Saturday, April 29, 2006

George P. Shultz and the origins of the Bush doctrine

I commend to you Dan Henninger's article this morning on George Shultz, "father of the Bush doctrine." I like to think that he read this post of mine on precisely the same subject. Both are well worth reading!

133 Comments:

Blogger desert rat said...

Your piece, Mr. Substitute Host is outstanding.

I had not checked your site lately, due to the micro type sizing and font you used, when last I checked.

My eyes have gotten no better but your site's layout and design certainly have.

4/29/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger TigerHawk said...

High praise, desert rat. Thank you.

I can't account for the micro type size -- it doesn't look smaller than the type here on most browsers. Glad I changed something for the better when last I cleaned up the template.

4/29/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Desert rat said:

"I had not checked your site lately, due to the micro type sizing and font you used, when last I checked. My eyes have gotten no better but your site's layout and design certainly have."

On the upper bar of the Mozilla Browser is the command "View". If you open that, you'll find "Text Zoom". You can use that to increase text size and make it more readable. I believe Firefox has a similar setup. I recommend against using Internet Explorer because of its susceptibility to viruses and malware. Firefox and Mozilla are freeware and can be downloaded off the web.

4/29/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Eggplant recommends against IE 'cause he's running DOS!

4/29/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Tigerhawk
I appreciate being ahead of the curve. Your piece is by weeks.

eggplant,
thx, the view button may well have been my problem.
while I can train a horse or build a house and any nuber of other feats of mental capacity. I do little more than just operate the software packages installed on the machines, by those that know more about computers than I.
What I know how to do, I tend to focus upon and do well at, what I do not know about, I really do not know about.

4/29/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Tigerhawk,

I agree with Desert Rat that your substitute hosting has been outstanding.

The George P. Shultz speech was very interesting and remarkably prescient.

A basic theme in the speech that needs repeating is that terrorism relies upon the moral confusion of democratic nations.

Just imagine for a moment that America had no moonbats and the MSM was actually concerned about America's best interests. What would be the advantage of launching any terrorist action against the United States? Such actions would only cause America to hit back harder at the terrorists. The terrorists ASSUME that we are confused nihilistic cowards, i.e. moonbats. This is an assumption that the MSM has done its best to reenforce and thereby validate the terrorist's confidence in their methods.

4/29/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Len Mills, executive vice president of Associated General Contractors of South Florida, estimated at least 50 percent of workers on construction jobs in the region had not shown up for work.
"This is costing millions of dollars a day, and I don't know who is going to pay for it," he said.
"
---
Rove as Machievelli:
Open the Borders,
Stage a Kabuki Play,
Mission Accomplished.

4/29/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Moral Confusion
Helps when you have a policy of deception aimed at a population of illiterates with a tradition of believing in magic.

4/29/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Doug said:

"Eggplant recommends against IE 'cause he's running DOS!"

My computer has three hard disks and is multi-boot (I use LILO). I actually have DOS Ver. 5 on one of my hard disk's partitions along with Windows. However I'm a rabid Linux bigot and rarely boot Windows. Despite its antiquity, DOS is a nice little operating system for doing electronics projects. As a hobby, I like to hack on 68HC11 microcontrollers and automobile Powertrain Control Modules (PCM). DOS is a good environment for real-time access to microcontrollers through the RS-232.

4/29/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

308 illegal were detained by ICE in Florida and the Midwest region in the last 10 days, doug, according to your link.

That averages less than 31 per day, across a third of the Nation.
Out of 13 Million.
Even extrapulated to an annual total, 31X365, still doesn't amount to much, does it.

That does not factor the aprox 5,000 per day being detained and released along the border, recently.

As Mao said, a guerilla must swim amongst the people like fish in a school. A population of 13 Million in an underground society is a big school to get lost in.

4/29/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Eggplant:
I've got Visual Basic for DOS!
Kid turned out to be more of a network guy than programmer, however.
Also Win 3.11 for Workgroups of course!

4/29/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

To better understand the sort of duplicitous adversary Mr. Shultz addressed, see: “Life in Iraq, Part II: Civilization of Deception” at Gates of Vienna, 28 April, 2006, http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

It seems that the enemy’s modus operandi has not changed since Mr. Shultz’s seminal speech. Sadly, it does not appear that the good guys have a much better track record.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979. Eventually, that is going to take. How many innocents will perish to teach the lesson remains to be seen.

4/29/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Only 27 Years, Allen:
Don't get impatient!

4/29/2006 12:36:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Plus, since we haven't been at war with THEM, 27/2 = 13-1/2, right?

4/29/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Doug said...

"I've got Visual Basic for DOS!"

I've got the old Borland C Programming language and assembly language compilers for DOS. It's amazing what DOS could do on a computer with a megabyte of memory and a 20 Mbyte hard disk, (not that I would want to go back to those bad-old-days... shudder).

4/29/2006 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I Second Allen's Vienna Recommendation: Nice!

4/29/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Allen said:

"The Islamic Republic of Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979. Eventually, that is going to take. How many innocents will perish to teach the lesson remains to be seen."

I'm slowly coming to the opinion that we'll need to have at least one American city nuked with a million+ dead before we get completely serious.

However these is a silver lining... The loss of those million+ innocents will cause such a catharsis in our society that the LLL will end up in the same trash bin with the Nazis and divine right monoarchs.

4/29/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Tigerhawk,
I'd like to associate myself with those who believe and have given their thanks for your hosting.

I just finished the WSJ piece by Henninger. I always knew Mr. Schultz was a former Marine and that always pleased me. The brass artillery casing, the last one, brought tears to my eyes. Ronald W. Reagan was the finest president in my lifetime, bar none.
At 58 my heros from WWII are departing all to fast.
I know that when they are gone (and to the young today they never existed) we will never see their likes again. It truly makes me weep. I make no apology for using this forum as a platform to salute the men and women of the Greatest Generation.
The "boomer" generation hasn't come close to measuring up to them and I see no indications this country is headed in a direction that will ever again produce their kind.
I believe we've seen the best already.
God bless them.

4/29/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

doug,

Yeah, I am an impatient guy. Good thing the US government is the world’s paragon of placidity.

Mr. Shultz pointed out in his speech of 22 years ago the need for linguists, and that it was his understanding that sufficient means were being shifted to meeting the deficit. Well, last week, I read (somewhere) a report that the government has failed to convince Arab-Americans to enter service to address the present gross deficiency in linguists. Moreover, it was obvious to any other than ostriches after 9-11 that ME linguists would be desperately needed during the coming “long war.” Over 5 ½ years following the attack, as usual, there has been nearly (used advisedly) criminal incompetence in this area. After the passage of 22 years, the US is still unable to field qualified linguists!

To whom it may concern: the United States needs qualified linguists! While Spanglish is fun on Friday night, downtown, I’m thinking about specialists in Arabic and Farsi, for starters. Anybody home?! Hello?! Check your messages.

4/29/2006 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

eggplant 12:48

I concur with your opinion that it will take a nuclear strike to get the MP3's out of the ears of the young and awaken the citizenry to release our arsenal in it's most destructive mode.
These aren't pleasant thoughts that come easily but our public's attention span is so short that they forget how long we have been under attack. If the twin towers and Pentagon strikes are now faded in their minds that is tragic.
I think ever classroom in America should have pictures of those planes flying into those towers, their fall and the remaining rubbleand clearly define the source of those attacks. Never again.

4/29/2006 01:09:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Allen said:

"To whom it may concern: the United States needs qualified linguists! .... I’m thinking about specialists in Arabic and Farsi, for starters. Anybody home?! Hello?! Check your messages."

I actually studied Arabic for a couple years in university. It's a very interesting and remarkably logical language (much more logical than English, not that this says much). Also IMHO Arabic script when it's done right is visually attractive.

The big negative with studying Arabic is in its being a non-Indo-European language (Arabic is a Semitic language). If you learn an Indo-European language like German then it will stick in your head after you stop studying it (assuming your first language is English). However non-Indo-European languages like Arabic tend to evaporate without a trace after one stops stuyding it.

4/29/2006 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

eggplant,

Do you believe that only a single city and a million deaths will suffice to overcome the terminal Panglossian idiocy? I think you overly optimistic.

The Iranians have been routinely punching Ms. Rice and her predecessors squarely in the snout for 27 years. Despite swelling, bleeding, and pain, these numb-skulls continue to smile foolishly, while making their way to the UN to sit on the knee of Uncle Kofi.

Like Habu, I am a boomer. Honestly, I would sleep better if my daughter's generation were in charge now.

4/29/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger jd said...

desert rat 10:34 and eggplant 11:06,
Firefox = Try CTRL+.

4/29/2006 01:25:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Habu_1 said...

"I think every classroom in America should have pictures of those planes flying into those towers, their fall and the remaining rubble and clearly define the source of those attacks."

I become furious when ever I see the World Trade Buildings in an old movie. I see that empty spot in the New York skyline as a mark of dishonor. If it was up to me, I'd rebuild them as they were (with better fire resistance) and paint a bullseye on the side of each of them.

4/29/2006 01:25:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

no can do, habu.

Those pictures would cause anger and resentment, prejudicing or children into believing that there are those that would destroy US.

Not pleasent thoughts and, besides we need to drug the aggresiveness out of our children, not try to harness their energies.
To disruptive, that is what your idea is, just to damned disruptive.

Watching those Towers pancaking to the ground, we're just not ready, the physic wounds to fresh.
The children, they need more time to heal

4/29/2006 01:25:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

jd said...

"desert rat 10:34 and eggplant 11:06, Firefox = Try CTRL+"

Thank you JD, I've learned a new and useful trick. That makes my day!

4/29/2006 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

National Tragedy Sensitivity Training for All!

4/29/2006 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Al, 12:32 PM:
Is that Vienna Link Kosher?

4/29/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

If the Nuke Must come, I sure hope it arrives via a border crossing.
That way two lethal denials will be addressed at once.

4/29/2006 01:48:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

doug,

I just manually typed in "Gates of Vienna". The article I point out comes up first and is headed, "Got a Toostie Pop on Your Forehead?"

4/29/2006 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Lady ~D's Autonomist Link

4/29/2006 02:11:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I'd rather have a Vienna link than a Tootsie Pop, myself.

4/29/2006 02:12:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

....and every member of congress who has a son or daughter within the parameters of military service should be made to send their kids into a COMBAT zone. ALL future children of current or retired or defeated congressmen/women should have the Sword of Damocles placed above their cherished children's heads. It would change the debates.
Then when our forces say they need better armor or better equipmment the urgency wouldn't be in doubt.
Daddy or Mommy go to Congress, the kid goes to WAR.

4/29/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Every Politician from the North should have to attend 6 weeks of Boot Camp consisiting of intensive study in Border Towns w/campouts at night on the Border.

4/29/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

habu 2:14 PM,
Congress took $1.9 Billion from latest Iraq funding to give MORE money "to Katrina."

4/29/2006 03:04:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Have to rebuild, doug, have to rebuild.
In Iraq...
$300 Billion USD total budget
$21 Billion USD budgeted for reconstruction
$10.5 Billion USD of that siphoned for "Security" projects. That would be concrete barricades, calrops, etc.
$10.5 Billion USD actually available for reconstruction projects over past three years.

$3.4 Billion USD per annum for real reconstruction, or what?

3% of the total expenditures have been allocted to "reconstruction"?

25 Million Iraqis provided $3.4 Billion USD or $136 per year per Iraqi for reconstruction.
Almost the same as the proposed gas rebate check.

We can do at least that for US citizens, can't we?

4/29/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Doug,
Katrina ,the chocolate city of the south. And their totally incompetent mayor is actually still in the running.
Anything more said will start to sound racial and Rep. McKinney will whip my "white men can't jump" ass.
Of course we're talking about a state where "Every Man a King"...the Huey Long variety not the Rodney KING or MLK
I almost got arrested once in Louisiana for having a set of Encyclopedia Brittanica in my car in an open container. I told the officer I couldn't read so he let me go.

4/29/2006 03:19:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

that is $136 per capita per annum, per Iraqi so far, averaged out.
Spent on reconstruction, same for Security projects
$4,533 per annum per Iraqi for the "Occupation" costs.

4/29/2006 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

from the CIA fact book for Iraq

"...GDP - per capita ($3,400 (2005 est.) ..."

4/29/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

DR
In your computations did you factor in the "lying is honorable costs?"

4/29/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

heck no, habu, my envelope is not that fancy.

4/29/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

DR

it do complicate the math ..conjures a picture up of Baghdad Bob on screen saying there were no coalition forces in Baghdad..in the backgound an Abrams was roll'n, roll'n, roll'n down the boulevard.

4/29/2006 03:40:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

"If we are going to respond or preempt effectively, our policies will have to have an element of unpredictability and surprise. And the prerequisite for such a policy must be a broad public consensus on the moral and strategic necessity of action. We will need the capability to act on a moment's notice. There will not be time for a renewed national debate after every terrorist attack."

Well, 4 1/2 years (since the last attack on American soil) has provided plenty of time for national debate. Throw in an unexpectedly long and costly military engagement understood by most to be only negatively related to the war against terrorism, and broad consensus is going to be mighty hard to come by. However, that lack of consensus concerns not the necessity of action, but the direction, quality, and viability of the actions themselves.

The fundamental debate is about WHAT actions to take, not WHETHER action ought to be taken.

We are in the process of reexamining the 'what.'

Warmed-over Wilsonianism is not likely to survive the re-examination, much less another attack on American soil.

4/29/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"However, that lack of consensus concerns not the necessity of action, but the direction, quality, and viability of the actions themselves."
---
More Sensitivity Please!
---
And on the Domestic Front:
Throw the Gates Open Wide!
Why waste time and precious resources on catch and release?
(it is "good for business" ya know)
...not to mention perenial Democrat Majorities.

4/29/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

ahhh, but you forget, doug, Mr Dean of the DNC has come out for strict enforcement, at the border.
There was a thread concerning it not long ago.

Mr Dean and the DNC flanking the Party of Lincoln, on the right.

Mr Rasmussen's take on the subject is interesting.

4/29/2006 04:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

3:19 PM
Good thing the officer was having a good day:
We all know he knew yoo were sellin them things to the innocents.
Just like yoo.

4/29/2006 04:47:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

4:44 PM
Neck and Neck between the Dem and the Third Party.
GOP a distant third.
Brilliant, that man Rove, I tell you!
(Maybe just a Dem Plant)

4/29/2006 04:49:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

"More Sensitivity Please!"

Or less. Much less.

This is a VERY sensitive administration, Doug. Beware the caricature indicating otherwise.

4/29/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

From the Bush Ranch in Crawford
a report just in
all hat, no cattle.

4/29/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

3:17 PM
You know better than that 'Rat:
There is a WORLDWIDE energy squeeze.
$134 Rebates for the
"World Community"
Distributed through NGO's.
UN Oversight.

4/29/2006 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

"All Hat, no Cattle" - where I'm from them's fightin' words.... George?

4/29/2006 04:57:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The whole damn party's become quite a cast of characters.
Caricatures of leaders from the past.
"If I am re-elected, there will be Rebates for All, and Two New Mufflers in Every Garage."

4/29/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

...and Free Stuffed Turkeys, except, of course on May Days, when the plants are closed to celebrate the revolution.

4/29/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

It'd be good to see a little fight in 'em.
Maybe Mr Snow will help 'em out

4/29/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

danmyers, 4:57 PM

"fightin' words"

Now, in the spirit of sensitivity and cooperativeness, the administration will seek a UN resolution condemning your implication of gutlessness. That is also part of the Bush Doctrine, isn't it?

4/29/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

Yes DR,

I am still.. for GWB.. Waiting patiently...

4/29/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Trish, 4:01

I am positive we've already done the targeting. We know which airwings will fly the missions, and I think it will be a total surprise with absolutely devistating culture ending damage.
The only examination under review is whether our current conventional MOAB's and super MOABS can create enough underground pressure to demolish the target.
At this writing, from those I talk to is NO, it will take nuclear weapons for the deepest targets. I believe W will use them as he prays for their souls.
The public can vote on the assigned days, but he ain't wait'in for the mid terms..
Persia will no longer be a problem.

4/29/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Iran claims 40,000 suicide bombers ready to go and I believe them. This country is sane enough to realize Iraq was an unnecessary, avoidable and unworthy war. The present administration is the most inept in history. We made Iran stronger. They have outsmarted a president who does not have a concept or a clue about diplomacy or strategy. He is an exhausted fighter that has punched himself out. People cannot stand listening him. I just want him to stop. There is nothing that Iran will do that is stupid enough to force us to annihilate them. There are many smart things we could do to help bring this regime to an end and this administration will do none of them. They want to taunt us into solidifying their wrecked regime. Kosovo was a ridiculous war. We fought for the right for Islam to create another state in Europe. We bombed Christians that knew what they were up against. Why do we want to make Iran stronger by falling for their obvious strategy?

We can win against Islam. We cannot democratize it. We can let them fight their own civil war and isolate them. We can reduce the need for their oil. That is the only thing they have and the Brazilians have figured out away to substitute for oil. Brazil. We are losing the diplomatic fight on a global scale. Throw a dart at the map and you will not hit one country where this administration has enhanced American interests or prestige. Maybe Afghanistan, but who knows how that will go. I want an America that is smart, wise and tough.

4/29/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

5:06 PM habu:
Man with a iine like that, no wonder you could sell Brittanicas in New Orleans!

4/29/2006 05:11:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

...this just in from the TANG..Texas Air National Guard...

All flap and no throttle ...


Soon to change to Nuclear W and the Big Strikers.

4/29/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Why is it the Iraqi Security Advisor Minister announce a "road map" to s US pull out?

If there is such a thing, General Casey's comments of staying on schedule makes it seem that there well could be, why not have Mr Bush announce it.
Why does it come to light through Lebanon?

I hope for the best, but past performance is often a indicator of future prospects. It often is not, however.

Integrating those Shia militias into the ISF will spread the "Special Federal Police" challenge across the entire Army.

One does not need to be a prophet to see that coming. The ISF will be politisized with the inclusion of almost 70,000 militia men and their officers. Just from the Shia faction. That will be aprox a third of the total ISF.
currently 150,000 ISF
& 100,000 Police, more or less.

4/29/2006 05:18:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

2164...
You forget the Harding administration and a host of others.
Iran is expendable and should be vaporized. That message will get through.
As earlier noted the Arab world is full of cheats and liars who follow an aggressive bellicose religion. Why allow them to gain the tecnology and disseminate it to every Islamic group.
Enemy identification ..Iran ..resolution..take 'em down..no more talk talk.

4/29/2006 05:21:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Saddam plots escape, religious conversion, and conquest!

4/29/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

DR
The end result of an incoherent strategy. All while we are getting our behinds shellaced in Latin America, as you have often stated.

4/29/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Bonaparte is the model, doug
If these dictator fellows do not die, they keep popping up.

Dr Z, mini Z, and a whole host of the enemy are processed through jails around the world. Almost all but the most unloved are eventually released.

Popping up again and again, like Mr Yon's bionic runner

4/29/2006 05:28:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Sorry Habu,

GWB has reached the apogee of presidential stupidity and ineptness.

4/29/2006 05:28:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

2164....

Sorry partner but there's still plenty of thrust to call on and use. Your angst is curious. You mention a "host of things we could pursue" or something to that effect. Those previous "host of things" were all dry holes we won't drill again.
We are in the early stages of a global realignment that began with the end of the Soviet Union.
We cannot afford to be pusillanimous in the face of a developing China and a resurgent Soviet Union.
This one act of taking out Iran solves many questions and plants everlasting doubt in our future advisaries. We win.

4/29/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

"I am positive we've already done the targeting. We know which airwings will fly the missions, and I think it will be a total surprise with absolutely devistating culture ending damage."

Well, habu, I agree with all but the "total surprise" and "absolutely devastating" parts. And there's the catch.

4/29/2006 05:47:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Well, we have certainly done our share to drive up the price of oil enriching Russia, Iran and Venezuela. Our future elections will be determined by illegals who will vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Our defecits have financed a Chinese commercial expasion that is breath taking. Both ends of the Panama canal are owned by China. How much better does it get?

4/29/2006 05:47:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Last evening I attended a military function. There, a service member, heretofore of the greatest possible integrity, related to me a conversation held between he and a Marine NCO serving downrange, near an Iraqi city notorious in Marine Corps lore.

It seems that a complaint has been made by some Marines concerning a recent incident. A sniper team observed a gentleman burying an obvious IED alongside a well traveled road. It seems that the team was required to call for permission to take the shot on the gentleman. Permission was denied. Rather, the sniper team was advised to observe and await another Marine team, which would arrest the perpetrator and defuse the device.

Among other things, I am told, the various grunts involved have complained that a) why must permission be sought to engage a hostile and b) why were other Marines placed at unnecessary peril in the process of arrest and disposal?

Again, this story comes at least third-hand. It is to be hoped that it is nothing more than an exaggeration or urban legend. If not, Mr. Tony Snow, a man for whom I have had the highest regard, will have a lot of splanin’ to do, defending this rendition of the Bush Doctrine. You can bet, if true, the name Vietnam will be retrieved by the MSM.

4/29/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Trish 5:47

I'm unsure as why you think it won't be a surprise and why it won't be devistating?
Total surprise,no..we'll inform Britian,NZ,AUS..just before the strikes.
We don't need any of their bases to do the job, it'll just be a lagniappe to our allies.

4/29/2006 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Where there's a Will, there's a way."
Where's Will?

4/29/2006 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

allen..the G-2 wanted intel from the guy. they could have dropped him yeah, but why not sweat him and maybe get another piece of the puzzle in place. We've already noted our lack of liguists so get him isolated an interrogate him...then bust a cap.

4/29/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"...then bust a cap."
---
We don't do that to bionic runners.
Less someone wants to be featured in the next Pulitzer Prize.

4/29/2006 06:09:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Just so you know, allen, that type of behaviour and RoE have been the norm for at least eighteen months or so.
That was Jr's report, and it was confirmed by Mr Yon's and Mr Peter's reports.
Rules of Engagement that are not understandable, re: Mr Rumsfeld.
Catch and release, re: Mr Yon & Mr Roberts

4/29/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

doug...it was an act of self defense ..every grunt will testify to that..or their days are over.

war is hell and it's hard for those who haven't been under hot fire,arty etc to realize that what just hit you in the leg was your best friends'head. yeah bust a cap and screw the nyt.

4/29/2006 06:15:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

allen.

Don't deploy with conventional forces.

4/29/2006 06:19:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

habu 6:15 PM,
See 'Rat 6:14 PM
:-(

4/29/2006 06:21:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

2164 5:47

The yuan is in trouble as is the interior of China with rioting in the thousands by the farmers.

Wall Street just finished at a 4 year high. Interest rates have and remainat historically low levels. We spend more on plastic Santa Clauses than we do on the military(go ahead and google that you'll be dumbstruck)

Illegals can't vote.
Only the Chicago Cooke County dead can do that, it's in the rules( see 1960 election thieft by JFK)

W is so different than most other pols that it often causes a toxic shock in those who expect the president to get off with an intern in the Oval office bathroom...and you think W is dumb?

4/29/2006 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Illegals can't vote."
---
Quick, 'Rat: Where's your Mel Martinez Quote?
...POTUS has a plan for that habu, some kind of Green Card/Fast Track to citizenship scheme.

4/29/2006 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Trish your 5:47 & my 6:02 ...no reponse?

4/29/2006 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

" "There was a pretty good consensus that what we have put into the Hagel-Martinez proposal here is the right way to go," said Sen. Mel Martinez, Florida Republican. "I think he was very clear [on] pathway to citizenship, so long as it goes to the back of the line, and he even opened the door here for something we've haggled back and forth on, that you can shrink the time for people to become citizens by simply enlarging the number of green cards."

4/29/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

doug and DR..POTUS can launch a nuclear strike with no ones permission..getting a bill through congress ....maybe by 2010.

4/29/2006 06:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Bush in Closed Door Meeting with Dems, Rinos, and McCainiacs

WASHINGTON -- President Bush and a group of senators yesterday reached general agreement on an immigration bill that includes a pathway to citizenship for many illegal aliens.

But left out of the closed-door White House meeting were senators who oppose a path to citizenship. The meeting even snubbed two men who had been considered allies of Mr. Bush on immigration -- Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican and chairman of the immigration subcommittee, and Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican.

4/29/2006 06:39:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

doug...saw that yesterday.... it's far from a done deal ..the border voters will be heard and erupt in a big furball size urp.

4/29/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"That would represent a substantial change on the part of the Bush administration, which just last year said it *opposed* a path to citizenship for those currently here illegally."
---
That was then, this is now:
9-10-2001.

4/29/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

yes, habu, the President can do many things on his own. Starting a War is possible for Mr Bush, just not likely, soon.
Action is just shy of a year away, if it comes at all.

4/29/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

HABU ....now playing the role of Trish..

Habu, I don't have an answer for your question.


{Isn't that aggrivating when he does that}
Yes, it is.

4/29/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

That Montanna Water is Somethin!
...or is it the Big Sky?
That Urp we'll hear is the GOP gettin thrown out on their ears if Snow doesn't perform a miraculous Attitude Adjustment!

4/29/2006 06:49:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Anybody know Snows stance on Immigration?
...not that he'd have a Snowball's Chance.

4/29/2006 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Can someone explain that green card scheme to me?
Freeway to citizenship via green cards???

4/29/2006 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

DR

well that's what makes horse races and this country so great .. honest disourse on differences in how this nation is run..God I love it...we'd be shot by now in lots of other places ..lots

4/29/2006 06:57:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Maybe I'm wrong but I think under the War Powers Resolution the President can do anything he wants for 60 days, then has to make a report, then has another 30. The situation today fits the War Powers Resolution. I may have this wrong, but that's how I remember it.

4/29/2006 06:57:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

George P. Shultz has a Princeton Tiger tattooed on his ass, by the way. Always liked that man.

4/29/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Mr Kyl's opponent, a Mr Pederson, is already on the air, doug.
Stricter enforcement on the Border
A "Long term" solution for the guests already here.
Started as an Independent, seems he's been recruited to be a Democrat.
The floodgates are open, the irrigatin' has begun'.

Oh, habu, with motor voter and forged docs many illegals vote.

There was a Republican Congressman from Organge County, Bob ? , President contender that was along to make speaches.
Any way he lost by just a few hundred votes, a smaller number than the "immigrants" that had been registared illegally, but voted none the less, turning out ol' Bob.

4/29/2006 06:59:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

doug...i'm just guess'in here but i'll say that tony snow's stance on immigration is just like the presidents..
i feel for any person having that job for any president ... imagine the relentless pressure to pick out a neat tie every day.

4/29/2006 07:00:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Idaho, Montanna, forgot the name of that Domestic Terrorist Gang.

4/29/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

That's B-1 Bob, Habu must know him well.

4/29/2006 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

habu_1, 6:06 PM

I hope you are correct. This is the first instance of such a complaint from the troops coming through my grapevine. Because it not the usual stuff complained of by all troops at all times, it is worrisome.

Again, if true, someone is failing to adequately communicate with the guys on the line. Not unheard of, to be sure, but potentially devastating to morale, as we both know too well. If we are going to play a different game, then, everyone needs to be in the loop, especially those tasked with enforcement.

Time will tell.

4/29/2006 07:03:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Habu and bob

The Authorization for Use of Force, 14 Sept 01 gives Mr Bush and the next President, as well, carte blanche in declaring anyone an Enemy and terror sponsor.
The State Dept Terror report issued today, with Iran at the top of the list, is all he really needs.

4/29/2006 07:03:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

allen,
it already has.

4/29/2006 07:04:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

'Rat,
The spent 3.5 million investigating that, and just as the number approached a victory for Bob, dropped the investigation.
Gingrich didn't like Bob, and Army and Delay were in Combat for Newt's job.
Who's got time to count illegals?

4/29/2006 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Dr...that would be bob dornan, former radio host and republican firebreather..got knocked off by a lady of Mexican heritage....

and..
I'm shocked that there's gambling going on at Rick's, shocked too that illegals vote, why, why that's illegal and we're a nation of laws..i'm gonna write a letter...

4/29/2006 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"They" the soon to be gutless GOP, that was.

4/29/2006 07:06:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Habu 6:27 PM
"Illegals can't vote."
...that big sky must be somethin on Acid!

4/29/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Doug--You keep spellin' Montana Montanna, I will go back to the farm.

4/29/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Idahoe ?
Potatoe ??

4/29/2006 07:13:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

doug''schrooms dude, not to mention that poppies grow great up here.

golly now they've got me and they'll take away my RNC card. we'll i'm gett'in one of those VW GX3's when they come out and then the fun can begin ..

4/29/2006 07:17:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Habu's a Hopi?

4/29/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

Trish...Trish..


probably not making any points with that approach...hmmm {try charm stupid}

Miz Trish, Miz Trish, are you there? {you call that charm, you're an idiot}
Yoo Hoo Trish ....

4/29/2006 07:22:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Love me, love my Moog!
It's a Morgan knock off!

4/29/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

doug..reformed Hopi with some Carlos Castenada...you might have to google him.

4/29/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

VW GX3

4/29/2006 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

You google Carlos, I'll take the GX3!

4/29/2006 07:28:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

doug ... those Morgans were neat. Had the JAP engine purring up front, wire wheels with 5" brakes...real motoring..I'm a two time Lotus owner so i know about pain...

4/29/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_1 said...

well..time to watch a john wayne movie...tonight ..fort apache..

good times and health to all

4/29/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

It's true, Dornan got screwed, lost by a handfull of illegal votes.

4/29/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I knew a couple (no kids) that wrote for Sesame Street.
Lived half time in England, where he kept a Morgan Plus 8 with the Aluminum Buick Engine!

4/29/2006 07:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

bobal:
We'll just stay happy singing the Sunny Day Sesame Song.
...In Spanish.

4/29/2006 07:40:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Goodnight as well, got to listen to Art Bell's re-broadcast of Hoagland's non-sense about Mars(4 hours). Goodnight, fellow Maritan descendants.

4/29/2006 07:41:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Damn,that's Martian.

4/29/2006 07:43:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

:-) John Wayne and Art Bell for the Mountain Men of Belmont.
I'll retire to a coconut shack.

4/29/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Martian Men from Montanna.

4/29/2006 07:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Allen:
Gates of Fire

About two weeks ago, word came that Nohe’s case had been dismissed by a judge on 7 August. The Coalition was livid. According to American officers, solid cases are continually dismissed without apparent cause. Whatever the reason, the result was that less than two weeks after his release from Abu Ghraib, Nohe was back in Mosul shooting at American soldiers.

LTC Kurilla repeatedly told me of - and I repeatedly wrote about - terrorists who get released only to cause more trouble. Kurilla talked about it almost daily. Apparently, the vigor of his protests had made him an opponent of some in the Army’s Detention Facilities chain of command, but had otherwise not changed the policy. And now Kurilla lay shot and in surgery in the same operating room with one of the catch-and-release-terrorists he and other soldiers had been warning everyone about.

4/29/2006 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

" ... Condi and her colleagues may come home and say, privately, it ain't so. But it is so. Much of the U.S. government no longer believes in, and is no longer acting to enforce, the Bush Doctrine. "The United States of America understands and believes that Iran is not Iraq." That's a diplomatic way of saying that the United States of America is in retreat.

-William Kristol ..."


"Iran Is Not Iraq"

4/29/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

What's te date on that story, doug?

4/29/2006 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger Starling David Hunter said...

Tigerhawk,

thanks for the history lesson. I was an undergraduate at the time of Shultz's speech, and not a particularly politically-aware one at that. Still, I'd like to believe that if I had heard this speech at the time, I would have agreed with it.

What I liked most about your post was the reaction of the mainstream media outlets to the speech. What I noticed right away is that they did not deal with the substance of his argument. Rather than debate whether our moral confusion and self-defeating second guessing was appropriate, Rather, Stahl, and company chose to emphasize that pre-emption might result in the loss of innocent lives. In other words, don't act against people whose primary objective is to take innocent lives because innocent lives might be lost in the process.

Rather than debate the policy on its merits, Rather, et al, decided to highlight what little daylight existed Reagan, Bush, and Shultz, as if a small or even large rift between the three discredited the policy.

Rather than try to determine the public response to the ideas, it seems Rather, Jennings, Donaldson and company chose to link the ideas to partisan politics, election-eve pandering to Jewish groups, etc. - anything but deal with the argument on its merits .

On a peripheral note... My doctoral thesis was entitled "Information technology and Organization Structure." As with any thesis, it included a literature review. One of the first sources I came across was the book by Shultz and an essay contained therein entitled "Information technology and management organization." Here's a reference

Whisler, T. and G. Shultz (1960). "Information Technology and Management Organization." Management Organization and the Computer. G. Shultz and T. Whisler. Chicago, University of Chicago, Graduate School of Business: 3-36."


Turns out that Shultz was also on the faculty of the University of Chicago, starting in 1957. I didn't know this at first, when I found the book. When I went back to tell my advisor about the book, I asked if this was the same Shultz who had served as Reagan's Scy of State. Definitely not, I was told. It wasn't until I got to MIT and found an old book he had left behind (donated) to the library that I made the connection. He got his PhD there and taught there from 1949-1957.

The reason I mention this is that Shultz & Whisler's essay was ahead of its time in thinking about the role computers would play in organizations and the impact they'd have on managerial work. The book they put together was an edited volume from an academic conference put on in 1958 that assembled some of the best minds around. Among them was Herbet Simon, the most prolific social scientist of the last 50 years and later a Nobel prize winner. The conference came on the heels of an extremely controversial (for the time) article appearing in Harvard Business review entitled "Management in the 1980's" about what management would lool like 25 years hence.

Shulz was 20 years ahead of his time in 1958 in his academic work and he was 20 years ahead of his time in 1984 when he made the speech about terrorism. We are lucky to have had such a man serving our nation.

Finally, it is very telling that he served in one capacity or another several administrations, but not Carter's. Very, very telling

4/29/2006 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

'Rat,
August 31st, 2005
Seems so long ago, but not far away.

4/29/2006 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Starling,
As you no doubt know, before Dubai and Halliburton, was the evil BECHTEL Company!
CorpWatch : US: Bechtel criticized over school project in Iraq
Questions about the performance in Iraq by San Francisco-based Bechtel come as ... of State George Schulz and former defense secretary Caspar Weinberger.

4/29/2006 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

habu,

All we have to do is wait and see. You and me.

4/29/2006 08:48:00 PM  
Blogger TigerHawk said...

Starling David Hunter --

Thank you kindly for the elaborating comments -- very interesting indeed.

Shultz is remarkable, and spoke with a clarity that we did not get from Madeleine Albright. Of course, she may still be jockeying for a position in the next administration, whereas Shultz is retired for good.

4/29/2006 08:50:00 PM  
Blogger HawkishLibertarian said...

Communism, although discredited is, nevertheless on the rise AND JUST DIRECTLY SOUTH of us Cuba,Venezuela and Bolivia only two days ago signed a communistic pact and Peru and Nicaragua and maybe Mexico are on the verge of soon joining them.

4/30/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Blogger fred said...

We are most fortunate for having had a thinker like George P. Shultz serving this country for the years he occupied his varying capacities.

You could palpably sense the opposition building among the Left, MSM, and various foundations and academia after that Bush address to Congress in October of '01. The opposition overseas was also substantial.

To me the reason for foreign opposition to this policy is obvious. There are some semi-powerful nations out there, as well as a former enemy in Moscow, who know that the new way to wage war against us is low-intensity, proxy war. And that means terrorism. If we take that instrument away from them, the entire ballgame changes, as well as the global dynamics of trade and economics.

5/01/2006 12:23:00 PM  

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