George P. Shultz and the origins of the Bush doctrine
I commend to you Dan Henninger's article this morning on George Shultz, "father of the Bush doctrine." I like to think that he read this post of mine on precisely the same subject. Both are well worth reading!
posted by TigerHawk at 4/29/2006 10:03:00 AM
83 Comments:
Your piece, Mr. Substitute Host is outstanding.
I had not checked your site lately, due to the micro type sizing and font you used, when last I checked.
My eyes have gotten no better but your site's layout and design certainly have.
High praise, desert rat. Thank you.
I can't account for the micro type size -- it doesn't look smaller than the type here on most browsers. Glad I changed something for the better when last I cleaned up the template.
Eggplant recommends against IE 'cause he's running DOS!
Tigerhawk
I appreciate being ahead of the curve. Your piece is by weeks.
eggplant,
thx, the view button may well have been my problem.
while I can train a horse or build a house and any nuber of other feats of mental capacity. I do little more than just operate the software packages installed on the machines, by those that know more about computers than I.
What I know how to do, I tend to focus upon and do well at, what I do not know about, I really do not know about.
"Len Mills, executive vice president of Associated General Contractors of South Florida, estimated at least 50 percent of workers on construction jobs in the region had not shown up for work.
"This is costing millions of dollars a day, and I don't know who is going to pay for it," he said."
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Rove as Machievelli:
Open the Borders,
Stage a Kabuki Play,
Mission Accomplished.
Moral Confusion
Helps when you have a policy of deception aimed at a population of illiterates with a tradition of believing in magic.
308 illegal were detained by ICE in Florida and the Midwest region in the last 10 days, doug, according to your link.
That averages less than 31 per day, across a third of the Nation.
Out of 13 Million.
Even extrapulated to an annual total, 31X365, still doesn't amount to much, does it.
That does not factor the aprox 5,000 per day being detained and released along the border, recently.
As Mao said, a guerilla must swim amongst the people like fish in a school. A population of 13 Million in an underground society is a big school to get lost in.
Eggplant:
I've got Visual Basic for DOS!
Kid turned out to be more of a network guy than programmer, however.
Also Win 3.11 for Workgroups of course!
To better understand the sort of duplicitous adversary Mr. Shultz addressed, see: “Life in Iraq, Part II: Civilization of Deception” at Gates of Vienna, 28 April, 2006, http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
It seems that the enemy’s modus operandi has not changed since Mr. Shultz’s seminal speech. Sadly, it does not appear that the good guys have a much better track record.
The Islamic Republic of Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979. Eventually, that is going to take. How many innocents will perish to teach the lesson remains to be seen.
Only 27 Years, Allen:
Don't get impatient!
Plus, since we haven't been at war with THEM, 27/2 = 13-1/2, right?
I Second Allen's Vienna Recommendation: Nice!
doug,
Yeah, I am an impatient guy. Good thing the US government is the world’s paragon of placidity.
Mr. Shultz pointed out in his speech of 22 years ago the need for linguists, and that it was his understanding that sufficient means were being shifted to meeting the deficit. Well, last week, I read (somewhere) a report that the government has failed to convince Arab-Americans to enter service to address the present gross deficiency in linguists. Moreover, it was obvious to any other than ostriches after 9-11 that ME linguists would be desperately needed during the coming “long war.” Over 5 ½ years following the attack, as usual, there has been nearly (used advisedly) criminal incompetence in this area. After the passage of 22 years, the US is still unable to field qualified linguists!
To whom it may concern: the United States needs qualified linguists! While Spanglish is fun on Friday night, downtown, I’m thinking about specialists in Arabic and Farsi, for starters. Anybody home?! Hello?! Check your messages.
eggplant,
Do you believe that only a single city and a million deaths will suffice to overcome the terminal Panglossian idiocy? I think you overly optimistic.
The Iranians have been routinely punching Ms. Rice and her predecessors squarely in the snout for 27 years. Despite swelling, bleeding, and pain, these numb-skulls continue to smile foolishly, while making their way to the UN to sit on the knee of Uncle Kofi.
Like Habu, I am a boomer. Honestly, I would sleep better if my daughter's generation were in charge now.
no can do, habu.
Those pictures would cause anger and resentment, prejudicing or children into believing that there are those that would destroy US.
Not pleasent thoughts and, besides we need to drug the aggresiveness out of our children, not try to harness their energies.
To disruptive, that is what your idea is, just to damned disruptive.
Watching those Towers pancaking to the ground, we're just not ready, the physic wounds to fresh.
The children, they need more time to heal
National Tragedy Sensitivity Training for All!
Al, 12:32 PM:
Is that Vienna Link Kosher?
If the Nuke Must come, I sure hope it arrives via a border crossing.
That way two lethal denials will be addressed at once.
doug,
I just manually typed in "Gates of Vienna". The article I point out comes up first and is headed, "Got a Toostie Pop on Your Forehead?"
Lady ~D's Autonomist Link
I'd rather have a Vienna link than a Tootsie Pop, myself.
Every Politician from the North should have to attend 6 weeks of Boot Camp consisiting of intensive study in Border Towns w/campouts at night on the Border.
habu 2:14 PM,
Congress took $1.9 Billion from latest Iraq funding to give MORE money "to Katrina."
Have to rebuild, doug, have to rebuild.
In Iraq...
$300 Billion USD total budget
$21 Billion USD budgeted for reconstruction
$10.5 Billion USD of that siphoned for "Security" projects. That would be concrete barricades, calrops, etc.
$10.5 Billion USD actually available for reconstruction projects over past three years.
$3.4 Billion USD per annum for real reconstruction, or what?
3% of the total expenditures have been allocted to "reconstruction"?
25 Million Iraqis provided $3.4 Billion USD or $136 per year per Iraqi for reconstruction.
Almost the same as the proposed gas rebate check.
We can do at least that for US citizens, can't we?
that is $136 per capita per annum, per Iraqi so far, averaged out.
Spent on reconstruction, same for Security projects
$4,533 per annum per Iraqi for the "Occupation" costs.
from the CIA fact book for Iraq
"...GDP - per capita ($3,400 (2005 est.) ..."
heck no, habu, my envelope is not that fancy.
"However, that lack of consensus concerns not the necessity of action, but the direction, quality, and viability of the actions themselves."
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More Sensitivity Please!
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And on the Domestic Front:
Throw the Gates Open Wide!
Why waste time and precious resources on catch and release?
(it is "good for business" ya know)
...not to mention perenial Democrat Majorities.
ahhh, but you forget, doug, Mr Dean of the DNC has come out for strict enforcement, at the border.
There was a thread concerning it not long ago.
Mr Dean and the DNC flanking the Party of Lincoln, on the right.
Mr Rasmussen's take on the subject is interesting.
3:19 PM
Good thing the officer was having a good day:
We all know he knew yoo were sellin them things to the innocents.
Just like yoo.
4:44 PM
Neck and Neck between the Dem and the Third Party.
GOP a distant third.
Brilliant, that man Rove, I tell you!
(Maybe just a Dem Plant)
From the Bush Ranch in Crawford
a report just in
all hat, no cattle.
3:17 PM
You know better than that 'Rat:
There is a WORLDWIDE energy squeeze.
$134 Rebates for the
"World Community"
Distributed through NGO's.
UN Oversight.
The whole damn party's become quite a cast of characters.
Caricatures of leaders from the past.
"If I am re-elected, there will be Rebates for All, and Two New Mufflers in Every Garage."
...and Free Stuffed Turkeys, except, of course on May Days, when the plants are closed to celebrate the revolution.
It'd be good to see a little fight in 'em.
Maybe Mr Snow will help 'em out
danmyers, 4:57 PM
"fightin' words"
Now, in the spirit of sensitivity and cooperativeness, the administration will seek a UN resolution condemning your implication of gutlessness. That is also part of the Bush Doctrine, isn't it?
Iran claims 40,000 suicide bombers ready to go and I believe them. This country is sane enough to realize Iraq was an unnecessary, avoidable and unworthy war. The present administration is the most inept in history. We made Iran stronger. They have outsmarted a president who does not have a concept or a clue about diplomacy or strategy. He is an exhausted fighter that has punched himself out. People cannot stand listening him. I just want him to stop. There is nothing that Iran will do that is stupid enough to force us to annihilate them. There are many smart things we could do to help bring this regime to an end and this administration will do none of them. They want to taunt us into solidifying their wrecked regime. Kosovo was a ridiculous war. We fought for the right for Islam to create another state in Europe. We bombed Christians that knew what they were up against. Why do we want to make Iran stronger by falling for their obvious strategy?
We can win against Islam. We cannot democratize it. We can let them fight their own civil war and isolate them. We can reduce the need for their oil. That is the only thing they have and the Brazilians have figured out away to substitute for oil. Brazil. We are losing the diplomatic fight on a global scale. Throw a dart at the map and you will not hit one country where this administration has enhanced American interests or prestige. Maybe Afghanistan, but who knows how that will go. I want an America that is smart, wise and tough.
5:06 PM habu:
Man with a iine like that, no wonder you could sell Brittanicas in New Orleans!
Why is it the Iraqi Security Advisor Minister announce a "road map" to s US pull out?
If there is such a thing, General Casey's comments of staying on schedule makes it seem that there well could be, why not have Mr Bush announce it.
Why does it come to light through Lebanon?
I hope for the best, but past performance is often a indicator of future prospects. It often is not, however.
Integrating those Shia militias into the ISF will spread the "Special Federal Police" challenge across the entire Army.
One does not need to be a prophet to see that coming. The ISF will be politisized with the inclusion of almost 70,000 militia men and their officers. Just from the Shia faction. That will be aprox a third of the total ISF.
currently 150,000 ISF
& 100,000 Police, more or less.
Saddam plots escape, religious conversion, and conquest!
DR
The end result of an incoherent strategy. All while we are getting our behinds shellaced in Latin America, as you have often stated.
Bonaparte is the model, doug
If these dictator fellows do not die, they keep popping up.
Dr Z, mini Z, and a whole host of the enemy are processed through jails around the world. Almost all but the most unloved are eventually released.
Popping up again and again, like Mr Yon's bionic runner
Sorry Habu,
GWB has reached the apogee of presidential stupidity and ineptness.
Well, we have certainly done our share to drive up the price of oil enriching Russia, Iran and Venezuela. Our future elections will be determined by illegals who will vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Our defecits have financed a Chinese commercial expasion that is breath taking. Both ends of the Panama canal are owned by China. How much better does it get?
Last evening I attended a military function. There, a service member, heretofore of the greatest possible integrity, related to me a conversation held between he and a Marine NCO serving downrange, near an Iraqi city notorious in Marine Corps lore.
It seems that a complaint has been made by some Marines concerning a recent incident. A sniper team observed a gentleman burying an obvious IED alongside a well traveled road. It seems that the team was required to call for permission to take the shot on the gentleman. Permission was denied. Rather, the sniper team was advised to observe and await another Marine team, which would arrest the perpetrator and defuse the device.
Among other things, I am told, the various grunts involved have complained that a) why must permission be sought to engage a hostile and b) why were other Marines placed at unnecessary peril in the process of arrest and disposal?
Again, this story comes at least third-hand. It is to be hoped that it is nothing more than an exaggeration or urban legend. If not, Mr. Tony Snow, a man for whom I have had the highest regard, will have a lot of splanin’ to do, defending this rendition of the Bush Doctrine. You can bet, if true, the name Vietnam will be retrieved by the MSM.
"Where there's a Will, there's a way."
Where's Will?
"...then bust a cap."
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We don't do that to bionic runners.
Less someone wants to be featured in the next Pulitzer Prize.
Just so you know, allen, that type of behaviour and RoE have been the norm for at least eighteen months or so.
That was Jr's report, and it was confirmed by Mr Yon's and Mr Peter's reports.
Rules of Engagement that are not understandable, re: Mr Rumsfeld.
Catch and release, re: Mr Yon & Mr Roberts
habu 6:15 PM,
See 'Rat 6:14 PM
:-(
"Illegals can't vote."
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Quick, 'Rat: Where's your Mel Martinez Quote?
...POTUS has a plan for that habu, some kind of Green Card/Fast Track to citizenship scheme.
" "There was a pretty good consensus that what we have put into the Hagel-Martinez proposal here is the right way to go," said Sen. Mel Martinez, Florida Republican. "I think he was very clear [on] pathway to citizenship, so long as it goes to the back of the line, and he even opened the door here for something we've haggled back and forth on, that you can shrink the time for people to become citizens by simply enlarging the number of green cards."
Bush in Closed Door Meeting with Dems, Rinos, and McCainiacs
WASHINGTON -- President Bush and a group of senators yesterday reached general agreement on an immigration bill that includes a pathway to citizenship for many illegal aliens.
But left out of the closed-door White House meeting were senators who oppose a path to citizenship. The meeting even snubbed two men who had been considered allies of Mr. Bush on immigration -- Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican and chairman of the immigration subcommittee, and Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican.
"That would represent a substantial change on the part of the Bush administration, which just last year said it *opposed* a path to citizenship for those currently here illegally."
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That was then, this is now:
9-10-2001.
yes, habu, the President can do many things on his own. Starting a War is possible for Mr Bush, just not likely, soon.
Action is just shy of a year away, if it comes at all.
That Montanna Water is Somethin!
...or is it the Big Sky?
That Urp we'll hear is the GOP gettin thrown out on their ears if Snow doesn't perform a miraculous Attitude Adjustment!
Anybody know Snows stance on Immigration?
...not that he'd have a Snowball's Chance.
Can someone explain that green card scheme to me?
Freeway to citizenship via green cards???
Mr Kyl's opponent, a Mr Pederson, is already on the air, doug.
Stricter enforcement on the Border
A "Long term" solution for the guests already here.
Started as an Independent, seems he's been recruited to be a Democrat.
The floodgates are open, the irrigatin' has begun'.
Oh, habu, with motor voter and forged docs many illegals vote.
There was a Republican Congressman from Organge County, Bob ? , President contender that was along to make speaches.
Any way he lost by just a few hundred votes, a smaller number than the "immigrants" that had been registared illegally, but voted none the less, turning out ol' Bob.
Idaho, Montanna, forgot the name of that Domestic Terrorist Gang.
That's B-1 Bob, Habu must know him well.
habu_1, 6:06 PM
I hope you are correct. This is the first instance of such a complaint from the troops coming through my grapevine. Because it not the usual stuff complained of by all troops at all times, it is worrisome.
Again, if true, someone is failing to adequately communicate with the guys on the line. Not unheard of, to be sure, but potentially devastating to morale, as we both know too well. If we are going to play a different game, then, everyone needs to be in the loop, especially those tasked with enforcement.
Time will tell.
Habu and bob
The Authorization for Use of Force, 14 Sept 01 gives Mr Bush and the next President, as well, carte blanche in declaring anyone an Enemy and terror sponsor.
The State Dept Terror report issued today, with Iran at the top of the list, is all he really needs.
allen,
it already has.
'Rat,
The spent 3.5 million investigating that, and just as the number approached a victory for Bob, dropped the investigation.
Gingrich didn't like Bob, and Army and Delay were in Combat for Newt's job.
Who's got time to count illegals?
"They" the soon to be gutless GOP, that was.
Habu 6:27 PM
"Illegals can't vote."
...that big sky must be somethin on Acid!
Idahoe ?
Potatoe ??
Habu's a Hopi?
Love me, love my Moog!
It's a Morgan knock off!
VW GX3
You google Carlos, I'll take the GX3!
I knew a couple (no kids) that wrote for Sesame Street.
Lived half time in England, where he kept a Morgan Plus 8 with the Aluminum Buick Engine!
bobal:
We'll just stay happy singing the Sunny Day Sesame Song.
...In Spanish.
:-) John Wayne and Art Bell for the Mountain Men of Belmont.
I'll retire to a coconut shack.
Martian Men from Montanna.
Allen:
Gates of Fire
About two weeks ago, word came that Nohe’s case had been dismissed by a judge on 7 August. The Coalition was livid. According to American officers, solid cases are continually dismissed without apparent cause. Whatever the reason, the result was that less than two weeks after his release from Abu Ghraib, Nohe was back in Mosul shooting at American soldiers.
LTC Kurilla repeatedly told me of - and I repeatedly wrote about - terrorists who get released only to cause more trouble. Kurilla talked about it almost daily. Apparently, the vigor of his protests had made him an opponent of some in the Army’s Detention Facilities chain of command, but had otherwise not changed the policy. And now Kurilla lay shot and in surgery in the same operating room with one of the catch-and-release-terrorists he and other soldiers had been warning everyone about.
" ... Condi and her colleagues may come home and say, privately, it ain't so. But it is so. Much of the U.S. government no longer believes in, and is no longer acting to enforce, the Bush Doctrine. "The United States of America understands and believes that Iran is not Iraq." That's a diplomatic way of saying that the United States of America is in retreat.
-William Kristol ..."
"Iran Is Not Iraq"
What's te date on that story, doug?
Tigerhawk,
thanks for the history lesson. I was an undergraduate at the time of Shultz's speech, and not a particularly politically-aware one at that. Still, I'd like to believe that if I had heard this speech at the time, I would have agreed with it.
What I liked most about your post was the reaction of the mainstream media outlets to the speech. What I noticed right away is that they did not deal with the substance of his argument. Rather than debate whether our moral confusion and self-defeating second guessing was appropriate, Rather, Stahl, and company chose to emphasize that pre-emption might result in the loss of innocent lives. In other words, don't act against people whose primary objective is to take innocent lives because innocent lives might be lost in the process.
Rather than debate the policy on its merits, Rather, et al, decided to highlight what little daylight existed Reagan, Bush, and Shultz, as if a small or even large rift between the three discredited the policy.
Rather than try to determine the public response to the ideas, it seems Rather, Jennings, Donaldson and company chose to link the ideas to partisan politics, election-eve pandering to Jewish groups, etc. - anything but deal with the argument on its merits .
On a peripheral note... My doctoral thesis was entitled "Information technology and Organization Structure." As with any thesis, it included a literature review. One of the first sources I came across was the book by Shultz and an essay contained therein entitled "Information technology and management organization." Here's a reference
Whisler, T. and G. Shultz (1960). "Information Technology and Management Organization." Management Organization and the Computer. G. Shultz and T. Whisler. Chicago, University of Chicago, Graduate School of Business: 3-36."
Turns out that Shultz was also on the faculty of the University of Chicago, starting in 1957. I didn't know this at first, when I found the book. When I went back to tell my advisor about the book, I asked if this was the same Shultz who had served as Reagan's Scy of State. Definitely not, I was told. It wasn't until I got to MIT and found an old book he had left behind (donated) to the library that I made the connection. He got his PhD there and taught there from 1949-1957.
The reason I mention this is that Shultz & Whisler's essay was ahead of its time in thinking about the role computers would play in organizations and the impact they'd have on managerial work. The book they put together was an edited volume from an academic conference put on in 1958 that assembled some of the best minds around. Among them was Herbet Simon, the most prolific social scientist of the last 50 years and later a Nobel prize winner. The conference came on the heels of an extremely controversial (for the time) article appearing in Harvard Business review entitled "Management in the 1980's" about what management would lool like 25 years hence.
Shulz was 20 years ahead of his time in 1958 in his academic work and he was 20 years ahead of his time in 1984 when he made the speech about terrorism. We are lucky to have had such a man serving our nation.
Finally, it is very telling that he served in one capacity or another several administrations, but not Carter's. Very, very telling
'Rat,
August 31st, 2005
Seems so long ago, but not far away.
Starling,
As you no doubt know, before Dubai and Halliburton, was the evil BECHTEL Company!
CorpWatch : US: Bechtel criticized over school project in Iraq
Questions about the performance in Iraq by San Francisco-based Bechtel come as ... of State George Schulz and former defense secretary Caspar Weinberger.
Starling David Hunter --
Thank you kindly for the elaborating comments -- very interesting indeed.
Shultz is remarkable, and spoke with a clarity that we did not get from Madeleine Albright. Of course, she may still be jockeying for a position in the next administration, whereas Shultz is retired for good.
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