Of Course
Hamas and Fatah have reached a peace deal in which they agreed to share power. Hamas has demanded that Western sanctions on the Palestinian authority now be lifted, but says it will never recognize Israel nor abide by the peace accords. "We have agreed with the Saudis to market this agreement internationally, " said Hamas according to The Age.
"We have agreed with the Saudis to market this agreement internationally. Our (Saudi) brothers are in constant contact with the Americans and Europeans," Hamas government spokesman Ghazi Hamad told Reuters. "They (the West) cannot ignore this agreement and impose their own conditions," he said. "The European Union should open a dialogue with this new government and this is the only way to have stability in the region." Nizar Rayyan, a senior Hamas leader in Gaza, welcomed the agreement reached in Mecca but said Hamas shunned Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's call for Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, who will form the new cabinet, to abide by previous peace accords. "We will never recognize Israel. There is nothing called Israel," he told Reuters. "We, in the Hamas movement, will not abide by anything."
Hamas spokesman Ismail Rudwan said: "The recognition is not an option at all, is not discussable."
Meanwhile the French are not unhappy with the result. According to the Jerusalem Post.
In Paris, French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said inclusion of the term "respect" in reference to Israel "is a step in the right direction toward full adherence to the demands of the international community that we hold dear, including in particular the recognition of Israel."
Commentary
If the West is brought under Sharia law it will have no excuses. It will hardly be possible to argue that its leaders were deceived. That, like Neville Chamberlain, they let their idealism get the better of them. No excuse except plain illiteracy can explain the inability to comprehend this blatant statement of intent. "We have agreed with the Saudis to market this agreement internationally. ... We will never recognize Israel. There is nothing called Israel," he told Reuters. "We, in the Hamas movement, will not abide by anything."
Western weakness has little to do with Jihad, or Hamas or Fatah. It arises from the monomanaical belief that negotiations can solve everything; and that consequently, resistance will never be necessary. Hamas understands that Western Pacifism must rule out coercion at all costs; that all it has to do is wait, and all, even Israel's extinction, will be delivered, abjectly, to its doorstep.
posted by wretchardthecat at 2/09/2007 01:20:00 PM
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"We, in the Hamas movement, will not abide by anything."
OK, I'll be snarky. We, the civilized portion of the world, will treat you as adolescents and be prepared to smack you down. HARD.
Now, if only that would really happen.
The Saudi’s are brokering a deal which we cannot “ignore”, why not? They will not abide by previous accords, and as part of this “negotiation”, we cannot impose our own conditions? This is not a negotiation it is a set of demands. We are left with the option to further fund state sponsored terrorism?
Hamas needs more money because they have spent all they have on obtaining more weapons. It is important for them to make no concessions because Allah is on their side and the dumb shits in the West are the ones who have the guilt tainted money and the driving need to appease the lowest life forms in the MI.
It is stories like this that convinces me that WWIII is inevitable and these people desperately want to rule the world or die trying. I am all in favor of the later.
The West, on the other hand, will abide by every jot and tittle.
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour has filed a legal brief with the Iraqi High Tribunal arguing that international law prohibits the death sentence on former vice president Taha Yassin Ramadan on grounds of breach of due process. (UN Dispatch)
Read the fine print. Always. The UN graciously grants Serbia more time to study its proposal to grant independence to Kosovo. It's an amazing world, isn't it, when the UN can carve up countries legitimately and elected goverments can't legitimately defend themselves. And I wasn't necessarily referring to Iraq. Try Israel.
The UN mediator on Kosovo's future status said on Thursday he was willing to grant Serbia more time to consider his complex plan that most see as paving the way for the province's independence from Belgrade.
But Martti Ahtisaari, a former Finnish president, said he still expected to present his final proposal to the 15-member UN Security Council, which has to agree to the plan, before the end of March.
The US will vote in favor of the Jihadi land grab. The Saudis have had all the time needed to oil the necessary levers for such a vote at the UN.
"They (the West) cannot ignore this agreement and impose their own conditions," he said.
Aren't they supposed to hold onto your beard and smack you on each side of the face while collecting the jizhya tax?
(Just give us the money, dhimmis!)
"We, in the Hamas movement, will not abide by anything."
Ok. Then starve or eat sand. Not one penny. Let your Saudi "brothers" fund your Dark Age encampments.
But as M?thusela said, I'm sure our Saudi "friends" have made it clear that oil price and availability, as well as consultation contracts for Bush staffers, are contingent upon American cooperation with the "agreement".
The GWOT has turned into Global backpedaling and hoping for the best. Baker is in charge and as usual, the can will be kicked down the road for the next generation to deal with.
To Do List:
Enroll my grandchildren in a kinder-madrassa so they won't have to be dhimmis as adults.
which brings me back to my original name..
pork rings for allah...
since I am LEGALLY not allowed to harass, threaten, shoot at, send nasty letters to Hamas, fatah, the PA, the PLO, islamic jihad, hezbollah, the assorted governments of the arab league...
I will mock, humiliate, put down, denigrate, laugh at, belittle, disparage, asperse, besmirch, calumniate, defame, slander, smirch, sully, smear these camel humping, rock worshipping, illiterate, cousin marrying, jackass of a people, my step brother's offspring....
the arabs
I don't think anyone in the West will be fooled by this agreement. It's possible that the Pals will simmer down their internal conflict for a while but if they don't get the money they need it will start up again.
Oh, and here's a funny picture: Men in sheets.
Look, this is an absurd carnival, I agree. Nevertheless these aren't stations along the way to the defeat of the West.
They are more likely points on the route to a series of large mushroom clouds appearing across the Arab world, following which the rest of the world will become considerably more circumspect.
It will probably take the loss of an entire Western city before this happens, but this has been pretty much inevitable for some time now, and the world will really change five minutes later.
Nor is Israel, by the way, going to take significant damage without turning a large part of the Arab world to glass. If their arsenal isn't big enough to get the job done then I imagine they are diligently adding to it right now.
House Atreides in the form of Israel has arrived on Arrakis.
The Harkonnen plot.
utopia parkway:
Oh, and here's a funny picture: Men in sheets.
And these are the same guys who want to kill you and enslave your wife, because Muhammad coincidentally had a revelation that Allah was cool with that when Muhammad happened to be in the same mood.
Wretchard:
"The West, on the other hand, will abide by every jot and tittle."
That's because, as is the case with police who find themselves hamstrung by criminal-rights advocates who confuse law enforcement with racism and brutality, it's a lot easier to go after the law abiding, who don't give any lip, don't present a physical danger, show up in court and pay their fines.
This 'human rights commissioner,' like most of the hothouse flowers comprising our increasingly jelly-like leadership classes, would likely soil her drawers in the presence of stone killers.
Like other forms of moral exhibitionism -- trashing the U.S. comes to mind -- it's best to rant and rave at those who don't bite back. She has no interest in confronting real human rights offenders.
And yet those in our so-called leadership classes insist -- all the while they're being snookered and bullied -- that they know what they're doing.
The UN? It already envisions itself as a sort of global slum lord with an ever-expanding constituency to maintain in post-democratic and post-capitalism squalor and dependency. And it certainly has no trouble demanding concessions of sovereignty (eg: global gun control).
"They are more likely points on the route to a series of large mushroom clouds appearing across the Arab world, following which the rest of the world will become considerably more circumspect."
THAT is what I am talkin' about...and a little "Whoopsie!" coincident with the vaporization of Brussels might not be such a bad idea either...the annual ISI employee benefits meeting might be a better mistake....
Where is our "base?"
Josh Manchester proposed an "al-Qaeda for the good guys" a little while ago.
Why can't we build cheap robots to sit atop the kabaa and churn thermite reactions, streaming the whole mess over youtube. The crescendo can be what we spray inside the holes.
Think of it like an X-Prize.
Whose here garage has the heighest centrality to the rest of us?
I am so sorry..
my name was PORK RINDS for Allah, not Pork RINGS
if hamas, the elected democratic government of palestine (according the world) rejects peace with the "non-recognized" israel does this:
1. reject "palestine" from a seat in the UN, even an observer seat, since it's position is not in accordance with the UN's charter:
"Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
http://www.un.org/members/
2. If Hamas aka Palestine, does not accept israel's right to be nor any agreements that previous "palestinian" governments have signed does this allow Israel to:
cut off and end all tax collection for Palestine
cut off all water, electricity and food traveling to gaza from Israel
expand and conquer any "palestinian" lands it chooses and throw off all arab populations that happen there, since what is the difference if all of israel is illegal in palestine's mind, what difference if there is an additional 100 square miles disputed?
shoot to kill any palestinians that throw rocks, bottles, knives, firebombs at any israeli?
use cluster bombs for border control?
use land mines on any area that palestinian liberation attacks generate from
destruction of any and all buildings over one story in height in any palestinian city, since there is a state of war now?
just wondering?
It's interesting to watch the way that whatever defensive measure requires the least current effort unfailingly becomes in Western countries a religion subscribed to by much of the population, including many of its leaders.
This is how over the years the UN, pacifism, 'human rights', and 'international law' have exerted an appeal over and above, and indeed unrelated to, any evidence of their effectiveness.
Each of these has in turn become a sort of 'mental Maginot Line', a justification for abandoning more active forms of defense.
Our opponents don't even have to be smart or organized to take advantage of this. It's so obvious that even the Palestinians, who trip over their own robes every time they try to do anything else, have it figured out.
One has to wonder whether, if a missile defense system eventually gets built and looks even moderately effective, whether the left will, in a startling reversal, suddenly flip on the issue and demand that we shelter behind it and drop all other forms of defense.
Stranger things have happened.
Progress It Is!!!
"We have agreed with the Saudis to market this agreement internationally."
Hamas will market New Terror!!! A more overt, state sponsored, and state protected variant of the barbarism they currently aspire too. Maybe they can use AP to Photoshop the old 'New Coke' ads to save money!!!
"We will never recognize Israel. There is nothing called Israel"
That is an agreement all Fascists can start with. Actually, not all Fascists. Many Fascists find other scapegoats - but the real ones can always hearken to the golden oldie!!! We westerners can dust off the Chamberlain backgrounders on how to deal with Fascists – especially when we identify ‘a man we can work with’. Heck, maybe dust off the ‘Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact’ if we are really adventurous and/or duplicitous!
"We, in the Hamas movement, will not abide by anything."
There always has to be a starting point, eh. The Global Community has to find the lowest common denominator to initiate a frank and open discussion. I think this might be the lowest common denominator ever brought into the peace process. Maybe even a bit lower than ceding a sovereign nation to Nazi Germany.
I don’t know…
Bring on Jimmy…
Time will tell!!!
"We, in the Hamas movement, will not abide by anything."
So, where does the Quartet begin discussions with the new "peace partner" in the Palestinian government? Bohgi may have found the lowest common denominator, where Hamas has built a wall that separates itself from the world community.
Perhaps we ask the rest of the world to align itself relative to Hamas position. Are you with it or against it? No ambiguity, just a simple yes or no answer.
IMO the answer will divide the world into camps that want to be part of the world community and those who don't. Those who don't are a threat to world order and should lose all representation at or by the UN. A responsible UN, that lived by it's charter, would declare those nations as rogue states and treat any aggressive behavior by those rogue states to be a declaration of war on the world community. The UN would be required to depose the ruling regime of rogue states.
So simple yet the UN is so corrupt that it can't even ask the questions nor fulfill it's charter. So...we continue.
There will be peace! Understand?! Dr. Rice's world community cannot be wrong; the Mecca Accord is a step forward.
In the face of this Saudi inspired, Jew-baiting fraud, the US has taken silently to the sidelines to "wait and see."
To get more of a feel for what the American and Israeli people face, despite the abject pandering of their governments, see:
Iranian & Saudi Textbooks Also Preach Intolerance Which Promotes Violence
They don't really mean though, right, Dr. Rice?
We need to respect hamas, islamic jihad, wahabbism, shiaism, sunnism, arab nationalism and of course, iranism...
Just as they respect us...
Might I suggest once again, let's start with rvo & svo for diesel vehicles
Raise CAFE standards NOW
Tax deductions for energy programs
and a tariff on all products sold to all of the above of 900%
INCLUDING FOOD, MEDICINE & TECHNOLOGY
In fact, if we invent ANY new DRUGS, let's put a 9000% tariff on it...
Oh yes, ZERO aid in any way shape or form to ANY country that doesnt allow jews, pagans or christians to own land and practice their faiths UNMOLESTED
oh yes... time for black ops...
destroy anything that looks like it doesnt belong in the 7th century
Although posted elsewhere, this gives food for thought.
Spengler is at his best.
“A friend in financial markets observes that the world appears to be safer than at any time on record, judging by the cost of insurance against economic disaster. That is, the cost of buying options on the Standard and Poor's 500 stock index stands at the lowest level since 1986, when options on the index first were traded.”
“If space aliens were to transport all of them to another planet Tuesday next, world markets would not notice. By the same token, if the Sunnis and Shi'ites of Iraq and Lebanon were to eat each other up like the Gingham Dog and the Calico Cat, and the Palestinians of Gaza were to annihilate one another, the impact on the world would fall below the threshold of observation.”
“The present conflict in the Middle East is not between Arab and Jew, but between Arabs and Jews who seek their way in the modern world on the one hand, and Arabs and Persians who reject the modern world on the other.”
“If individuals or indeed entire peoples are determined to destroy themselves, it is extremely difficult to prevent them from doing so at length. The tragedy, I expect, will continue in Iraq, as it did in Spain 1936-39, or the United States 1861-65, until there no longer are sufficient young men to put into the line. The world will little notice or care.”
The Middle East is hopeless, but not serious
CBU's - Sergeants Enter World of Fashion Design
I might agree with Spengler except that in the Spanish and American civil wars the disagreement was an internal matter. Iraq may be internal now, but it will become external unless a moderate democracy wins. And the muslim demographic is against them running out of fighters. Additionally, past conflicts didn't involve nations or NGOs with weapons capable of ending civilizations.
I wouldn't purchase options based upon the premise that things will work out if we just ignore these Dark Age fanatics.
Bring me my broadsword laddie.
Lugh,
Allen felt the need to fill in where Buddy Larsen, et al, in absentia, once posited here that one could look to the markets for "moral clarity."
GWB and AlQueda earn an "A" by that scale, but the wheels of reality grind on.
...or as Stevie Wonder noted:
"You are the Asshole of my Life"
(that's while I'll always stay around)
...or something like that.
Trade your broadsword for an MBA (Preferably Ivy-Covered) and
Get with the PROGRAM!
Once again the Arabs riot over a perceived slight against their religion.
How much longer should the west put up with this infantile behavior?
When are we going to say enough is enough?
http://www.yonitheblogger.com/
"Obama's wife also addresses the race issue when asked by Kroft whether she fears for her husband's life as a black candidate.
"I don't lose sleep over it because the realities are that... as a black man...
Barack can get shot going to the gas station," says Michelle Obama.
"You can't make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen." "
---
...my every waking moment is concern over the plight of "black men"
gunned down at the gas pump by white racist bastards.
(Osama Oboma Hussein's WHITE Muslim "loving" mother does not count)
On the Air with Michael Yon
I had the great honor of interviewing Michael Yon this morning as I pinch-hit for one half of the Pundit Review team.
You can listen to the interview here.
Michael’s also got a new and characteristically
tremendous post up on his site .
As I say every time I mention Michael Yon,
he is doing hands down the best reporting from Iraq.
Whether you're talking old media, new media, professional journalist or citizen journalist, Michael is simply the best.
If you can afford to send a little love his way (that’s money to those of you not familiar with my hipster lingo), please do so.
"There is a hidden passion for Chuck Norris among some of the troops.
His name seems to appear in every corner of Iraq—especially in outhouses. Sometimes lurid, mostly unprintable, always funny.
The Latest:
Chuck Norris’ tears cure cancer.
Too bad he never cries.
"
YON:
" soldier walked silently toward me, moving forward to help clear. Because of his night-vision monocular, when he looked at me I saw a sliver of green crescent around his eye.
Deadly serious, he pulled out a pistol and said,
“Here, sir,” moving to hand it to me.
“I can’t take that,” I said “it’s illegal and against the rules.”
He must have thought I was a complete idiot, but he re-holstered the pistol and moved forward, rifle at the ready.
I had no idea who the soldiers were. They were 2-7 CAV."
doug,
re: Allen felt the need to fill in where Buddy Larsen
a) NO one can fill in for Buddy Larsen
b) You did not read the Spengler article. Otherwise, there would have been no need for your comment.
doug,
Why do you "feel" the need to misrepresent Larsen, Spengler, and me?
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Scene 13
The Knights of Ni
[spooky music]
[music stops]
HEAD KNIGHT OF NI:
Ni!
KNIGHTS OF NI:
Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni!
ARTHUR:
Who are you?
HEAD KNIGHT:
We are the Knights Who Say... 'Ni'!
RANDOM:
Ni!
ARTHUR:
No! Not the Knights Who Say 'Ni'!
HEAD KNIGHT:
The same!
BEDEVERE:
Who are they?
HEAD KNIGHT:
We are the keepers of the sacred words: 'Ni', 'Peng', and 'Neee-wom'!
RANDOM:
Neee-wom!
ARTHUR:
Those who hear them seldom live to tell the tale.
HEAD KNIGHT:
The Knights Who Say 'Ni' demand a sacrifice.
ARTHUR:
Knights of Ni, we are but simple travellers who seek the enchanter who lives beyond these woods.
HEAD KNIGHT:
Ni!
KNIGHTS OF NI:
Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni!...
ARTHUR:
Ow! Ow! Ow! Agh!
HEAD KNIGHT:
We shall say 'ni' again to you if you do not appease us.
ARTHUR:
Well, what is it you want?
HEAD KNIGHT:
We want... a shrubbery!
[dramatic chord]
ARTHUR:
A what?
KNIGHTS OF NI:
Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni!
ARTHUR and PARTY:
Ow! Oh!
ARTHUR:
Please! Please! No more! We will find you a shrubbery.
HEAD KNIGHT:
You must return here with a shrubbery, or else, you will never pass through this wood... alive.
ARTHUR:
O Knights of Ni, you are just and fair, and we will return with a shrubbery.
HEAD KNIGHT:
One that looks nice.
ARTHUR:
Of course.
HEAD KNIGHT:
And not too expensive.
ARTHUR:
Yes.
HEAD KNIGHT:
Now... go!
Larsen is fishing for herring on the Sea of Nasdaq. Or, he might have caught a crabby crab in the Caribbean.
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Allen,
Check out Eric's comment to understand the origins of your misperception of my "slight."
I did not intend to be critical of you, but to use your comment as an ironic foil in my response to lugh.
I have not read the Spengler piece, perhaps I do not understand the point.
Buddy Larsen is funny, but also a Bush Suck up toady that seems not to care that Bush is selling us all down the river.
Texas has always survived on corruption, we all should learn to like it.
...as long as the WSJ is pleased, the NASDAQ is up, and his pals, the illegal hiring "capitalist" crooks are happy.
In short, no offense, sorry for the misunderstanding, I think Mat understands.
Sorry, thot Mat posted the Python.
Charles gets it as usual.
I think Lugh's point is that this is no laughing matter, whether Larsen, Spengler, and the NASDAQ agree or not.
Hope you agree too.
17 Devils and some boxcutters.
Assymetric Indeed.
Bush can't even take the time/effort to pronounce "nuklear."
Go figure.
But he can run and he can pray, so what the hey,
let Karen Hughes and his Church Lady Lawyer run the country!
"19"
Eric,
Here on the Magic Isle, you can immerse yourself in (reused, but "filtered") a warm oil bath of Aromatherapy.
Just the ticket to beat the Global Warming Willies.
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Previous post by Eric.
doug,
No, I don't get it.
Obviously, linking to Spengler was a waste of time. That's too bad.
Allen,
I looked at the Spengler piece:
I simply disagree, strongly:
Bush has done more to set this country on a path to destruction within 60 years than almost anyone I can think of with his blind eyes to illegal immigration, mass immigration of uneducated low skilled, highly fertile immigrants from south of the border, etc etc including massive increases in size of destructive, intrusive federal programs, and etc.
Charles has posted the demographic figures here from the US Government.
The markets may not care if most of the entire country resembles south central LA, as long as the economy hums along on a path destined to result in a bifurcated populace of peons and the elite, but to me the most of what made this country great will have been squandered in the process.
Doesn't seem like rocket science to me.
A tangent from Spengler's point, but not mine, sorry.
More connected with Spengler is my concern about leaving sanctuaries for Al Queda and the like, whether they be in Iraq or Warizistan.
Whether the markets are wrong or right about Iraq, I'm pretty damned sure they are wrong about Warizistan.
Not much different than the training grounds they had in Afghanistan, far as I can tell, with the added bonus of the deliverable Paki Nukes.
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