you should bring up an old book. As it turns out, my Great-great-great…X 125th great grandfather did in fact write a book, also. You may be familiar with it, it’s the Tanakh. Oh, and do understand that I could have referred to my grandfather to the 145th place, but I purposefully chose to stay within the actually provable timeframe of the Essenses or 3rd C. B.C.E.
the Tanakh proves that Hebrews/Jews held title to, occupied, used, improved, and defended at least that area now recognized by the UN as Israel.

the important fact to understand is that without the jews and israel...

islam and christianity have NOTHING>>>>

without the JEWS, islam and christian beliefs are NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so dear christians and moslems, remember if you kill us, you destroy your OWN beliefs, whereas your beliefs? are meaningless to Jewish Constructs..

maybe that is the root of the problem?


5/05/2006 08:20:00 PM  
Blogger Rhy0lite said...

Has anyone considered that the Israeli government strategists have devised a win-win situation? Either the US, EU, UN, Egypt, and Jordan stop Olmert's plan or they have to deal with the consequences outside a fortified Israel.

5/05/2006 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger Oshbgosh said...

Faith? You talk about respecting faith? Please with all respect to your weak and sympathetic proclamation you respect someone for having faith, Hamas Suicide Murders have faith, the millions of Islamofacist that will reak their destruction on the world given the chance "have faith". Faith is an overrated virture thay has perpetuated mans demise since the begining of time. It is a double-edged sword. When you believe unswervily in your religion as "the one and only one" you are unwittingly part of your enimies folly.

5/05/2006 09:49:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

pork rinds for allah,

Your 8:20 PM - remember if you kill us, you destroy your OWN beliefs

I really wish you had made your case more forcefully. Ha! Ha!

Although I would have taken a more oblige tack, you are onto something that viscerally has affected both Christians and Muslims, leading to Jewish persecution, segregation, discrimination, banishment and murder. You see “jealousy” as causative. While I claim no ready label to describe the malady, I believe it existential.

For centuries, Jews have been accused by the Roman Church, Luther and the Reformers, and by Muslims of having maliciously expurgated, expunged, forged and altered the ancient Jewish texts. Say the antagonists, the rabbis did so to combat the newer revelations claimed by the other faiths. In short, for millennia the rabbis conspired and lied in order to protect a deficient faith. Then came 1948 and with it the discovery of the oldest yet known Jewish texts.

For decades, the world patiently awaited the publication of the Dead Sea Scrolls et al. The more time that passed without publication, the more the rumors and conspiracy theories grew to explain the translators’ tardiness. No matter who was faulted, it was always implicitly understood that the cause was the fear of revealing some newly discovered, earth shattering truths or revelations, long hidden from view in the Judean desert. The controversial atmosphere, throughout, was much like that now seen with the publication of the Coptic “Book of Judas.”

So, what great secret had long lain dormant in the caves of Qumran? As it turns, none – the texts proved that the Jews had been extremely conscientious preservationist of original Bible texts. Such scribal errors as had occurred during the millennia were trivial and inconsequential. Succinctly, after fifty plus years of meticulous work, modern scholars were able to confidently say that the received Jewish Tanakh had never been corrupted by Jewish scholars in reaction to the threats of Christianity or Islam. In a word, the Jewish “Bible” had always been and remained uncorrupted and true to its original formulation.

Was the authentication of the Tanakh revelatory? Oh, yes, and to a degree not entirely appreciated. You see, with the validation of the Jewish account of theology, the other faiths, reliant upon incorrect interpretations and, thereby, faulty exegeses, have some splan’n to do. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

Pork rinds, Jews always have been and remain a threat, simply by their existence and their custodianship of sacred writ. So long as Jews exist, they serve as a living indictment of the ever evolving, ever young, fall of man. But, take heart, because ultimately all will be right. Recount the words of John Adams (a man awestruck by Jews), “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”


5/06/2006 06:32:00 AM  
Blogger diabeticfriendly said...

allen stated so much, so better, so clearer than I could of...

thanks & shalom

5/06/2006 07:45:00 AM  
Blogger M. Simon said...

desert rat,

I think of how much our labor situation can be improved by getting rid of 10 million illegals with genersl unemployment at 4.7%.

This plan has genius written all over it.

5/06/2006 09:49:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Man said...

It will be tres amusant to watch the Palestinians, if and when this plan is implemented. They may say they want to be part of a Palestinian State, but they do not want to live there. They want to live in a democratic state that is not run by gangs of terrorists thugs. They will protest mightily against being fenced out of Israel.

An evil man dies and goes to hell. On his way to the fires he passes a lawyer he used to know, and who deserved to be there, making love to a beautiful woman. The man says to the demon escorting him: "Why is that man getting to make love to a beautiful woman, when I am being thrown into the burnning lake?" The demon replied: "Who am I to comment on her punishment."

5/07/2006 09:36:00 PM  
Blogger Solomon2 said...

The consistent failure of the CIA to predict other nations' development of nukes strongly suggests systemic bureaucratic pressures to not do so. I wonder if one of these is the fallacy of Control: "We can't say that X is going to develop weapons next year, because then matters will be taken out of our hands (and I'll be redundant.) Better to let X or even Y develop nukes undisturbed; then I'm sure to keep my job, they'll need me more than ever! - I'll just say it happened a little faster than predicted and blame the failings on the NRO or someone else."

5/08/2006 02:45:00 PM  

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