Epistemology
The UK Times focuses on a forgotten corner of a violent world: the southern Thai insurgency.
It is the shoes of the murdered bus passengers that everyone remembers. Nine corpses, nine sets of footwear — a girl’s plastic sandals, a boy’s trainers and clean white socks, a woman’s sensible casuals — all lined up by the jungle roadside.
The scene marked another grim milestone in an insurgency that has torn apart Thailand’s three majority Muslim provinces for the past three years.
First, the attackers threw a grenade to stop the minibus. Then they shot dead the passengers, one by one. Only the driver survived. The executioners heard him gabbling to Allah for forgiveness, realised he was not a Buddhist and spared him. ...
The insurgency is now the bloodiest conflict in southeast Asia. Yet it is a war of shadows. The militants issue no communi-qués. They have no known leaders. They have made no precise demands. If they are connected to the worldwide network of Al-Qaeda and its affiliates there is no proof.
No proof. No communiques. Ergo nothing. Just the empty shoes.
posted by wretchardthecat at 3/30/2007 05:28:00 AM
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it's an old war
new battles...
someday soon, us against them will happen..
who is us?
christians, pagans, wiccans, jews, catholics, buddists, shintos, hindu, atheists, heathens
who is them?
those who can murder, NOT JUST KILL, babies, school girls, moms, dads, ON PURPOSE....
yep we need a tipping point...
yep as lands become juden free, and also catholic free, hindu free etc...
there will be a backlash, requiring american, asia, europe to become free of islamists as well..
notice the arab league's position on palestine..
the want 3 million palestinians to return to israel, and yet they gloss over the 3,000,000 jews that were ethnically cleansed from the arab world during the same time...
(side note: 3m comes from the unique arab concept that refugees INCLUDE desendants)
you cannot make peace if the islamic concept is that laws are for everyone else...
return of refugees according to the UN is for BOTHSIDES.
Iran cannot BE a country and play the assymetical game of warfare without penalty
In asia the battle lines will be drawn or the buddists will cease to be...
shit or get off the pot...
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Southeast Asia is an important part of the world when it comes to Islamist fanaticism... perhaps not today, but I sense this will be where the battle turns, at some point in the future. There is a great deal of hand-wringing over the military buildup in China, especially on the right, but an important point is missed... We are going to need them, in spite of their horrid civil rights record. There is no other country that will fight so hard against Islamic rule than the Chinese. This is why commentators are so quick to criticize our lack of action on the subject of the Chinese military, while those in power remain silent. We have little to fear from the them, even over Taiwan. They are becoming more realist by the decade. However, we may have something to fear if we don't have them.
The comment by joe buzz is on the money, and I would add something else. This latest incident, actually, is only the latest example of the hypocrisy of today's press. Thomas Jefferson dealt with this same Islamist mentality at the time of the Barbary Pirates, when they could barely find America on a map. Churchill fought against, and wrote about, this same zealotry while stationed in northern India, before America was a footnote on the world stage.
what is "occupation" said: it's an old war...
It's been going on for centuries.
Most westerners can’t wrap their minds around the absurdity of Islamist slaughter and righteous ruination without there first being violent, heinous provocation, and we refuse to realize that modern civilization and the march of progress aren’t enough to protect us from those human jackals who tear apart innocents. There are no good answers for Thailand short of ethnic displacement or genocide (which it won’t do), since nothing will placate, and extremism is getting stronger by the day. But ethnic displacement is exactly what the Islamists are accomplishing by killing and running off Buddhists and moderate Muslims, while the Thai government looks impotent and fuels Islamist fury all the more.
As for who will best recognize and wish to deal with similar dangers in store for us, I believe it’ll be our returning soldiers who will have internalized both the fact and consequence of bloody, bone-sundering spectacle and base belief. They won’t counsel half-measures when the time comes. Apparently, we haven’t yet reached that point of violent, heinous provocation.
Bus terror incidents always take me back to 1977, when an old American school bus full of mestizos, chickens and two teen tourists careening between deep potholes in a remote part of the Yucatan was stopped by armed Marxist guerillas. We all were told to get off and stand in the ditch by the side of the road, and I knew we were going to be gunned down. Everybody was so passive, only a few quiet prayers could be heard. Turned out El Señor was with us, since the revolutionaries only exacted the equivalent of a dollar from each of us (actually a lot of money to most of those folk) before sending us on our way. I couldn’t believe it- they had only wanted a toll payment and tribute. These days, were the same thing to happen, I imagine the Yanks would be singled out for special attention before all of the passengers met their Maker in a bloody few moments.
How about the home grown insurgency pointed out in the lastest Ben Stein article.
"On September 11, 2001, about 3,000 fine human beings were killed in New York City, Virginia, and Pennsylvania by Moslem fanatics
However, in the five and a half years since September 11, 2001, there have been roughly 40,000 killings by gangs and gang members in this United States of America, mostly in the African-American and Hispanic sections of large cities.
Is it non-PC to even mention it because the killers are almost always non-white? Or, might it be simply convenient to ignore it because the victims are almost always non-white, too?
Terrorism is already here, and we're just pretending it isn't.
This is a disaster that is happening right now, right in front of our eyes...if we ever dared open them.
Ben Stein
That should never be mentioned because most of those folks are undocumented gang members Habu.
What shame you bring on yourself, Habu,
violating THAT Taboo!
8 People Killed in Northern Mexico
Friday, March 30, 2007
Gunmen killed two police officers and six other people in less than 48 hours, the latest victims in a wave of drug-related violence in northern Mexico, police said Friday.
Investigators say the Sinaloa Cartel is fighting the Gulf Cartel for billion-dollar drug smuggling routes into the United States.
The battle has led to beheadings, grenade attacks and execution-style killings across Mexico and the violence has taken a particularly heavy toll on police.
The latest killings were in the northern Mexican metropolis of Monterrey in Nuevo Leon state, a hot spot for violence where 42 people have been killed since Jan. 1.
Isn't this a non-nuclear version of the Three Conjectures.
No one in charge of the insurgency to stop it or even negotiate with.
Saw pics on another forum of Thai gov officials giving the locals shotguns to defend their villages with.
Maybe a decentralized insurgency gets a decentralized response, which also becomes difficult to stop once it gets going.
Yes Doug the obloquy I have exposed myself to is a mark I will simply have to carry.
But as much as my self inflicted mark is hurtful to me I am still capable of applauding your position on illegals in the US. I hope my stating this does not hurt the truth you bring to those who would mischaracterize your position and cast you as a rascist. They are poltroons and poseur.
Epistemology? I fail to see how this post has anything to do with theories of knowledge.
if a non-muslim tree is chopped down in a forest - by self-proclaimed jihadists - and no one reports it, does it make a sound?
yes. in the blogosphere.
if most americans only hear reports of the casualties OUR side takes, then how can they judge the effectiveness of the war?
they cannot.
if we do not defeat the enemy EVERYWHERE have we lost?
no - not if we persevere.
if we retreat from iraq before the non-terrorist supporting government is stabilized, then who will return to expel or topple the al Qaeda-supporting regime?
no one.
and who will depend on us in the future?
no one.
bottom line: iraq is job one/ the line in the sand.
becasue the enemy has said so.
and because of the Carter Doctrine.
if the dems take the WH in 08 - AND RETREAT from our unique responsibilities, then it will be like combining Hungary 56, Czechoslovakia 68, Cuba, Vietnam, and the hostage crisis all rolled up into one to the tenth power.
this could very well happen - despite how the economy is doing, how the deficit is shrinking, how we are defeating the enemy in iraq and afghanistan.
it CAN ONLY happen because the msm
doesn't report fully or accurately, and what it reports it reports in a biased, negative, and defeatist way.
this is in part because they are mostly lefties, and also because negative news is more sensational.
the fact that the dems took the house and senate and are poised to retake the WH proves that we bloggers have not gotten strong enough.
the conservative think-tank/talk-radio/bog synergies have not been realized yet.
and the key reason is the fact that the key voters are the swing voters and they are ONLY consumers of MSM.
they watch the morning news and the evening news on the networks and read one major newspaper of major news weekly magazine.
THESE ARE ALL LEFTIE BIASED.
therefore, we need Murdoch to take the simpsons OUT of the 6-7 timeslot and give Brit Hume a 30 minute BROADCAST show.
to do this cost effectively he can re-tune brit's current cable show so that the first 30 minutes cab be simulcast on broadcast.
this will reach more independent/middle-of-the-roaders than the blogosphere or talk radio.
then the non-muslim tress being chopped down in thailand will be heard.
I hate the war
r and want the troops back now. But to do so would make the USA look weak and open up more terroism.
However, there is a very strong chance that we have lost the war anyway. meaning we retreat on their terms no ours.
We can win the war on terrorism but only if we play by thier rules, ir we destroy everything and take the world on, or we get the world on our side and fight as a world not as a country.
United nations waas suupsed to that, but we of course are bigger than the UN.
Big mistake.
watch for more killings
Mark
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