Monday, November 27, 2006

What are the odds?

Olmert offers 'serious' plan for a new Palestinian state according to the Times of London. "Twenty-four hours after Palestinian militants began a ceasefire in Gaza, Israel’s Prime Minister sought to maintain the momentum yesterday by offering peace talks leading to the creation of a Palestinian state. Ehud Olmert said that Israel would release prisoners, withdraw from West Bank Jewish settlements and ease checkpoints if Palestinians abandoned violence."  Twenty four hours after Palestinian militants began a ceasefire in Gaza and 22 hours after they broke it by firing 3 Kassams into Israel.


Blogger istarious said...

Olmert's been issued a Checkoslovakian Passport.

11/27/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


It's worse than this thread reports.

Olmert Offers Appeasement, Palestinians Attack

Why didn't I start that internet lottery? I could kick myself!

11/27/2006 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Olmert said later in the day that the IDF would not respond to the attacks at that point. In a statement released to the media Sunday afternoon, the Prime Minister said the ceasefire was only a “first step” in a comprehensive diplomatic process.

He added that he was aware there would be ceasefire violations and said Israelis must have “patience” with the process of renewing diplomatic talks with the terrorists.

Patience? You know who has patience? The terrorists - they have been waiting and waiting for the Israeli will to crumble and wither away in dissolution.

Olmert still hasn't learned from the Czechs - Hitler dismembered their country with impunity. Hitler had patience alright - he bided his time while convincing Europe that a "peace of our time" was possible.

Why aren't we listening to the Israelis on the streets? Are we going to simply sit back and watch Israel surrender itself to murderous thuggery, just like how Europe ignored the Czechs' strained calls for someone to rescue them from an impending German takeover?

11/27/2006 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


For my whole life I have believed with absolute certitude in the axiom "Never Again!" I become less certain with each passing day.

11/27/2006 08:51:00 PM  
Blogger dune runner said...

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11/28/2006 06:34:00 AM  
Blogger dune runner said...

I don't know why this should surprise anyone and I don't see that he has a lot of choice but to try to find some sort of peaceful solution. If we in the US have shifted from confronting terrorist states to appeasing and cooperating with them, where does that leave Israel in the long term?

When the duly elected president of the country that we have spent so much of our treasure and blood on begs Iran to come and save his country, a major shift in who has the power in the region has taken place.

Israel now knows, along with everyone else in the region, that the US doesn't have the national will to oppose Iran's expansionism there. Olmert is only doing what he has to in the face of that reality. If he can somehow reach peace with the Palestinians, that will be one less front to have to fight when Iran comes knocking on his door.

11/28/2006 06:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dune runner wrote: Olmert is only doing what he has to in the face of that reality. If he can somehow reach peace with the Palestinians, that will be one less front to have to fight when Iran comes knocking on his door.

No, Olmert has been carrying out disengagement after pointless disengagement, accepting ceasefire after deceitful ceasefire - all has come to naught. What he is doing and what he can and should be doing are totally disparate in terms of objectives and the will necessary to execute those goals.

You do not reach "peace" with the Palestinians via diplomacy that has no basis of guarantee that the cessation of hostilities will ever last.

You do not reach "peace" when the other parties over on the other side of the border pledge loyalty to constitutions that unequivocally call for the destruction of your nation.

Iran has already come knocking on Israel's door, Hezbollah in Lebanon armed to the teeth with barrages of Katyushas at their disposal. Rearmament of the Palestinians with Qassams has been ongoing since who-knows-when.

It's not one less front to fight - it's a whole freaking frontier united against Israel. To foolishly wallow yourself in delusional thoughts about "peace in our time" is to expose your vulnerability for the enemy to exploit.

11/28/2006 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger dune runner said...

Harrison, I don't disagree with you. Israel in general has repeatedly seen the same response to their offers of land and other concessions for peace. I have no delusions about peace in our time, quite the contrary. I am afraid we are headed for some serious warfare in the future.

My point is that in the short term, the US is going to leave Israel few other options than to continue to try and cut some sort of deal. As you said yourself, the WILL necessary to execute any other goals is not there today. Not in Israel, and not in the US. We can bemoan this all day long but it won't change the facts. It is what it is.

Iran, through it's proxy Hezbollah, will effectively be running Lebanon as a puppet state very soon. The US, under our new Democratic Congress, will not be willing to do what would be necessary to stop this. In fact, abandonment of Lebanon will certainly be part of the cost of having Syria and Iran 'help' us in Iraq. Israel will also be incapable of stopping this without our support. This will in effect put a hostile Iranian nation, not just Hezbollah, on Israel's border.

Hamas and Fatah, although quite willing to send rockets and suicide bombers into Israel, at least have a potential economic interest in an end to hostilities. Although at the moment they are willing to accept money and weapons from any souce they can get, the long term interests of the Palistinians probably align more with Israel than they do with Iran. Olmert may feel there is some small opportunity to leverage that possibility in the time he has before Iran consolidates itself into Lebanon.

So yes, it has been tried and failed many times before. And yes, it is a very long shot. My only point was that due to the growing pacifist and isolationist feelings in the US, Olmert may see it as his best shot to reduce the number of enemies he has to face in a few years. I'm sure he knows even better than you and I how unlikely that is, but it may be the only game in town at the moment. If we cede Iraq to Iran and Syria, it isn't just the Iraqi people we are abandoning to their fate, and Olmert knows it.

11/28/2006 11:52:00 AM  

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