Monday, February 12, 2007

Howard and Obama

I have a little bit more on the Howard/Obama story at Pajamas Media.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only a Savage Nation Can Save American!!!

2/12/2007 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael Savage - 2008!!!!

If you're one of Michael Savage's 20,000,000 listeners it's because you know that America is in Big Trouble that is only getting worse -

* We've got Borders that are not being defended and acting as a sieve for criminals while the Skulls and Bones cabal plans on brining a superhighway for drug dealers through the heartland. When anyone can just stroll into America, just what the hell do our borders mean? Don't ask George Bush and forget asking the Liberals who welcome the new peons to the welfare roles.

* We've got the most advanced and Language in the world and it's not even taught in our failing schools where clowns masquerading as teachers provide instruction in ghetto slang, illiteracy and a hefty does of political correctness. More instruction time is devoted to Spanish than to the reading and writing skills that folks need at work.

* We've got the greatest Culture that the world has ever seen - Firstly because we are descendants of the lost ten tribes of Israel so share in God's Blessings, Secondly because we welcome all and provide life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that is unequaled and Lastly because we're simply the best at everything that we do - no nation in world history even comes close.

· Borders
· Language
· Culture

These are the cornerstones of the United State of America which is why they are so viciously attacked. You know it, your neighbor knows but every time we defend them we've got some lawyer from the American Criminal Liars Union threatening a law suit. If it doesn't get that far, the PC Mafia will get your job or house and even the Courts won't even help you. Those are the extreme cases since most of the assault on America is far more insidious. But make no mistake about it


The nightly war in Iraq makes this as clear as day but you're urged to shop till you drop and assured that it's under control - really? It sure doesn't look that way so what the hell are we waiting for? The rational is that we don't want to get the Muslims angry with any big battles - How can they get any angrier and do you care if they do or not? If you're honest about it the answer is no and stop fretting about 1.2 Billions Muslims; we can get rid of half of them in a few hours like culling a herd. We've paid untold billions to have awesome killing power but don't use it even when we must - this is lunacy. A single 500 Megaton Hydrogen Bomb over Baghdad in 2003 could have saved a lot of grief and billions but it's too late now. We can kill these Evil Terrorist bastards or they're gonna kill us. Fight a total war or surrender now -

It's time to shit or get off the pot!

The Christian and Jewish groups are fighting the good fight of faith but you can't take a Bible to a gun fight. It's gone too far and we must return to what really made America great. We fought a 200 year war with tribal savages like the Muslims we face now and we won. It's time for a repeat performance but this time with internment camps and deportations - let's clean up America now!

It's gonna get a lot rougher now with Obama since the Welfare crowd is joining with the Islamofascists and the Gay Mafia. They'll be demanding more and more so political discussions may require breaking noses and kicking some arse but it's well worth and promises a good workout - America is at stake!

General GPatton said, "All Americans love a good fight" - are you an American?

The Savage Nation has 20,000,000 of us!

Savage often cautions that, "Only the soccer thugs can save Britain now." It’s the same here so Real American must decide to Fight or wind up like the EU and bow to the Arab-dominated United Nitwits - It's up to you – don’t forget that -

We Must Fight, Sir – I say we Must Fight! – Thom Paine, 1775

Savage Nation Arise!


2/12/2007 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger Reocon said...

I haven't had a chance to listen to Savage, but isn't he some sort of semi-elaborate liberal joke, a bit of performance art taken to far? I mean what sort of pro-gun rights, pro-family Jacksonian conservative swims naked with the pederast Allen Ginsberg? Or drinks "passion fruit tea"? I think the whole Savage gestalt is a little too California to really be credible.

Michael Savage's long, strange trip

How a Jewish kid from the Bronx went from swimming naked with Allen Ginsberg to spewing the ugliest bile on talk radio.

By David Gilson

March 5, 2003 | At first glance, Michael Alan Weiner seems like an improbable candidate to be America's angriest, most vicious conservative radio host. Born 60 years ago in the Bronx, Weiner has lived in Northern California for most of his adult life, making a living as an herbalist and nutritionist. He communed with Fijian traditional healers, got married in a rain forest and studied ethno-medicine at the University of California at Berkeley. He swam naked with Allen Ginsberg, dreamed of being the next Lenny Bruce and wrote a rambling novel about a half-mad alter ego. His son's middle name is Goldencloud. For years, he made a name cranking out a pile of books on alternative medicine, recommending bizarre remedies such as using vitamin C to stop AIDS and kicking cocaine with coffee enemas.

Coffee enemas? C'mon Georeg, even Jacksonians can do better than Michael Weiner, beat poet groupie and ethno-herbalist!

2/12/2007 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger James III said...

There once was a clean and articulate Obama
Who campaigned to be the Yanks’ top banana
He dissed Down Under and Digger
Said his war contribution was bigger
Tho’ his way Hussein’d still be tyrant, oh hosanna.

2/12/2007 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...


re: “I haven't had a chance to listen to Savage…”

Neither have you spoken to nor read Savage, I would wager. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you have not permitted such evidentiary deficiencies to stand in the way of your typical ideological cant.

Thanks for sharing your uninformed feelings.

Oh, having read Savage and having had the displeasure of hearing him, I can say that he and you have much in common.

2/12/2007 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Reocon said...

allen said...
Neither have you spoken to nor read Savage, I would wager. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you have not permitted such evidentiary deficiencies to stand in the way of your typical ideological cant.

Thanks for sharing your uninformed feelings.

Easy Laddie. I realize that getting thoroughly gigged and fisked in a previous thread hath made thee a bit tetchy, but slow down a wee bit and read my post with a bit more care and open-mindedness. I have perused "Savage Nation" and found it to be a caricature of Jacksonianism (which is indeed easy to do), verging on the point of liberal parody.

As to uninformed, I've provided an link to an expose of Michael Weiner : you can read it for yourself and make suitable judgements as to its merits. For me, it hints of the hoax-like elements behind the whole Savage persona. The conservative movement is not going to take a Michael Alan Weiner's latest incarnation with much seriousness, especillay given his past, replete with its many hints of "passion fruit tea". Do you want to argue the contrary or simply cave once more and admit I've a very valid point? If its the former, then it would behoove you to read the article.

If, after having read the article, you want to expound on my ideological cant, then feel free. Indeed, considering how quickly and thoroughly your own weak attempts to defend Wilsonianism and neoconservatism collapsed into incoherence and flight, I might caution you against using such big terms as "ideological cant". Readers might just check out the John Howard thread to see what your made of, and then where would you be?

2/12/2007 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


re: "your own weak attempts to defend Wilsonianism"

Never happened. Are you on meds?

2/12/2007 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger james wilson said...

Awright, fellows, here's the deal on Savage-Weiner: He is a-
brilliant radio talent
true manic-depressive
riddled with ADD and OCD
generally very conservative
except when having a bad moment
which is often
then he's a populist
until tomorrow
nobody is better
nobody is worse
take it or leave it
I do both
so does he

2/12/2007 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger Reocon said...

allen said...

re: "your own weak attempts to defend Wilsonianism"

My deepest apologies. I had assumed that (in the last thread) when you went to such lengths to defend neocons you knew that at the core of their ideology was a notion of remaking the Middle East through what Charles Krauthammer has called "democratic globalism". Indeed, your defense of them went so far as to claim that those who knew that the democratic project would fail in the ME must possess "pre-cognition" or "parapsyhology". How I could have assumed that in your apologia for these discredited national security gurus you were familiar with what they stood for must be an error on my part. Either that, or, in your ignorance and youth you had absolutely no idea about the great Wilsonian project (having failed to read Kristol and Kaplan's "The War Over Iraq" or anything from the Weekly Standard for the past six years, I assume). After all, you refer to yourself as a realist, and you must know of the deep emnity between neocons and realists.

So pardon me, once again, for assuming that, in your evident confusion, you knew just what your were defending in picking up the tattered neocon banner. Good luck and good punting.

2/12/2007 06:09:00 PM  
Blogger Reocon said...

james wilson said...
Awright, fellows, here's the deal on Savage-Weiner . . .
then he's a populist
until tomorrow
nobody is better
nobody is worse
take it or leave it
I do both
so does he

As per the article I linked to above, I think that Michael Alan Weiner(Savage) has two major questions to answer before conservatives or the GOP take him even remotely seriously:

1. Did he really go skinny-dipping with the renowned pederast Allen Ginsburg in Fiji?

2. What's up with the "passion fruit tea"? I mean, Buckley, Jeffrey Hart, James Burnham, Russell Kirk and George Will, may all have enjoyed an occassional cup of Earl Grey, but "passion fruit"? What's with this "kava kava" indulgence? No, his ethno-herbology past life has a flaky California tenor to it that's not going to rub off too easy without lots of scrubbing.

2/12/2007 06:21:00 PM  
Blogger the mad fiddler said...

This is by a long stretch the weirdest commentary stream I've ever dipped my toe inta round here.

2/12/2007 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


re: "I assumed"

That was a mistake.

re: "you went to such lengths to defend neocons..."

Again, no! What I did was prevent the misrepresentation and misuse of an article from Vanity Fair. I took no position on the persuasions of any of the gentlemen.

2/12/2007 06:49:00 PM  
Blogger Reocon said...

Douglas Feith on FoxNews Sunday:

WALLACE: But they disputed you, sir.

FEITH: No, they didn't. Nobody in my office ever said there was an operational relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda. It's just not correct. I mean, words matter. And people are throwing around loose allegations, vague allegations, based on not reading the words carefully.

No "operational relationship" betwee AQ and Iraq, coming from the mouth of Douglas Feith? Bizarre. What about The Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes, who wrote a book called "The Connection"? Where did he get all that info if not from the Feith and the OVP?

Oh, here's the link:,2933,251388,00.html

And here's the video:

2/12/2007 07:29:00 PM  
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2/12/2007 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Guess who makes the Iranian smoking gun?

2/13/2007 04:51:00 AM  
Blogger ricpic said...

I don't know about Savage's checkered past. Neither do I care. All I know is that he comes across as a human being. Warts and all. As opposed to the other radio talk show hosts out there, who come on as perfect flawless purely political machines. No human weakness displayed. No bad hair days. That alone tells me what fakes they are. Savage is the real deal. Do I agree with every last position he takes? Of course not. Point is -- I trust him. Trust. All that really matters.

2/13/2007 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger Tarnsman said...

2164th, it really doesn’t matter who made the rifles. The Austrian firm (regardless of its corporate parent) legally sold the weapons to the government of Iran. I am sure the Iranian stated purpose of those weapons was for its military. The Austrian firm’s responsibility (and that of General Dynamics) ended with the transfer of the weapons to the Iranian government. Unless, of course, that it can be proven that the Austrian firm sold the rifles to Iran in direct violation of Austrian or EU law, or in violation of UN-imposed sanctions. But even then once the weapons were transferred into the hands of the Iranian government/military so did the responsibility for their use. These are not AK-47s, cheap and plentiful. These are very expensive ($20,000) rifles with specialized ammo and uses. They are not something the local boys in Iraq are going to find in their neighborhood arms bazaar. If Americans are killed by weapons bought and supplied by the Iranian government, the entity responsible is Iran, not General Dynamics, not Steyr-Mannlicher. Iran, not General Dynamics, not Steyr-Mannlicher, needs bear the cost and punishment for supplying these weapons to the Iraqi bad guys. A carrier strike on one of their prized possessions seems like a sufficient response. Start blowing up their toys and let them know it will continue so long as they interfere in Iraq. As to General Dynamics remove a couple of their defense contracts to send the signal that the action of a subsidiary reflects on the parent company.

2/13/2007 02:47:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


The rifles were sold for use by Iranian police in fighting cross border drug smuggling (Yeah, go figure). The US protested the sale and the State Department subsequently, reluctantly placed sanctions on Steyr-Mannlicher (Again, go figure.)

Steyr-Mannlicher's site shows no affiliation with General Dynamics. There was, and stories vary as to desolution, a relationship between Steyr-Mannlicher and General Dynamics Steyr subsidiary.

From a purely libertarian point of view, I agree that responsibility for the end use of the weapons lay with Iran. That said, the sale of 2,000 of these single-shot, expensive, highly specialized weapons to an adversary of the US might have been cause for concern in Austria.

2/13/2007 03:04:00 PM  
Blogger Reocon said...

Another interesting aspect of Iraqi Shiite militia acquiring these big Steyrs is that it shows the Russians are still sorely lagging in .50 sniper rifle market share. They've long developed various 12.7mm x 108 rifles like the SVN-98 and KSVK, but they still can't produce enough sniper grade ammunition to make them field worthy. Russian 12.7mm sniper rifles would be much better for the Iraqi militia if not for this fact, after all, whats accounting or accountability for a Russian arms company? They'd be close to untraceable coming south through the northern Iranian border. If the Russians ever started producing better ammo, then we'd have a real problem in Iraq. Funny what matters in a war like this.

2/13/2007 03:44:00 PM  
Blogger 2164th said...

Earlier I reported the connection between General Dynamics. I have reviewed the documents that I used for this report. I re-posted this as having been reported in error.

I do that because General Dynamics deserves the benefit of the doubt, and a review of the documents appears that the original company was split into sections with some going into an investment group that was purchased by General Dynamics and Steyer Mannlicher.

I cannot determine from the documents that General Dynamics owns Steyr Mannlicher. In fact, the documents, where a clear translation is available, do not link General Dynamics to Steyr Mannlicher.

I regret the error. The fault is mine and mine alone. The corrected post is here.

2/13/2007 04:16:00 PM  

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