Friday, March 31, 2006

Jill Carroll

Jill Carroll's family says the widely released video she gave was made under duress.

The freelance writer for The Christian Science Monitor, who was freed by her captors Thursday and dropped off at a branch office of the Iraqi Islamic Party, was later escorted to the Green Zone by the U.S. military, the newspaper said Friday. ... The Monitor quoted her family as saying that her kidnappers had warned her against talking to the Americans or going to the Green Zone. They told her it was "infiltrated by the mujahedeen," the newspaper said.

Bergenheim said Friday that Carroll's parents, who spoke to her about the video, told him it was "conducted under duress." "What emerged was that they actually started filming this tape the night before and then there was a power outage. Jill had been told the questions, asked to translate them from Arabic into English," he told ABC's "Good Morning America." "When you're making a video and having to recite certain things with three men with machine guns standing over you, you're probably going to say exactly what you're told to say," Bergenheim added.

The U.S. Embassy spokeswoman in Baghdad declined to comment on the video, saying all queries regarding Carroll were being handled by her family and the Monitor.

So her statements quoted in Pretty Pictures and even those she made immediately susbsequent to her release may not reflect her true sentiment at all.


Blogger DanMyers said...

Propaganda, once again, used as their most powerful tool. If Miss Carroll has the stuff, it would be nice to see her come back and tell the real story.

3/31/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

Maybe in a month I'll be proven wrong but right now I'd toss her and whoever hired under the first bus that came by.

While I'm at it I'd toss Michael Ware and the whole editorial board of Time Magazine under there with her. Ware admitted in a Hewitt interview that he has to be less than honest when reporting about the insurgents, for his own safety, and so that he could maintain access to them.

Isn't there supposed to be something called journalistic integrity?

3/31/2006 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger Moneyrunner said...

Journalistic integrity, like jumbo shrimp, is an oxymoron.

3/31/2006 03:35:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


re: "journalistic integrity?"

That is journalistic integrity.

Folk like us being on this site and countless others shows what we think.

3/31/2006 03:44:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

allen said...

"That is journalistic integrity... Folk like us being on this site and countless others shows what we think."

And what percentage of the voting population do we represent? The bad guys, MSM and moonbats are spewing so much nonsense that hardly anyone knows the truth about Iraq.

3/31/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

This morning on Fox News an intervew with a friend or family member of Jill Carroll said quite emphatically:

1. She is not ant-Pres Bush.
2. She is not anti-war.
3. The people who kidnapped her are absolutely terrible.
4. You will hear all of this clearly once she is back home.

If nothing else, it will be interesting to see how much coverage she gets if she comes back here and starts singing a different tune.

I'm with you Peterboston, but if she holds a news conference and says "Kill'em all and let God sort them out." I might come to think otherwise.

3/31/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The antigue media's problem is that they wish desperately to be seen as non-aligned, impartial observers and reporters. Remember their post 9/11 debate over whether Anchors should wear American Flag lapel pins?

As the GWOT wears on and they are captured and killed they will learn the error of their ways.

They are foolish, foolish people.

3/31/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Here's a helluva war correspondent.

3/31/2006 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ernie Pyle and men like him:

That's what we need.

Not a fifth column.

3/31/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

If you want some more, Whit--

3/31/2006 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buddy, that was a very interesting look back at a different era.

The war was before my day but my "band of brothers" spent many hours fighting imaginary Jerry's and Japs.

3/31/2006 06:50:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

It's surprising how the MSM didn't make more of the fact that the video was provided by the enemy, and tell their listeners / readers it should be taken with a large grain of salt (or perhaps even delayed its use until after verifying it with a number of parties).

You'd think that after Rummy told them how they were being used, and after the CNN debacle of reporting propaganda as news because they were being blackmailed by Saddam, the industry would be doubly cautious.

Well, maybe not. (imagine a room full of children running around a room with their hands over their ears screaming "I can't hear you!")

The only parties that lose when an untruth are told are the liar and the listener. The victim may suffer a short term loss (that Machiavelli and Sun Tzu argue can be used to the victim's advantage), but eventually the truth will come out and the deceived will punish both themselves and the liar.

3/31/2006 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

My dad flew a B-17, Whit--he was shot down in '44 and spent 15 mo in Stalag Luft 1. Came home, met mom, and produced four of us ding-a-ling Boomers.

3/31/2006 08:07:00 PM  
Blogger Karridine said...

But y'know, Whit?

Those 'foolish, foolish people' endanger millions and take the lives of thousands every year!

Par for the course? Or can we do more to identify, isolate and muffle them?

3/31/2006 10:48:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus Aurelius said...

Ari Tai,

The reason the MSM didn't go into the possibility of terrorist coercion and threat (at least the possibility) is because they so much believe what Ms. Carrol was saying.

Over at All Things Beautiful one hostile commentator sums up the attitude perfectly by calling us delusional that we don't believe the things Jill Carrol was stating, that we think something so obviously true must be coerced rather than freely stated.

4/01/2006 08:33:00 AM  
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4/01/2006 08:34:00 AM  
Blogger Cobalt Blue said...

If she made that video under duress, I believe she has an affirmative obligation now to repudiate her statements. Moreover, it is an urgent obligation.

I doubt she feels it.

4/01/2006 09:19:00 AM  
Blogger sirius_sir said...

Jill Carroll: I Was Coerced

4/01/2006 01:48:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

BTW, If anyone is reading this thread.. Jill just spoke out about her "Speech Under Duress"

4/01/2006 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...


Beat me to the punch...

4/01/2006 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

It is wonderful to see her, her company and her family thanking the coalition's military. Unsaid is how many rescue attempts were made, and how many casualties were taken attempting same (for her and others that have been taken hostage).

I'm humbled by their example. They (specifically the U.S. soldier) bleed all over the world for us, for our (often not so good) friends, and even our enemies (i.e. we fight in a way that honors sanctuary from an enemy that despoils the word). Be it the World Wars, Korean, Vietnam, and all the small wars, there has not been a selfish bone in evidence in any of these, though we were often mightily provoked.

I wonder if the MSM will now write articles reflecting on Rummy's challenge on how they and their processes are a malleable tool of the enemy, and try to find a way out of the hole they have dug for themselves. The answer is obvious - use less process (if it bleeds it leads) and more intellect and judgment, and reward reporters who demonstrate same.

4/01/2006 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger doolz said...

I want to be judged as a journalist, not as a hostage. I remain as committed as ever to fairness and accuracy--to discovering the truth--and so I will not engage in polemics. But let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes.

Even if in the extended dance mix she comes out with a whole list of 'buts' and silly moral equivalencies, she's still light years ahead of the ingracious CPT dudes. She doesn't sound afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome either, she was behaving rationally.

It could well be that she's not a bad journalist, I can't really say, having not (to my knowledge) read anything she's written.

4/01/2006 09:17:00 PM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Pictures of her wearing that damned headscarf pre-kidnapping and being sensitive all over the place about the wonderful culture of Iraq make me think she's not going to be *too* tough ultimately on the poor misunderstood freedom fighters.

4/02/2006 12:33:00 AM  
Blogger Alexis said...

So, does the reportage we're getting from the mainstream media reflect the reporters' fears of getting kidnapped by the "mujahedeen"? Not a minor question.

It would seem that the news media have a vested interest in showing the most gruesome images from Iraq in the belief that creating the impression of a "quagmire" would make them less likely to be kidnapped or murdered by terrorists. And the terrorists certainly have a vested interest in enforcing de facto censorship on the American press.

Think about it in evolutionary terms. If every honest reporter gets killed, the only reporters who survive would be those who create a false impression.

4/02/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Roggio, Yon and Michael Ware none of them have been killed. Frankly, I'm a little bit stunned that given Ware's recent braggadocio confessions, he's still walking around with his head on.

4/02/2006 03:10:00 PM  
Blogger Ymarsakar said...

Vincent was killed.

4/03/2006 02:59:00 PM  

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