Sunday, December 02, 2007

Chavez Hasta Siempre

Chavez wins his referendum, if he doesn't mind saying so himself. Reuters reports:

CARACAS (Reuters) - Three cabinet ministers on Sunday said Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez won a referendum on whether he can run indefinitely for reelection.

The ministers, who asked not to be named, cited preliminary polling and electoral data.

Leftist Chavez is seeking approval in the referendum for a raft of constitutional changes to increase presidential powers, advance his self-styled revolution and consolidate a socialist state for the OPEC nation.

Later reports however, say Chavez has lost.

I think Glenn Reynolds said it best. It's easy to vote the left into power. It's much harder to vote them out of power.


Blogger IAblogger said...

Don't you just hate it when democracy actually reflects the wishes of the people as opposed to being used as a fig leaf for US imperial dictates (as in Iraq)? LOL!

¡Viva la Revolución Bolivariana!
¡Viva El Processo!
¡Viva Chávez!

Los amigos americanos de Presidente Chavez y la Revolución en inglés...
Americans for Chavez
Bolivarian Circle 'Chief Tierra Blanca'

12/02/2007 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

The nice thing about the Internet is that it never forgets. And when the Venezuelans are starving, eating their pets, fleeing in large numbers with whats left of their belongings we should send them to you.

12/02/2007 06:11:00 PM  
Blogger El Jefe Maximo said...

"Americans for Chavez?" Why can the Left never resist kissing the shoes of the foreign left wing tin-pot dujour.

12/02/2007 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger showhank said...

Well said, well said Wretchard.

12/02/2007 06:31:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I predict..this hemisphere's Pol Pot.

12/02/2007 06:40:00 PM  
Blogger El Baboso said...

Pol Pot maybe... I don't think that Chavez is all that concerned with ideological purity. He'd like to get his hands on the Andean cocaine revenues and usurp, transplant, and grow the Cuban internal and external security apparatus. Then he'd like to follow in the footsteps of his hero, Simon Bolivar, and rule a big chunk of Latin America.

In other words, I don't see Hugo as an insular, autarkic murderer like Pol Pot or Kim Il Sung. Maybe more of an expansionist, imperialist murderer like Hitler or Mussolini.

12/02/2007 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger hdgreene said...

So we are about to test the proposition that what Venezuela suffers from is a shortage of Socialism. The country has had left leaning governments for forty years so I doubt socialism is what it lacks.

When Chavez was giving out heating oil in the Bronx or to Castro or wherever, I'd tell my left friends I did not object. "Hey, it's Hugo's oil. If he wants to give it away, let him." So now I say, hey, it's his country. Let him do what he wants with it.

Just kidding.

12/02/2007 08:02:00 PM  
Blogger hdgreene said...

Perhaps I posted too soon. It's close. Jimmy Carter may have to decide this one. Can Hugo count him in?

If Chavez can't steal this one he will embarrass the left all over the world. My advice: stage a few riots and declare martial law.

12/02/2007 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

In places where elections can still be held, when a strongman doesn't win by a large margin he has probably lost. If Chavez declares he has won by a hair and is faced with a large amount of dissent he may need Jimmy Carter to pull his chestnuts out of the fire.

And even if the International monitors believe the election is cooked they might justify declaring for Chavez on the grounds that it will "prevent unrest", "engage a man who is now clearly in charge", or that perennial favorite "moderate his behavior" or any of standard weasely words that now go by the description of "conciliation".

If the moral pillars of the International Community "urge us to accept" Chavez's victory while calling for "healing and reconciliation" that will be the code word for the straighforward "Chavez cheated but now we hope he won't jail all his opponents."

Let's see what happens.

12/02/2007 08:56:00 PM  
Blogger cubanbob said...

As Stalin said "it's not important who casts the ballots but who counts the ballots". Chavez will be counting until he gets the results he needs.

12/02/2007 10:25:00 PM  
Blogger j willie said...

Awaited the results from the "election commission" at this blog - which seems to have close relations with leaders in the No camp. They believe that they won by a more sizable margin, like 6-10%, but that Chavez would not publicly accept that large a defeat. Apparently, they have a brand new $300 million electronic voting system that is fully auditable, which I must say I am surprised that Chavez permitted it. Perhaps that speaks to his grandiosity. Anyway, it was fun sharing their joy with them in real time in the blog's comment section as we watched the result via being announce via Globovision. Amazing how technology has shrunk the world in many ways. You couldn't even have done this in the US 10 years ago, now we witness it in a semi-autocratic state setting of the precipice of totalitarianism. As my Spanish friends say, que rico!

12/02/2007 10:38:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

Chavez's term ends in 2012. He'll try again. Maybe in another manner. The way these things go, as in the EU Constitutional Referendum is that all rejections are temporary, but "yes" once achieved is sacred and forever.

There is no electoral result so permanent among progressives as the choice never to choose again.

12/02/2007 11:13:00 PM  
Blogger j willie said...

Yes, Wretchard, he supposedly spoke about another "reform" effort during his rambling hour long losers speech tonight. [I'm surprised they don't shitcan him just to be rid of his orations.] This vote, however, is the first electoral defeat he has suffered, and speaks to a fairly high level of frustration with his focus on only the bottom rungs of the socio-economic ladder. To defeat him, or his appointed successor, however, will require the "opposition" to organize itself in an unheralded manner. See this former Venezolano's blog for a cogent analysis of what's required to reclaim Venzuela from Chavez. It's truly a shame that this physically beautiful, resource rich country has its destiny tied to this man of mediocre means and megalomaniac ambitions. Such seems to be the fate of all oil-producing countries.

12/02/2007 11:51:00 PM  
Blogger davod said...

As Wretcahrd indicated - The process will continue until the people get it right.

12/03/2007 05:16:00 AM  
Blogger Peter Grynch said...

cubanbob makes a great point. Venezuela's reprieve is only temporary. Chavez remains in power and now has access to an "enemies list" of everyone who voted against him. He can hold another phony vote next year and each year following and only has to declare that he won in the election just before he is required to step down.

The future of Venezuela remains written in Zimbabwe's unhappy recent past.

12/03/2007 05:50:00 AM  
Blogger El Jefe Maximo said...

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12/03/2007 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger El Jefe Maximo said...

The voters will indeed have another opportunity to enslave themselves, but before then, Chavez needs to, among other things, work on his police. He has the luck of the Devil, though, no question -- he survived the coup of 2002, he'll (unfortunately) survive this too.

12/03/2007 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger DocMike1484 said...

The Soviet Union, Red China, East Germany, North Korea, Cambodia, Cuba, Zimbabwe.

89 years, 100,000,000 broken eggs and no omelet. When will the Left ever learn?

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Albert Einstein

12/03/2007 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

"Chavez's term ends in 2012. He'll try again. Maybe in another manner."

Isn't the world supposed to be ending in 2012? Or at least, the Mayan calendar didn't make provisions for any dates after that.

So we might luck out and not have to see Glorious-President-For-Life Chavez strutting around and sticking his thumb in our eye until 2050.

But I'm guessing he'll find a way.

12/03/2007 11:12:00 AM  
Blogger Yashmak said...

Don't you just hate it when democracy actually reflects the wishes of the people ? LOL!

I actually kind of like it when democracy reflects the wishes of the people. Like it did this time.

Got a little egg on your face there, iablogger. LOL indeed.

Chavez need not worry though, he has another 5 years to 'disappear' his remaining rivals, expel them from the country, or bury them in shallow mass graves.

12/03/2007 12:17:00 PM  

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