Wednesday, April 19, 2006

Notes from all over

A reader writes to say a monument to Bruce Lee has been erected in the Balkans to commemorate his contribution to World Peace.

The kung fu movie star Bruce Lee would have turned 65 in November, and a two-ring media circus descended on Mostar, Bosnia, for his birthday. It was then, in this mortar- and bullet-pocked city once famous for its Ottoman bridge, that the world’s first public monument to Lee was unveiled. Building civil society never seemed so weird: Here was a life-sized bronze statue of a topless American immigrant paid for by the German government and christened by a Chinese diplomat, erected at the behest of a dysfunctional community of Croats, Serbs, and Muslims.

But there are always unintended consequences.

Just hours after the monument was unveiled, a group of rowdy teenagers defaced the statue and stole the nunchucks, leaving the site littered with wine bottles. According to Sky News, one citizen responded with the cry, “Once again we’ve shown what Balkan savageness is!”

The London Times Online has a provocative post called Why America's generals are out for revenge: The US top brass are ducking their responsibilities - and beleaguered Donald Rumsfeld is just doing his job. Whatever merits the article may have, the Rumsfeld vs the Generals debate has become political, a stage where noise really starts to exceed signal.

The Defence Secretary has trod on toes in this process. He has insisted on interviewing every appointment to four and three-star rank — something that was more of a pro forma process under his predecessors. He appointed a retired Special Forces general, Peter Schoomaker, as US Army Chief of Staff, thus passing over stacks of serving officers. And with his greater emphasis on high-tech “jointery”, he has forced both the Army and the Marines to depend more on Air Force and Navy supporting fire.

The real criticism of Mr Rumsfeld is not that he “kicked to much butt”, but that he kicked too little. At George Bush’s behest, he sent the US armed forces into a war that they weren’t yet fully ready to fight: they are much more prepared now, but the insurgency genie is out of the bottle. He was part of the Republican consensus that was contemptuous of Clinton-era peacekeeping operations, believing that real soldiers don’t do social workerish stuff. Like so many reformers, his problem is that his changes discomfit existing interest groups before the benefits become fully visible.

A reader sends a video link to a Scott Ritter interview on Iranian uranium enrichment capability. Technically speaking Ritter is probably right in saying that Iran can't produce enough fissile material to make an A-bomb in the near future. For a collateral assessment see In From the Cold's: Numbers. But for those who regard Iran as the Serpent's Egg there is no percentage waiting for it to progress any further. If the regime is inherently hostile in nature, then from that point of view a showdown as early as possible would be best. Historically, the dangers on both sides of the Serpent's Egg argument can be illustrated by Germany. Germany probably started the First World War in the belief it was being strangled by France, England and Russia and 1914 was the year of "now or never". But on the other hand, Munich is a counterexample of how it is genuinely possible to miss the "now or never" boat to preserve world peace. Serpent's Egg arguments are dangerous ones indeed. The problem with history is that things are only clear in retrospect, but as a guide to the future, it is useful as driving down the freeway by looking only at the rear-view mirror.

Daniel Pipes has a piece on how the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) applied for Goverment Emergency Telecommunications Service at a time when they had a history of communicating with dubious individuals. Apparently the Emergency Service let's the caller get through during a time of disturbance when phone lines may be jammed. Their application was denied.

Oxblog thinks President Bush made a crucial mistake in not managing war expectations, citing the example of Winston Churchill who promised nothing more than "blood, toil, sweat and tears". You could make the case that President Bush already talked about a generational effort, a war like the Cold War, etc, but that the message fell through the cracks when confronted with his declaration that major combat operations were over in Iraq. But many images, like that of the Vietnamese police General executing an NVA infiltrator, become the message themselves. Take the Six-Day War. Until I read Michael Orren's book I had the idea it was a swift, relatively bloodless Israeli victory. Not until I read up on it did I realize that in per capita comparison terms with the US, Israel lost the equivalent of 80,000 men during the Six-Day War. That was an example of image obscuring reality. But going back to managing expectations, if an American President went to the public and said, "boys, we've got to get ready to lose 80,000 lives over the coming week in a war we're about to declare" he'd be ridden out of Washington on a rail, I think. It wouldn't do him much good to say "but Winston Churchill said ...". Those words would echo as he got bounced down the political steps.

Marc Cooper, who is somewhat left of center, says:

Comedian Lewis Black likes to joke that the difference between the two parties is that the Republicans are the party of bad ideas while the Democrats are the party of no ideas.

Writer and professor Alan Wolfe takes up at least the first half of that axiom in a somewhat more serious vein in the most recent Chronicle of Higher Education. Calling George W. Bush perhaps the "most anti-llectuial president of modern times," Wolfe points to two new books by conservative renegades to underline "just how bad the ideas associated with the Bush administration" have been. Wolfe's talking about the latest offerings from Francis Fukuyama and Bruce Bartlett.

Now I'm not so sure Francis Fukuyama represents Republicans, or for that matter, who does. But Lewis Black's observation is an interesting example of policy by negation: a situation in which an entire party defines itself by rejecting the other; a kind of anti-matter to matter relationship. The problem with that, as exemplified by the defense debate, is that one party becomes masterful at obstruction without itself providing a roadmap of where to go. To modify a recent media sound-bite: "I'm the derider here". At the end of the day one party leaves you with a roadmap and the other leaves you with wanting to tear it up. But it doesn't actually get you anywhere.


Blogger Cannoneer No. 4 said...

it is nevertheless unnecessary to enthusiastically support Secretary Rumsfeld to detect the rank odor of hypocrisy and ulterior motives underpinning the all too convenient recent statements of General Zinni. In case there is anyone left who hasn’t heard, General Zinni “knew all along” invading Iraq was a “bad idea” but at the time nobody wanted to listen. But what’s new? After all General Zinni enjoys nothing more than another PR opportunity to say again “I told you so.”

4/19/2006 01:22:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The thing about the Rumsfeld debate, is that it is all about yesterday, not tomorrow.

As to Bruce Lee being defaced...
So sad, the Green Hornet wasn't around?

To watch and wait or take action?
What is to be gained by waiting?
Manana, siempre manana es muy mal.

Bang the drum of War some more.

4/19/2006 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger skipsailing said...

The serpent egg indeed. Interesting that the Munich debacle keeps recurring in conversation about Iran.

I read somewhere that Mein Kampf is a very popular book in the middle east.

God may not have a sense of humor, but he clearly has a sense of irony.

4/19/2006 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

It seems to me that nuclear weapons make waiting a really bad option. If we are going, I think we ought to go now--the price goes up exponentially. If we don't go now, maybe we should try to rely on deterence. But deterence would seem a bad bet against madness. Bush must have a lot on his mind. I really feel for the guy--talk about pressure.

4/19/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger Handsome Hu said...

"The problem with history is that things are only clear in retrospect, but as a guide to the future, it is useful as driving down the freeway by looking only at the rear-view mirror."

Wretchard's previous emphases on adaptation would resonate pleasingly to Bruce Lee, himself the artist who coined the "the style of no style," with an emphasis on pure action and reaction, beholden to no form, tradition or model. Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do pursued an ideal wherein only the rules of the present game mattered, and any option was on the table, whether it was hair-pulling, eye gouging etc.

From the wikipedia entry on Jeet Kune Do:

Jeet Kune Do Principles

The following are principles that Lee incorporated into Jeet Kune Do. He felt these were universal combat truths that were self evident and would lead to combat success if followed. The "4 Combat Ranges" in particular are what he felt were instrumental in becoming a "total" martial artist. This is also the principle most related to mixed martial arts. The "5 Ways of Attack" are attacking categories that help Jeet Kune Do practitioners organize their fighting repertoire.

I. Be like water

JKD students reject traditional systems of training, fighting styles and the Confucian pedagogy used in traditional kung fu schools. JKD is claimed to be a dynamic concept that is forever changing. "Absorb what is useful; Disregard that which is useless" is an often quoted Bruce Lee maxim.

JKD students are encouraged to study every form of combat possible.

II. Economy of motion

JKD students are told to waste no time or movement. When it comes to combat JKD practitioners believe the simplest things work best.


Funny how Wretchard's convergences will pounce on you out of the layman's intellectual nowhere...

4/19/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Ahhh, but then we are back to the famous
"what to do?"
& now the even more infamous

"Then What?"
will be asked.

Watch & wait, as an answer,
will not be accepted, me thinks.

That's why the Mullahs have the ball and the Mo', I'm afraid.

4/19/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...


"Ahhh, but then we are back to the famous "what to do?"

I had a suggestion in the last post, but no responses. Apparently it was thought to be too politically unreasonable. Aren't you tired of "politically unreasonable" yet?

4/19/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

The Foreign Affairs article reviewing the declassified information captured after April 9 is pretty interesting for providing a picture of how Saddam was convinced utterly that we would not invade, and that if we did, he could inflict enough casualties to cause a retreat.

This, dear readers, is functional madness, illustrating a mind with not even a basic grasp of the dynamics at play. It is representative of the problems involved here, and demonstrates the futility of mere negotiation with such actors. The neo-Islamic imagination undoubtedly regards the USSR as the Persians, the USA as Byzantium. The "persians" they "conquered;" the initial gigantic razzia against the Rumi was successful. The coincidence is sort of amazing, you have to admit, much better than Hegel's "I'm Plato, Napoleon's Alexander, our Age is Axial" for example.

The question that revolves in my mind lately is Why exactly does this particular culture seem so slothful, so parasitical? I read an observation by a soldier the other day. He was remarking how one problem with even the MNF-I at the checkpoints the soldier manned with them is that the Iraqis all expected to go home in 4 hours, were really reluctant to chase insurgents down, and generally sounded reactive, timid, and lethargic. Raphael Patai, in the Arab Mind, mentions the same characteristic, that manual labor is regarded as beneath the Arab male's dignity. Perhaps this accounts for the PR success of the socialist coup-engineers in the eyes of the West: of course the women went to work, and of course the feminist impulses of the socialist project Seemed to be operant, but in reality this is because they probably do most of the work anyway, and it's no great step, in the context of this kind of ethic, for a woman to be sent to an all-woman factory churning out dishes or widgets all day when the men are not only reluctant to but also indignant about it. When I was in Jamaica, the same culture pretty obviously ruled: women ran everything, and the men lurked and congregated and fraternized and generally seemed to do nothing. Of course, I was only there for a week.

On Michael Totten's site a commentor asserted that individual Muslims can surely be lovely people, and that is my experience. But when you get a bunch of em together, good God! It's like they can't stop f*cking things up.

But I'd like to stop disparaging this culture, so please, someone, anyone: give me a non-ideological reason to do so. Remind me of something; introduce me to something. Anything. Pretty please. Ash? Dementia?

Comments a propos of nothing.

4/19/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Dan--Only thing I can think of to help you out is maybe some of the Islamic poets. Dante got lots of his imagery for the Divine Comedy from Islamic sources. Colder an hell, for instance. You might search down that street, other than that, shit, I come up blank. Maybe a little astronomy long ago.

4/19/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

And Bosnia! Another formerly Ottoman province! So perhaps the break-up of Yugoslavia in the 1990s will stand in a similar place to the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913, eh? Let's hope not, but those Ottomans sure left us a royal mess to deal with. Amazing how much those peoples HATE eachother, given the famous Ottoman tolerance. What a bag o' cats.

4/19/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Mosques are pretty on the skyline?

4/19/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

I do want to mention something I read in 'Where God Was Born' by Feilor, a good book I am reading. The veil evidently was not a Moslem 'thing', but rather the 'height of fashion' in some of the cultures round about that they conquered. Particularily the local rich gals seemed to like the veil so when the muzzies got on top their gals took it up, so I am told by Feiler. Probably wished they hadn't by now. Am not sure the Koran calls for the veil, but rather, modesty,etc.--but then I don't really know.

4/19/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...


4/19/2006 02:53:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

But everything's just going s l o w e r this time because the Islamic societies are s l o w and our lameass politics compel s l o w n e s s; there's no supercompetent Germany to charge in and start laying down reality nice & clean like so the socialist Droogs even can see what's what through all silvery & wonderful.

My retarded stuttering anarcho-socialite law professor last eventide: "But it's not like they can DESTROY us or anything, jesus!"

Ah yes, let's just wait until they can destroy us. Then everything will be nice & fair & tidy for our pervert-fastidious souls. Ash advoctes this, I gather, being a frustrated country priestess of the doughfaced Flemish mouse variety.

Like these idiots who follow Buchanan's "let's withdraw unto our Beloved Continent & visit Divine Justice upon he that would dare to Smite Us." Ah right - there's a political will for killing 50 Persians when New York City's glazed with fallout, but no appetite for a democracy project. Now that is a mind that understands things. Socrates, move over.

I go back to an earlier suggestion I made after reading about Britain's nice gunboat diplomacy during a specific episode of the Great Game: let's just sink Iran's whole goddamn navy and then say "hey guys I guess maybe you should be making a bomb now, eh? Hurray! Hurray! The Yankees are coming!!"

Or something. More taunting. I wish we taunted. We'd be good taunters.

Hey the poets - right. Thanks bob.

And now I will shut up.

4/19/2006 02:53:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Another interesting thing from Feiler--he says during the time of the Helenization of much of Hebrew society before the Maccabees--those Jews that wanted to join the gymnasium went through a reverse circumcision--needle n' thread--ouch, I'd rather sit in the stands.

4/19/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Sorry, should be 50 million Persians.

50 million Persians. Ash! You want to kill 50 Million Persians!

Good god woman! Get a hold of yourself!

4/19/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...


I senses a riter breakin out.

4/19/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

dan, 2:27 PM

Habibian carpets
Sweet Turkish tea

4/19/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...


4/19/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

goat jerky, dates, heroin, pistachio nuts.

4/19/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Hash, poppies, slavery, ali baba and forty thieves, you ain't in Kansas any more, that's for sure, Dorthy.

4/19/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Aw yeah... keep em coming... reading poetry on a carpet stoned as a kite, gazing at the mosque...
no wonder they don't do no work, and think only of a harem of Virgins.

Quick Trish! I need some maternal blaming. I'm gettin all degenerated n sh*t.

4/19/2006 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Murder without remorse.

4/19/2006 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

dan, 2:53 PM

doughfaced = doe-faced? I least that's how I envision it.

Back to the Mongols and Baghdad, tough players, hey? Equal opportunity pacifiers, totally PC.

4/19/2006 03:10:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

be like water,
a fog that cannot be touched
a liquid that flows without form
a solid, hard as a rock
be like water

4/19/2006 03:14:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

dan, 3:09 PM

"I need some maternal blaming."

No! No! Noooooooo! Trepanning again!

I will play well with others, unless they are generals and such.

1258 - That was a very good year. The Khan lied and 'Abbasids died.

4/19/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Sting like a Butterfly,
Float like a Bee....

4/19/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Most Publicized Olympic Team, back in '72.

4/19/2006 03:26:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Don't know if you saw this.
Also, blogger will be down at 4pm pacific.
"Saturday, April 15, 2006

At 11:30 this morning, we experienced a system failure in one of our databases and some people were unable to create new entires on their blog during that time. As of now that database is back online and those users are again able to create new entries on their blog.

We are investigating what failed and will take measures to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Posted by Steve at 13:25 PST

4/19/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

bobalharb 2:55 PM,
Accidents made for excellent bobbers for fishing, however.

4/19/2006 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

"an entire party defines itself by rejecting the other; a kind of anti-matter to matter relationship."

You have just succiently described not merely the U.S. Democratic Party but the policy toward the U.S. of whole nations. Examples include Mexico, Canada, France, Germany, Belgium, and obstensively, Russia and the People's Republic of China.

4/19/2006 03:34:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


"Let me repeat what history teaches. History teaches." - Stein

I hope she did not actually believe that entirely.

4/19/2006 03:52:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen, 3:20 PM

Where did you get the French order of battle?

4/19/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

doug, 3:33 PM

Owwww! And I do mean that in the nicest possible way.

4/19/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

a note from Baghdad

" ... Last week our little and peaceful family was struck by the tragic loss of one of its members in a savage criminal act of assassination. The member we lost was my sister's husband who lived with their two little children in our house.
He was a brilliant young doctor with a whole future awaiting him, the couple were the top graduates in their branch of specialty. They had to travel abroad to get their degrees and the war started while they were there but months after Saddam fallen they decided to come back to help rebuild the country and serve their people.
We welcomed them with all love and care, we would sit and talk everyday about our hopes and dreams for a better future for the new generation and for their two little children. We realized that time is needed before they could have a secure and prosperous life and we were satisfied with the little we could make because we believed in the future.

He was not affiliated with any political party or movement and spent all his time working at the hospital or studying at home and he was dreaming of building a medical center for his specialty to serve the poor who cannot afford going to expensive private clinics.
We didn't know or anticipate that cruel times were waiting for a chance to assassinate the dream and kill the future.

It was the day he was celebrating the opening of a foundation that was going to offer essential services to the poor but the criminals were waiting for him to end his life with their evil bullets and to stab our family deep in the heart.

Grief and pain is killing me everyday as I hold my dear nephews, my sister is shocked beyond words while my parents are dead worried about the rest of us.
We are trying hard to close the wound, summon our patience and protect those still alive while we look forward to the future that we hope can bring peace for us. ... "

Iraq the Model Has the violence hit home
His thread title "Kill us, but you won't enslave us."

4/19/2006 04:00:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Doug--3:33--them heads is alrite, but they ain't Royal Coachmen.

4/19/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

jeez, after reading rat's post from ItM, I feel like a gringo jackass for all the Arab mocking. Tar the good with the bad, the first casualty is truth.

4/19/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

yeah, buddy, it provide a human link to what "unsecure" really means.

4/19/2006 05:00:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Desert Rat and Buddy,

Buddy, I knew your mockery was (is) directed at the worst aspects of that culture, and the culture of death that now afflicts it. And that needs and deserves mocking.


I appreciate your bringing that Iraq the Model posting, heart-breaking as it is, to my attention.

Jamie Irons

4/19/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen, 4:54 PM

I know where you're coming from, but...

"Within hours of his death Hammad was a fully accessorised “martyr”, complete with farewell video, posters and heroic slogans. Sitting on the few cushions remaining in the small hilltop house his mother Samya, 42, complied with photographers who clamoured for her to pose with a poster, but the house was unadorned with militant propaganda.

“He was a hero and I am proud of Samir but I have suffered from his loss,” she said of her eldest son."

Mr. Hammad was the mass murderer in last week's Tel Aviv bombing. Among the critically injured was a 16 year-old American, who lost a kidney and his spleen, among other tissue, it seems.

Unless we have to go big time nuclear, I trust we will do our best to segregate the wheat from the chaff.

I gotta say, life sucks some days.

4/19/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

As for me I not mocking the Arabs or the Persians--they've got as much upstairs as anyone. Just those aspects of their culture that are so bad, and have gotten worse lately, it seems, or at least capable of a lot more danger to everyone.

4/19/2006 05:21:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Jamie, Allen--yep--mockery is a weapon, and we need to use it. But, well, wheat from chaff--makes it difficult.

Life would be so easy if we could read minds and hearts along appearance. Could conceivably complicate some other things, though. Calling a Sci-Fi writer--or a poet.

4/19/2006 05:24:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

right, bobalharb--whenever I hear bastards mock Americans, I never take the sonsabitches seriously, so I never get annoyed with the low-life rotten scumbag louts.

4/19/2006 05:31:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Santiago, Chole, 1981.

After leaving Rio on a MAC flight my buddy and I arrived in Santiago.
A drive in the Air Force van brought us to the Hotel with the flight crew.
After checking in, we headed out in the night, to see just what was up. After leaving Rio, we thought the party would never stop.

On every street corner were two uniformed Soldiers each wearing brown leather LBE were well armed, one with a French MAS-38, the other with an UZI.
On every other corner the pair of soldiers had a german shepard dog.

Santiago was kind of a scary place for a young GI that hadn't shaved in 10 days, but we made it back to the Hotel, without incident, except for the evil eye from Chilian Security.

It was very secure, though, that's for sure. No random acts of violence with General Pinochet and his type in charge.
And Chile was able to make the transition to democracy.

4/19/2006 05:33:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

The man who says he sat in judgment on murdered hostage Kenneth Bigley:

Louia Sakka, a Syrian associate of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the organisation's leader in Iraq, maintains that he presided over a mock trial of Mr Bigley shortly before the 62-year-old was beheaded.

He was arrested after a later explosion ripped through the bomb factory he had constructed inside an apartment overlooking the Mediterranean at the resort of Antalya, where he was planning to attack an Israeli cruise liner.

Prosecutors in Istanbul say he was a member of a group that beheaded a Turkish truck driver in Iraq, while Jordanian authorities suspect he was involved in a plot to bomb hotels and tourist sites around Amman on New Year's Eve 1999.

Sakka admits that he was intending to attack the cruise liner but denies any role in the Istanbul attacks.

Louia Sakka

4/19/2006 05:39:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

My Swedish grandfather was a monarchist--never met the man as he died in 44 and I was born in 46--but my good Swedish aunt used to say--'Bob, papa always used to say vat ve need iis a goood king'--and a good king can do a 'lot of well'--King Juan Carlos of Spain--transitioned them out of spanish fascism to the modern world--albeit a lot of folks might not have liked the results of the last election there.

4/19/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

But those folk ain't Spanish, or if they are, they were in the minority.
There are always two choices
War or Retreat
The Spanish chose to retreat, for a while
The Mohammedan Wars are not yet over, Spain will be back, 'fore it's all over.
The US will get it's choice as well, before these Mohammedan Wars are over, War or Retreat?

4/19/2006 05:49:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Another mud-fest or two like the last couple of elections, and I'm gonna go with your aunt on that.

4/19/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Buddy--you might want to go with my grandfather, not my aunt. He was the monarchist, she the Eisenhower Republican--still have 'I Like Ike' buttons in my drawer.

4/19/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

yessir--our last old-timey president, that Ike.

4/19/2006 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Lest we lose sight of the nature of the foe in our earnest attempt at decency:

"Relations between the west and the hardline Iranian regime are set to worsen after a Tehran-based group claimed yesterday it was trying to recruit Iranians and other Muslims in Britain to carry out suicide bombings against Israel.

The Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign, which claims to be independent but has the backing of the regime, said it is targeting potential recruits in Britain because of the relative ease with which UK passport-holders can enter Israel. ...

Mohammad Samadi, a spokesman for the group, told the Guardian that striking at Israel was the priority of his recruitment drive. "The first target is

Israel. For us, that is the battlefield," he said. "All the Jews are targets, whether military or civilian. It's our land and they are in the wrong place. It's their duty to pay attention to safety of their own families and move them away from the battlefield," he said."

Mr. Blair addressed this threat in the Parliament, today. I recall he gave the number of potential mass murderers as 40,000. He also appeared to claim that the US and Britian were equally well targets.

4/19/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

For one of the most objective and informative studies on what faces us all, see, (It takes awhile to load, but is of deceptively short duration.)

Y.A.A.F.M. - Muslims

It was free for me.

4/19/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

The al-Qaida fighter shaped by demagogues and plastic surgeons:

Of all the fearsome and unfathomable figures who have waged jihad for al-Qaida, Louia Sakka has emerged as one of the most perplexing.

While he denies any role in the Istanbul bombings, Sakka makes no attempt to conceal the blood on his hands. Appearing in court in Istanbul last month he refused to stand before the judge. "Why should I?" he shouted. "I have fought the jihad. I have killed Americans!"

Sakka, 33, who has a Turkish grandfather and speaks Turkish, is thought to have helped train would-be terrorists at a camp for Turkish mujahideen on the Afghan-Pakistan border. He says he met Osama bin Laden, and it appears likely that he would have come into contact with the man who would mastermind the Istanbul attacks, Habib Akdas, a Turkish veteran of the Afghan jihad.

His main role in the Istanbul attacks, according to prosecutors, was to provide $160,000 to allow Akdas and others to rent safe houses and a workshop, buy the material and components needed to build four massive bombs, and then buy the small trucks that would carry them to their targets.

Others recruited the bombers. Mesut Cabuk, 29, a Kurd from the eastern city of Bingol who had spent time in Pakistan and Afghanistan, targeted the Beth Israel synagogue in the north of the city.

Sakka initially admitted financing the Istanbul attacks, but has since withdrawn his confession. His lawyer says he made that admission after Turkish police threatened to hand him over to US authorities. "He knew that if the Americans got him he could end up in a Jordanian prison where he could be cut into little pieces," Mr Karahan said.

Al-Qaida Fighter

4/19/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Lest we forget the quality of America's homegrown chaff (scumbags, punks, troglodytes ?), go to Michelle Malkin's site.


4/19/2006 07:03:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Since it is kind of a lazy afternoon, could someone instruct me as to how to paste a link to an article, or whatever the procedure is called. I am a little older and not versed in using the computor. I am using my daughter's computor and she is not here. Once in a while I would like to direct folks to something I find interesting but don't know how to do it. If you could help me, make it really simple. It is not true that you can't teach an old dog a new trick, it just has to be a really simple trick. Thanks.

4/19/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Bruce Lee was the second most famous man in the world, after Muhammad Ali.

(As measured by posters hung up in every little hostel, bar, tea shop, dance house and service station on earth, averaging all continents.)

4/19/2006 07:37:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

bobalharb, say you wanted to post a link to the Michelle Malkin site from Allen above. I can't just type the code or it will reproduce a link, so I'll go thru it like this: Say you want to say "Go to this link, please."

what you do is type:

< then a then leave a space then h then r then e then f then = then " then then " then > then put your word or phrase that you want to be blue then < then / then a then >

and that's it!

4/19/2006 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger trangbang68 said...

A plus from the middle easterners-Lamb eaten with cumcumber dressing.There was a time I would have said blond Lebanese hash,but no,no,no,I don't smoke it no more...I like the big Palistinian cat that runs the convenience store in my neighborhood.He's a good guy and probably not a madman.
The revolt of the generals,DNC obstructionism,etc reminded me of a story concerning DL Moody,the great 19th century evangelist.A critic said he was going about his gospel work all wrong.Moody asked the critic how he was doing it.The critic replied that he wasn't doing it;to which Moody replied"Well I'd rather do it the way I am,than the way you're not!"

4/19/2006 07:45:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Thanks, I will try that tomorrow. I go to bed about the time of our President. Night.

4/19/2006 07:47:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen, 7:38 PM

Thanks for the info on linking. I'll try it later.

4/19/2006 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Buddy sez:

what you do is type:

< then a then leave a space then h then r then e then f then = then " then then " then > then put your word or phrase that you want to be blue then < then / then a then >

and that's it!

7:38 PM

You do not!


You find a link that works, you Cut'n'Paste it out into your word processor w/ Display Codes

It will look like this:

Louia Sakka

If you select the Link above and View Source, it should look something like:

(a href=",,1757202,00.html" rel="nofollow")Louia Sakka(/a)

Except the ( and ) should be < and >.

And then you just cut your Quotes into the Part that Displays in the Link (Louia Sakka) you have copied;

And you cut and paste the Link itself, which you Copy out of your Browser Location: like ""

Then Cut'n'Paste the whole mess out of your word processor into the Blogger post pane.

Then use the Preview button to make sure you didn't delete an extra character or something.

Sounds complicated? It's the way to go.

4/19/2006 07:55:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Now he's got TWO ways to f up!

4/19/2006 08:01:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...


My best advice to him, if he EVER gets it right, just save that one on the Desktop forever!

That's what I try to do. And it's still hard.

4/19/2006 08:15:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

yeh--me and the 8 track sort of peaked together.

4/19/2006 08:17:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

We got one of those new DVD-tapers that can tape TV shows ... I haven't been able to control my TV since. The channel changes every 15 seconds, nothing I can do about it.

I see a lot more shows these days that I never knew existed, but I used to like watching the whole ball game, instead of 15 seconds here and there every ten minutes or so.

4/19/2006 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger Mike H. said...

[a href="http://address here"]what you want to lable[/a] then change all the brackets to the corresponding greater than and less than signs.

4/19/2006 08:24:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

That does seem like it would break up the flow a little bit but what the hey it's progress. and you can always catch the score out of the paper the next day.

4/19/2006 08:27:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...,1518,411903,00.html

Maybe the best thing produce really IS heroin?

(Couldn't follow that link advice guys - sorry.)

4/19/2006 08:32:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

4/19/2006 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Y'know I never put much credence into this creeping Eurabia theme rippling up through the ground opening beneath us all, but then, in honor of Russian Orthodox Easter this weekend and the worst girl I ever dated, who was this hateful little pixie from Moscow, it occurred to me: if an apostate told me that Russian Orthodox immigrants - who apparently practice a sort of Pentecostal version of Russian Orthodoxy, tonewise - really were moving here in silence, en masse, with the sincere intention of taking over, I think that, actually, I'd probably believe them. Their religiosity and their distance from American society, almost their alienation, either causes or is the effect of this profound bounded feeling, and it keeps them together and introverted in this way that makes them conspicuously claustrophobic and irritable. It was interesting to go with the Russian-from-Russia choir to the Serbian-Serbian Orthodox Church, St. Sava, and then watch all the non-interaction between the nationalities during the obligatory Slavic smorgasbord in the cold, humid church basement. And I got to watch from the perspective of the wallflower-nation. It was damn weird. I'm not that gregarious a guy, and even I wanted to rush out to greet the Serbs, who (I would later discover) were much more comfortable as they were on their home turf, in the belly of their National Church. And they'd stare at eachother like 8th grade assassins - like insecure to the point of acute hostility, If you can imagine that. And now that I'm remembering the evil look my little girlfriend would send out death with - man I can't stop laughing. I'm obviously exaggerating, but.

And then it occurred to me: I've never been to a mosque, and I actually don't even know where one is, but I have noticed over the past couple years a lot more hijab than I've ever seen here, in Ohio, before. Ever.

And those thoughts, together, my friends, produce an interesting feeling.

4/19/2006 08:54:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Those aren't Muslim girls:
Those are gals practicing for the inevitable hordes of RoPieceniks
(you got your head-piece, and it used to be connected to...) once it has become the law of the land to welcome unlimited numbers of these folks 'cause:
"They'll do the religious practices Americans aren't willing to do."

4/19/2006 09:38:00 PM  
Blogger Utopia Parkway said...

<a href="">The Belmont Club</a>

Paste the URL into the href="" block. Type the text you want to show as clickable before the closing </a>. Use the preview to see it and click the link to make sure it works before clicking publish (unlike all the other bad spellers here). If you want to be bold use the View Source menu item in your web browser to see it in all its glory.

<i>This is italic<\i>

<b>This is BOLD<\b>

4/19/2006 09:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

copy Utopia's link example into notepad and save it to your desktop, (make a copy in case in gets messed up?)

Then you can open that file whenever you want, and just paste the URL that you copy from your address bar in between the quotes where
"" is now

and then type "LINK" or whatever name you want where
"The Belmont Club"
is, and you're done.

Then you copy the result and paste it at the top or bottom of your comment.

If you try all the advice above, and it still doesn't work, fear not:
We'll give you an "A" for effort

4/19/2006 10:32:00 PM  
Blogger sam said...

The Great Conservative Crackup:

To prove your conservative bona fides these days, you have to begin by denouncing conservatism. To the delight of many liberals, a flurry of conservative writers and think-tankers at places like the Cato Institute and the Nixon Center are doing just that, condemning George W. Bush for being, among other things, a "redistribution Republican" (George F. Will), a "socialist" (Andrew Sullivan), and an "impostor" (Bruce Bartlett). Now add Jeffrey Hart to the list of aggrieved accusers.

A Burkean conservative, Jeffrey Hart has weighed in primarily on cultural issues, lamenting what he sees as the corruption of American arts and letters. But like NR founder William F. Buckley Jr. ("insurrectionists in Iraq can't be defeated by any means that we would consent to use"), he is also a critic of the Iraq war.

Hart indulges in wistful notions of what might have been, but Bush is not the betrayer of Reagan and the conservative movement. He is its purest expression.

To its credit, National Review's older generation is recognizing what happens when utopia is in power. Buckley, gracious and inquisitive, has mellowed over the years and has little in common with the toadies serving Bush.

Conservative Crackup

4/19/2006 10:33:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Utopia's Italic example has the slash ( / ) going the
wrong way ( \ )
nobody's perfect

4/19/2006 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buddy, 7:38

Then a then?
leave a space?

Spend a lot time in your own company out there in texas, do ya?

4/20/2006 02:35:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

Wonder what this guy knew about the American market for these babies? Is there an Iran connection, somewhere?

antiaircraft, shoulder-fired missiles

"Chinese man admits plot to import missiles to US"

4/20/2006 03:57:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

buddy larsen

This report will not be well accepted by Mr. Slash/Dementia or Mr. Cedarford.

What can those Mexicans huddling and queuing at the border be thinking? Don’t they realize the perfection of the Mexican and EU models? What opiate drives the proletariat to servitude? Sorry, I may have stepped on someone else’s lines there.

"Alternative investments pay off for the very rich"

4/20/2006 04:13:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

The anti-aircraft missile deal is getting more interesting by minute.

Look at the last sentence in the story, "North Korean-made counterfeit $100 bills." That would be the "axis of evil" Norrh Korea. An act of war?

Chinese military linked to missile smuggling
By Bill Gertz
April 20, 2006

4/20/2006 04:39:00 AM  
Blogger Charles said...

I posted a Free Republic a link that wretchard referred to a couple days ago in oman who had a link to poster that displayed visually the relationship between peak oil and political events.

4/20/2006 06:30:00 AM  
Blogger Charles said...

A huge drop (60%)in the number of attacks on Iraqi infrastructure in the last three months was just reported.

4/20/2006 06:32:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

From 2001 re: US technologies sold to China, reporting by CNN

" ... WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Chinese fighter jets sent to intercept recent U.S. reconnaissance flights near China have been carrying air-to-air missiles sold to China by Israel, much to the annoyance of some U.S. defense officials.

The Chinese F-8 fighters captured on videotapes released by the Pentagon are carrying Israeli made Python III air-to-air missiles capable of blasting a plane out of the sky with the squeeze of a finger, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

"Generally speaking, we are not in favor of such capable weapons systems being proliferated to a variety of nations around the world," Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. Craig Quigley told reporters Tuesday. ... '

"... said "there has not been any violation here," perhaps in part because the sale of the missiles was made in the late 1970s, he said.

The official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named, said "We don't particularly like going up against hardware made by Israel."

"Here we are bending over backward to give Israel a qualitative edge and they are selling hardware to our adversaries," the somewhat exasperated defense official said.

Referring to the April 1 incident involving a collision between a Chinese fighter jet and a U.S. Navy EP-3 surveillance plane, the Defense Department official said that the decades-old Israeli missiles "would have worked just fine" had the second Chinese fighter been given the order to shoot down the U.S. plane with its crew of 24. ... "

There are friends, there are allies and there are those that need to be watched constantly, to be sure they do not harm US interests in pursuit of their own.

From of CNN.

4/20/2006 06:46:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Then from the early '90's we have Patriot missle technologies that may have been sold to China, from Israel

The Israeli deny any such sale took place, but then Sec of Der Cheney seems to have disagreed.
" ... Defense Secretary Dick Cheney pressed Defense Minister Moshe Arens of Israel today to explain United States intelligence reports that Israel had illegally shared American-made Patriot missile technology with China, senior Pentagon officials said. In a 30-minute meeting at the Pentagon, Mr. Cheney presented Mr. Arens with intelligence indicating that Jerusalem had shared the technology in violation of United States-Israeli agreements that ban such sales. ... "

A short rundown of the NY Times coverage can be seen here, a synopsis of NY Times coverage of the '90's accusations.

4/20/2006 07:06:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

And as recently as last year
" ... Friday, April 15, 2005

US bars Israel from aircraft project over China drones row

JERUSALEM: The United States has barred Israel’s defence industry from any involvement in a project to develop a combat aircraft amid a row over the upgrading of Chinese drones, the Maariv daily said Thursday.

The Americans have also recently frozen the transfer of sophisticated technological equipment to Israel, according to the paper which quoted high-level sources travelling with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on his visit to the United States this week. ... "

This from the daily Times the voice of a new Pakistan.

4/20/2006 07:16:00 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

"My dear Krupp, this is no time to be making a profit."

4/20/2006 07:42:00 AM  
Blogger Rob said...

Actually, the beginnings of WWI have been somewhat revised over the last decade or so as, believe it or not, new information continues to come to light.

Basically, the Kaiser was a pacifist and was only goaded into belligerance by the assassination of his friend, the Duke. Left to his own deivces, he would probably not have gone to war.

Moltke, however, believed very strongly that Germany was declining relative to Russia and that they had only a short time to go to war with Russia before Russia became too powerful for them to beat.

Austria-Hungary wanted a completely different war. They wanted to beat the crap out of the Serbs and take some of their territory. They hoped that Germany would keep Russia at bay while they did so. That didn't work out and they never really got the war they wanted.

A very good book, Europe's Last Summer : Who Started the Great War in 1914? by Fromkin describes a lot of the new historical thinking on the subject.

4/20/2006 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

The interesting thing, then as now, rob, is you do not always get the War you want, or plan for.

Seems the other side keeps messing up the plan.

4/20/2006 08:27:00 AM  
Blogger Karridine said...

I just met with some expat Iranians (for yearly elections) and when I asked "What's the news?" they responded with "Bush is getting ready to NUKE Iran!" they said, smiling brightly.

They went on to explain that Iran is an anomaly in the Muslim world, a West-loving, freedom-and-peace loving populace with a harsh, Islamic government, pretty much the opposite (they said) to Pakistan!

"So Bush hits Iran hard, and the people will arise and take it from there!"

We'll see...

(Thanks for the heads up about Blogger... I'm still working on getting access to the visible-but-unpostable

4/20/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Do you take seriously the political analysis of the NYT and CNN? Just asking. Don't believe everything you read in the funny papers.

4/20/2006 09:11:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Thanks for the heads-up about the sorry state of Chinese air defense. Imagine defending their so-called air space with antiquated forty year-old Israeli weaponry. Good to know. Things are looking up.

Oh, and the timing of the transfer is interesting as well. You have heard of Détente?

For something more contemporary and probably much more meaningful, see “Russia will deliver air defense systems to Iran - top general” -

We will all hope that this Russian technology is not nearly as effective as that we’ve come across elsewhere. Quagmire.

4/20/2006 09:38:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

Looking again, if I may, to what happens to the neighborhood when Palestinian and other “moderate” practitioners of the RoP are invited in:

Wednesday, April 19, 2006 Little Green Footballs
“Florida College Invites Rushdie, Muslim Students Seethe”

Believe it or not, there has also been talk of, and you really will not believe this, VIOLENCE…Shocking, just shocking.

4/20/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

If you want, allen, we could discuss the last Chinese weapons sale, of UAV technologies, that Israel was in the process of finalizing when US outrage scuttled the deal.
It was within the last year.

Hopefully, you are right, Russian technology will continue to lag US, remaining ineffective.

That is why Israeli sales to China, Iran's main trading partner are so important to stop, from a US perspective.
We would not want US troops facing Israeli technologies, again.
Would we?

4/20/2006 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

Yeah rob seems to me you can tell from even Tuchman's book that Germany clearly started the war based on von Schlieffen/Moltke paranoia, essentially. They had that friggin plan in 1906. (Darn I forget & will not learn how to bold.) And two Balkan Wars? C'mon. But the Kaiser a pacifist you say? I thought he seemed a bit unstable, overall, myself. Is your source Fromkin or are there other new (non-Keegan) sources?

4/20/2006 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

Karridine said...

"I just met with some expat Iranians.. ..They went on to explain that Iran is an anomaly in the Muslim world, a West-loving, freedom-and-peace loving populace... .."So Bush hits Iran hard, and the people will arise and take it from there!" We'll see..."

I heard a similar yarn in 1986, e.g. "After Khomeini dies, the Iranian people will rise up against the theocracy". This stuff is crap. The mullahs are unpopular with the educated Irans (urban professionals) who represent a small minority (many of them have Internet access). However the uneducated Iranians, peasants, etc. are highly religious and strongly support the theocracy. The Iranian thing will not take care of itself anytime soon. We will have to eventually intervene.

4/20/2006 09:52:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Then again, allen, if Iran is a terrorist State, which Mr Bush agrees it is.
And the Russians are assisting the Iranians, which is evident.
Are not the Russians aiding and abetting terrorists?

Does not the Bush Doctrine of '02 declare that those that aid terrorists are to be treated as terrorists?

Pay any price, bear any burden.

4/20/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

A little more info on the state of mind of the Iranian people would sure be helpful. It's been a black hole since Cyrus the Great.

I have read that Alexander knew he had 'em before his first great victory at the river Issus, because even though they had the numbers 2 or 3 to 1 (back when that was *the* metric), they still drew up on the far side of the river, with their best soldiers having chosen the area with the best natural defense. Of course that was some years ago.

4/20/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Point being that though the Persians were fighting an invader, on their own siol, the individual soldier was still not motivated--most likely due to the complete power and control of the State.

Oriental Fatalism vs Western Dynamism. Maybe that element is still extant. Would help account for the saber-rattling.

4/20/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Mr al Jaafari has announced that he will permit the UIA to have another vote for it's PM candidate.
The last vote, I believe was 32 to 31 for Mr al-Jaafari.
Unless Mr al-Sadr's bloc switches, the vote should remain the same. As Mr al-Sadr's bloc was of 32 representitives, as I recall.

Mr Talabani said the Parliment would except the UIA's choice.
Perhaps he knows it will be a different face, perhaps he only has hope it will be.
If the UIA reaffirms Mr al-Jaafari as it's choice....

4/20/2006 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

I'd say it still exists, but as to the sabres, everyone's is rattling, not just the Iranian swords.

US & Israeli statements of unacceptability and all options open are not muted mutterings.

US troops, garrisoned across two borders, are not quiet as church mice.

Iran's Armada of 500 ships, practicing shipping raids in the past few weeks, as well as multiple missle tests and uranium enrichment announcements add to the clanging of scabbards.

There have been opportunities lost, in regards Iran, that cannot be retrieved.
But as to the best course forward.

Bang the drum & watch your backyard

4/20/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

the editorial "your" not your's personally, buddy.

4/20/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger vogz said...

Bush is criticized for being anti-intellectual? Even if the point is conceded, given that intellectuals have argubaly been responsible for some of the most destructive ideas in history (Marxism being the best example), why is that necessarily a bad thing?

4/20/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat, 9:51 AM


The reason the sale didn't go through is simpler and less sinister. Every sale of US funded or sponsored technology by Israel to anyone, anywhere, must pass through a host of US government bureaucracies for approval. This sale was disapproved, end of story. (I happen to think that Israel’s mere contemplation of such a transfer was incredibly impolitic and stupid) I would also note that within the US itself, transfers of “sensitive” technology to other countries must pass muster, the failure of which was one of the much publicized complaints against Mr. Clinton’s administration.

Israel could, I suppose, easily surreptitiously sell vital technology, but that would be extremely foolish, since the country is almost entirely dependent on America's strategic largesse. By all means, if you have some official report, wherein, the government of the United States levels charges of either the sale or attempted sale or transfer of contraband by Israel, I would very much like to have it referenced.

The fact that the NYT or any number of MSM entities engage in guilt by association or unattributed character assassination does not surprise me. Also, I do not take at face value every accusation made by members of Congress, such as Ms. McKinney, with reference to what may or may not be happening with Israel. I am surprised that you would so easily buy into it, though.

If Israel were such a fair weather partner, I wonder why it continues to receive enormous amounts of strategic "goods" for pre-positioning.

4/20/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

Russia - terrorist state

Broadly speaking, how could it be otherwise, from strictly an American point of view?

Obviously, the Russians hold the Iranians in high regard and do not share the US policy formulation. Mr. Putin's soul may not be quite as pure as Mr. Bush announced or, otherwise, Mr. Bush's clairvoyance was not up to snuff that day.

"Feelings, nothing more than feelings"

4/20/2006 11:12:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

“We would not want US troops facing Israeli technologies, again.
Would we?”

I purposefully let this statement pass. Those who choose to believe what you believe will; those who don’t won’t. It has ever been thus. I will not revisit the issues of Passover weekend.

To the degree that your positions on any topic have merit, in my opinion, I will support them fully. To the degree that I think them wanting, I will vigorously disagree. There will be some small subset of issues where I will think time too precious to engage in the circumnavigation of non-constructive logic.

May we now move on to considered discussion?

4/20/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

Better to try treating the Cold War as over and the new Russia not the Soviets than the alternative.

That characteristic public generosity is obviously developing along the lines of the familiar pattern, however.

The reason behind "racism" will presently re-dawn upon everyone, though shorn of its sloppy immoralities.

Or not.

But the Russkies... Let's just say the Soviets were not robot Martians banished to oblivion in 1991.

And concerning the East/West thing - and Russia, let no one convince you otherwise, is Eastern - I recall the advice Isocrates, advisor to Alexander's father Philip gave him: better to negotiate with the West (i.e. Greek colonies) and to use force in the East (i.e. Persia). "That is the long and the short of the matter."

But can we live with this all peacockery and impotence and nuclearity? Closed societies invite suspicion as the cannablize themselves and grow petulant. What a stupid political sentiment. What the hell - let's just nuke em from orbit.

4/20/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Reports from all sides have to be looked at and weighed, allen.

Israel is many things, to US.

I supported landing the 4th ID in Haifa, after Turkey turned US down, and driving to Baghdad from there.
Obviously that was not done, but if it had, the battlefield would be vastly different today.
Strategicly and tacticly.

The US bases no troops in Israel, predeployed equipment, there, is not needed by US, I'd surmise, as much as by Israel.
We fight a common foe and I'm not opposed to the alliance, I just take the Israelis realisticly, at what I percieve to be face value, their priorities are different than US.
Which is natural.
Israel is not US, nor we them.

4/20/2006 11:40:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

You agreed the Chinese were equipped with Israel designed air to air missles. Those same missles threaten our aircraft, which was forced down in China.

You belittled their effectivenss, but not the loss of US spy technologies on board the plane to the Chinese.

The pagen in me don't give a hoot about Passover, I didn't even know it was that time, still don't care.

The Israeli air to air missle designs were effective enough, in 2001, for US to lose the plane, if not the crew.

So your desire to not discuss it further, is understandable.

4/20/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

It goes back to the discussion, with eggplant I think, about "obsolete"

Those missle designs, though from the '70's, are still formidable.
Perhaps not against a F-22 pr F-35, but there were none of those in the skies over the China Sea, that day.

There is a pattern of reports, often denied, of Israeli Defense Industries, which in socialist Israel means the Israeli Government pushing the envelope in the high tech arms proliferation business.
While criminal wrong doing is always denied, penalties are sometimes paid by Israel.
Removal from the F-35 design work was, as I recall, a sanction of some sort.

4/20/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

This is a Zionist war we are fighting on behalf of Israel. We need to pull our troops out immediately and let the Zionists deal with it. Bush should have never agreed to the nonsense contained in the 'Clean Break' document in the first place. American blood for 'Erezt Israel?' Dual Occupations, and Three Wars ? Afganistan, Iraq and now Iran ? This is Madness, pure and simple. Even the rabid hawk Benjamin Netanyahu was not INSANE enough to go along with this program-'...a major unprovoked regional war in the Middle East.' This way lies MADNESS.

Eretz Israeli is logistically and strategically impossible. The Israelis can barely keep a lid on the opened air 'sardine can' prison known as Gaza, how is Eretz Israel even a remotely logical possibility ? We're dealing with insane dreamers and madmen on both sides who need to immediately be removed and placed in straightjackets. They are the ones who we have allowed to bring us to the brink of Armageddon.

Here is Eretz Israel:

This excerpt doesn't exist online to my knowledge. My apologies if it's too lengthy, but people really need to read this. Bamford is top notch.

As the ten brown leather chairs around the table filled, place cards identified each of the players. On the one side of Bush, who occupied the seat at the head of the table, was Vice President Dick Cheney, and on the other side sat Secretary of State Colin Powell. Opposite the President at the other end, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice acted as stage manager. " Condi will run these meetings," said Bush. " I'll be seeing all of you regularly, but I want you to debate things out here and then Condi will report to me."

Then Bush addressed the sole items on the agenda for his first high-level national security meeting. [Jan30.2001] The topics were...Israel and Iraq. From the very first moment, the Bush foreign policy would focus on three key objectives : Get rid of Saddam Hussein, end American involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and rearrange the dominoes in the Middle East. A key to the policy shift would be the concept of "preemption."

The blueprint from the new Bush policy had actually been drawn up five years earlier by three of his top national security advisors. Soon to be appointed to senior administration positions, they were Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser. ...the plan was originally intended not for Bush but for another world leader, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

At the time, the three officials were out of government and working for conservative pro-Israeli think tanks. ...In a very unusual move, the former--- and future---senior American officials were acting as a sort of American privy council to the new Israeli prime minister.

A key part of the plan was to get the United States to pull out of peace negotiations and simply let Israel take care of the Palestinians as it saw fit. "Israel," said the report, "can manage it's own affairs. Such self-reliance will grant Israel greater freedom of action and remove a significant lever of pressure used against it in the past."

But the centerpiece of their recommendations was the removal of Saddam Hussein as the first step in remaking the Middle East into a region friendly, instead of hostile, to Israel. [The] plan [was entitled] " A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm."

"...Whoever inherits Iraq," they wrote, "dominates the entire Levant strategically." Then they suggested that Syria would be the next country to be invaded.

This would be done, they recommended to Netanyahu, "by reestablishing the principle of preemption" and by "rolling back" it's Arab neighbors. From then on, the principle would be to strike first and expand, a dangerous and provocative change in philosophy. They recommended launching a major unprovoked regional war in the Middle East, attacking Lebanon and Syria and ousting Iraq's Saddam Hussein. Then, to gain the support of the American government and public, a phony pretext would be used as the reason for the original invasion.

The recommendation of Feith, Perle and Wurmser was for Israel to once again invade Lebanon with air strikes. But this time, to counter potentially hostile reactions from the American government and public, they suggested using a pretext. They would claim that the purpose of the invasion was to halt " Syria's drug money and counterfeiting infrastructure" located there. They were subjects in which Israel had virtually no interest, but they were ones, they said, "with which America can sympathize."

Another way to win American support for preemptive war against Syria, they suggested, was by "drawing attention to its weapons of mass destruction program." The claim would be that Israel's war was really all about protecting Americans from drugs, counterfeit bills and WMD---nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.

It was rather extraordinary for a trio of former, and potentially future, high-ranking American government officials to become advisors to a foreign government. More unsettling still was the fact that they were recommending acts of war in which Americans could be killed, and also ways to masquerade the true purpose of the attacks from the American public.

The Perle task force even supplied Netanyahu with some text for a television address, using the suggested pretext to justify the war. Years later, it would closely resemble speeches to justify their own Middle East war; Iraq would simply replace Syria and the United States would replace Israel...

The task force then suggested that Israel open a second front in it's expanding war, with a "focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq--an important Israeli strategic objective in it's own right--as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions."

Wisely, Netanyahu rejected the task force's plan. But now, with the election of a receptive George W. Bush, they dusted off their preemptive war strategy and began getting ready to put it to use.

The new Bush policy was an aggressive agenda for any president, but especially for someone who had previously shown little experience in international affairs. "We're going to correct the imbalances of the previous administration on the Mideast conflict...We're going to tilt it back toward Israel...Anybody here ever met [Ariel] Sharon?" [said Bush]  Only Colin Powell raised his hand.

Bush was going to reverse the Clinton policy, which was heavily weighted toward bringing the bloody conflict between Israel and the Palestinians to a peaceful conclusion. There would be no more U.S. interference; he would let Sharon resolve the dispute however he saw fit, with little or no regard for the situation of the Palestinians. The policy was exactly as recommended by the Perle task force's "Clean Break" report.

"I'm not going to go by past reputations when it comes to Sharon," Bush told his newly gathered national security team. "I'm going to take him at face value. We'll work a relationship based on how things go." Then he had mentioned a trip he had taken with the Republican Jewish Coalition to Israel. "We flew over the Palestinian camps. Looked real bad down there," he said with a frown. Then he said it was time to end America's efforts in the region. " I don't see much we can do over there at this point," he said.

Colin Powell, Secretary Of State for only a few days, was taken by surprise. The idea that such a complex problem, in which America had long been heavily involved, could simply be brushed away with the sweep of a hand made little sense. Fearing Israeli led aggression, he quickly objected.

"He stressed that a pullback by the United States would unleash Sharon and the Israeli army," recalled Paul O'Neill, who had been sworn in as Secretary of the Treasury by Bush only hours before and was seated at the table. Powell told Bush," The consequences of that could be dire, especially for the Palestinians." But Bush just shrugged. "Sometimes a show of strength by one side can really clarify things," he said. " Powell seemed startled," said O'Neill.


Bamford, James
A Pretext For War : 9/11, Iraq and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies
New York : Doubleday, 2004. Pgs 261-266

4/20/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

" Powell seemed startled "

Bet he was.

4/20/2006 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Sonambulist--It isn't that complicated--the Jews got clobbered in Europe--they got their homeland back--mostly a swamp until they returned--the Moslems can't think of a thing to do other than hate their new neighbor--it all comes from that simple fact.

4/20/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

The unarmed, prop-driven EP-3E forced down by the Chinese was damaged in a mid-air collision with a Chinese fighter.

A number of stories can be found referencing this incident. Some take your point of view. If you have only read the stories covered by Free Republic, Ummah Forum, Giwersworld, and Abovetopsecret (although, this site doesn’t tell us how it came to such an elevated status – who are the moles?) try that of; titled modestly enough, “Pentagon lying about Israeli missile sales to China.” – Jon Dougherty, 10 April 2001.

I am not enamored of joint US-Israeli ventures, government or private sector, leading to the transfer of some of the technologies you name. That is another issue entirely from the one you suggest.

4/20/2006 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

It had been damaged, true, but it was forced down by the threat of those missles.

I suggested it would be bad for US troops to face more Israeli designs obtained through transfers to the Chinese and the further proliferation that would follow.

The guilty flee, even when no one pursues

4/20/2006 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

The Sunday Times of London, quoting unnamed Iranian officials, reported Iran had 40,000 trained suicide bombers prepared to strike western targets if Iran is attacked.

Do you know what's going to happen if we go to war with Iran ? Do you realize what will happen ? Bush will use it as an excuse to impose MARTIAL LAW in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Do you want to live in a POLICE STATE ? Is that what you people want ? POLICE STATE for Eretz Israel ?

Go find some people who survived the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet in Chile, who came to power in a CIA backed coup held on, ironically enough, Sept 11, 1973, and ask them how freakin fun it was to live in a military dictatorship.

4/20/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger skipsailing said...

Somnabulist, just a couple of things.

First, may I suggest decaf?

next, why should we believe "unnamed Iranian sources"? Such attribution has become a red flag here in the states. it's a favorite of WAPO and does nothing for their credibility.

40,000? Can you imagine of these "unnamed Iranian sources" said "Oh we are completely vulnerable to an American attack. We are essentially incapable of responding effectively"?

Please it's a war of words we're in now. This quote is the Iranian version of the now famous "mother of all battles" speech we've come to admire and respect.

next, how do you KNOW that martial law is the plan? Whence this special insight?

4/20/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

40,000 suicide bombers hanging over your head don't sound so great, either, somnabulist.

4/20/2006 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


"First, may I suggest decaf?"

Black helicopters, piloted by the nefarious Elders of Zion.

4/20/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

desert rat,

It's the Martian technology that keeps me up at night...probably sold to them from American designs stolen by Richard Perle (Sandy Berger?!!)

4/20/2006 01:43:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

Elders of Zion

Nice try. Did I mention the word JEW anywhere ? No. I said Zionist. Not Jew. Not the same thing.

4/20/2006 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

I have to leave now for more treppaning.

I have heard that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is very popular in the ME. Sometimes the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

4/20/2006 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

I know the story of Alexander, buddy.
I know of the Mongols
The Ottomans were Turks, for the most part.

When last did the Persians march to Europe? Beyond Greece?

It seems to me, the Persians are always attacked, from East and West. They play the victim well, I bet they're tired of the role.

They believe there is a form of parody, 'tween the sides. They know we won't wheel out the Big Guns.
But they are unafraid to fire theirs, in selfdefense.
We have legitimized preemptive selfdefense, just recently.

Good for the Goose...

4/20/2006 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

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4/20/2006 01:50:00 PM  
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4/20/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


Elders of Zion = Zionists

There are about 5 million of them in Israel, as you would no doubt agree. You have made a distinction without a difference.

This could be my lucky day. Somnabulist, will you repudiate anyone or any organization responsible for sending a bomb-laden or otherwise armed assailant into Israel to kill civilians. In short, will you unequivically call, using just one word, such an act "terrorism?"

Get back to you later.

4/20/2006 01:56:00 PM  
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4/20/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Another thing, emotion is understandable since the nation is after all at war.

The long Bamford quote points to this war as having been started by a neocon conspiracy. So, that would mean that the proximate cause, that is 911 (the thing we can have no more of), was part of that neocon conspiracy?

This is rather world-shaking, especially in view of the author using quotes from the people named to have been in the meeting.

So, there's a record of this meeting, with minutes, then? If not how could Bamford be using "quotes"?

Personally, rather than read someone else's imputed "quotes", I'd prefer an author just be honest, and say that he "imagines" that some meeting like this might've happened, and he "bets" that it went something like so-and-so.

4/20/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger skipsailing said...

yeah, maybe that's it. As age creeps up on me I'm not feeling that urge to be "freakin OUTRAGED" as much as I used to.

still Somnambulist, where's the beef here? Why should we conclude that this all about a power grab by Bush & Co? Is it because you said so and your "freakin outraged" or what?

Oh and you might consider laying off that red bull stuff too.

4/20/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

The coolest trick I ever heard of Bruce Lee being able to perform was to break a one inch board, hanging from a string.

Imagine the acceleration / kinetic energy / focus you need to break the board when the only thing holding it is its own, tiny inertia.

That and kicking a tree until the tree moves.

Who would win in a fight between Ali and Bruce Lee, if there were no rules?

4/20/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Ali'd kill him. You know that. HOW CAN YOU ASK such a question????????

4/20/2006 02:06:00 PM  
Blogger Tony said...


It used to be a good question, after a few hours of, you know, relaxing.

Besides, Ali didn't do so well against that Japanese guy who kept kicking him in the legs.

Even as Cassius Clay, Ali had a 90 or 100 pound advantage, so I guess I'll have to surrender to the convention wisdom.

Actually, I'd rather talk about anything than this Jewish conspiracy bullshit.

4/20/2006 02:12:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Tony, me too, wot a loada crap, arguing Kitty Kelly literature.

"Pass the friggin' cocaine" screamed George Bush to his harried mother Barbara, that day at Camp David at precisely 2:02 PM on Tuesday October 3, 2002."

I was only funnin' with the CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!

4/20/2006 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...


There are about 5 million of them in Israel, as you would no doubt agree. You have made a distinction without a difference.

No. There is a difference. Zionists play the 'jew' card to obfuscate any legitimate debate over the issue of military Occupation. Not all Zionists are Jews and not all Jews are Zionist. One can tune into the 700 Club every night and look at an ugly and retarded Zionist. And guess what ? He's a freakin WASP.

This could be my lucky day. Somnabulist, will you repudiate anyone or any organization responsible for sending a bomb-laden or otherwise armed assailant into Israel to kill civilians. In short, will you unequivically call, using just one word, such an act "terrorism?"

If you have studied the phenomena of suicide bombing at any length, you will discover that the concept involves turning defeat into 'victory.'

Yes. Look. Only idiots resolve conflicts through violence. Wars solve nothing. They only breed more wars and more monsters. The human race has essentially been fighting the same war for 8,000 years. I'm not here to play 'your Zionist war of aggression is better than my Jihad.' I'll be honest with you Allen, because you've been very tolerant and nice. I'm here to get you people to change your minds. Tip the scales and get this traitorous fucker IMPEACHED. I don't think most conservatives realize the difference btwn the populist rightwing and the neofascists masquarading as populists who have hijacked the party and are selling our democracy down the river to make a buck.

4/20/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger exhelodrvr1 said...

"Bruce Lee being able to perform was to break a one inch board, hanging from a string."

He's overrated!! It would not be that hard to hang from a string and break a 1 inch board. As long as the string will support your weight>

4/20/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

About that James Bamford, buddy, you over state the case.
9-11 was not the fault of the neo-cons mentioned, Mr Bamford nowhere makes that case.

There may or may not have been a preconcieved Policy, that was available to implement, both prior to and concurrent with the attacks of 9-11.

But there certainly were Policy Options in dealing with the ME.

The need to remove Saddam was beyond the scope of the original Auth. for Use of Force, 14Sep01 ie: GWoT.
or another Authorization would not have been required.
Saddam and Iraq were not Central to the War on Terror, though Iraq may have become the Centerpiece of that War, after the fact.
Merely by our presence and energizing effect it had on the Iraqi Sunni whose Insurgency, was morphed into the War on Terror.

Where the ideas of the "Liberation and Democratization" Policy were developed and by whom are pertinent to further Policy discussions and decisions.

4/20/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger exhelodrvr1 said...

The P-3 had to land because of the damage. Flying to a non-PRC field was not a realistic option, whether or not the fighters had missiles.

4/20/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Tony 2:12 PM,
Would that be the 2000 or 2004 convention wisdom?
Whenever it was, I liked it when:
"He Played On Our Fears"
Sure got the insomniac guy here upset.
I don't sleep when I'm that frightened and agitated either.
But then I don't watch Freakin Charismatic Zionist, Jooo Luvin Christians every nite, either.

4/20/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Remember the "Cairo Conference" last November, I believe, where Iraqis decided that resistence to foreign occupation was legitimate.

US being the foreigners in question.

Perhaps aQ could fit that definition, as well.


4/20/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

That had not been my understanding of the incident. Though I claim no particular knowledge of it.

4/20/2006 02:46:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Where the ideas of the "Liberation and Democratization" Policy were developed and by whom are pertinent to further Policy discussions and decisions. "
Was just thinking of the deadly combination of that ambitious project "backed up" by a sensitive, compassionate, catch and release use of force in the liberation process.
Neither warmaking nor democratization get a fair chance with THOSE ROE's.

4/20/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

Wow, the world can look different when you don't have all the facts. Let's take a closer look.

From Somnambulist: The blueprint from the new Bush policy had actually been drawn up five years earlier by three of his top national security advisors. Soon to be appointed to senior administration positions, they were Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser. ...the plan was originally intended not for Bush but for another world leader, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Yes, here is paper from the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm. It was written in 1996.

Here is A Letter to President Clinton on Iraq, published by the Project for a New American Century, a neo-conservative think-tank.

Here is Rebuilding America's Defenses, which Karen Kwiatkowski describes like this:

I had seen it before just because it’s a document something we would see because it’s about views of a post-Cold War world and what we should do. This is the kind of thing that people in the Pentagon think about.

Didn’t think much of it until I saw the President’s national security strategy, his very first one that George Bush put out. Of course we do read that and it’s on the Web site, White House Web site. And when I read it not just me but lots of people saw almost word-for-word lifting of phrases and ideas and concepts from the Project for New American Century’s previous document ”Rebuilding America’s Defenses.”

So, on its face, the quote you present is inaccurate. Bush's foreign policy was lifted from Rebuilding America's Defenses, a paper published by Project for a New American Century. William Kristol is chairman of the Project, and Robert Kagan, Devon Gaffney Cross, Bruce P. Jackson and John R.
Bolton serve as directors. Gary Schmitt is executive director of the Project. The paper was written by Thomas Donnelly, who's, er, not a Zionist.

So, good ole' fashioned Americans fashioned Bush's foreign policy. Now, it may be true that some are Jewish, and may even be true that some ideas were borrowed from Israeli publications, but they were filtered through red-blooded Americans, and the arguments make sense on their face. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean the world is coming to an end.

Also, sure, plans were already in place to remove Saddam Hussein. I'll let you tell us what those plans were, how they were to be implemented, etc. There's a pretty significant detail here that's missing from your post.

4/20/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"40,000 suicide bombers hanging over your head don't sound so great, either, somnabulist. "
I like Savage's idea for when they gather together and march down the street:
A little gift from the Predator up above.
I STILL think we should have visited a little vengance from above on the folks running around the streets of Mosul while we were occupied in Falluja.

4/20/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

And in case you were wondering, yes, it's this John R. Bolton.

4/20/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

are selling our democracy down the river to make a buck

Oh brother! I don't suppose you have any actual facts-on-the-ground to support that statement. What somebody said or allegedly said is not a fact.

What social or political institutions have been created or "taken over" to achieve this end? What overt actions have these institutions taken to achieve this end?

If you can't answer any of these questions then put your balls on a table and hit them with a hammer. You deserve it.

4/20/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

Why, if we did stuff like that, why, folks would think there was a WAR on or somethin'

Remember I wanted to bomb the demonstrators in Warizistan, but NO.
The Mohammedans wouldn't have liked it, both those in the KSA and on the General President's Staff.

4/20/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

And in case you weren't curious enough, the Letter to President Clinton on Iraq, which urged the President to take decisive action to remove Saddam, was signed by these august Zionists:

Elliott Abrams
Richard L. Armitage
William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner
John Bolton
Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama
Robert Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol
Richard Perle
Peter W. Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld
William Schneider, Jr.
Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz
R. James Woolsey
Robert B. Zoellick

4/20/2006 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I nominate the Insomniac for a Pulitzer.
Anybody know for sure if he's a citizen?
Ya gotta be a Patriotic US Citizen to get those things.

4/20/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

Can I still be Zionist if I ain't Jooish?

I've been wanting the Israelis to line up the D9s on the Gaza border and not stop until there was a new sea wall.

4/20/2006 03:13:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

3:07 PM,
That's ridiculous!
They NEVER would have gotten as well organized as they are now if we had bombed them then.
Wouldn't have been fair, or prudent.
You don't want to create CHAOS do you?

4/20/2006 03:14:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

So, Somnambulist, your entire theory is rotten. Its central tenet, that Bush's foreign policy was originally written for Netanyahu, is false.

The centerpiece of our foreign policy is this:

At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible.

Wasting American geo-political capital on another Levant Charade was not something that fit into the plan.

4/20/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Too bad OUR Caterpillar guy killed himself.
He was a one man Army.
Remember that one?
(the armored caterpillar/disgruntled contractor guy)

4/20/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Blogger desert rat said...

damned sure do.

fear & loathing

We've got their loathing
Time's come they feel some fear

4/20/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Past Time.
Instead we have national pastimes.

4/20/2006 03:23:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Is the "war for the joos" pervert gone yet?

4/20/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"I will not revisit the issues of Passover weekend."
It was those Post Passover Maragaritas that were deadly!

4/20/2006 03:26:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Gaza coastline--isn't that like, sand and sea? A Mediterranean seacoast? Why aren't there some tourist attractions? Hotels, restaurants, casinos, real-estate development, an economy?

4/20/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

Oh brother! I don't suppose you have any actual facts-on-the-ground to support that statement. What somebody said or allegedly said is not a fact.

What social or political institutions have been created or "taken over" to achieve this end? What overt actions have these institutions taken to achieve this end?

If you can't answer any of these questions then put your balls on a table and hit them with a hammer. You deserve it.

Balls to the Walls !

Allow me, if I may, to introduce to you a Mr. Michael Leeden. Zionist. Admirer of Mussolini. Senior fellow at the AEI, advisor to Rummy and Cheney. Traitor to America:

(If you're a 'truth' seeker, don't censor or ban me please, I'm excerpting articles here to make a point. Thank you. I don't care where the sourcing comes from, as long is it appears legit. I'll use Pravda or Front Page Mag, too, if I have to.)

Flirting with Fascism

Neocon theorist Michael Ledeen draws more from Italian fascism than from the American Right.

...there is at least one neoconservative commentator whose personal political odyssey began with a fascination not with Trotskyism, but instead with another famous political movement that grew up in the early decades of the 20th century: fascism. I refer to Michael Ledeen, leading neocon theoretician, expert on Machiavelli, holder of the Freedom Chair at the American Enterprise Institute, regular columnist for National Review—and the principal cheerleader today for an extension of the war on terror to include regime change in Iran.

Ledeen has gained notoriety in recent months for the following paragraph in his latest book, The War Against the Terror Masters. In what reads like a prophetic approval of the policy of chaos now being visited on Iraq, Ledeen wrote,

Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our own society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity, which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. Seeing America undo traditional societies, they fear us, for they do not wish to be undone. They cannot feel secure so long as we are there, for our very existence—our existence, not our politics—threatens their legitimacy. They must attack us in order to survive, just as we must destroy them to advance our historic mission.

[Shades of 'catastophic success?']


...Ledeen criticizes Mussolini precisely for not being revolutionary enough. “He never had enough confidence in the Italian people to permit them a genuine participation in fascism.” Ledeen therefore concurs with the fascist intellectual, Camillo Pellizi, who argues—in a book Ledeen calls “a moving and fundamental work”—that Mussolini’s was “a failed revolution.” Pellizzi had hoped that “the new era was to be the era of youthful genius and creativity”: for him, Ledeen says, the fascist state was “a generator of energy and creativity.” The purest ideologues of fascism, in other words, wanted something very similar to that which Ledeen himself wants now, namely a “worldwide mass movement” enabling the peoples of the world, “liberated” by American militarism, to participate in the “greatest experiment in human freedom.”

John Laughland
The American Conservative

Serving President George W. Bush as US International Affairs Analyst is well-known Zionist Neoconservative Michael Leeden. He is a long-time advocate of a US led regime change in Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Syria, Palestine and Lebanon, for the sake of Israel.


“Ledeen’s ideas are frequently repeated daily by such figures as Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. His views virtually define the stark departure from American foreign policy philosophy that existed before the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001. He basically believes that violence in the service of the spread of democracy is America’s manifest destiny. Consequently, he has become the philosophical legitimator of the American occupation of Iraq. Now Michael Ledeen is calling for regime change beyond Iraq. In an address entitled “Time to Focus on Iran – The Mother of Modern Terrorism,” for the policy forum of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) on April 30, he declared, “the time for diplomacy is at an end; it is time for a free Iran, free Syria and free Lebanon. Ledeen has become the driving philosophical force behind the Neoconservative movement and the military actions it has spawned.”

William O. Beeman

William O. Beeman teaches anthropology and directs Middle East Studies at Brown University. He is author of “Language, Status and Power in Iran,” and two forthcoming books: “Double Demons: Cultural Impediments to U.S.-Iranian Understanding,” and “Iraq: State in Search of a Nation.”

I have to step away for a bit. Don't slam me too hard please. :|

4/20/2006 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Iwent to an old cobwebbed folder--the one with gnawed and scorched edges, covered with dried slobber and tearstains--called "araby" and found this well-linked URL from M. Simon. Interesting, save for when there's drying paint to watch.

4/20/2006 03:39:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I like to watch the Eggplant ripen.

4/20/2006 03:40:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Avuncular Al’s Lesson in Civics 101 or, “Why there are no main battle tanks on my street”

The only time I have tanks on my street is on-base. I find the tanks and the youngsters who operate them right up my alley.

Now, I have never had a tank on my residential street, so far. Today, I have noticed utility vehicles, lawn care vehicles, and even an ice cream truck but, no tanks. Now, here’s the civics lesson: My subdivision trustees do not send people across the creek to the military base to commit murder. If they ever do, I will not be surprised to see tanks on my street. Moreover, people in my neighborhood do not take pot-shots at people working on base. Neither do they kidnap, torture, and murder folks from the facility. Consequently, and do pay close attention, we have no tanks on our streets. Simple, hey?

Now, if you have had tanks roaming around your neighborhood, I just bet that someone has been very naughty. Not UN naughty, but that kind of naughty understood by civilized men since the time of Moses. You remember him, and that conference at Sinai, don’t you? So, I just think that if people in your part of town are having problems with Zionist tanks, you would be well advised to consider an attitude adjustment.

Good luck and do keep your human shield always at the ready. Israelis have this ridiculous reluctance about blowing into pieces innocent bystanders but, then, you know that, don’t you?

4/20/2006 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"It is possible also to measure the system's capacity for change by giving it small endurable shocks (or just measuring its response to noise)."
Maybe that was the idea for that Margarita Experiment?

4/20/2006 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

I think he stepped out for a quick cup of amphetamines, with hiz ole pal Comrade Cedarford.

4/20/2006 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

What about when it is a neo-conservative think-tank?

4/20/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Meanwhile Simon is rationalizing it all as reasonable self-medication.

4/20/2006 03:47:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Yes, the reason they call 'em "tanks" is because they save your people from being moidered, for which your people say, "Hey, tanks, man, tanks a millyun!"

4/20/2006 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Tanks, but no tanks.

4/20/2006 03:53:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I think you should tank the Insomniac.

4/20/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I guess the Pulitzers an example of giving tanks for services rendered.

4/20/2006 03:56:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Wenyi Wang charged with disorderly conduct, intimidating foreign official... Still in custody... MORE///
Guess she won't be getting a job with Google/Yahoo/Microsoft.

4/20/2006 03:59:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

So, on its face, the quote you present is inaccurate. Bush's foreign policy was lifted from Rebuilding America's Defenses, a paper published by Project for a New American Century. William Kristol is chairman of the Project, and Robert Kagan, Devon Gaffney Cross, Bruce P. Jackson and John R.
Bolton serve as directors. Gary Schmitt is executive director of the Project. The paper was written by Thomas Donnelly, who's, er, not a Zionist.

You're countering 'A Clean Break' with PNAC ? It's pretty much the same thing. 'A Clean Break' is just a component of PNAC. I'll get back to you.

4/20/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

The Bad Man opened his remarks with "How I love being on this campus! I will speak today on the evils of fascism, and what it can do to warp the mind."

Later, the student newspaper synopsized the remark as "How I can...warp the mind."

4/20/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

exhelodrvr, 2:36 PM

You, my dear sir, are a saint, a veritable demi-god among men. Bless you! Bless you! Bless you!

4/20/2006 04:05:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


Forget the previous. This is your post I had in mind.

The P-3 had to land because of the damage. Flying to a non-PRC field was not a realistic option, whether or not the fighters had missiles.

2:40 PM "

Now, wallow in the previous heartfelt tribute. Bless you!

4/20/2006 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Somnambulist has it never occurred to you that you're just a garden-variety dumb fucking Nazi?

4/20/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

peterboston, 3:00 PM

"If you can't answer any of these questions then put your balls on a table and hit them with a hammer. You deserve it.

3:00 PM"

Sure, easy for you to say. Zinc deficiency is no laughing matter.

4/20/2006 04:17:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Nope, Dan, it has never dawned on him. Can't--non compos mentis.

4/20/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

I didn't counter, nor did I parry. I destroyed your thesis. Have you read Rebuilding America's Defenses, or Bush's National Defense Strategy, or anything besides that book you quoted from?

And you still haven't gotten back to me on our original plan for removing Saddam, the one Rummy and Wolfowitz were working on pre-911. As I said, there's something in it that pile-drives your thesis on Land Control.

4/20/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger Ash said...

Aristide wrote:

"The centerpiece of our foreign policy is this:

At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible."

So, you admit it, the centrepiece of the Bush administrations foreign policy is to dominate the whole world. Do you not think it would be in other nations interest to resist such domination? In addition do you not think that this is immoral, injust?

4/20/2006 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Aristides will be back injust a minut.
...or a tank, if it's a minenut.

4/20/2006 04:47:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Good Lord, about just "phoning it in".

4/20/2006 04:47:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

Tell me what you think the words "immoral" and "injust" mean.

And I've never made any secret about my thoughts on this subject (and by the way, this was not exactly an admission of mine: it came from Bush's National Defense Strategy). American power should be used to enforce a system of stabilizing ethics in the world.

Stabilizing ethics. Stabilizing ethics. Stabilizing ethics.

Say it with me...stabilizing ethics. You can distinguish enforcing stabilizing ethics from domination, yes?

But before you answer that, give me your definition of "injust" and "immoral".

4/20/2006 04:49:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Allen 4:17 PM,
You sayin my hammer was deficient in Zinc is why it shattered?
It was no joke, almost got hit in the eye.

4/20/2006 04:49:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Allen 4:11 PM,
But he left out the patriotic option which was to land in the drink and let it sink.
The chicoms woulda picked em up and treated them nice, no?
...since were talkin Titanium Balls and all.

4/20/2006 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

Read this carefully, Ash:

Yet, whatever the limits and problems associated with American primacy, Lieber argues that there is no real alternative if we want a stable and prosperous world. And the heart of his book is an examination of how this fact of international life remains so for Europe, for the Middle East, and for Asia.

In the case of Europe, after examining both the sources of tension and cooperation in current transatlantic relations, Lieber argues that Europe has no choice but to depend on American leadership and power. Europe's lack of unanimity over foreign policies, and its own lack of hard power, leave it with little choice but to rely on the United States when it comes to maintaining the world's security blanket. As for the Middle East, after making the case for going to war with Saddam's Iraq--a case that ultimately hinges on the risks of not acting--Lieber notes that it still remains the case that "only the U.S." can deter regional thugs, contain weapons proliferation to any degree, keep the Arab-Israeli peace process afloat, and keep the oil supplies flowing to us and our allies. And in Asia, it is the United States that "plays a unique stabilizing role . . . that no other country or organization can play." Absent America's presence, the region's key actors would face a dramatically different set of security concerns, in which more overt, "great power" competition would likely become the norm.

Lieber is not oblivious to the fact that the rest of the world is hardly happy with this state of affairs, even while at times reluctantly admitting its necessity. As he quotes one European parliamentarian, "There are a lot of people who don't like the American policeman, but they are happy there is one." Nor, Lieber admits, is this situation made any easier by the sometimes ham-handed way in which Washington works with its friends and allies.

Yet, whatever the discontent generated by American primacy, the most remarkable feature of the present international order is how little real reaction there has been to that dominance. Lieber's key evidence here is that there has been no sustained effort by the world's other great powers to check the exercise of American power by forming new coalitions.

You'd think if American primacy was so "injust" and immoral, other countries would be making a big stink about it. You know why they're not?

They're busy getting rich.

4/20/2006 04:57:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

____“Somnabulist, will you repudiate anyone or any organization responsible for sending a bomb-laden or otherwise armed assailant into Israel to kill civilians. In short, will you unequivocally call, using just one word, such an act "terrorism?’"

You probably don’t know this but I have made finding the mythical “moderate” Muslim a……..yes, that’s it…a crusade. All I ever ask is the answer to a simple question, easily answerable by any decent human being. All I want is the use of a single word: “terrorist.” In failing to answer my question you have answered the question. And as I told your friend “talker-to-animals” (I think, but memory fails) last week, I don’t blame you.

Because I’m feeling especially generous, my wellspring of kindness not entirely dry, I’m going to help you out; Baruch Goldstein was a cold-blooded murderer. Listen carefully as I say the magic word, he was a TERRORIST. For his unconscionable conduct he will stand in judgment. You know what, no one kill me or my family for saying that. Hey, I’ll say it again, if you like. This is America and I’m a Jew. We don’t savagely kill for matters of individual conscience. If Islam survives to see the 21st Century, you guys might find that so relaxing.

4/20/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

A little levity--very little you will agree. I finally have had a breakthrough in understanding, and I have the answer to the suicide bomber. Shirt, shoes, no service.

4/20/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...


When I grow up, I want to be able to say, "I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." - Churchill. I apparently have my work cut out for me, so, no time like the present.

As the girl said sheepishly, "about the other night..."

4/20/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

No Ash, we already "dominate the whole world."


4/20/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Now, now that I'm some decades past the apogee of my gorgeous Apollonian bodily perfection, we be gonna all hafta go nude. Now i know why I hate terrorists.

4/20/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

we already "dominate the whole world."

Why yes, as a matter of fact we do. And if ya look close, the market for great power wars has been looking a little bearish lately. Wonder why?

4/20/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

The state has no interest in how you dress in the privacy of your own home, but you leave that front door, you're buck naked.

4/20/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

IMF reports "no recessions anywhere" and world growth running at an unprecedented 4.5%, and "high quality", meaning efficient, sustainable, and non-inflationary.

"Oh," one could say, "...that's just money."

But, oh ho, say the realists, it's actually about hope, aspiration, the future, a better life for the children, and freedom from perpetual toil to attain merely survival returns, in the human need for the necessities of life.

4/20/2006 05:23:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...


It's a trap. Set by traitors who are traitors to their people. The Zionists have, yet again, made a Faustian bargin to further their geo-political agenda. Reread that very important quotation from Leeden and think about that for a while please, if you are so inclined.


Stabilizing eh ? Point to anytime in history where war and violence actually stabilized a situation ? This is false stability.

The American people don't want and can't afford an American Empire or Pax Americana. It's logistically and financially impossible. The tide of history is against such endeavors. One cannot force back the hands of the clock, nor can one continue to create Frankenstein monsters for fun and profit. (Noriega, Saddam, Pinochet, Afghan Mujahideen, Saudis, etc Ad infinitum...when will it end ?) These are all destructive addiction that need to be addressed, otherwise, we are not going to make it. Read Ike's Military-Industrial Complex speech, where he makes reference to the 'spirit.' Each new generation falls for the same trap, the realizes too late (if at all) that it has been 'duped.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms  industry is new in the American experience. The total influence --  economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every  State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the  imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to  comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood  are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of  unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced  power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties  or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an  alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the  huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful  methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

I really need to step out for a few hours. I’ll be back.

4/20/2006 05:34:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

re: military-industrial complex.

Let me quote you a Jew, Bill Kristol:

Well, insofar as the thesis seems to be that the powerful military industrial complex drove us to war I think it’s just crackpot. I mean the war in Iraq may or may not have been a good idea I think it was necessary and right. And there have been may have been many different forces, ideological and others driving us to war but the idea that this is powerful military industrial complex in the U.S. that’s driving decisions is ridiculous.

It’s I think in Eisenhower’s day military spending was what eight-nine percent, 10 percent perhaps of gross domestic product. It was three percent when Bush took over and now it’s about four percent. It’s I mean look at the defense companies they’ve all merged and are much smaller compared to their, you know, civilian counterparts than they used to be.

So the idea that there’s this, you know that this was done for this money as didn’t someone say in the trailer, ”follow the money,” that really is ridiculous. And the idea that a president of the United States and Senators and Congressmen would vote would go to war for the sake of what enriching some friends of theirs who are contractors that’s really both childish and kind of obscene I think.

And you might be right about Americans not wanting to pay for the Pax Americana. But know this. If we withdraw our hand, we will have opened Pandora's Box.

And yes, to have a stabilizing ethic in an evolutionary game of agent interaction, certain behaviors must carry with them great cost. That means bombs, and if it's really bad, Marines.

4/20/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Aristides--Yeah, I'm with you. This American doesn't Want us to be involved in so many places around the world, but much of it has turned out well. No matter what anyone may think of any one individual country, think Poland, Lithuania,Estonia, Latvia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, East Germany, Romania, on and on, they are running their own show now. If that is the result of American 'imperialsim' and 'militarism' then maybe it's a good thing. I have noticed they all seem to want to join NATO--have joined--freely, with no coercion--and the EU and the modern world. I don't Want us to be involved in so many places, but we are not living in the time of George Washington. I've often wondered what the take would be of some of our founding fathers if they had a look at it today. Some of them might say they were at least somewhat pleased.

4/20/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

5:06 PM:
They told me it WAS a sheep!
Wish there'd a been a security cam.
I'll die of curiosity, if the liver holds out.

4/20/2006 07:06:00 PM  
Blogger Ash said...


Most here, and I would imagine yourself included would agree that America acts in its own interest on the world stage. Not only does it act in its own interest but it should, it is right and it is natural. When interests conflict, as they often do, why do you think the American interest should assume primacy? Are Americans 'chosen ones'? Is this your view of justice? Morality? Are you Machevalian or is this ordained by God?

4/20/2006 07:13:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

I wouldn't agree that America acts only in it's own interest on the world stage. If we did we would have used our power to,say,kill all the Arabs with nukes and take all the oil. We could wipe out Mexico in a nanosecond and wait till the radiation dies down and use it as a resort. We could kill everyone in South America and use it as another playland. But we have done nothing like that--because we don't act only in our own interests. And we shouldn't.

4/20/2006 07:30:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

Artistides, et al:

(Artistides, are you Greek ? )

Not sure where Kristol got his numbers. Here are some other figures:

The World's Largest
Military Spenders
United States $420
Russia $65
China $56
United Kingdom $49
Japan $45
France $40
Germany $30
Saudi Arabia $19
India $19
Italy $18
South Korea $16
Australia $12
Turkey $12
Israel $12
Canada $10

In 2005, Israel received $360 million in economic aid and $2.22 billion in military aid. In 2006, economic aid is scheduled to be reduced to $240 million and military aid will increase to $2.28 billion.

Have a look at this chart:

National defense: 50 %
Education: 10%

Linking the words "America" and "dictatorship" is a daily staple of leftwing blogs, which thrive on the idea that Bush administration policies since 9/11 are taking the country ever closer to totalitarian rule. Liberal fears that democracy is endangered by Republicans in Congress are so widespread, so endemic to the jittery political climate in the US, that they hardly bear repeating. It'll surprise no one to learn that another voice was added to the chorus last Thursday, warning that recent attacks on the American judiciary were putting the democratic fabric in jeopardy and were the first steps down the treacherous path to dictatorship.

What is surprising - more than that, electrifying - is that the voice belonged to Sandra Day O'Connor, who retired a few weeks ago from the supreme court. O'Connor is a Republican and a Reagan nominee. Regarded as the "swing vote" on the court, she swung the presidential election to George Bush in 2000.,,1729345,00.html

Jihad in the White House

Neoconservative Frank Gaffney and former Justice Deptartment prosecutor John Loftus have separately come forward to expose Grover Norquist's connections to activists with links to radical Islamic elements and the GOP. Norquist is long time College Republican friend of Karl Rove. Norquist has reportedly converted to Islam recently, after marriage to a Palestinian Moslem woman. Norquist also compared the Estate Tax to the Holocaust on the NPR program Fresh Air in 2004:

The argument that some who played at the politics of hate and envy and class division will say, 'Yes, well, that's only 2 percent,' or as people get richer 5 percent in the near future of Americans likely to have to pay that tax.

I mean, that's the morality of the Holocaust. 'Well, it's only a small percentage,' you know. 'I mean, it's not you, it's somebody else.'

And this country, people who may not make earning a lot of money the centerpiece of their lives, they may have other things to focus on, they just say it's not just. If you've paid taxes on your income once, the government should leave you alone. Shouldn't come back and try and tax you again.

Terry Gross: Excuse me. Excuse me one second. Did you just ...

Grover Norquist: Yeah?

Terry Gross: … compare the estate tax with the Holocaust?

Grover Norquist: No, the morality that says it's OK to do something to do a group because they're a small percentage of the population is the morality that says that the Holocaust is OK because they didn't target everybody, just a small percentage.

Grover’s [Norquist] own Islamic Institute was initially financed by one of the most notorious of these operatives, Abdurahman Alamoudi, a supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah who told the Annual Convention of the Islamic Association of Palestine in 1996, “If we are outside this country we can say ‘Oh, Allah destroy America.’ But once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it.” Grover appointed Alamoudi’s deputy, Khaled Saffuri to head his own organization. Together they gained access to the White House for Alamoudi and Sami al-Arian and others with similar agendas who used their cachet to spread Islamist influence to the American military and the prison system and the universities and the political arena with untold consequences for the nation.

This story has also been covered by and The Wall Street Journal, among other news sources. It has also been addressed in Craig Unger's book House of Bush- House of Saud.

Exxon Mobile posted the largest profits of any corporation in the history of the world in 2005 (I believe)

4/20/2006 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

If we withdraw our hand, we will have opened Pandora's Box.

Looks like Pabst Blue Ribbon (PBR) has already opened Pandora's Nuke box.

The Saudis will want the Bomb next, to counter the Shi'ite Bomb. They've been allied with Pakistan's suprising they haven't acquired a Bomb yet. Then, every Central Asian Republic (Islamic or not) will want one...then Jamaica will want to join the Nuclear Club.


That's what happens when you drink too much Pabst Blue Ribbon...

KURTZ" Are my methods unsound?"

WILLARD" I don't see any... method... at all, sir."

FRANK"What kinda beer do you like?"

JEFFREY "Heineken."


WILLARD "Here, take the radio. If I don't get back by 2200 hours,
you call in the airstrike."

CHEF "Airstrike ?"

WILLARD "The code is Almighty, coordinates 090264712.. It's
all in here."

RADIO "Street Gang, this is Almighty, standing by, over."

RADIO "PBR Street Gang, this is Almighty, over...
This is Almighty, standing by, over.
This is Almighty, how do you copy, over..."

RADIO"PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over..

4/20/2006 08:44:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

This American doesn't Want us to be involved in so many places around the world, but much of it has turned out well. No matter what anyone may think of any one individual country, think Poland, Lithuania,Estonia, Latvia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, East Germany, Romania, on and on, they are running their own show now. If that is the result of American 'imperialsim' and 'militarism' then maybe it's a good thing.

It is contestable whether or not American 'militarism' had much to do with the apparently birth of populist movements behind the former Iron Curtain. This is a very complicated issue. The writing had been on the wall for quite some time in regards to the collapse of Soviet Russia. Certainly Gorbachev and Glasnost had quite a lot to do with this transformation.

No societies are monoliths. Not even Iran. This is not exactly the picture you receive from watching Fox News or CBN, which are, in my opinion, 'Baghdad Green Zones' of the mind. All towers and empires eventually fall. Especially if their feet are made of clay.

Given below is a collation of Gen.Powell's interviews on foreign policy issues:

(a). Interview to "The Herald", Sharon, Pa, published on April 21, 1998

Skeptical of Mr. Mikhail Gorbachev's policies of glasnost and perestroika, Gen.Powell considered them to be tricks or traps. It wasn't until he met with Mr. Gorbachev in Moscow and the Communist reformer said that he was going to end the Cold War that Gen.Powell came to realize that revolutionary change was at hand. Acknowledging that Gen.Powell was a soldier and understanding his mode of thinking, Mr.Gorbachev said, ``I'm very, very sorry. You will have to find a new enemy."I thought to myself, `I don't want to,''' Gen.Powell recalled

New enemies...

4/20/2006 09:08:00 PM  

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