Sunday, June 26, 2005

Memory Slam the Door

Reader RD writes to say that "Michael Ratner, the guy leading the fight to free Guantanamo's prisoners has signed petitions in support of NPA and its leader, Jose Maria Sison". Jose Maria Sison is the leader of the Communist Party of the Philippines and the highest person in the chain of command which ordered the execution of Colonel James Rowe. The Anti-Protester blog writes:

On May 30, 2005 the NY Times reported on an increasingly successful effort by the Center for Constitutional Rights,(CCR) which it described only as "a group based in New York," to enlist lawyers to represent detainees being held by the U.S. at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The story focused on CCR's success in recruiting prominent law firms to the effort including Clifford Chance, Dorsey&Whitney; Allen & Overy; Covington & Burling and Wilmer, Cutler, Pickering Hale & Dorr a firm that, oddly enough, also does business with companies involved in the U.S. defense, national security and government contracts sectors. ...

In order to fully understand CCR's publicly stated reasons for advocating for prisoners at Guantanamo, which center on the concept of "civil rights," and to understand its lesser known but much more important reasons for wanting interrogations there halted, it is necessary to briefly examine the history of the CCR and its leadership ... and a thorough examination of CCR's current president, Michael Ratner, who is the driving force behind the Guantanamo shut-down effort, is absolutely vital to understanding the position that CCR takes today regarding the rights of prisoners captured in the War on Terror. ...

Besides providing legal support for terrorists and enemies of the U.S., Michael Ratner and CCR endorse communist, fringe leftist and radical groups with anti-U.S. agendas. Ratner himself often signs petitions on behalf of such groups. A typical example of this involves the case of Dr. Jose Maria Sison, the head of the communist New Peoples Army (NPA) of the Philippines ... the NPA eventually turned on itself and killed approximately 1000 of its members in a paranoid orgy of bloodletting. Sison, who headed the NPA at the time, is widely believed to have ordered the purge. Sison and NPA are on terrorist lists in both Europe and in the U.S., which has frozen NPA's assets. Michael Ratner, along with Lynne Stewart, Ramsey Clark, Leslie Cagan, C. Clark Kissinger, Michael Steven Smith, the NLG and others signed a petition demanding that Sison and the NPA both be removed from Europe's list of known terrorists. The group also voiced its opposition to any attempts that might be made to extradite Sison from the Netherlands, where he currently lives.

Readers who remember my piece on Colonel Rowe will recall that I regarded his assassin, Danilo Continente, as a cog in the wheel. (See the comments on the post). Although I regarded Continente's sentence of 16 years imprisonment too light to fit the crime, I believed that justice was best served by going after the masterminds and enablers of the crime rather than punishing the triggerman further. Rowe, it will be recalled, successfully concealed his status as a Special Forces soldier while a POW in Vietnam until

students in a so-called anti-war organization in the United States researched public records and formulated biographies on Americans captured in Vietnam. After reading Lt. Rowe's biography, his Viet Cong captors became furious. They marched him into a cramped bamboo hut and forced him to sit on the damp clay floor. Several high ranking Viet Cong officials were staring down at Lt. Rowe. They held out a piece of typed onion skin paper.

"The peace and justice loving friends, of the National Liberation Front, who live in America, have provided us with information which leads us to believe you have lied to us," they informed Lt. Rowe. "According to what we know, you are not an engineer . . . you have much military experience which you deny . . . You were an officer of the American Special Forces."

The passage from Anti-Protester, substantially echoed by Front Page Magazine shows why I felt this way. The same people who betrayed Colonel Rowe in Vietnam and who subsequently ordered his execution in the Philippines are still in business. The same "peace and justice loving" activists, or people of their ilk, are working to free as many terrorists as possible from Guantanamo Bay. And the same Jose Maria Sison who commanded the Communist force which killed Colonel Rowe is still resisting extradition from Europe, from which he has presided over the murder of thousands. They are laboring ceaselessly to bring to us what we so richly deserve. We owe them no less than to return the favor.


Blogger erp said...

This is so distressing.

Law firms, contractors and others doing business with the sworn enemies of the United States should be made aware that they can't play both sides of the street and our government should stop doing business with those countries like the Netherlands who harbor criminals.

As the president said, "You're either with us or with the enemy."

6/26/2005 05:13:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Sure Hope Hugh gets on this right away.
Very hard to figure out what goes on inside the mind of Ramsey Clark et al.
...or too painful to try.
But there sure are a lot of enablers in Academia and the media.
(also Churches, Ford Foundation, on and on.)

6/26/2005 05:16:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"our government should stop doing business with those countries like the Netherlands who harbor criminals."
...or the law firms, or colleges, and etc that harbor their cheerleaders and intelligence workers.
(You want your grants?
Get with the program and get rid of the professors who are with the enemy.)

6/26/2005 05:21:00 AM  
Blogger ShrinkWrapped said...

Unfortunately, the ranks of the overt and covert anti-Americans is swelled nultiple times by the "useful idiots" in the media, academia, and the core of the Democratic party.
Dick Durbin would swear, and I would beleive him, that he loves his country, yet his words continue to give "aid and comfort" to the enemy; he is the poster boy of the "useful idiot".

6/26/2005 05:29:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Anyone needing links to Frontpage and other articles, check comments on Memory Hold the Door post.

6/26/2005 05:30:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"The core of the Democratic party."
Good Lord,I forgot about Move On and all those multitudes.
It is distressing.
Carry on.

6/26/2005 05:33:00 AM  
Blogger StoutFellow said...

Some of Ratner's soul mates have bought themselves a prime spot to force their twisted version of the 9/11 attacks on the unsuspecting public who comes to remember the victims at the World Trade Center. It's called the International Freedom Center.

To the IFC's organizers, it is not only history's triumphs that illuminate, but also its failures. The public will have come to see 9/11 but will be given a high-tech, multimedia tutorial about man's inhumanity to man, from Native American genocide to the lynchings and cross-burnings of the Jim Crow South, from the Third Reich's Final Solution to the Soviet gulags and beyond. This is a history all should know and learn, but dispensing it over the ashes of Ground Zero is like creating a Museum of Tolerance over the sunken graves of the USS Arizona. Among the main movers of the IFC are:

Michael Posner, executive director at Human Rights First who is leading the worldwide "Stop Torture Now" campaign focused entirely on the U.S. military. He has stated that Mr. Rumsfeld's refusal to resign in the wake of the Abu Ghraib scandal is "irresponsible and dishonorable

Eric Foner, radical-left history professor at Columbia University who, even as the bodies were being pulled out of a smoldering Ground Zero, wrote, "I'm not sure which is more frightening: the horror that engulfed New York City or the apocalyptic rhetoric emanating daily from the White House." This is the same man who participated in a "teach-in" at Columbia to protest the Iraq war, during which a colleague exhorted students with, "The only true heroes are those who find ways to defeat the U.S. military," and called for "a million Mogadishus." The IFC website has posted Mr. Foner's statement warning that future discussions should not be "overwhelmed" by the IFC's location at the World Trade Center site itself.

George Soros, billionaire founder of Open Society Institute, the nonprofit foundation that helps fund Human Rights First and is an early contributor to the IFC. Mr. Soros has stated that the pictures of Abu Ghraib "hit us the same way as the terrorist attack itself."

If you haven't already done so, please go here and sign the petition to keep the World Trade Center memorial from being hijacked by people like Eric Foner and George Soros, who want to erect a monument to the Hate-America-First ideology that drives their existence.

6/26/2005 06:05:00 AM  
Blogger yahoo said...

you people are screwed.

the war is lost.

prepare to tuck in that tail between your hind legs and run back home.

6/26/2005 06:12:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Whatever else do you do, if I may ask?

6/26/2005 06:34:00 AM  
Blogger yahoo said...

Rummy admits US is talking to jihadis.

Ths is SO rich in irony. Let's hear Wretch spin this.

6/26/2005 06:58:00 AM  
Blogger Tony said...

If anyone is talking to the jihadis, I would pick Rumsfeld.

A very informative discussion of the "neo-cons" in Bush's war cabinet is found in The Rise of the Vulcans by James Mann .

I think President Bush is a blessed gift at a desperate time, but while reading that book, I found myself asking "DANG - why isn't Rummy president?"

Maybe he would have told us straight out: "We're in for a long hard slog, and this thing is the equivalent of World War IV. We're in this for the long haul, and our enemies have no more chance of success than did the Germans or the Japanese in World War II. Each and every one of us is facing the test of a generation, we must not falter, we must not stumble, we will not fail."

6/26/2005 07:18:00 AM  
Blogger jtb-in-texas said...

I would dearly love to know just who it was who betrayed Rowe...

But the idea that any negotiations exceed "you're Iraqis, the others are foreigners, lay down your arms and join your countrymen and help us destroy the terrorists so we can leave" is ridiculous...

We need to concentrate on getting the truth out...

6/26/2005 07:40:00 AM  
Blogger Rob_NC said... even begin to dialogue with "whatevvver"and its ilk is stupid,the lib`s have sank so far into oblivion,the only thing left is saying the epitaph..frankly I just hope they burn in HELL..

6/26/2005 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger Tony said...

Rummy was just on MTP, and Russert asked him about a report that we have had "two discussions" with the bad guys. Typically, Rummy answered something like: "No, we have had many more than that!" And then he went on to describe the various factions comprising the spectrum between foreign dead-ender jihadis all the way to the sitting Iraqi government, comparing the process to Karzai reaching out to the Taliban "who don't have blood on their hands." Sounds about right to me.

Rummy also made a point about the number of attacks vs. the deadliness of attacks/casualties. He says the former number peaked leading up to the elections, while the latter number is up now. He also said we can expect attacks to rise again coming into the new Iraqi constitution and next elections. Sounds about right, again.

And the reason for the intensity of attacks sounds right, too, that an Iraq free of Islamofascist controls, free of the terrorist-sympathizer dictatorship of Saddam, is by far the greatest strategic threat facing the global Islamofascist scheme.

Okay, back on topic: speaking of the Dutch protecting this terrorist leader, how about the Italians arresting 13 CIA agents!

6/26/2005 08:35:00 AM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

You can hear the desperate hope in postings by such as Whatever. He/she/it really REALLY wants to be re-assured that all that bile and hatred hasn't gone to waste, and if it just repeats the "you've lost / quagmire" mantra often enough, it will actually happen that way.

I'm thinking that because "whatever" is this year's junior high ValleyGirlSpeak, little Whatever is probably this year's incarnation of a junior high ValleyPerson.

You'll notice that posters like Whatever never EVER actually put down a fact or figure to buttress their claim, for two reasons: (1) there are no facts or figures supporting such a ridiculous allegation, and (2) Whatever can't be bothered to take time off from playing videogames to actually *read* anything containing actual analysis. Which leaves out entirely whether Whatever could understand an analysis if it *did* take the time to try to read it.

BTW, Cedarford is a growed-up version of Whatever who likes to post pseudo-factoids to buttress his anti-semitic rants. If you visualize Cedarford, just add a few wrinkles to your mental image of a baggy-pantsed Whatever.

Frankly, I don't understand why anyone takes the time to interact or respond to either one of them. Of which I have now gone on for entirely too long, also, and I most humbly apologize for wasting your time reading about either one of them.

6/26/2005 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger erp said...

I'm second to none in my admiration for Rumsfeld, but his talents would be wasted as president. He's perfect where he is and I thank God he agreed to come out of a well-deserved retirement to join the Bush administration.

Rumsfeld is so fantastic, totally unflappable. His press conferences should be packaged and sold as "Watch the Master take on all Comers." He's especially good making short work of hotshot reporters from the ivies who got all A's in their journalism classes and are lightning fast with their leftwing wonkery.

Not too many people could sit for nine hours being excruciatingly polite to El Gordo and his merry band of liars and distorters. He doesn't even have to respond in kind. Just sitting there with a look of total disdain on his face is worth the price of admission.

6/26/2005 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger sirius_sir said...

"They are laboring ceaselessly to bring to us what we so richly deserve."

Reading this post, I can't help but refer back to Kruschev's boast that the USSR would not need to attack the US because America would be destroyed from within. It seems that threat needs to be reconsidered in light of current realities.

Whether by hijacking our planes and turning them against us or by using our laws to free terrorists, the intent of our enemies is the same. What makes the latter instance all the more frightening is that our enemies are making common cause with ourselves.

6/26/2005 09:32:00 AM  
Blogger Cosmo said...

Picking up on sirius_sir's thoughts, we found after the Cold War ended how the Western anti-war and anti-nuclear movements were fueled by Soviet money.

Why should it be any different this time around -- especially given the ideological bent of elite newsrooms and NGOs around the world? Just look at the hysterical focus on this country's relative misdemeanors at a time of genocide, persecution and massive corruption around the world.

The Jihadis are the 21st century's warm-up act. We ain't seen nothin' yet.

6/26/2005 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

The Soros NGO Open Society Institute collects grant money from us taxpayers. I believe thirty-three million dollars last year, "for scholarships, not for political activity" (that's under a separate heading, dollars are not fungible in the leftist NGO model, har de har har har). God I hope I see the end of these organizations before I shuffle off this mortal coil. That the vertical organization goes from Manhattan law firms to street-corner assassins is no surprise to anyone understanding the UN's hiring of Hamas for social-work, as Hamas has the charity end as well as the homicide bomber end. Always the deniability and the experts on the fine print.

6/26/2005 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

The worms will get stronger and more aggressive until one of these days 200 million hard-working Americans are going to spontaneously demand an accounting. I hope in the 2006 election run-up.

6/26/2005 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Take a look some time at who the Saudi's have hired to (1) do PR work to spiff up their image, and (2) defend them against the gazillion-dollar lawsuit by the 9/11 families. There are some VERY big (and WASPy) names on those lists of receivers of Oil Tick blood-money.

In point of fact, take a look some time at the lists of ex-DC lawmakers who appear as "lobbyists" for Saudi Arabia, raking in their percentage of the same filthy lucre. I'm remembering that a majority of people who retire from public office sooner or later are signed up as part of the Saudi PR effort. And since they're private citizens then, how can that possibly be a conflict of interest?

6/26/2005 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger RWE said...

Sure would be interesting to cross-reference the "Lawyers for Terrorists" list with a list of lawyers who opposed military absentee votes. Think there would be any simularities? Too bad no one thought to write down the names of the vote questioning lawyers. Let's not make that mistake this time around. Publish or perish! Or why not do both?

6/26/2005 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger Karridine said...

I recently taught the national-CEO of Keny Airlines, here in Bangkok.

One day, during lunch, she and her husband and myself touched on the subject of the Hutu genocide of Tutsis (Hotel Rwanda sparked the talk) and she tearfully and angrily related some first-person horror-stories from that debacle.

It is relevant in THIS discussion, because the great majority of polite *Western* society is simply NOT RECOGNIZING that the leftists and their Wahhabist collaborators and other racist-nationalist groups ARE SICK WITH HATRED, and WANT TO KILL US!

As many and as quickly as possible, by A-Bomb or anthrax or phosgene if possible, but by machete or clubbing to death if necessary!

They're deadly serious, "America is THE cause of all the world's ills"...

6/26/2005 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger trish said...

On Rumsfeld: Not the best defense secretary ever, nor probably the worst. Shall we have a vote?

Rummaging through The Corner this morning, I came upon the following:

RUMSFELD ON MTP [John Derbyshire]
Sunday morning 10:50: watching the SecDef on Meet the Press. Trying to watch, that is -- it ain't easy. It's like the "saddlebags" scene in A Man In Full.

Getting flashbacks from my working days. A project is going pear shaped. You call in the project manager to explain himself. Shouldn't he have budgeted for more people? "Well, you know, too many people can just get in each other's way..." When can we expect the next deliverable? "It's really, really hard to put a time frame on this..." Weren't the original time estimates way over optimistic? "I don't myself recall giving eny input to those estimates..." Shouldn't the users be up to speed now with training? "Well, they have their own priorities, we can only lean on them so much..."

That's the meeting right before the one where you dump the project and fire the project manager.
Posted at 11:37 AM

6/26/2005 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Trish, I and many others from the get-go realized that the enemy had a vote in all the outcomes. The pre-war optimism stemmed from a calculation that the war HAD to be fought, and COULD be won.

Squeezing streams of speculations out of the project manager and then beating him up with them later is perfectly normal and understandable--but if he were building your Florida beachside condo and hurricanes kept knocking the project back, you ought not beat him up because you'd never thought of the possibility of a hurricane. Weather is explicit, bad weather is the implicit promise.

Rummy and crew warned from the get-go that this thing may take 10--or 50--years. Please don't confuse the optimism of quickly defeating Saddam's army with the position on the whole War on Terror.

Lastly, google up some writing on the "Flypaper" strategy. Please. I don't mean to be rude.

6/26/2005 11:23:00 AM  
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6/26/2005 11:35:00 AM  
Blogger Peter UK said...

There are three main problems with the War.
Firstly the was the timewasting at the UN and the betrayal by France.This allowed the dispersal of Iraqi assets.
Secondly,for some reason it is not deemed politic to give a name to those who are backing the foreign terrorist incursions,thus making any concrete action impossble.
Thirdly the fifth columnists,fellow travellers,useful fools of the MSM,NGO's,Academia and complete pillocks like Whatever who think that if the coalition loses the war is over.
If we lose the war is just beginning!

6/26/2005 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger Red River said...

Trish said:

"Getting flashbacks from my working days. A project is going pear shaped. You call in the project manager to explain himself. Shouldn't he have budgeted for more people? "Well, you know, too many people can just get in each other's way..." When can we expect the next deliverable?


Brooks Law says adding more people to a project that is already late makes it even later.

The PMI corollary says adding more people at the beginning of a difficult project increases cost without altering schedule.

The only alternative is to alter the scope and layers. Meaning fewer deliverables at Go-live and also trim the staff to the doers. Then ratchet up the pace of changes using the production systems to iterate to the real scope.

The Allies in Europe had to modify the scope of their plans - first, they allowed low-level Nazis to help administer Germany. Second, they decided to rebuild the infrastructure and maintain a large garrison. Even so, the first two winters saw the daily ration hover around 1000 calories per capita - many people starved. Eventually they had to bring back many German officers to rebuild the German Army.

You cannot adhere to your plans when the enemy is actively engaging you. You have to diverge and follow where things are going.

6/26/2005 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger Peter UK said...

Of course the coalition is talking to the opposition, we would be insane not to.Frequently what keeps conflict going is the lack of dialogue.Often those who would cease fighting need a reassurance that they will not be eliminated if they put down their weapons.
Contrary to the pond life who woulf like to think war is a playground spat,"I'm never going to speak to that nasty boy again",all warring parties have contact,this is nearly always secret,usually in a neutral country or third party trade contacts.
The juveniles will just have to accept that this is the way it is done.It is not a case of being moral,being friends,being enemies,it is simply a case of stopping the killing.

11:35 AM

6/26/2005 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

Derbyshire's an idiot on this particular question, however. His position is we should've invaded, destroyed as much as possible, and then left, announcing that unless they kept quiet we'd be back. He also thinks Michael Jackson is a harmless old pervert who should've been left alone. I like Derbyshire a lot, but somethig about him is ultimately not quite right.

Have patience, damn. This from the people who were howling about a quagmire a week into the war in Iraq, and a few weeks into the war in Afghanistan. Could it be your sense of real time has been cliped by media pace and expectations? At least wait until December is passed they've either agreed on a Constitution and voted in a government or they haven't.

And even if they haven't, considering the enormity of the enterprise, you might consider time for a follow up solution.

Yes, Rumsfeld is one of the few best secretaries of defense ever, if not the best.

6/26/2005 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger trish said...


I'm a firm believer in the Sh** Happens Theory of War, and extend every forgiveness and ounce of sympathy on that account. It's not only an awful business, but a hair-raisingly chaotic and unpredictable one as well. However, when sh** happens, the worst you can do is pile more of your own on top of it - a subject that came up in the previous thread. (See references to "shoveling.")

In any event, it was specifically Iraq that was being discussed, not the entirety of the WoT.

Re: Flypaper. Already familiar. Thanks.

6/26/2005 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger Peter UK said...

Would not an eamil campaign directed to the clients of those law firms informing them what their money is being spent on put a bit of pressure on those law firms to think about where their loyalties lie.
All those clients also have stockholders.

6/26/2005 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

"The story focused on CCR's success in recruiting prominent law firms to the effort including Clifford Chance, Dorsey&Whitney; Allen & Overy; Covington & Burling and Wilmer, Cutler, Pickering Hale & Dorr a firm that, oddly enough, also does business with companies involved in the U.S. defense, national security and government contracts sectors. ..."

Hm... not a bad idea, PeterUK. I wonder what the campaign was about that convinced these firms to pony up for the CCR... Could there be a Democrat (political) angle?

6/26/2005 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Trish--gotcha. Just Iraq, and we were unprepared for an extended terror campaign at this level. Can't argue--except, were we unprepared? What would we have done different--be doing differently--had we had better foreknowledge? Was there another available high-strategic concept?

6/26/2005 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger erp said...

You boys are doing a good job educating Trish, but I'd like to make one more point.

To use Trish's business analogy, Russert isn't Rumsfeld's boss and Rumsfeld is under no obligation to appear on his program or answer his questions. In point of fact, Russert and the rest of the media are working for the competition and would very much like to see Rumsfeld and Co. fail so they can get back into power and return to the appeasement mode subservient to the U.N. where they're more comfortable.

Unfortunately a lot of our fellow citizens have fallen for the media fairy tales, lies and distortions and the anti-war, hate-Bush rantings are giving the enemy false hope that if they continue their wanton killing, we'll pull out before war is won. This is making our job much much harder and putting our military in much greater danger.

I have six small grandchldren and a very big investment in this country's future as the land of the free and the home of the brave.

The war on terrorism must be won. No matter how long it takes or how much it costs. The alternative is simply unthinkable.

6/26/2005 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

B-52s from the get-go sound great--but if we don't get the people of the mideast questioning their own political systems, we lose our war goal--functioning, spreading, constitutional democracies in the region.

6/26/2005 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

our weakness is our Democratic party leadership. One good Dem with a shot at galvanizing the nation as to the stakes, so that USA presents an unalloyed war-face, and the jihad would take on the coloration of a dead-ender play-out--rather than something that needs only a different US president in order to achieve world-dominance.

6/26/2005 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger ex-democrat said...

Peter UK said...
"Would not an eamil campaign directed to the clients of those law firms informing them what their money is being spent on put a bit of pressure on those law firms to think about where their loyalties lie.
All those clients also have stockholders."


6/26/2005 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Another well-spent effort would be to take a look at this site, and if you think David Horowitz' lobby group is onto something methodology-wise, then send 'em a donation and/or a thanks.

6/26/2005 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

And don't forget Wretchard! ;-)

6/26/2005 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...


With all due respect, your Project Manager analogy is only relevant to a point.

EDS was awarded the Navy Marine Corps Intranet (NMCI) project. Biggest contract ever awarded, just a few years ago. Big Idea: make all the networks talk, work together, be efficient. They bought into a huge challenge and got their lunchpails handed to them, biggest money-loser in memory.

EDS joined this contract, in fact won against a host of agressive bidders, at their choice. They had the choice to pull the dollars out of their eyes and decide if the requirements were do-able.

SecDef Rumsfeld didn't have such wiggle room, there was no going back and re-scoping the requirements doc. He and we "went to war with the army you have."

Rummy is ceo of the Defense Dept, tho he seems to keep his Navy Flight Trainer hands more tightly on the controls than most. But in the end, as SecDef said today on MTP: "I don't do politics."

As I said, with all due respect, I don't think the Project Mgr analogy is apt here.

Just based on "The Rise of the Vulcans" I think a case can be made that the Bush Administration is the most qualified and experienced bunch since FDR's best.

Rumsfeld - maybe I just like him because he suffered through the results of "losing" wars as our 13th Secretary of Defense: Rumsfeld, SecDef 11/20/75 – 1/20/77

As the Who said, Rumsfeld "won't get fooled again."

6/26/2005 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger sammy small said...

On the home front big money (i.e. Soros) is funding much of the left’s thrusts in the current campaign against the WOT. Isn’t it time for big money from the other end of the spectrum (i.e. Perot, Gates…) to establish a counter-counter campaign with high-end legal firms, PR firms, and other support fronts. The administration is obviously being outflanked by the Soros/Dem/MSM cabal.

There is so much more to do on the international front. I am becoming increasingly worried that the administration is losing any semblance of high ground in the US because of the counter campaign. Its not time for intermission in the WOT. Worldwide thrusts need to continue sooner rather than later re: Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Indonesia, Phillipines…essentially worldwide. There is no indication to the casual observer that this is happening. I realize some will be covert, but there must be something happening other than in Iraq. Have we stagnated? Has a perceived stagnation freed up the left to divert resources to undermining our base concepts. I go with the old adage, the best defense is a good offense.

6/26/2005 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

"our weakness is our Democratic party leadership"


This isn't our chief weakness.

Nothing succeeds like success, and it's success that we don't have. The Democratic party leadership can't hand it to us, nor take it away from us, nor deny unambiduous victory in the event that it presents itself.

There is no one to surrender, Buddy.

6/26/2005 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Rummy is fighting hard for a victory that includes a better world future. A better future for the world. There's any number of ways he could have opted for a ticker-tape parade.

6/26/2005 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Trish, please, you know the list of accomplishments in the military and political fronts for this admin. since 911. "Success" the way you use the word means the enemy quits. No, we don't have that yet--and one of the reasons we don't is that the enemy has been ceded control of the word.

6/26/2005 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger Moneyrunner said...

Trish has some interesting points regarding project management. A few questions may create a better understanding of the issues:

(1) What is the “project?”
(2) Who is the manager?
(3) What is the timeline?
(4) What is the product?

Trish, until you can define these issues and get general agreement from the parties debating the point, you gave created your very own straw man. I’m not disagreeing with your right to define the terms of the debate, but let’s make sure that we agree on the definition of terms.


6/26/2005 02:26:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

Peter U.K and Ex Democrat:
My thoughts exactly, but we need not make it so focused. Think about it. We are still getting e-mails concerning kids who went missing for 15 minutes 5 years ago. And e-mail that lists the lawyers and firms involved and what they are doing will rattle around the internet until after they are all dead (I am NOT saying it will affect their achieving that condition). And influence their prospective cliente accordingly.

6/26/2005 03:14:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

Before I go into this any further, I must point out that the project manager comparison is Derb's. (In a family of project managers, it immediately I thought that would be obvious by including the time stamp at the end of the comment.

Live and learn.

6/26/2005 03:25:00 PM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

I quit reading GREGORY DJEREJIAN at "Belgravia Dispatch" because of his visceral hatred of Rumsfeld. It was quite amazing how he invariably managed to loop ANY and every argument back to some sort of failure on Rumsfeld's part.

Ice cream melts in Iraqi heat? It's Rumsfeld's fault for not planning for sufficient refrigeration.

Too many troops / unsufficient troops? Rumsfeld's fault for insufficient planning.

Europe hates the U.S.? Rumsfeld's fault for being too ugly.

Not enough armored troop carriers, which then tip over when they *are* armored? Rumsfeld's fault, both for not ordering enough when the war first started, and then for not making sure they wouldn't stay upright when delivered.

The dinosaurs are extinct? It's Rumsfeld's fault. Mr. D. might not have a good reason for why the dinosaurs all went away, but I'm firmly convinced he could somehow loop that argument back around to it being Rumsfeld's fault.

This sort of criticism is not helpful. And I wonder to myself why so many of the Big Boy Bloggers continue to quote Mr. Djerejian as an expert when obviously he is biased beyond belief in one area, which makes you wonder what else he might be blindered towards, also.

6/26/2005 03:30:00 PM  
Blogger Peter UK said...

Good Idea

6/26/2005 03:36:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

(1) What is the “project?”
(2) Who is the manager?
(3) What is the timeline?
(4) What is the product?

1. The transformation of Iraq to a secure, peaceful, friendly, and democratic country.

2. The present administration.

3. None declared.

4. A Muslim
world safer for the US and its interests.

6/26/2005 03:52:00 PM  
Blogger yahoo said...


what you seem to carry around in your heads are portable memory holes.

read the above link, oh all you terror-fighters!

6/26/2005 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger al fin said...

This war between fanatical Islam and the more enlightened secular west will go on for a long time, perhaps centuries if we are too tolerant. Iraq just happens to be the main battlefield right now. Placing a timeline on this war is impossible.

I would fire any manager who was so inflexible as to try to apply corporate planning theory too literally to an inter-civilizational war.

6/26/2005 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Dan said,
"I like Derbyshire a lot, but somethig about him is ultimately not quite right.
I guess he's a mathematical genius, but he is a bit tilted.
An ex Brit:
What is it Peter?
With the Royals we can blame it on the breeding.
Maybe the water?
Here some of the authentic ale recipes call for 9 parts pure American H2O, and 1 part recycled sewer effluent.
...just to keep it traditional.

6/26/2005 04:40:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Tell us what we forgot, Whoever. Tell us everything we don't know. Help us be like you.

6/26/2005 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"God I hope I see the end of these organizations before I shuffle off this mortal coil."
Sad that it got past W and the Supremes tho it is a total and absolute contravention of the 1st Ammendment.
One of W's big time screw ups.
(hoping supremes would stop it?)

6/26/2005 04:58:00 PM  
Blogger Peter UK said...

All you carry around in your head is a portable arsehole.

6/26/2005 05:00:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

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6/26/2005 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"first, they allowed low-level Nazis to help administer Germany. "
So maybe we could find employment for C4 in Palestine?

6/26/2005 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger Ed onWestSlope said...


Your quote usage from NRO may have been misunderstood, but the discussion fleshed out some interesting thoughts.

Good Job!

6/26/2005 05:11:00 PM  
Blogger Peter UK said...

Unterbahnhof Fuhrer von Zederdurchwaten could never rise to such a lowly position.

6/26/2005 05:23:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...


Rumsfeld said they were not talking to groups with blood on their hands. You don't believe him--even though he freely and merrily said "oh many more!" than the four reported meetings occured.

Do you know that you live inside a Bolshevik caricature of the world and distrust even your own senses to do so?

Can you imagine The New York Times or Washington Post "ducking" a story that would be damaging to the administration? They talk exactly like you. And yet you try to out-howl them. Why do you prostitute yourself like this? What about this aesthetic experience you're pursuing is pleasing? Is it to gratify your herd's ignorant self-image? What?

They are meeting with groups that seem politically amenable to joining the new government. That's all. The news, for those who missed it, is that they have contact with and are pursuing political options with the recalcitrant groups. It is a very typical way of finalizing victory in a war, particularly in a tribal war. There's plenty of books out there on the subject.

6/26/2005 05:30:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Seems to me Rummy Bush Cheney and Co have a lot more on their plate than Iraq.
...and all that stuff has an effect on Iraq just as Iraq does on it.
What could we do with surrounding countries if we did not have a WMD Fifth Column?
How would that affect the war in Iraq and the WOT?
The timeline we came up with on our local disc group averaged about 35 years.
(but don't think we took into account the total meltdown that is the subject of this post. Who could have guessed it would get this bad this fast where the majority of the Democrat party is full on the enemies side.
AFTER 911!)
And how you think that is not OF central importance is beyond me.

6/26/2005 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I'm with Tony in thinking they are the best in my lifetime (Rummy, Cheney, and W.)
DO think if we had stayed away more from PC Speak from the get go when we had permission to do so, we'd be in a better position now to speak Truth to BS.
...but since the govt won't, the bloggers must.

6/26/2005 06:08:00 PM  
Blogger Peter UK said...

What a question,a "Thing" has got to live.

6/26/2005 06:08:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...


Maybe it's just me.

It's been two decades. And I'm tired.

Would you know about that?

At all?

6/26/2005 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

No, you wouldn't.

But let's enjoy them on Tuesday, shall we?

6/26/2005 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Karridine said...

I checked out yr link, WhatHeifer, and read a bit of mild, chronic anti-America spinning... Is that what you support, offer and recommend?

Others, seeking to step OUTSIDE the Left-Right paradigm, recommend investigating the One Who came May 23, 1844 and the changes He has initiated since his death at the hands of Muslim regimental firing squad, July 9, 1850...

Rational investigation? Is this among your capabilities? And then you might see how and why the Teachings of the Glory of God (and their effective and efficient practice by those who choose to abide by them) work FOR the betterment of humanity, left and right, but bar the door to traitors OF HUMANITY who would further heap cruel suffering on the courageous and honest among mankind!

6/26/2005 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Most folks that have made as many mistakes as I have understand tired by the time they reach my age, even if it was not all in faithful service to the country like your clan, and I salute you all for that.
...but I'll be honest and display my ignorance further:
What is Tuesday? ;-(

6/26/2005 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

And I still fail to see why you won't heap some blame for your fatigue where it rightfully belongs, in my book:
The LEFT, and the commies behind them that have been around for MORE than 20 years.

6/26/2005 07:15:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Whatweather, there IS some entllegant work bean put out on the WEB that is much more sentsable if you want 2 look hear at this link from Mr. E Xdemocrat that he left ("left" LOL!!!) on another sight.

6/26/2005 07:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

bwt, Bud,
"The majority of people voted for "stop blogging altogether" for a reason, you know."
Ah, the wisdom of the collective.

6/26/2005 07:45:00 PM  
Blogger trish said...

Ft. Bragg, Doug.

6/26/2005 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger subpatre said...

Moneyrunner's right on the money about Trish's analogy to project management. The analogy may be totally irrelevant, or it may have bearing.

For instance, what is a (self sufficient) drill for a fire? Normally everyone exits in an orderly fashion to assembly points for headcount, fire brigades go into the area and use equipment to quench the blaze. All fine and good, until Trish learns that it's a ship afire and the mandated "exit" has drowned the crew!

In the corporate world we fool ourselves (for very legitimate morale reasons) about "real world competition". One corporate law firm keeps a tank of sharks in its lobby. With a global economy, the rhetoric has increased; though Marco Polo and I question when the economy wasn't global.

The fundamental problem with the project management comparison is --for companies-- there's always an exit; a safe haven. Sure a bit of money is lost on an abandoned project, but life goes on. Employees don't die by the score, engineers won't be thrown into shredders, managers re-educated by rotting in the killing fields.

The ability of a firm to bail or take a financial loss without risking widespread personal injury is --and always has been-- made possible by force of arms. [Diplomacy is made possible by force of arms] The thin blue line --or red or green or camo-- is the bottom line. So to address the analogy: project management is an invalid comparison unless the price of failure is defined en mortis, the immediate future included.


In assessing your 'project'; corporate viability [short and long term], cash outlays, and employee lives must be weighed. Any and all tools may be used, from inaction to diplomacy to annihilation by fusion. [Negotiation's certainly viable; on 7 Dec 1941 the Imperial Japanese gambled on a negotiated settlement. In the end, their surrender was negotiated.] Allied corporations may be enlisted to assist; even un-allied ones or competitors with similar, overlapping, or coincident goals.

In the end, your 'project' must be accepted by the stockholders... about 200 million of them. Some stockholders want the corporation to take over the entire market, a few others want the corporation dissolved. But the majority want the corporation to be "back where it was", giving them enough return to be the richest on earth, perfectly safe and perfectly healthy.

The clock starts... oops, four years ago! There's been one shareholder meeting that voted the current XOs back in, probably approval for the corporation's direction.

6/26/2005 07:52:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Never let it be said that in are ignorance, we hear at Belmont dont never always Suport Are Trops.

6/26/2005 07:54:00 PM  
Blogger ex-democrat said...

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6/26/2005 07:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I think what he's getting at Bud, is that if we lend OUR support,
We ARE Troops.
(Not in a sense that would have Trish jumping up and down in appreciation for our sacrifice.)
...but, still.

6/26/2005 07:57:00 PM  
Blogger ex-democrat said...

"Yes thats right just keep gripping in NON CONSTRUCTIVE way" !!

6/26/2005 07:58:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

Laugh--then remember they can VOTE--then "drink".

6/26/2005 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger ledger said...

Judging from Wretchard's post, there is quite a terrorists element in some of our law firms. Were is DOJ on this problem? One would assume that some of those firms was given money by an organization on a terrorist list. Is the DOJ investigating this?

RWE does have a good idea. Were can we get his information?

6/26/2005 08:48:00 PM  
Blogger StoutFellow said...

June 22, 2005--A Rasmussen Reports survey found that 20% of Americans believe prisoners at Guantanamo Bay have been treated unfairly. Seven-out-of-ten adults believe the prisoners are being treated "better than they deserve" (36%) or "about right" (34%).

The survey also found that just 14% agree with people who say that prisoner treatment at Guantanamo Bay is similar to Nazi tactics. Sixty-nine percent disagree with that comparison. This helps explain why Illinois Senator Dick Durbin apologized for making such a comparison.

Michael Ratner doesn't have to apologize. He was not elected. He is self-appointed. He is, however, way out of step with the vast majority of Americans. The question remains. How do we return the favor? Blogging the truth is certainly a start. Perhaps complaining to our elected representatives about the use of tax dollars for political purposes by non-profit NGOs like Soros' Open Society Institute, as mentioned by Buddy, might result in their being audited and penalized. My lack of creative thinking is on display here, but perhaps it will be enough to let Howard Dean, Teddy Kennedy, Michael Ratner and friends to continue displaying a complete disregard for views of the American people. At some point the 70% of adults who think that the prisoners at Guantanamo are getting the treatment that they deserve might just recognize Ratner et al for being the radical America haters that they are.

6/26/2005 08:59:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

I agree, it isn't clear exactly how to best fight this rot, but awareness of it sure as hell beats the alternative. It's easy enough to google some email and snail addresses and to start leaning into these spaces some. The IFC Memorial is a good place to start. It's intensely symbolic and these America-haters are pulling out all the rhetorical stops to sell at Ground Zero the lofty social visions--the lofty visions that history well shows will sooner or later trickle down and make dead bodies. it is vitally important for them to sell the idea that rampant Americanism caused 911, because they must hide the knowledge that is otherwise right there for all to see, that 911 was a result of a weakness in Americanism, the weakness caused by these very people, who are now at the Memorial busily trying to hide their effect on civilization.

6/26/2005 09:27:00 PM  
Blogger Modem said...

MSN Hiring Bloggers, Bloggers Not Impressed
Mediapost report that MSN are hiring bloggers for a bunch of categories including tech, style, music and sports.
(I'm not affiliated in any way with these people... I just found it interesting and thought you might also)

Now that I have placed a disclaimer for my post (has the net really came to this?) I'll also include my sig file... feel free to delete it :-)


If you have a Cat, Then kitty needs Cat Furniture to!

6/27/2005 01:02:00 AM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Over one thousand and seven hundred US soldiers have been killed in Iraq and Donald Rumsfeld is assuring us that the terrorists he is sitting down and chatting with “don’t have blood on their hands”. Well, the Secretary actually may have a point there, because at no time during the process of ordering a wacked-out Wahabi nutcase, hopped up with Koranic verses running through his head, hurtling down the road with a 1000 kilo bomb towards an armored personal carrier full of women (many of them liberal) soldiers, is an insurgent (oh, whoops, I mean terrorist) leader likely to get blood on his hands. What is that Rumsfeld wants to discuss with these terrorists? Amnesty perhaps?

The Bush Adminstration has a choice to make here. With military recruitment down to such dangerous levels that the absolute minimum level of troops cannot be maintained into the future, they can either call on their base, the Young Republicans who so fervently support the war with words, to volunteer to serve our nation in Iraq with deeds. Or, they can sit down and talk disengagement with the terrorists over some steaming hot sweet mint tea. It looks like Bush has chosen to chat up Joe Jihadi instead of calling on Johnny McMansion to interrupt his college vacation (oops, I mean education). I guess the Young Republicans just have other priorities. Instead it’s Phil Carter from Intel Dump, and a huge critic of Gitmo, who is brave enough to serve his country with the 101st Airborne.

Wretchard has been quite eloquent in describing the injustice of the release of Colonel James Rowe’s killer. I believed that justice was best served by going after the masterminds and enablers of the crime rather than punishing the triggerman. At least Col. Rowe’s killer served some time in jail. In Iraq, our SecDef’s representatives are sitting down and exchanging pleasantries with the masterminds and enablers of the killers of many of our service people in Iraq. Amnesty would mean these killers would never see the inside of a jail. And the comments section of the Belmont Club cheers.

6/27/2005 03:15:00 AM  
Blogger fjelehjifel said...

Hey Kevin,

How do you know what was discussed in those meetings that Secretary Rumsfeld confirmed yesterday?

Do share. Because we'd love to hear it.

6/27/2005 03:32:00 AM  
Blogger Kevin said...


If you look at my comment, it reads, "Amnesty, perhaps?"

While it is unfair to suggest that I implied I was privy to the small talk that went on between the Bush Administartion and the Islamo-fascist terrorists who are killing our soldiers (many of them liberals) in Iraq; it is certainly fair to ask me why I am suggesting that Jihadi amnesty might have been on the agenda.

On Tuesday, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said the Iraqis will have the final say on who might receive amnesty, declining to say whether he would protest amnesty for Iraqis who had killed American soldiers.

"These are tough decisions they're going to have to make, and they're going to have to live with the decisions they make," Rumsfeld said during a Pentagon press conference.

Still, he said, "It would be a perfectly understandable thing to me for them, a sovereign nation, to say that they would like to find a way to make sure that more people are engaged inside the tent rather than outside the tent."

6/27/2005 04:05:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Too bad lefties don't run all wars, then everything would be fair and square, no injustice, no casualties, no collateral damage and
oops, I mean no war against terrorists, just hundreds of token cruise missiles killing innocents in order to cover for kicking the can down the road,
Continuing the LIE that Saddam was not raking in billions in his OFF deals with Kevin's oops, Saddam's friends, the French, the Krauts, and the Ruskies.
Back when FDR ran the war, everything was on the up and up, and no deals were cut, and losses were kept far below 1,700.
Same when saint JFK assasinated the head of Vietnam's govt to get things over with in a hurry there.
Point being?
(rhetorical: If imperfection exists Bush et al not worthy.
...but we support the troops as long as they are under Belgian Control)

6/27/2005 04:56:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"At least Col. Rowe’s killer served some time in jail."
But few or none of your friends here at home that outed him and others did.
Nor did their paymasters, your friends the commies.
Nor will Soros, although he has paid to give the terrorists all the MSM and Moveon support they needed to kill GI's who otherwise would still be with us.

6/27/2005 05:09:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

But we have no examples of people on the right back here at home providing information on our GI's at the behest and to help our enemies.
That is a point that seems to escape you Kev.
Or I should say you choose not to address it in order to make your "points."

6/27/2005 05:19:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

...nor did we in any of Bill Clintons wars, although the French as always were more than happy to help get our GI's killed.
Two sets of behaviors,
One mostly honorable,
the other not at all.

6/27/2005 05:23:00 AM  
Blogger Buffy said...

University professors with tenure along with journalists are often the most tenacious in collaborating with terrorists to defeat coalition troops. A lot of veterans of Iraq are returning to their home country and will be taking classes from these professors and interacting with these journalists. To many of the veterans, these professors/journalists have the blood of their comrades on their hands.

6/27/2005 05:37:00 AM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Col Rowe was betrayed by the radical leftist milieu that your personal political guru David Horowitz, an admitted traitor, used (?) to be a prominent member of (once a Leftist traitor, is it really possible to reform?). But of course you blame MoveOn and George Soros instead of the real terrorist, Horowitz. It’s just one more example of terrorist amnesty that the Right seems to be becoming the masters of. You know, just say three Hail Marys and all will be forgotten. And, of course, the so very flamboyant Karl Rove and his outing of Valerie Plame has probably resulted in the deaths of a number of people who, if not actually American, were certainly sympathetic to the American cause.

6/27/2005 06:19:00 AM  
Blogger flenser said...


You are an admitted leftist yourself, making your condemnation of the left rather bizarre.

Horowitz of course is a former lefty. If/when you become the same, we will accept you into the ranks of right thinking people. Well, maybe we'll want to see some grovelling first.

6/27/2005 06:42:00 AM  
Blogger fjelehjifel said...

Fair enough Kevin. But lets take it one step further: Amnesty in return for what?

The price might include more than getting promises from Iraq's indigenous insurgent groups to lay down their arms.

It seems like a correlation exists between the onset of the "negotiations" and the rising number of foreign jihadis who have been killed or captured lately. (See Bill Roggio's latest at

If we start with the premise that a number of Iraq's insurgent groups are looking to exit the fight, then it becomes easier to see how the Iraqi government and the U.S. military might wish to test the sincerity of these groups by demanding they give something--or give up someone--valuable to demonstrate their sincerity.

This is just a hypothesis, but it is a useful one because it allows us to look at the situation from the Iraqi side of the equation.

If they're winning, as your longer post seems to suggest, then why would they want to talk at all?

If they were winning, what possible incentive would they have to even meet with U.S. military officers, let alone representatives of the new Iraqi government, except perhaps to discuss terms for our unconditional surrender?

I can't think of much incentive, except perhaps to test the "diplomatic" waters, to see if all the domestic American caterwauling over the war has lessened our will to persist.

Make no mistake about me: I think we are winning, in the sense that the overall trend does not favor the insurgents. They now confront a U.S. military increasingly adept at counterinsurgency warfare and Iraqi security forces who are standing, fighting, and winning in Sunni areas.

If the insurgents can't beat the Iraqi government, they can't win. Period. This is where offers of amnesty come into the picture.

In fact, I can't think of a better way to whittle down the problem to those few die-hard Sunni Arab elements who need neutralization, either through death or capture.

6/27/2005 06:45:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

After the American Civil War there was a General Amnesty for all the Insurgents. Many of those pardoned had killed Federal troops. Good enough for the USA, good enough for Iraq.

6/27/2005 07:17:00 AM  
Blogger raymondshaw said...

And, of course, the so very flamboyant Karl Rove and his outing of Valerie Plame has probably resulted in the deaths of a number of people who, if not actually American, were certainly sympathetic to the American cause.

When do the trials start?

6/27/2005 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Good examples of Moveon "logic" on display today, boys and girls.
1. A leftist liar condemns a reformed truthteller.
2. A leftist useful idiot repeats a lie for a proven serial leftist liar's/traitor's wife.

6/27/2005 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

The first made his debut w/me here by repeating a leftist lie about Dave Horowitz being a racist, (!) citing articles he had not yet read!

6/27/2005 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Plame the wife of proven liar Wilson.

6/27/2005 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Both avoiding factual posts to the real nature of real wars, and in fact all reality:
The affairs of men are less than perfect, although leftist utopians need only total power and control to prove God wrong.
(in their minds)

6/27/2005 10:18:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Kevin confirms his credentials as a leftist by demonstrating the truism
"Being a leftist means never having to say you are sorry."
(Better to take your lies to the grave than to tell the truth, admit you were wrong, apologize, and suffer the wrath for the rest of your life of your lying ex-comrades, which is what Dave Horowitz has done.)
Kevin then demonstrates a second truism by condemning Horowitz for telling the truth about himself and his fellow ex-comrades!

6/27/2005 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Memory Slam the Door, Indeed!

6/27/2005 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger raymondshaw said...

Perhaps I'm/I've misunderstood. Mine was sarcasm. Unless I missed it in the news, Novak didn't name the source.

6/27/2005 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Blinded by Kevin's brilliance, I missed your more obvious humor.
...aided by Kevin's total lack thereof.

6/27/2005 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"more valuable humor"

6/27/2005 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Wilson/Plame is a real piece of work,
as are all their supporters giving him a "Truthteller Award." !!!

6/27/2005 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Mr.Atos said...

Last week, Karl Rove was excoriated by the Left and Democrats in Congress for noting that,"liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.'' As I said then, actually, Rove's only error is in his use of the term indictment. The Left is, in fact, preparing the enemy's legal defense. The actual indictment Communists and Socialists like Ratner and Soros have prepared and funded since the 9/11 attacks and prior to the next major enemy attack on this nation... is an indictment of the United States of America itself.

The old 'Cold War' with the Soviets may be over. But, the same kind of men are still behind the curtain organizing America's destruction.

6/27/2005 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger StoutFellow said...

Update on the International Freedom Center at the WTC.

The reactionary leftist readers of the New York Times have begun to respond to the 'Take Back the Memorial' campaign by calling it "censorship in advance".

The memorial's force will not be diminished by any other activities at the site, and it will inevitably serve as a locus of grief and remembrance for everyone who was touched by 9/11. But it is meant to remember something more than a day of tragedy. It's meant to remember the lives of those who died there, lives that were rich, complex and politically and culturally divided.

What those lives stand for now is American freedom, in its full implication and all its contradictions. That is what has gone missing in the governor's remarks, in which he demanded that the cultural organizations promise never to display art that might "denigrate" the victims of 9/11 or America in general. Mr. Pataki has accepted at face value the tenor of the protests at ground zero, which are, frankly, a call for censorship, indeed for censorship in advance - for political oversight of an artistic process that has only begun to evolve.

This can only be good. As the locals down in Georgia say, "Let the bit dog holler".

As for the artistic process that has only begun to evolve, go to the Take Back the Memorial website and scroll down to the article entitled 'Not Here, Not on This Site'. I am a big fan of Fine Art. Somehow this stuff is not quite it.

6/27/2005 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger Cedarford said...

Desert Rat - After the American Civil War there was a General Amnesty for all the Insurgents. Many of those pardoned had killed Federal troops. Good enough for the USA, good enough for Iraq.

Agree. Same for Germans and Japs not implicated in war crimes. No amnesty for foreign or local jihadis that killed Iraqi & foreign civilians. I think Iraq can get behind that.

As for Rowe, it would be nice if we could pay to get a look inside the Vietnamese intelligence files - like we and the Germans paid to get a look at Stasi and KGB files. Not to see which American POWs freely squealed or betrayed others, but to see who in America was researching the backgrounds of American POWs and sending that intelligence to the enemy. It would be delicious if we found 3 tenured professors or esteemed democrat trial lawyers at the end of the search.

For all we know, the FBI already knows but buried all those anti-war surveillance files in some deep hole along with the MLK sex files and other ancient stuff they'd rather not dredge up.

Doug - I know a job for you. Arab steam bath boy. Call your friend Ahmed.

6/27/2005 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger ledger said...

Bush constructing more power financial tools against the enemy - which could put some heat on lawyers like Michael Ratner who have aided abetted those terrorists involved in the killing of Col. Rowe. Hugh Hewitt reports on these new measures with his link to the WoPo.

[Hugh Hewitt]:

Syria replaces Iraq on the Axis of Evil In last week's Armed Services Committee hearing, John McCain asked General George Casey whether continued Syrian assistance in or acquiescence with the flow of terrorists and weaponry across Syria and into Iraq might have to be met with operations that crossed the border into Syria. General Casey demurred on the idea of operating inside Syria as that was a political decision, but Chair of the Joint Chiefs General Richard Myers declared that that flow meant dead members of the coalition forces and was thus unacceptable. McCain appeared to concur.

Senator James Inhofe asked each of the three generals present if any of them agreed with the term quagmire, and each of them firmly rejected the applicability of the term. General Abizaid also took the opportunity to endorse Rumsfeld's leadership against Teddy's tirade. Abizaid's strong performance on Face the Nation yesterday, as well as Rumsfeld's string of appearances, seems to indicate that the Pentagon has figured out it cannot allow the left's propaganda on the home front to go unanswered in the MSM. Good. The best antidote to Vietnam Syndrome is trustworthy information.

See Hugh: Syria Replaces Iraq

[WoPo on new financial tools]:

The Bush administration is planning new measures that would target the U.S. assets of anyone conducting business with a handful of Iranian, North Korean and Syrian companies believed by Washington to be involved in weapons programs... The latest action is outlined in a draft executive order administration officials are hoping President Bush will sign before attending the Group of Eight ...Officials who agreed to discuss the details only on the condition of anonymity said that the order's success would rely heavily on U.S. intelligence and that it is modeled in part on measures the government took against al Qaeda's finances shortly after the terrorist strikes of Sept. 11, 2001.

...effort would begin by targeting just eight entities, seven of which are suspected of working on missile programs, and not on chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. According to a government list obtained by The Washington Post, three companies identified are North Korean; four are Iranian, including the country's energy department; and one is a Syrian government research facility. Three of the eight companies have been targeted previously by U.S. sanctions, as have most Iranian government agencies. None is subject to any international sanctions, and the entities freely conduct business with companies around the world... the draft executive order goes far beyond previous measures by threatening the U.S. assets of individuals or companies, including foreign banks, that do business with those on the list.
"If there is a bank in some European capital that is participating in working with one of the entities and that bank has some assets in the U.S., it is conceivable that some action could be taken to the bank's assets here," said one senior official with knowledge of the order's details. Russian and Chinese companies in particular, which do enormous business with Iran and North Korea, could be more affected than others by the new strategy... With the naming of a Syrian facility, Damascus, which is suspected of providing cover for insurgents in Iraq and targeting political foes in Lebanon, could take the place once reserved for Iraq alongside North Korea and Iran as members of what Bush referred to as an "axis of evil."

See: WoPo

and see; WoPo page 2

6/27/2005 08:15:00 PM  
Blogger Cutler said...

"Most folks that have made as many mistakes as I have understand tired by the time they reach my age, even if it was not all in faithful service to the country like your clan, and I salute you all for that."

Crikey, I'm already exhausted, and all I have to do is deal with assinine college types. Don't know how you've all been going so long. I think I would have fallen over dead of a heart attack at SDI and the cruise missile debate.

6/27/2005 09:52:00 PM  
Blogger Cutler said...

Actually, scratch that. I never would have survived Carter and post-Vietnam slump.

6/27/2005 09:53:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

That was when it was time to stand up and serve, not fade in the heat. After Carter came Reagan, when the political climate changed, we were ready. The Noriega brothers never knew what hit them.
Indigs, if they have the will we can show them the way.

6/28/2005 06:12:00 AM  
Blogger fred said...

What I find amazing is that the Michael Ratner's of this world are not more thoroughly exposed and de-funded. This guy is able to go to very large and influential law firms and recruit top talent to help the enemy avoid our retribution. Is Michael Ratner that smart OR are those legions of well-paid, well-heeled, and greatly-benefiting-from-capitalism nouveau riche lawyers that disloyal or stupid?

Doug, my wife and I are going to vacation on Kauai'i and then Hawai'i at the end of August. We just can't get enough of Aloha.

6/28/2005 07:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Have fun fred,
Maybe you can blog it to let me know what that's like.
Since sometime in 2001, seems like I've spent all my "leisure" time on the computer.
Will have to think of some ideas from a local's perspective.
Where are you going to go on Hawaii?
I could spend a lot of time there, Waimea, Hamakua ? Coast, Volcano, etc.
...I've never been to Kauai'i !

6/30/2005 04:28:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Touchy, C4,
...or however you French guys pronounce it!

6/30/2005 04:29:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Btw, C4,
You've got the wrong Doug.
Gotta fix your pilot's address list!;-)

6/30/2005 05:17:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

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6/30/2005 06:18:00 AM  
Blogger fred said...


I'm a little slow at getting to read these threads these days - work has been all-consuming and there are other matters which vie for my attention. So, I'm trying to catch up here. A lot of good topics to catch up on...

My wife and I are going to spend four nights on Kauai'i, staying right on Poipu at Kiahuna Plantation. On the Big Island we will be staying at the Waikoloa Marriott on the Kona coast for eight nights. I love the Big Island. Both of us love photography, so we usually trek up from the Kohala coast up to cowboy country in Waimea and then down the Hamakua coast to Hilo and back again. Been to the island of Hawai'i twice, last time in '98. I love the Big Island because there is SO MUCH to do and see. We both love to paint and draw, so besides snapping pictures I intend to hang out on the beaches and sketch while sunning. My favorite place is in the water with the fish, snorkel and fins. I intend to not go online while there, except to e-mail everybody back home about how amazing the place is. I need a break from the investment stuff and other non-work craziness. My wife is still mourning the loss of her dad and Father's Day was REAL HARD for her. I hope Aloha revives her.

6/30/2005 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger fred said...

Doug, et al

Did you know that Michael Ratner's hero is Che Guevara? According to his own testimony, as a young man he did a pilgrimage following in Che's footsteps. Says it made him weep with joy.

Now, for all you legal eagles/beagles out there, is this the kind of person you should be consorting with? Do you feel tinglies just being in the presence of this Red Diaper Baby?

I feel more disgust and revulsion for him than I do for our more brave enemies in arms, however contemptible they are. This man, Michael Ratner, has made it his life's mission to denigrate and harm his country. Is there any lower form of life?

6/30/2005 08:16:00 PM  
Blogger alyosha mcbain said...

You people are disgustingly stupid. How does liberty equate with military oppression at the behest of multinational corporations?

Fuck you all. You are not Americans, you are fascists.

7/06/2005 08:39:00 AM  

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