Helplessly Hoping
We learn from Khaleej Times Online that philanthrophists purchased greenhouses that were left behind by withdrawing Israelis for use by impoverished Palestinians.
NEW YORK — American Jewish philanthropists contributed $14 million to buy former Gaza settlers’ greenhouses for Palestinians, a news report said yesterday. Without the funds, the Jewish settlers would have destroyed the greenhouses to keep them out of Arab hands as they were forced out of Gaza Strip, The New York Times said. The greenhouses provide jobs for 3,500 Palestinians and had been a lucrative market for fresh produces for Jewish settlers.
That was yesterday. It was good while it lasted. USA Today reports that the greenhouses have been ransacked and destroyed.
NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip (AP) — Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip. ... Palestinian police stood by helplessly Tuesday as looters carted off materials from greenhouses in several settlements, and commanders complained they did not have enough manpower to protect the prized assets. In some instances, there was no security and in others, police even joined the looters, witnesses said.
The real wealth of nation lies with its people, who are forged in part by the expectations we hold of them. The Left has expected so little of those they've named as victims: they will not be disappointed.
posted by wretchardthecat at 9/13/2005 07:15:00 PM
62 Comments:
Do you think the Palestinians are the moral & political equivalent of those thugs in New Orleans that shot at helicopters and rescuers, and torched buildings for the heck of it?
It's hard to get one's mind around that kind of destructiveness...
For the Jews who foolishly donated the greenhouses to the Palestinians, they badly need to learn what "The Tragedy of the Commons" is.
For the Palestinians, though, this destruction makes perfect sense. Why should the Palestinians maintain their own greenhouses, grow their own vegetables, or do *anything at all* for themselves when at any time they can just hit up the USA and the international community for more charity?
The Palestinians are the spoiled juvenile delinquents of the world.
Mubarak called an early election and allowed opposition in order to give legitmacy to the results. One might wonder if he did so in order to use that legitimacy as a cover when he deals with the Pali pustule of Gaza firmly embedded in Egypts butt.
Why would Egypt tolerate Hamas terrorists running training camps which will send splodeydopes into Egypt as surely as they send them into Israel?
Perhaps Israel's wall will actually be the border with Egypt in the not too distant future.
If we are lucky, some leftists will finally gain some sense from this mindless action!
Huh? It just shows how much the Palestinians suffered under the occupation. You know, if you were oppressed for so long you would act out in a similar manner.
Peace campaigners get Gandhi award:
The third Mahatma Gandhi International Award for Reconciliation and Peace will be awarded today to two women who have campaigned tirelessly for peace between Palestinians and Israelis.
The award will be presented to Hanan Ashwari and Zehava Galon after the Gandhi Lecture, which begins the fourth Celebrate eThekwini Festival today.
http://www.themercury.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=283&fArticleId=2875466
End to inter-faith friction stressed: Palestine, Kashmir issues:
President Musharraf said that specific efforts should be made to bring benefits of development to societies facing problems of interfaith friction and extremism. “Such support should aim at poverty eradication and generation of socio-economic growth and human development.”
The international community, he said, should adopt and implement a comprehensive strategy for promoting cooperation and understanding among faiths and cultures.
“Such a strategy should be inclusive — involving governments, civil society, private sector, media and international organizations.
http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/14/top3.htm
Rick said: "Perhaps Israel's wall will actually be the border with Egypt in the not too distant future."
Lots of truth to this. Isreal serves a purpose to many Arab governments by keeping the focus of Palestinian hate and destruction away from themselves.
Ever notice that a thing becomes its activity in our language?
Xerox means to copy.
A toilet is a Crapper.
Vandals vandalize.
And to be a Palestinian is to loot and steal with no thought for the future.
New Orleans was Palestined!
Baron Bodissey said...
Do you think the Palestinians are the moral & political equivalent of those thugs in New Orleans that shot at helicopters and rescuers, and torched buildings for the heck of it?
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no but they are in administratively similiar situations.
The whole reason for the big stink out of new orleans was that the people from the "Projects" behaved badly and made their administrators look bad. Their administrators belong to powerful government unions, work in federal agencies like HUD and live well in places like Prince Georges County, MD. The burbs. The projects people keep their administrators employed. You see the Projects are not really about the Projects People but rather about their Administrators.
A similiar process is at work with the palestinians. their leadership has also found a way to get dole money. But to maintain the flow of money they have to warp the character of their people.
The Left has lent legitimacy to a generation of modern barbarians. But they are by no means the guiltiest men of Western Civilization. We have let them define the nature of virtue. They have convinced us that there is virtue in depravity, and we agreed. They have convinced us that there is virtue in selflessness and we agreed. They have convinced us that there is virtue in tolerance and we agreed. They have convinced us that there is virtue in sacrifice and we agreed. The have convinced us that there is guilt in achievement and we agreed. Now when the most depraved humans on the planet proclaim our guilt as reason to demand that we tolerate the sacrifice of our achievement to their violent overtures, on what basis can we defend our existence?
The sack of Western Civilization has begun.
Dan from Cos said: The “Palestinians” will forever be “poor” materially and spiritually as long as the world’s left feeds them…..fish.
Nay, I say. The "Palestinians" will forever be "poor" materially and spiritually so long as they refuse to become true fishers of men.
The Right Track:
Ayear into the job as Great Britain’s Am-bassador to Egypt, Sir Derek Plumbly says the potential for strong economic relations between the two countries has never been better.
Plumbly sat down with Business Today Egypt to break down economic relations between Britain and Egypt and reflect on other regional issues.
Critics say the UK is a follower of US policies, especially when it comes to Palestine and Iraq. What do you say?
I say this is not true. I mean we are different in some areas and very close in others.
http://www.businesstodayegypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=2382
From an Iranian site:
Zionist troops murder Palestinian teenager:
The Israeli occupation authorities acknowledged the murder, saying the youths were hurling stones toward the Israeli troops.
Since the outbreak of the Palestinian uprising against the Israeli occupation of Palestine, Zionist forces and paramilitary Jewish terrorists killed thousands of Palestinians, the vast bulk of them innocent civilians.
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0509145932100928.htm
Cedarford,
There are thousands of Palestinians in the USA leading productive lives because there is nothing intrinsically wrong with them as individuals. But we must tread carefully here, lest we conclude that Palestinians might prosper in a free and law abiding society; because the inescapable conclusion of that dangerous line of thinking is that they will never prosper under the likes of Hamas and Fatah.
But if we were rash enough to believe that law and freedom were needed so that Palestinians could become like their 220,000 compatriots in the US it would follow that even if we gave the Arabs the entire state of Israel and dismantled every trace of Jewish culture down to the last stone; that for so long as they remained under the spell of the current political culture, they would still be doomed to burn their livelihoods down.
The Middle East peace process can never be measured solely in terms of how much land Israel gives up; it must also be measured by how much Arab political culture changes. Because it is political culture, and little else, that distinguishes the 220,000 US Palestinians from the men who burned the greenhouses.
Gaza-Egypt border bustles with celebrations:
Mahmoud Awad, 18, was among the crowds of Palestinians who climbed over the wall on Monday, and who crossed into Egypt just after the last Israeli troops left Gaza on Monday. Awad returned to Gaza yesterday with a sack of bargain schoolbooks, memories of beautiful Egyptian women, and swelling joy at having seen his parents, who live on the other side, for the first time in five years.
In Rafah yesterday, people said they wanted to enjoy the window of openness.
The concrete-block city, one of the grimmest places in impoverished Gaza, has been divided by the border wall since 1982; many families have been split between the Egyptian and Gaza sides.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2005/09/14/gaza_egypt_border_bustles_with_celebrations/?page=1
I suppose in Islam their actions can be justified. The spoils of war.
Gaza is being seen clearly by the rest of the Muslim world as a military victory by the Palestinian people against the Jews.
Charles, 10:01 PM
re,
"The Projects are not really about the Projects People but rather about their Administrators."
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I think about 18% of welfare dollars spent are transferred directly to recipients.
Leaving 80% to travel via various and sundry paths through the Haves.
The Haves in Hawaii, that is the Democrat "Leaders" got their way yesterday when their gas price controls finally kicked in after being passed several years ago.
Prices quickly shot up 48 cents/Gallon!
It's so good to have whole classes of people employed and committed to helping others.
But of course they help themselves, while the "helped" go to hell.
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Then we have oil for food,
Bucks for Baby Bombers,
and so on.
it must also be measured by how much Arab political culture changes.
There is the crux of it all Wretchard.
The goal of the Iraq intervention is to set up a liberal democracy and show it can work for Arabs. There is a reason many of the Palestinian professionals that Cedarford refers to do not work in Palestine and it is not because of the Jooooooish state.
While Iraq is going okay (much better than the Mainstream Misleaders let on or want to confess to) we will have to wait until after our troops have left and the new Iraqi government has been on its own for a while.
The question for Iraq then is, is there a genuine self-government by the people or a cargo-cult democracy?
Mr. k,
Good to see you care.
I was starting to think only marcus and C4 had escaped the cynicism that infects this thread.
OT,
The Scandal of the racist, much delayed federal response:
"What began as an annual routine flight refresher for Hawaii-based Lt. Cmdr. Thomas Meyer developed into the most emotional and demanding moments in the 14 years he has been in the Coast Guard.
Meyer spent more than a week flying an HH-65 Dolphin helicopter up to seven hours a day while volunteering in the New Orleans area. His crew rescued about 200 people from rooftops, balconies, streets, apartment buildings and other high-ground areas during eight days.
"The silence of the air crew spoke for itself," said Meyer in trying to describe the depth of destruction caused by Hurricane Katrina. "The devastation was just cataclysmic. I have never seen anything like it."
Meyer was in Mobile, Ala., ready to begin a week of refresher training Aug. 27 when the hurricane warning was posted for the Gulf Coast. There are still 14 other Hawaii-based Coast Guard members in the Gulf Coast area.
He said that from the beginning, Homeland Security officials "made it clear what our mandate was." Before the eye of the hurricane passed the shoreline, Coast Guard aircraft and crews were ready to move in, he said.
Coast Guard air crews from the Baton Rouge area, Meyer said, "were some of the first aircraft into the city (New Orleans)."
. _____Rescue_____
Cheer up! The bleeding heart that bought the greenhouses can go clean their toilets - that will make him feel better about it all.
P.S. - as long as the Western industrial combines are dependent on arab oil we will continue to go around with fecal matter on our lips whining about how bad they are
BTW,
My first comment was 100% sarcasm.
You're right, Goesh. Oil dependence pays for the maintenance and propagation of this disease.
Are you ready to demand higher gas taxes to discourage consumption, write Congress for a restart of the PNGV, trash your SUV, convert to a gas-optional hybrid or pure EV, and the other measures necessary to do something about it?
(Sorry about the drift, but this isn't going to get done unless we do something about it, and that means making the changes and paying the costs on a personal level.)
Charles --
Their administrators belong to powerful government unions, work in federal agencies like HUD and live well in places like Prince Georges County, MD.
Actually, the really powerful administrators live in Montgomery County, MD, and Loudon County, VA.
I used to be a DC-noid, so I know the political-residential geography up there well. Prince Georges is low-rent.
Hey, look at it this way. The Palestinians clearly are exceptional people. In most third world countries it would take a year or two, perhaps more, to reduce something they had been given to utter worthlessness. They got it all done inside a day.
Baron: Yep, PG county is low rent. Used to base my airplane there. Finally had to stop gassing it up except just before flight because the fuel would mysteriously disappear otherwise.
Nearby "Chuck" county is a little better.
Buffy: As to the cream of the Palestiniasn heading to the West, I think you are right, but.... Kuwaitt used to have lots of Palestinians. They were there Filipino-style, doing the work the locals would not. But in 1990 they came down solidly on the side of Saddam. When we kicked Saddam out, the Kuwaitiis told the Palestinians to leave, and right now.
You can take the boy out of Palestine but you can't take the Palestiniansim out of the boy.
There is no true arab people called "Palestinian", what is living in the gaza and west bank are arabs from all parts of the middle east, if you look at the total population that has MOVED into the area you will find that MOST did not have relatives living there (locally)100 years ago. These are not the best and brightest, these are bottom dwellers, the poor, the uneducated all being set up to be led by a evil gang set up by egypt in 1966. The PLO was funded and formed and supported by the arabs and the ussr to "fight" israel. The reward the Tunisan Mob (arafat the egyptian & company) was the promise of the lands of israel. Gaza and the west bank were LOST after additional attempts to destroy and conquer Israel.
So now we have the crypts and the bloods, all funded with billions of dollars by the petro dollars and the bleeding hearts of the west, they even have their own UN representative and programs, they do not seek the end of refugees, they seek NEVER to stop being perpetual refugeees, they are tasked with freeing all infidel infected lands.
Can the west transform the fake people "palestine" into a real people? Can the the fake history of these carpet baggers actually become real?
I doubt it, long after c4, arafat and millions of arabs are long dust in the wind, the Jews will still hold Jerusalem as thier eternal captial, I doubt this odd experiment of human husbandtry (the palestinian culture & so called people) will last. No other people in the history of the world grows it's young to die. No other people in the world create nothing but death and destruction.
The 200,000 arabs that live in the usa that migrated from those areas are the lucky ones, but somehow as "palestinians" seek to start another child bomb war I bet more and more so called proud palestinians will become, quietly, Americans, of who knows? what lineage.
Engineer-poet: darn right I am - I get almost 40 mpg with what I've got now and I don't do unnecessary driving and I am willing to pay a whole lot more for gas and fully tap Alaska and I've written letters more than once. I also advocate the concept of total war when dealing with terrorism. It must be nice to be a hamas member and be on the State Dept.'s list of terrorist orgnanizations, attack our ally Israel and be totally exempt from any US retaliation. It must be nice to parade with arms, wearing masks as hamas does , knowing that neither the US or Israel can do a damn thing about it. It must be nice indeed. It must be nice to send a few suicide jihadis to Iraq to kill American soliders and Iraqis and not even have the fact mentioned in the media. I would be pissing on the American flag and a picture of Bush in public every day and having al jazeera publish pictures of it. Talk about rallying people......
The 200,000 "Palestinian Arab" are not Palestinian and are not Arab. Neither are they of the Muslim death cult meme. These are Christians that fled from what are now PA/Jihadi controlled areas. Many of these Christians took on the "national identity" and cause of Jihad as a mechanism of self defense, hoping that such an alliance might help preserve their Christian heritage in a Muslim dominated area. When the Jihadis finally solidified their hold in these areas (with the help of the EU and the US), these Christians were forced to face a simple reality -- They are not Muslim.
Marcus,
It's not humor unless it has a grain of truth. .-)
No matter how many helicopters I shoot at no-one will stop and help ME.
dan 8:24
bravo....
well said....
Pork,
If they really are perpetual refugees, why couldn't engineer poet harness all that excess energy in one of those rat race devices and break the surly bonds of the second law of thermodynamics? ...and the Palis could be perpetually tasked with freeing all infidel lands infected w/the energy dependence virus.
c,
We just gotta get them folk edjudicated:
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ARMADO. [To HOLOFERNES] Monsieur, are you not lett'red?
MOTH. Yes, yes; he teaches boys the hornbook. What is a, b, spelt backward with the horn on his head?
HOLOFERNES. Ba, pueritia, with a horn added.
MOTH. Ba, most silly sheep with a horn. You hear his learning.
HOLOFERNES. Quis, quis, thou consonant?
MOTH. The third of the five vowels, if You repeat them; or the fifth, if I.
HOLOFERNES. I will repeat them: a, e, I-
MOTH. The sheep; the other two concludes it: o, U.
If I could be c,
I would be Costard.
c,
Rove's labor was lost on this lady:
Rush describes her as Donna, Explanation for the Divorce Rate in America .
You don't have to read the whole thing to get his point.
His original post with him rolling his eyes and holding his head as she droned on was even funnier.
Palestinian authorities were looking the other way…”We are letting them blow off steam, things will be back to normal in a few days.” Can hardly wait for normalcy to return.
CALLER: So we both know that President Bush has a very good, um, analyst, and he knows, um, that it's very important to present a certain picture, a certain image, say certain words because the average consuming public is going to get their ten-second snippets on the news and it will look good.
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And before poor W got sucked into this game, all HE cared about was if his BLT had enuff Maonaise.
What I meant to say to start out with, of course.
Was,
If I cUd b u.
I WuD b C.
And C wUd b mE.
And mE WuD b Costard.
But mI brane wuz mush,
(LIke Custard)
How could ANYone think they were superior to the Bard, in his day?
Or any Democrat during this airing of Mr. Rogers?
Lousiana's Head of Disaster Recovery is at a Symposium in New York!
(Hewitt)
(they did not foresee the danger to emergency workers when they were planning.
Guess they didn't know their mayor too well.)
Guy's name is Lou. Sis is Louis.
Teacher in NY City says he has lots of students from Russia/Ukraine and when they see a map they point and say
"That's my country!"
He points out that THIS is their country now, but says they're just here to get whatever they can.
Says some are Jews from the Ukraine who harbor Ukranian Pride.
He points out they killed Jews, but I guess that's ancient history, or history never learned!
C4,
I'm a racially pure mongrel.
Cedarfard: Start with the racially pure nation proposition the Zionists advocated..
What idiot thought this ever was to be a practical proposition? That, let's say, Jews from "Arabia" only will to be allowed back to their ancestral lands in Judea? Cedarfard?
i wrote :There is no true arab people called "Palestinian", what is living in the gaza and west bank are arabs from all parts of the middle east, if you look at the total population that has MOVED into the area you will find that MOST did not have relatives living there (locally)100 years ago.
c4 answers sort of: Actually, Y-Haploid chromosome studies of the people in the area show the least genetic drift from the orginal people of ancient Canaan is with the Separdic Jews and the Palestinians. If you look at genetic relatedness from the perspective of a target with rings, those two occupy the bull's eye. "The cousins" as both sides call them.
Like I said there is no such thing as an Arab Palestinian people, but you prove my point, that the Jews cannot be colonists if their DNA is very close to other arabs that live there, then the JEWS cannot be occupiers and colonists but rather natives....
hey c4 can you say shalom?
c4: Start with the racially pure nation proposition the Zionists advocated, Dan. That was music to the National Socialists ears, and served as a template for Aryan purity.
(Early Zionists believed Jews were a race and discussed a pure Homeland and a pure people occupying it in racial terms)
Yes you start with the concept that jews could live in a country that jews ran / controlled, unlike any other nation in the world where jews were 3 class subhumans. No where in Zionist dreams was there a hope for racial purity as you speak, jews wanted to SURVIVE as a group, is that what you call racial purity?
c4: destroying the delicate balance that existed between Christian and Muslim before Israel came to be
yes aint it a shame the original owners, the jews, demand the right to live in their historic homeland, i bet that pissed the arabs off enough to murder jewish babies and women.... starting in 1885...
nice balance when arabs have their foot on your back and a knife at your throats... sorry i dont like that balance
Well, as our defense chief said, "Stuff happens...democracy is messy."
Cwhig
C4: Build good fences, Pork, treat your Pal neighbors as human beings, and who knows? Perhaps one day Israelis be saying shalom to Palestinians.
So here it is folks, the real problem... if only the Israelis were nice to the Palestinians...
Utter nonsense......
How about this..
Dear Palestinians,
I wont die and go away, f*ck off.
Have a nice day, far away from me, you murderous death cult bastards....
anybudee: Don't hate.
Hate is a virus. Once you have it, it never goes away.
For everything there is a season,
And a time for every matter under heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die;
A time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal;
A time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
A time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to throw away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
A time to embrace, And a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to seek, and a time to lose;
A time to keep, and a time to throw away;
A time to tear, and a time to sew;
A time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate,
A time for war, and a time for peace.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
Hating Evil is required and good...
Shataqat,
Habibi? More like majnun.
from al ahram:
The security situation in Gaza is rapidly deteriorating. In the last week, six Gazans were killed and 89 injured due to internal violence emanating from family disputes, the explosion of a Hamas weapons site, and an operation mounted by the Popular Resistance Committee (PRC) -- levels of violence similar to that experienced during Israeli incursions.
Last Thursday night, masked members of the PRC -- an umbrella group of resistance factions -- shuffled from one side of a dark street in Gaza City to the other choosing the best location for their press conference to announce the release of Menhal Arafat, a PA security official, whom they had held hostage for nearly two days. His release was brokered by an Egyptian delegation in Gaza on condition that he is prosecuted for alleged crimes, including embezzlement. Two day earlier, PRC members dragged his father, Moussa Arafat, former security chief and head of military intelligence, into the street and shot him to death.
not to mention the EIGHT that DIED at the coast swimming in the sea.......
It seems the Pali's dont have a functioning baywatch team, it's hard for the islamic Pam Anderson to swim with a burka on... so Allah let's them die...
question, if a pali's die not trying to murder a jew, does he still get 72 virgins in heaven?
c4:
the usual method (idf) was to go in and select and rape & kill a portion of the Arab villagers or farmers along the conquest front - then send the survivors to warn more distant farms and villages to flee.
please prove this...
c4: As when you say Christians were welcome to stay during the 1948 Ethnic cleansing.
British scholars reviewed the tapes from 1964-66
so you say there are tapes made in 1964-1966 are of events in 1948...
wow, what a time machine.....
wait, i have to go, the History channel is showing the Twight Zone again
c4: As when you say Christians were welcome to stay during the 1948 Ethnic cleansing. They weren't. (in israel)
Yes c4, the lands of israel are christian free! opps that's the PA controled WEST BANK I was thinking of....
Yes c4 the ARAB world has cleansed it'sself of jews and christians and yet you still point your bony finger at israel, me thinks you protest to much....
c4: Thus, all the Muslims and Christians deserved to lose all their land and property and not get a shekel - because they VOLUNTARILY ABANDONED IT --- making it all private or public Jewish asssets.
or you could say and be truthful:
Thus, all the Jews deserved to lose all their land and property and not get a shekel - because they VOLUNTARILY ABANDONED IT --- making it all private or public arab asssets.
this occured in 21 nations of the arab world, any comment? nope, just worried about your pals the suicide death cult lot called "palestinians"?
c4: The tapes actually showed Arab broadcasts encouraging Christians and Muslims to stay and fight
please list all tapes, please list those tapes that say "stay and fight"...
do you have transcripts? or are you just ad hoc editing as you go?
c4: Some Jews rebelled against this terror, like in Jerusalem, Haifa, the Negev, and Galilee - preserving those non-Jews.
so you just listed MOST of 1948 israel, with the exception of Tel Aviv (which never had a large christian or arab population)
so are you now saying, there are isolated cases of rape by israeli's?
please list ANY victims names and dates...
C4 quotes Benny Hill, opps I mean Morris..
Morris is not a shining example of being a historian
How to counter Benny? read and learn in context the wars of 1948 & 1967, understand the beginings of a state when surrounded by MILLIONs of arab seeking it's destruction, so to glibbly look back at the israeli position of defensible borders pointing a bony finger at the attacked israelis and say "how dare you win the battles we start" "how dare you push us out" when at the same time a larger amount of jews were being cleasned from the arab world is being dishonest...
So during ww2 the arabs supported hitler and helped to make "being a jew" impossible, and then refused to support the UN in 1948 in forming 2 states, then when those same arabs loose a bid to destroy israel and find that 700k of arabs have left the "ZIONIST" entities lands (100k stayed) and joined their brother arabs in judenfree lands of the arab world you now say, look at those bad israelis for emptying 600 arab villiages..
to f*cking bad.....
tell ya what c4, match up property loses from the jews in the arab world vrs those arabs in the jewish world and we have a solution, btw, in all those tapes from 1948 - 1964 never was the word "palestinian" uttered...
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