Wednesday, September 13, 2006

PF Sloan would have understood

What do you call a situation where you are accused of not doing what you will be condemned for doing? Answer: just another day. The Associated Press reports:

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military acknowledged Wednesday that it considered bombing a group of more than 100 Taliban insurgents in southern Afghanistan but decided not to after determining they were on the grounds of a cemetery. The decision came to light after an NBC News correspondent's blog carried a photograph of the insurgents. Defense department officials first tried to block further publication of the photo, then struggled to explain what it depicted. NBC News claimed U.S. Army officers wanted to attack the ceremony with missiles carried by an unmanned Predator drone but were prevented under rules of battlefield engagement that bar attacks on cemeteries


There is something in this story for everyone. The photo is proof that the Taliban are 'operating in large numbers with impunity against a losing and helpless US military'. The photo is proof of the power of how weird the War on Terror is. The photo is also a thought experiment. What would be your thoughts if the the Predator drone had blown up the Taliban as these poor tribesmen were engaged in the traditional act of mourning? What would be your thoughts if the Taliban bombed a US military funeral at Arlington?


Blogger enscout said...

What the....?

Those towel heads can't squat on that cemetary forever.

Are we fighting a war with these barbarians or not?

9/13/2006 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Buddy Larsen said...

pf sloan's biggest hit

9/13/2006 04:47:00 PM  
Blogger Red River said...

Methinks this is just one example of many of lawyers running the war, not the warriors.

In Vietnam we had LBJ designating targets, not we have JAG doing it.

One only has to remember the case in Iraq where some JAG pansy misguidedly blocked the use of sniper rounds.

It does not matter if its an entrenching tool or a bullet, kill the enemy wherever he is.

When they hear we are after them, you want them to crap in their pants, pee in their drawers, and know they are not safe anywhere, whether it is Mommy's burkha or a tombstone.

In fact, just gather in the cemetery so its easier on the undertaker.

9/13/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger Ilia Capitolina said...

The winner takes it all:

I don’t wanna talk
About the things I’ve gone through
Though it hurts me
Now it’s history

We played all our cards?
And that’s what they've done too
Nothing more to say
No more ace to play?

The winner takes it all
The loser standing small
Beside the victory
That’s our destiny

I figured it made sense
Building a fence
Building a home
Thinking I’d be strong there
But I was a fool
Playing by the rules

The gods have throw the dice
Their minds as cold as ice
The Prophets will decide
The likes of you abide
Spectators of the show
Always in the know

The game is on again
A lover or a foe
Big thing or a small
The winner takes it all

The winner takes it all
The loser has to fall
And someone way over there
Loses someone dear
It’s simple and it’s plain
Why should I complain

I don’t wanna talk
It just makes me feel sad
And I understand
You’ve come to shake my hand
I apologize
It just makes me feel bad
Seeing me so tense
No self-confidence
But you see
The winner takes it all
The winner takes it all..

9/13/2006 05:36:00 PM  
Blogger ppab said...

Is there any precedent for creating a notion of sanctuary, so as to coalesce a decentralised enemy at a specific point, the better to locate and destroy?

At what point during the persuasion of the enemy that there exists a reasonable & compelling expectation of sanctuary do you strike?

Or are we really as retarded as implied in that article?

9/13/2006 05:45:00 PM  
Blogger StoutFellow said...

I must admit that I had to think about this one, when I heard the story around mid-day on FoxNews. My immediate and troubling response, was to ask the question of moral equivalence. The reason for this question is because killing the mourners at the funeral of their victims is a favorite tactic of the Islamic Fascists. I view this behavior as one of the most abhorrent acts a person can commit.

After brief consideration, I concluded that the moral equivalence argument fails, because the Islamists murder the mourners of their civilian victims. By contrast, the Taliban leaders are combatants and should have been blasted to Hell. The 'we don't bomb cemeteries' argument also falls on its face. Unless we have changed policy since the Marines kicked the Mahdi army's ass in the hugh cemetery by the mosque in Najaf in 2004. The NATO forces missed a huge opportunity to do significant damage to the Taliban.

9/13/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Blogger Pyrthroes said...

Stage a provocation that attracts Islamic terrorist rats in droves: A ritual immolation of Mohammed athwart his nine-year old victim would do well. Produce it in a cemetary, or better yet a Golden Mosque. When the usual Gallery of Grotesques streams forth, brandishing their scimitars, bombarding the stage with severed heads, let predator UAVs vector bombers and strafing runs until not a one is left. Rinse and repeat. When the lawyers' calls come through, invite them as observers, and run the protocol again.

Amazing how persuasive arguments can be, if they kill-you-dead.

9/13/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger Quig said...

Amazing this should come up here. The other side has no scruples.
"Radio Free Afghanistan reports a suicide bomber blew himself up today at the funeral of an assassinated Afghan provincial governor, killing five people and wounding another ten."

9/13/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Blogger 3Case said...

Find the pinhead JAG officer and put him in front of the cameras to explain the rules of engagement...every time. Let everybody see and hear the functionary who created the wall that protected our enemies. I know this would mean overturning the Gorelick precedent, but that's o.k. with me.

9/13/2006 11:09:00 PM  
Blogger The Mad Fiddler said...

Does anyone actually have any doubt whatsoever that the Taliban would murder infidels standing on their own sacred ground?

The Chechen terrorists did not shrink from murdering hundreds of innocent children and their teachers...

The Jihadis in Indonesia did not shrink from beheading adolescent Christian schoolgirls...

The Jihadis in India did not shrink from murdering hundreds of Hindu as they celebrated in their sacred festivals.

The Taliban did not shrink from defiling and destroying the images of Bhudda which were both sacred to Bhuddists and treasured by the international community for their history...

The idea that because the Jihadis are standing in a cemetery that they should be safe from military attack...




9/14/2006 12:48:00 AM  
Blogger summignumi said...

Another example of 40 years of Democrat decay that is rotting our country from the inside out, I do believe we may see the breakup of the US in another three or four presidential elections, from the get-it-done, can-do Americans, from the multicultural softies who's political and monetary elite would sign away their rights and life and of course the (if it ain't to late already) new region of Mexico that is forming in the south west and California.

9/14/2006 01:23:00 AM  
Blogger Woman Catholic said...

summignumi wrote:

...and of course the (if it ain't to late already) new region of Mexico that is forming in the south west and California.

Gosh, that means we might have to put up a fence in the Siskyou mountains on the Oregon-California border.

9/14/2006 07:02:00 AM  
Blogger Joe Buzz said...

Part of this problem is that we announce and broadcast what we will not do..What is to stop them from holding their command and control coordination meetings during funerals or mock funerals from now on? Why not loose the hellfires when they are one step outside of the "cemetary"? I'm sure there were a few of those tangos riding on the truck when it left.

9/14/2006 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger Bryan said...

"What is to stop them from holding their command and control coordination meetings during funerals or mock funerals from now on?"

My thought exactly, and it should only surprise us if jihadi leaders fail to catch on to the idea.

9/14/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger Roderick said...

One of the nuttiest notions about us using ruthless methods in warfare is the notion that "we will only become like our enemy."

This is crap. We deliberately killed hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese civilians using bombers piloted by nice guys like Jimmy Stewart. After the war, boys in post-war America joined the Boy Scouts, not the Hitlerjungen. We did not round up and exterminate American Jews, and, instead, welcomed millions more Jews to our shores. When African Americans demanded their civil rights, we did not re-enslave them. When women demanded an end to secon-class status, we elevated them.

Instead of becoming a worse country after deliberately killing civilians and also dropping two A-bombs, we actually became a BETTER country than we had been before the War. As for Japan and Germany, we did not gain their everlasting emnity for all those civilian dead. They also became better countries.

9/14/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger skipsailing said...

Perhaps we simply don't deserve to win. It is just amazing to watch this process unfold. We have lost our will to fight because we fear international condemnation and domestic legal issues more than we fear the taliban.

I mourn for the men who are lost because our RoE's make them vulnerable.

It seems to me that we've simply bought the liberal BS about moral equivalence and now must face the consequences.

9/14/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Robert Schwartz said...

Could we hope that there is a rational explanation for this.

9/14/2006 02:04:00 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

There is a recent article "Murder in the Cathedral" at which discusses an ethical delema for a B-17 combat crewman in 1943.

"One of the 95th's officers, lead navigator Captain (later Lt. Col.) Ellis B. Scripture, had serious reservations on hearing this briefing. As he explained: "I'd been raised in a strict Protestant home. My parents were God-oriented people and were quite active church members. I was shocked to learn that we were to bomb civilians as our primary target for the first time in the war and that our aiming point was to be the front steps of the Münster Cathedral at noon on Sunday, just as Mass was completed."

Joe Wall's article is thought provoking and worth reading. However, I don't see the same type of moral delema regarding dropping a bomb on a group of thugs just because they are in a grave yard morning the loss of a fellow terrorist. It makes one wonder about the judgement of those who are determining the rules of engagement.

9/14/2006 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger Robert Schwartz said...

Here is the irony we need:

Suicide Bomber Hits Funeral of Provincial Governor:

It wasn't enough to just kill Afghan Gov. Abdul Hakim Taniwal on Sunday in a suicide bombing, so terrorists sent a suicide bomber to his funeral and killed six more people. As of now, no group has claimed responsibility and the bomber has not been identified.

More than 1,000 mourners had gathered Monday in the eastern Khost province, the ancestral home of Taniwal, when the attacker slipped undetected though a hundreds-strong security force to blow himself up in front of a vehicle carrying a senior police officer who may have been targeted because he was active in operations against Taliban and al-Qaeda.

The bombing caused carnage and chaos, and police fired into the air to control a charge of panicking mourners who feared there might be a second blast. Hospital officials said five police officers and a 12-year-old boy were killed. At least 35 people were wounded.

9/14/2006 10:15:00 PM  

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