Saturday, March 25, 2006

The bridge at San Luis Rey

Three men currently in the blogs are loosely connected by a single theme. The first is Abdul Rahman, a Muslim who has been sentenced to death for converting to Christianity. Michelle Malkin has been featuring him prominently. Wikipedia has a short account of his life.

Abdul Rahman (probably born 1965) is an Afghan citizen who was arrested and charged with apostasy in Afghanistan in March 2006. His conversion from Islam to Christianity is punishable by death under most interpretations of the shariat, Islamic law (see apostasy in Islam). Abdul Rahman's arrest and trial has brought international attention to an apparent contradiction in the Constitution of Afghanistan, which recognizes both freedom of religion and the Hanafi school of sharia law.

Abdul Rahman was probably born in 1965 in Panjshir Valley in Afghanistan. He converted to Christianity in 1990, while providing medical assistance to Afghan refugees in Peshawar, Pakistan, as a staff member of a Christian non-governmental aid group. In 1993, he moved to Germany, and he later unsuccessfully sought asylum in Belgium before returning to Afghanistan in 2002 after the fall of the Taliban government. Abdul Rahman was divorced by his wife over his conversion to Christianity, and in the ensuing custody battle over the couple's two daughters, she and her family raised the issue of his religion as grounds for denying him custody.

Though facing a possible death sentence, Rahman holds firm to his convictions: "They want to sentence me to death and I accept it… I am a Christian, which means I believe in the Trinity… I believe in Jesus Christ."

The second is Fabrizio Quattrocchi, who the President of Italy has just awarded "Medaglia d'Oro al Valor Civile". His story is at Winds of Change and at the National Review Online. James Robbins at the National Review tells his story.

Witness Fabrizio Quattrocchi, 36, a baker from Italy who went to Iraq to work as a security guard for a contracting firm. He and three other Italians were taken hostage by al-Katibat al-Khadra, the Green Battalion, who demanded that Italy release some of the Muslim extremists they are holding, and that Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi apologize for statements he made that allegedly insulted Islam. They showed the hostages on video, and threatened to kill them if their demands were not met. To demonstrate they were serious, they took Quattrocchi to a field, and had him dig a large hole. They then put a hood over his head and forced him to kneel by the grave, preparing to murder him. But Fabrizio did not cooperate. He stood and tried to pull off the hood, shouting, "Now I'll show you how an Italian dies!" The terrorists shot him in the back of the neck.

Lastly, there is Desmond Doss, Second World War Medal of Honor Winner, who died at 87 in his home in Alabama.

“Raised a Seventh-day Adventist … instead of accepting a deferment, Doss voluntarily joined the Army as a conscientious objector … as a company medic … in Okinawa, Japan, he refused to take cover from enemy fire as he rescued approximately 75 wounded soldiers, carrying them one by one and lowering them over the edge of the 400-foot Maeda Escarpment. He did not stop until nearly 12 hours, later when he had brought everyone to safety”

Rahman Quattrocchi Doss

 

In other news:

Iraq's embassy to Canada lashed out at the Christian Peacemaker Teams Friday, calling them "phony pacifists" and "dupes" after the anti-war group responded to the rescue of three of its kidnapped activists by condemning the U.S.-led military intervention in Iraq. In a statement obtained by the National Post, the Iraqi embassy called CPT "willfully ignorant" and "outrageous," and accused the Chicago-based group of being on the side of anti-democratic forces in Iraq. "The Christian Peacemaker Teams practises the kind of politics that automatically nominate them as dupes for jihadism and fascism," the embassy's statement said. ...

New details also emerged about the men's treatment during their confinement. Nash [Maxine Nash, a CPT worker in Baghdad] said the men struggled to communicate with their captors. Only Fox spoke a small amount of Arabic, so they mostly used hand signals.

The men also said they had not been physically abused: They were given food and kept somewhat warm during the long winter. The main problem they encountered during 118 days of captivity, Nash said, was boredom. "If you're sitting there day after day with nothing to do, that must be a pretty boring thing," Nash said. "They didn't mention that they had a lot of fear on a daily basis. There were certainly times when they were fearful, mostly because of the unknown -- for example, when Tom [Fox] was taken and not returned."

Fox, the American hostage, disappeared from the group on Feb. 12, Nash said. The hostages were initially under the impression he had been freed, but realized he may have met another fate after catching a glimpse of his face on television. The hostages did not learn for certain Fox was dead until after their release.

The CPT workers in Iraq are also counteracting rumours Fox was tortured before he was killed. Nash cited two unidentified "independent sources" who said the American had been shot in the head and chest, but had not been tortured.

 

77 Comments:

Blogger Sardonic said...

The CPT are traitors, plain and simple, and nothing more. If we had a sensible government they would act on this fact by revoking their citizenship and confiscating their passports. The CPT's statements and actions show that their activities have one and only one purpose: to discredit the Republicans generally, and the President of the United States in particular. It is exceedingly likely that had the President been a Democrat instead of a Republican then the CPT would not be in Iraq. These "Christians" are literally rooting for the Enemy, even when they kill their own people. How STUPID is that? And they expect to get support from the American people? Don't make me laugh.

On another point: Reading the "news" is one thing - you can see the bias. But really where the bias is the most subtle, yet ever present, and under discussed thus far to my knowledge, is in the TONE of their "reports". On the way home I was listening to the "news" on the radio and you could just hear the eye-rolling and condescension in the voice of the "reporter" as he stated that more American soldiers were killed in Iraq today. Had he stated out loud what was CLEARLY in his mind he would have said: "And today more American soldiers were slaughtered by the heroic forces of the Insurgency in Iraq, thereby proving yet once again that George Bush is a big stupid moron idiot turdball imbecile moron idiot, turdball... imbecile… (pant pant)… moron."

:P

What would make an interesting study would be to audio-compare the reports from the news media reporting on Iraq with the recordings of news reports from World War II and describe the intonation in terms of messages that differ between the two. One constitutes sober and serious reporting, and the other reveals a disturbingly infantile propagandization of the "news". It would make an interesting and revealing study.

3/25/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Desmond Doss' history is amazing, refer to:

http://www.medalofhonor.com/DesmondDoss1.htm

I was feeling a bit grim reading about the CPT's misconduct (moonbats!!). However Desmond Doss more than makes up for the CPT.

3/25/2006 03:12:00 PM  
Blogger Meme chose said...

It is because this generation has never been taught about the existence of Desmond Doss or the long line of people like him stretching back two thousand years that we are having again to start fighting this new conflict divided.

It's actually our fault for ceding public education to the bunch of brainless leftists who have entrenched themselves there, and will have to be rooted out eventually, just as the PATCO air traffic controllers were.

3/25/2006 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger Annoy Mouse said...

Thanks as always Wretch. If you didn't follow this very important story... I don't know who would.

Cheers.
AM

3/25/2006 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

So the poor dears were bored.

If that occurred at Gitmo they would call that "torture."

3/25/2006 03:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

The Islamists are engaged in reviving and spreading a brutal and retrograde body of laws. Wherever the Islamists implement Shariah, or Islamic law, women are hounded from the public arena, denied education and forced into a life of domestic slavery.

Cultural and moral relativists sap our sense of moral outrage by claiming that human rights are a Western invention. Men who abuse women rarely fail to use the vocabulary the relativists have provided them. They claim the right to adhere to an alternative set of values - an "Asian," "African" or "Islamic" approach to human rights.

This mind-set needs to be broken. A culture that carves the genitals of young girls, hobbles their minds and justifies their physical oppression is not equal to a culture that believes women have the same rights as men.

We need a worldwide campaign to reform cultures that permit this kind of crime.

Let's start to name them and shame them.
Rat's Ayaan Hirsi Ali LINK
Nick Cohen on Darfur.

The Islamists in Khartoum are threatening to set al-Qaeda on the UN if it sends in its own troops. Meanwhile, Sudan is aiding rebel forces in Chad and Chad is aiding rebel forces in the Sudan. War between the two countries is a possibility.

We cannot bolt the gates of Fortress Europe and pretend the crisis has nothing to do with us. We ought to have learned by now that the people smugglers will bring in asylum seekers and, with them, new racial tensions.

We should also know that the ability of Sudan’s rulers to get away with promoting terrorism could lead to Islamist attacks on the ‘far enemy’ in Europe as well as targets in their backyard.

3/25/2006 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

What we need is the Terrible Swift Sword swooping across the tropic of Cancer from Morocco to india.

3/25/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

Considering what they call a teacher nowdays and what their likely political views and life experience consist of, it is in retrospect simply astonishing that in High School one of may teachers was in command of an 800 ton USN seaplane tender on 7 Dec 41 - and despite receiving word that he was to assume that the entire USN had been destroyed, he took his ship into Pearl Harbor on 9 Dec, the guns manned and the crew convinced that they would have to fight their way in to relieve Pearl.

Another of my high school teachers was a Bomb/Nav on B-25's - including one that left the deck of the USS Hornet on 18 April 1942.

Those were the Average Joes of the people who taught school then. The rest of them were just decent people and great teachers.

3/25/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger Lek the Avenger said...

Beg to differ!

Desmond Doss' valiant action does NOT 'make up' for the immoral, mean, vile actions of the CPT traitors after their ignorant displays of self-centered whining!

Doss shows the way, and his life can be considered a benchmark against which other 'conscientious objectors' can validly be measured, but his good deeds cannot 'make up' for their BAD!

3/25/2006 04:08:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Wretchard's titles are an English Lit course. Thornton Wilder's 1927 novel brings several unconnected people together by chance in a fateful time-space where their lives are suddenly welded together by Fate (or the Hand of God), through a catastrophic event.

Wilder also wrote "The Skin of our Teeth" wherein he quotes both the beginning of Moses' speech about the Beginning (which also begins the Bible!),

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

...and Homer's first lines of The Ilead:

"Sing, goddess, the wrath of Achilles Peleus' son, the ruinous wrath that brought on the Achaians woes innumerable, and hurled down into Hades many strong souls of heroes..."

I'm very, very intrigued....

3/25/2006 04:18:00 PM  
Blogger 49erDweet said...

eggplant is wrong and lek the avenger catches it! There is no way to 'make up' for the politically motived and falsely religious(?) cant of the CPT.

"Let not your right hand know what your left hand is doing" is the theological standard to which they should have aspired. Instead, they boldly and fearlessly go wherever US troups have been available to give them a 'shadow' cover of some type of protection, always critical of westerners - accepting and never faulting muslim crimes and abuses against the innocents they claim to 'serve'.

Through this episode CPT has clearly demonstrated the entire group are slaves to radical, socialist political thought and don't care a fig for the ultimate condition of the 'locals' they claim to serve. They aren't religiously motivated pacifists. They are politically driven socialists, and don't have the moral courage to admit it.

3/25/2006 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

"Upon the conduct of each depends the fate of all."

- Alexander of Macedon

3/25/2006 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

Buddy,

Not all the titles are "lit" except in an idiosyncratic sense, like "Criswell predicts", though Criswell was an artist in his way. But the three men happening onto the blog scene in one day really made one wonder about fate, and brought back Thorton Wilder, who ends his book about those who fell from the bridge thus:

"But soon we shall die and all memory of those five will have left earth, and we ourselves shall be loved for a while and forgotten. But the love will have been enough; all those impulses of love return to the love that made them. Even memory is not necessary for love. There is a land of the living and a land of the dead and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning."

3/25/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Blogger ledger said...

From the last two posts, this "CPT hostage" story is beginning to smelling very fishy. This same pattern emerged from other staged "hostage" situations.

[News.Telegraph]

The three peace activists... refused to co-operate fully with an intelligence unit sent to debrief them...

[National Post]

The CPT workers in Iraq are also counteracting rumours Fox was tortured before he was killed. Nash cited two unidentified "independent sources" who said the American had been shot in the head and chest, but had not been tortured.

Exactly where did Nash get his information? How did he get it?

[See Wretchard's links]

3/25/2006 04:58:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

An uneducated public that does not know who the real Enemy is.

Their mistrust of all things Arab has grown to such an extent that Rep Duncan Hunter led a House revolt against Mr Bush's Dubai Policy, against our premier ally in the ME.

The Mohammedans in Sudan threaten to unleash aQ against the UN and by extension, US.
Where is the US response?
Where is the Bush Doctrine's answer to these Sponsors of Terror?

peter boston agains call for US to abandon the Presidents course of democratic nation building. He advocates instead for cutting a path of destruction across the Mohammedan Heartland, except in Sudan, of course.

Funny thing, more and more the words of Sun Tzu are echoed across time.
Now we hear Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali calling for the Enemy to be named. He must be known to be defeated and shamed.

Soon two of Sun Tzu's other doctrines will become better known as well.

" ... Victory is the main object in War. If it is long delayed, weapons are blunted and morale depressed. ..."

"... Thus, while we have heard of blundering swiftness in war, we have not yet seen a clever operation that was prolonged. ... "

Victory before nation building.

3/25/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

Their mistrust of all things Arab has grown to such an extent that Rep Duncan Hunter led a House revolt against Mr Bush's Dubai Policy, against our premier ally in the ME.

?!

3/25/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger wretchard said...

ledger,

There's a lot that doesn't add up. The three hostages apparently had considerable liberty; they were untied and allowed to exercise, yet say they learned nothing of their captors. We are told none of the hostages except Tom Fox understood any Arabic. And he's dead. Yet Kember was provided with medication throughout? Did he convey the prescription in sign language? Maybe he had some leftover packaging he could show them as a sample?

The CPT survivors described the perps as "criminals" yet in other accounts CPT spokesperson "Gish" claims to know nothing about them whatsoever. The hostages say they never even knew that Tom Fox was dead. But CPT member "Nash" has an "independent" account of Fox's injuries and death which says the authorities were lying when they claimed he was tortured. The three survivors are described as being in good physical condition but the last pictures of Fox show a man who is definitely not in good shape in marked contrast to his earlier photos.

Something doesn't fit but that's just a hunch.

3/25/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Methinks their sense of reason has been consumed by their hatred for us; something they share with the terrorists they adulate.

3/25/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Mercy sakes...the three people who came together on the blogs because someone saw it and wrote it. Wilder's three beginnings and endings, all connected, the bridge, the break in it, the face of the moving waters below, and to fall toward it, either in grace, or hurled in wrath.

The state of grace, and the Other, which cares not a fig for the beautiful allegory and desires only to end the lives of those who do. What for the Other but Wrath?

3/25/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger Mike H. said...

Doug,
"We cannot bolt the gates of Fortress Europe..."

You're right, they won't let us.

3/25/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

Mike, you bet they wont. The Europeans made promises to Turkey they never intended to keep. Inviting Jihadis to spoil the party was no coincidence.

3/25/2006 05:29:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Mat thinks he's immune:
Bakersfield's Buckaroo Dead at 76

3/25/2006 05:34:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

" ... Bush said, ... .... "The UAE has been a valuable partner in fighting the War on Terror. A lot of goods are shipped from ports to the United States managed by this company." ... "

" ... Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove called Dubai a "great military asset" and "vital to our security." Rove said as far as Dubai's cooperating with Customs and Border Protection and the Container Security Initiative, the UAE is one of the "best and eager partners in safety." ... "
FOX News

" ... "I think it sends a terrible signal to friends around the world that it's OK for a company from one country to manage the port, but not a country that plays by the rules and has got a good track record from another part of the world can't manage the port," Bush said. ... "

" ... Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, praised the UAE for its cooperation in the War on Terror.

"We all deal with the UAE on a regular basis," Rumsfeld said. "It's a country that's been involved in the global War on Terror...a country (with which) we have very close military relations."

Pace said that the U.S.-UAE's "military cooperation is superb." ... "
FOX News

" ... Bush had taken an unyielding line on the sale Tuesday, threatening to cast the first veto of his presidency to block any legislation aimed at derailing the $6.8 billion purchase by Dubai Ports World. He called the United Arab Emirates an important ally in fighting terrorism. The Emirates grant base use to U.S. ships and aircraft and buys billions in advanced aircraft from the United States.

But opponents of the sale were undeterred. Even a powerful administration ally, Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, the former House majority leader, warned, "Politically, for the president, it is a huge mistake for him to be defending this decision. The president will be overturned" if he vetoes legislation.

Arab analysts quoted by Reuters said that the sharp congressional opposition to the deal - despite Dubai's status as an important U.S. regional ally - was being closely watched and could scare off other investors.

Mustafa Alani, security expert at the UAE's Gulf Research Center, suggested that politicians were trying to thwart the Bush administration's work to mend relations with Arab states. "This is Arab phobia and it is clearly politically motivated," he said. ... "
IHT

3/25/2006 05:39:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Rat, I think what Mika meant was "...our premier ally in the ME" forgets about Israel.

3/25/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

d'Rat

I'm sure the same could be said of Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey, etc. What's your point? :)

3/25/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

Bud,

Let's not forget it was Israel that first funded Hamas. The UAE now is just continuing in that tradition. Perhaps Israel should return the favor and recognize the Taliban when it next establishes a government in Kabul.

3/25/2006 05:52:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

Doug,

Know your destiny. For it is not in the stars to hold our destiny but in ourselves.

3/25/2006 05:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Sorry Mat,
It's spelled
B A K E R S F I E L D

3/25/2006 05:57:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

And I can prove it's truth by the fact that it's completely validated by modern science and also mathematically encoded with the number 19 beyond human ability.

3/25/2006 06:00:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

Sorry Doug,

This ancient pine prick is a little dense. You'll have to use a larger clue stick to make this dent.

3/25/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur Dent said...

MemeChose 3:21 said:

It's actually our fault for ceding public education to the bunch of brainless leftists who have entrenched themselves there, and will have to be rooted out eventually, just as the PATCO air traffic controllers were.

--------------
Sorry to be off topic, but as a conservative with 12 years of public school experience, I'm glad I had a 'free' education.

Education should be the responsibility of parents. Parents should directly pay for the education of their children.

This is the main reason I do not support vouchers, I do not want to create an entitlement, per child, for parents.

With that said, Dysfunctional parents are not capable of making the correct choices to start with, thus there needs to be a place for those who are unable or unwilling to do what is needed to educate their own.

Those who dislike public schools should pay for private schools, whining about double payment can come later.

Better yet why not private scholarships, for private schools, for a whole bunch of kids who need help? Why not? Because it is easier to whine about not getting $$$ from someone else.

/rant off/

(BTW even if you have only one child, (let alone 2,3 or 4), you are being most likely being subsidized by someone else).



:)

3/25/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

That Mr Rahman's plight has excellerated a growing call to steer away from Mr Bush's Course.

That for each individual there is an awakening that even our "friends" may not be.
Many of US knew this about Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan. That as Trish relates, it's often our Muslim against their Mohammedan. Those roles can often change.
Now even the most loyal of the President's men do not trust his Administrations judgement.

There is a cascading effect with each "new" story or event. Most of which are outside Mr Bush's sphere of direct action.

Mr Rahman only being the latest.

3/25/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

d'Rat,

Some things are designed to fail. That's the purpose of their design. See my 5:29 PM post.

3/25/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

If by that you are saying that Mr Bush set this upon himself, you're wacked, mat.
That Mr Bush made a Deal he said he knew nothing about only to scuttle it?
That the UAE set themselves up?
Or that Mr Bush's judgement about who are friends are is in question.

It goes back to not naming the Enemy. When it is left to the imagination, when "everybody" knows, they usually are wrong.

As they were with the stopping that Port Deal.
That was just a unwanted course correction force upon the President by Congress, his Party's Congress.

Duncan Hunter did not Stay the Course, nor does peter boston want to, now more and more individuals are transforming into Mr Lowry's "to Hell with Them" Hawks narrative, right before our eyes.

3/25/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

From the Criswell thread:

"But the real story was the involvement of France and Germany. Turkey craves admission to the EU. The French especially spread it around that if Turkey allowed the transit, they would never get in."


Why would the French do that, d'Rat? Why would the French want to see Turkey, a NATO ally, allied against the US and in the same axis as the Russians? Think about that d'Rat. Go back to my 5:29 PM post.

3/25/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur Dent said...

DesRat said:
Or that Mr Bush's judgement about who are friends are is in question.
-------

From what little I know the UAE might be (read ceratinly are) more reliable than American leftists.

My question is whether you see W's judgement as being odd and weird? (In a Carter, Gore, Dean, Putin, Kofi, Kim-Ewe way). What is your standard of comparison pleeeze?

3/25/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

"Everyone" thought Mr Karzai represented Afghanistan's arrival into the Modern World. We just "knew" it.

peter boston called upon him to commit treason and violate Afghani Law. He's called on Mr Karzai to do the "Right" thing.

Now by more and more people Afghanistan is seen as backward, without civilization or hope of improvement. It has not changed since yesterday.

Not much different than the EU views US, when we execute criminals that are mental defectives, as backward and not to civilized.

3/25/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

I see his Judgements as being rational, reasonable and sometimes wrong.

He seems to follow the advise of his Staff in most areas. Mr Brown's release of the Katrina FEMA Briefing, Mr Tenent's "slam dunk" meeting are two instances. The War and Occuppation he left to others, the Military.
Mr Bremmer said Mr Bush seemed "unaware" of what Mr Bremmer was trying to say. I'd blame that on Mr Bremmer, if accurate.

I do not have more access than others to the workings of Mr Bush's mind.

I think he has allowed his Management Team & System to try set the Course to his Goal, I think we need a Course correction.

3/25/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

It's in your very own link, Mat, were you Permanently Damaged by Mr Dent, or did your parents pay taxes to Mr. Dent and then pay again for you?
---
(I did like your accurate prediction about Mr. Dent's arrival, however.)

3/25/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

d'Rat,

Afghanistan is a stone age sh!t hole with an average literacy level of grade 1. Mr Karzai represents Mr Karzai, and that's it.

3/25/2006 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"1. I'm glad I had a 'free' education.

2. Education should be the responsibility of parents.
"
---
Obviously a product of, as well as a proselytizer for.

3/25/2006 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

I still don't follow your
B A K E R S F I E L D
5:57 PM post

3/25/2006 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

In Afghanistan they are that much more civilized than US. Mr Rahman may be released, because anyone that converts from Islamm well they must be insane.
In Afghanistan mental defectives are spared execution, it would be to cruel.
That is considered by many in the World the minimum "Civilized Standard" for executions, mental competency.

3/25/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Thats in MY link.

3/25/2006 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

And you're calling me wacked?! How many people Mr Rahman murder to deserve execution? And since when does the death penalty in the US apply to the mentally insane.

3/25/2006 07:03:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

Doug,

6:03 was in reply to 5:57. I still can't make heads or tails with it.

3/25/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

You may know that, mat, and I and trish may know that, but...

" ... The United States and Afghanistan are working together to keep Afghanistan irreversibly on the path toward constitutional democracy and toward an honored place in the world community as a nation that invests in its people and provides its citizens with economic opportunity and security. President Bush and President Karzai applaud the efforts of coalition and Afghan forces and of countless Afghan and international workers who have joined to build a new Afghanistan on the ruins of the old. Afghanistan today represents an enormous strategic success for the United States and the world and a political and economic success for the Afghan people who have endured a quarter century of conflict. A country that was seized by terrorists to serve as the global headquarters of hate and oppression is now returned to her people and has become a land of liberty and opportunity for Afghans and a strong ally in the international war on terror. ... "

That is what the White House says.

Afghanistan
"A land of liberty and opportunity"

The White House

Such is truth.

3/25/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Just a little more time, mat, decade, mayve two, we'll get some positive change out of Afghanistan, have patience.
It's goin' to be a Long War.

A few Christians martyred along the way, par for the Course.

The insane, executed in Texas, more than once. They are attempting to retry the crazy Texas woman that drowned her five kids, so they can execute her.

Mr Clinton went back to Arkansas to seal a defectives fate, while Campaigning for President.

A well known fact, mat.

3/25/2006 07:16:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

5:34 PM

3/25/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Now that they can Bust you INSIDE a bar in Texas, can they execute you for it?
---
No wonder Buck moved to Bakersfield to have Buddy.

3/25/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

When GWB moves back will he be executed for being a Mental Incompetent according to the Democrat Party, USA?

3/25/2006 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

d'Rat,

This flowery sentiment seems awfully similar to that of our best friends in the UAE. Perhaps a secret deal was struck with the UAE to write this crap and Talk Radio just didn't pick up on it yet.

3/25/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

You have not been recognized Mr Mat.
Step Down.

3/25/2006 07:26:00 PM  
Blogger exhelodrvr said...

While I totally agree with the comments about the CPT being fools, assisting the enemy, etc. a lot of you seem to be missing the point of Wretchard's column. THere are ways to serve against the enemy even if you disagree with the use of violence. And there are ways to die that also serve.

3/25/2006 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

" ... When first confronted with the issue of whether execution of the mentally retarded is constitutional, the Court in 1989 found "insufficient evidence of a national consensus against executing mentally retarded people."139 In 2002, however, the Court determined in Atkins v. Virginia140 that "much ha[d] changed" since 1989, that the practice had become "truly unusual," and that it was "fair to say" that a "national consensus" had developed against it.141 In 1989, only two states and the Federal Government prohibited execution of the mentally retarded while allowing executions generally. By 2002, an additional 16 states had prohibited execution of the mentally retarded, and no states had reinstated the power. But the important element of consensus, the Court explained, was "not so much the number" of states that had acted, but instead "the consistency of the direction of change."142 The Court's "own evaluation of the issue" reinforced the consensus. Neither of the two generally recognized justifications for the death penalty—retribution and deterrence—apply with full force to mentally retarded offenders. Retribution necessarily depends on the culpability of the offender, yet mental retardation reduces culpability. Deterrence is premised on the ability of offenders to control their behavior, yet "the same cognitive and behavioral impairments that make these defendants less morally culpable . . . also make it less likely that they can process the information of the possibility of execution as a penalty and, as a result, control their conduct based on that information."143 ... "
The Rulings change with time

So look mat, the US "grew" in it's interpretation of whom it could execute.
From 1989 'til 2002, just 13 years.

We've got to give Mr Bush and the Afghans that long, don't we?

3/25/2006 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger Mətušélaḥ said...

Doug, doug, doug,..

How many times can I say this. We don't execute just for being a Mental Incompetent. We execute for being a Dangerous Mental Incompetent.

3/25/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

So, we're upset that Afghanistan is Afghanistan?

...and Bakersfield, Mika, Fabrizio Quattrocchi was a baker, and martyred in a field. He was the same age as Robbie Fulchs, the new king of the "Bakersfield Sound" outta Bakersfield, California, now that Buck Owens has passed away today.

No dents in that synchronicity--

3/25/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Are you REALLY Buddy Alan?

3/25/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"So, we're upset that Afghanistan is Afghanistan?"
---
"All you gotta do,
is Act Naturally"

3/25/2006 07:45:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Probably nobody remembers "Hee-Haw", but when Buck, Roy Clark, Grandpa, and that chubby feller did their little acapella gospel number every week, it stood the hars up on th' back o muh neck.

3/25/2006 08:29:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

Probably nobody remembers "Hee-Haw"


Gloom, desapir, and agony on me

Deep dark depression - excessive misery

If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all

Gloom, despair and agony on me.



Oh, yeah.

3/25/2006 08:39:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Beautiful -- I'd fergot all about them perfect lyrics -- show had some sly wit, didn't it?

3/25/2006 08:49:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"In addition to music, Owens had a highly visible TV career as co-host of "Hee Haw" from 1969 to 1986. With guitarist Roy Clark, he led viewers through a potpourri of country music and hayseed humor.

"It's an honest show," Owens told The Associated Press in 1995. "There's no social message -- no crusade. It's fun and simple."

Owens himself could be rebellious, choosing among other things to label what he did "American music" rather than country.

"I took a little heat," he once said. "People asked me, 'Isn't country music good enough for you?' "

He also criticized the syrupy arrangements of some country singers, saying "assembly-line, robot music turns me off.
"

3/25/2006 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

Why, thank you, buddy.

(Every Friday night.)

3/25/2006 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

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3/25/2006 09:24:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

'69-'86, that is a seventeen year run.

3/25/2006 09:24:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Official Site - Press Release
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Hall of Fame

3/25/2006 09:25:00 PM  
Blogger Cedarford said...

Quite a contrast between Desmond Doss and the enemy sympathizers of the CPT.

Wretchard, if you haven't read Doss's story, it will drop your jaw.

A link:

http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles/profiles_doss.html

3/25/2006 09:25:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

1962 to 1968 he had about 15 no.1 songs, Six in a row, 20 total.

3/25/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

reading C4's link, thinking of Okinawa, I couldn't help but remember this story, one of the first VDHanson writings on the net, as far as I know, and would be a very moving classic short story if it weren't the truth.

3/25/2006 09:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

My folks best friends were from Kingsburg. Swedes.
They were leaders in our community, church, schools, clubs, and etc. She never flinched at cooking for scores at the frequent family reunions and such.
Very close community in those days, and diverse.
That's what Victor compares with what Calif has become.
(76% of LA Public School students are "Hispanic" - in ten years when they have kids, I guess it will be 90 Plus.)
---
Does anyone remember the name of that series Wretchard did on Okinawa?

3/25/2006 09:57:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Doug, I'd love to read it, if it's around.

To add to your Kingsburg coincidence, the Buck Owens link lists his birthplace as Sherman, Texas, where my baby sister graduated with a degree in Spanish from a little Presbyterian school there, Austin College.

3/25/2006 10:09:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

War is a series of catastrophes that results in victory
It is always difficult for those involved to determine the pulse of any ongoing war. The last 90 days in the Pacific theater were among the most costly of World War II, as we incurred 50,000 casualties on Okinawa just weeks before the Japanese collapse. December 1944 and January 1945 were the worst months for the American army in Europe, bled white repelling Hitler's last gasp in the Battle of the Bulge. Contemporaries shuddered, after observing those killing fields, that the war would go on for years more.
Victor Hanson

3/25/2006 10:27:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

I have to post this, the conclusion of "The Ring". Hanson has already recounted the accidents that put him in touch with unit-mates of his KIA/Okinawa uncle (his namesake) and is recounting his conversations with them:

"When I asked whether there could have been another way to win Okinawa, one sighed and said, "Maybe — but Okinawa was an island of thousands of enemy soldiers in our way to Japan, and we couldn't just leave that many of them behind us. We were at war." When I pressed further whether the tactics of head-on charges against entrenched troops made sense, the general consensus was "Who knows? But that was the Marine way and we accepted it. It was our job to take the island, and we did it." Despite the horror of what they went through, there seemed a Virgilian sense of pride in their sacrifice: Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit ("Perhaps there shall come a day when it will be sweet to remember even these things.")

I accept there are critics of the Okinawa campaign. Too many civilians were killed in the crossfires. So many were lost so close to the surrender. The fighting on both sides was atrocious — with Marine flame and dynamite the reply to Japanese snipers, booby-trapped dead, and faux-surrenders. And so on.

But I also know that America has never quite produced a generation like those Marines who went up Sugar Loaf Hill — educated, idealistic, and as dangerous in war as they were benevolent in peace.

Now in their eighties, their letters and voices seem strangely tranquil and with astuteness of a distant age that will not return, so at odds with the cacophony of the present.

So on this Memorial Day and once more in a time of war, we Americans must be duly conscious of who they were, what they did, and how we must try to preserve and be worthy of what at great cost they have passed on.

This Monday, as on past Memorial Days, I will be surprised by the nondescript grave of my namesake. The inscription is as spare as the stone itself — name, birth, death, and nothing more except the nondescript "6th Division, 29th Marines."

Unlike the other impressive tombstones of relatives in the family plot, there are no inscribed res gestae, not even a "loving father," much less a "beloved grandfather." A man who dies tragically, young, and alone does so without capital, either monetary or human; when he leaves behind no progeny it is evident in the modesty of his commemoration.

But now there is at least something more, and as I grasp this ring with its cut band, and remember the letters and conversations this spring from the stewards of his memory, I pray to God that we still might see the likes of such giants again. And so perhaps we shall."

VD Hanson, Memorial Day, 2002.

3/25/2006 10:28:00 PM  
Blogger Das said...

There is another war of ideas going on; the war of Root Causes vs Murder.

In all societies since the beginning of time murder has been seen as its own final statement; it is an act you cannot go beyond. It is a violation of everything human; there are no roots to it, no excuses; that is why it is called murder.

The CPT thinks it can slide by the fact of Jihad murder by rooting around for root causes. But murder of innocents has no root cause; it is its own surface effect: senseless, brutal, a violation of every human aspect.

3/26/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger JSAllison said...

I'm all for rounding up the former CPT hostages and returning them to their captors and good riddance.

3/27/2006 08:11:00 AM  
Blogger pete speer said...

With the trial of the Afghani Christian I turn again to my description of Muslim society as being caught in the time warp of the fourteenth century.

Imagine yourself a Jew or a Muslim in the days when the inquisition ran rampant with the alliance with secular authority.

Why can we expect more of them today? Their civil culture has yet to experience secular political thought with Muslim underpinnings.

Once our policy and opinion makers equate the two civilizations at a set term of development, we can craft what we need to win the conflict.

3/27/2006 04:02:00 PM  

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