Monday, September 18, 2006

Farce as prelude to tragedy

A Catholic Londoner describes his experience at Sunday Mass in Merry Olde England.

I thought I'd refrain from posting anything substantial about this uproar about the Pope's speech, since I'm sure other bloggers can put things more eloquently than me. ( here and here and here : "If the Pope does not appear on TV and apologise ... we will blow up all of Gaza's Churches" and here: a priest's calm take on things.).

Unfortunately after Mass today at Westminster Cathedral it was shoved in my face. Holy Mass on a Sunday is the very source and summit of the Catholic week, so my family decided this Sunday to make the trip to Westminster Cathedral together. As we came out about 100 Islamists were chanting slogans such as "Pope Benedict go to Hell" "Pope Benedict you will pay, the Muja Hadeen are coming your way" "Pope Benedict watch your back" and other hateful things. I'll post more pictures of it when I get more free time. It was a pretty nasty demonstration.




If you look very carefully at the pictures at a Catholic Londoner it will be obvious that this demonstration at a church is as much about gangsterism and intimidation than anything else. And it's a gangersterism -- under color of religion -- fueled almost entirely by Western political correctness and a refusal to insist upon basic reciprocal civility. This is learned behavior, the kind of behavior that is practically invited by the sickening double standards of modern "enlighted" attitudes. Compare the pictures above with the ones below.

British police officers speak to Iranian Reza Moradi, 29, who displayed a banner containing the controversial Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, at a demonstration rally supporting freedom of expression in Trafalgar Square, London, Saturday March 25, 2006. About 200 people held a free-speech demonstration in central London on Saturday, with several displaying posters of the cartoons that infuriated much of the Muslim world.


Man charged for carrying poster

Man warned against displaying American flag


This will eventually result in catastrophe. And the worst of it is that the very same people who precipitated it will express shock and horror at what they have unwittingly -- or wittingly -- wrought. Of the Left it may truly be said,  they have "learned nothing and forgotten nothing."


Blogger enscout said...

The left has been engaging in this perverse type of tyranny for some time. For a group that has demonstrated an uncanny ability to sniff out the slightest misstep by their political opponents, it seems amazing that none should break rank and observe for a moment the hypocrisy.

We should all know by now that hate speech, for example, is a one-way, dead end street with a cliff just beyond the sign. We've taken the initiative to pull the sign out and wave it in front of them and that's made them angry. Will they wake up and recognize the impending peril in time to save themselves?

9/18/2006 05:26:00 AM  
Blogger sirius_sir said...

Wretchard, I believe there will be many who will one day start off telling a tale just as this Catholic Londoner does, saying, "I thought I'd refrain..." until.

Unfortunately--or fortunately, depending on your view--these many are likely not to content themselves to merely writing a few words of disapproval. When this tide turns it will turn 180 degrees, and it will have a devastating effect upon those who cannot now even imagine they will be engulfed by the very forces they now seek to employ.

9/18/2006 05:35:00 AM  
Blogger Prodicus said...

FYI: Your links 'here and here and here' don't work. Thanks.

9/18/2006 05:36:00 AM  
Blogger Darren Mallory said...

Financial Blog

9/18/2006 06:55:00 AM  
Blogger Meme chose said...

Any ethnically British person doing the same thing to Muslims in the UK would of course have been arrested immediately (and no, I'm not kidding).

9/18/2006 06:56:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

And yet El Pappa hasn't apologised.

Once more, my heart leaps, devestated as it is by the wilting of the Iraeli respose to Hisb' Allah.

Could the greatest hate figure of the Left (The Catholic Church) be now the nuke for its exhausted derangement.

But if you think about, it's El Pappa's fight, not George Bush's.

Oh come on Protestants, you know they were right all along. Get with the programme.

You must believe - your genes depend on it.


PS I believe that this 'A Catholic Londoner' is a wanker, and doesn't exist. But the towelheads shit me.

9/18/2006 07:12:00 AM  
Blogger Pierre Legrand said...

I have been overwhelmed by my desire to rejoin the Catholic Church. Such bravery shown needs to be joined and redoubled. When all around us on both the left and right, but obviously and understandably more on the left, cowards have grown wings and flown, a 79 year old man has shown what a backbone made of steel looks like.

And so finally the ideological battle is joined, not with the mushy wishful thinking words of President Bush who has done so much to win the war of swords. But with a red hot dagger aimed straight at the heart of the problem. Mohammed's part in this tragic 1400 year old plot of misery.

9/18/2006 07:25:00 AM  
Blogger john said...

It seems that, even though the Pope's basic argument could have been made without reference to Mohammed or Islam, the quoted Emperor's point is being driven home.

9/18/2006 07:31:00 AM  
Blogger El Jefe Maximo said...

The signs look very professional. This is gangsterism in the complete sense, in that it is organized and well-financed; and pushing a consistent line of propaganda. Islamo-fascist in fact.

Who is organizing and paying ? It bothers me how little we know about our enemies, in terms of organizational structure -- for certainly there is one.

I still think the joke is going to be on the Islamo-fascists and their Leftie fellow travellers, and it's going to be one that they won't much like. As ye sow, so shall ye reap...

9/18/2006 07:37:00 AM  
Blogger Darren Mallory said...

Unfortunately both democrats and republicans usually say what you want to hear and then do the complete opposite.

Financial Blog

9/18/2006 07:48:00 AM  
Blogger istarious said...

Nazi Pope Refuses to Convert to Islam

Judging by his extremist positions against abortion and gay marriage, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the Pope is a hatemonger as well. Quoting from an ancient text, the leader of the most barbaric religion in the history of the world accused Islam of being "evil", and "inhuman". Once again, Catholics have demonstrated that they just can't get out of the Dark Ages.

Muslims are a deeply sensitive people and their feelings are easily hurt, but Islamist leaders across the world took to the airwaves and beseeched their followers to refrain from acts of violence and instead walk the path of peace. Although the pontiff’s words were reminiscent of Hitler back before he redeemed himself by killing 6 million Jews in an imaginary Holocaust, they were only words and no excuse for harming innocents. Once an appropriate amount of churches had been burned and enough nuns brutally gunned down, Muslims and infidels could co-exist in peace and harmony.

The Pope, on the other hand, seems determined to start a Holy War. His half-assed apology was too little, too late, and didn’t include anywhere near the amount of groveling Muslims have grown to expect from Europeans. Nor did he mention that he was willing to accept punishment for his cruel attack on the peacelove Muslim peoples. Under Sharia law, anyone who even indirectly implies that Islam is anything less than "peachy keen" can only be forgiven once they’ve been decapitated, disemboweled, and then trampled to death by a herd of unwashed goats. The Pope is probably too much of a bigot to accept such an olive branch, but there is an alternative. He could convert to Islam.

I know he’s got it pretty good with this Holy See gig. He's got a big house, a fancy car, and more money than he knows what to do with. But the Pope should try thinking about someone besides himself for a change.
Liberal Larry

9/18/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger ForNow said...

A gliberal sticks his head in the sand and calls the rim a halo.

One must interpret. And one must confirm and disconfirm, such as one can, for oneself -- yet each of us depends on the others' doing so too.

The head-in-the-sand behavior evolves into quasi-sociopathy and will get a lot of people hurt, impoverished, killed.

9/18/2006 07:59:00 AM  
Blogger Pierre Legrand said...

This is really!

Muslims are a deeply sensitive people and their feelings are easily hurt, but Islamist leaders across the world took to the airwaves and beseeched their followers to refrain from acts of violence and instead walk the path of peace.

Yea I wonder how sensitive Mohammed was while he was busy chopping off the men's heads of the Banu Quraiza tribe while he was selling the women and children into slavery. Muslims have been sensitive all through history and they base their "sensitivity" on Mohammeds own example. For instance if a Poetress makes a poem about you that you don't like then you ask someone to rid you of her.

Regarding the record of both religions in death you would be hard pressed to make the case that Christians have killed more. And it would be impossible for you to find where the founders words justified such acts when they occured. Whereas Islam's founder gave his followers the example by being a murderer himself.

Ask the Armenians how "sensitive" Islam is...

9/18/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger Pierre Legrand said...

Sheesh this is so infuriating...

The 14th worldwide meltdown of Muslims caused by Pope

9/18/2006 09:27:00 AM  
Blogger snowonpine said...

Seems to me its high time for what's left of Christendom to stand up, quit fooling around and tell these thugs with towels wrapped around their heads that we will tell the truth no matter how many signs they brandish, demonstrations they stage or churches they torch. No political correctness, no hypersensitivty to others' feelings, no multicultural appreciation for other religions and cultures but, the truth.

I think we've had just about enough of this crap and that we should just tell Islamic leaders--who knew this all along and, I'm sure, have had a good long laugh at our denseness-- that we understand that from the 7th century on it has always been war between Islam and all "non-believers" and it is so today.

9/18/2006 09:55:00 AM  
Blogger tim said...

Muslims around the world seem set on proving the truth of passage the Pope quoted. Soon, the Pope will be justified in offering an additional clarification, and it ought to sound like this: While my first words were merely quoting a 14th century passage that I neither agreed with nor repudiated, the resulting responses of Muslims everywhere has convinced me of the truth of the words of the 14th century interlocutor that I quoted. I now, grieviously, make his words my own--violence is, indeed, at the absolute heart of Islam.

There has been lots of talk about how not all Muslims are the same and they are not all radical. And that is true--I've studied quite a bit of the history of Islam and recognize that there are different streams and that a generic label of "extremist" is wrong to apply, but the ridiculous outcry recently by the majority of the Muslim community over first, the Danish Cartoon, and now, the Pope's comments, really has me questioning to what degree the other streams of Islam are different from the more extreme varieties. Sure there are differences, but how fundamental are they? At what point does the end result appear identical in each stream? The point of merging may be way closer than some would claim, and that is an uncomfortable thought.

9/18/2006 10:51:00 AM  
Blogger Pierre Legrand said...

For those who continue to claim that Islam is a moderate religion some splaining is in order. Please explain exactly how is it that Mohammed fits in with their idea of a religion of peace?

9/18/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger Goesh said...

If those folks felt any fear at all coming out of that church, they better get used to it. Masked people chanting death to the leader of their religion and all they could do was hurry away with furtive glances towards the police protecting them....I bet some of the men were well ahead of the women in the run for safety too.

9/18/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger TM Lutas said...

A little bit of intellectual curiosity would seem to be in order. Manuel II Paleologos is our future in a very sad way. The next to last Byzantine emperor, he was a vassal of the Sultan and forced to campaign against fellow byzantines in Philadelphia (Asia Minor). His appeals for aid from the West were largely in vain.

I expect to hear more about Emperor Paleologos and the rest of the christianity that has been under the islamic boot. There are great lessons to be mined there.

9/18/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger Cutler said...

Unfortunately, the Pope also has to deal with the fact that plenty of Third World Christians live their lives on the edge. As someone said below, "a nun in Somalia needs a bodyguard?"

So although he seems safe in Rome, he also has the safety of millions of others as his responsibility. Blowback isn't just pathetic, it is dangerous, and a lack of freedom of speech results from it.

Keep that in mind when watching the ambiguous back-stepping.

9/18/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger RWE said...

It is often said that Islam is the religion of the sword.

The infuriating thing is that some think that Christianity cannot even be the religion of the shield.

9/18/2006 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger Jim said...

Call it a clash of cultures, or a clash of religions, or a fight for freedom, or whatever you want...but you'd better be ready to fight regardless.
It's about oil, gentlemen. They have most of what's left. We absolutely need it. There is no substitute for it, and the world is going to run out of it. World oil discovery PEAKED in 1970 and has been going down every year since then. World oil production may peak this year,(for example, Saudi oil production has actually decreased every month so far this year) and will inevitably follow a parallel path down. World oil demand is the only thing about oil expected to rise. As China industrializes, the competition for what oil remains will get brutal. We have troops in the Gulf region to protect the flow of oil, to us... but we can't say that can we?

9/18/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger Pierre Legrand said...

Call it a clash of cultures, or a clash of religions, or a fight for freedom, or whatever you want...but you'd better be ready to fight regardless.
It's about oil, gentlemen

Oil? Islam murdered millions in India over oil? Islamic thugs murdered hundreds of thousands possible up to a million Armenians over oil? The two pronged invasion of Europe in 710 was about oil? The Siege of Vienna was about oil?

It is not about oil it is about two cultures living side by side with one another and one of those religions is told by its "god" to murder or convert or enslave the other. Very Medival stuff no doubt but there you go we are fighting a medival war and the sooner we figure that out the better.

And for those of you who are feeling like saying I am advocating genocide against the Muslims, take a pill. That is intellectually dishonest. I would not have advocated murdering all the Germans simply because they might have believed that nazis were ok. Nor did I want to murder all the communists who actually believed in the nonsense that was Marxism. You do however have to at least acknowledge that we are at war with them. This is denial of staggering proportions these days.

9/18/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger exhelodrvr said...

Good point about "blowback."

Unfortunately, in the long run being overly careful now will likely cause more Christian casualties, and probably 10x that many additional Muslim casualties.

9/18/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger Fernand_Braudel said...

I'm just waiting for the third-conjecture to clean up all this 6th Century racket of Mo-hammed-it.

9/18/2006 02:05:00 PM  
Blogger slimslowslider said...

Maybe "moderate" Islam is just the "Make-up Artists" for the beast allowing their grand entrance onto the world stage. The lack of genuine outrage (by the moderate) may be impossible once the submission has occurred.

9/18/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger Habu1 said...

It has gone beyond a fight for oil.

The fight now is for freedom and it is ideologically based. While Western law eminates from the great minds of John Locke, Jeremy Bentham,Madison,Jay,Jefferson,Hamilton,Hobbes, and continuing back to Aritotles and Plato et al. we can find no such thinking in the Islamic world.
Their prophet mohammad was a charlatan, mass murderer, basically a cheap gangster who gave form to illiterate people through a bastard ideology. Desendents of those same illiterate people are still ideologically on page one of the Rights Of Man, if in fact they are that far.
A clash of civilizations is already upon us although the West in it's legalistic tradition is slow in perceiving the gravity of the change.
There are no people of influence on the Islamic side positioning for anything but war. The illiterate masses, mired as they are in centuries old blood feuds pursue the West,once again.Their goal once again is conquest, total conquest.
The West's conventional arsenal
is drained. Europe is immpuissant and flaccid.
We can not avoid a fight because diplomatically the other side does not honor or repect diplomacy. That leaves the United States and particularly Israel with but one option. Nuclear war.
We know it can be done with tactical nucelar weapons. That tool is the only one left in our arsenal.
Ask youself this. You are advising the President and he wants three options. What is you answer if not nuclear war?

9/18/2006 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger slimslowslider said...

He knows what he has to do.

It seems that the Prophecy script is gaining momentum every day we get closer to iran and its nuclear weapons. Do we need a WWII moment (which is the Ahmadinajed promise) before we have the right might? It is beginning to look like history has rewound itself just before we finished watching it and is now stuck on slow motion forward. We have time to press the stop botton.

9/18/2006 04:36:00 PM  
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9/18/2006 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger Ed Nutter said...

I've got to agree with most of what Habu1 says...however:

1. It never was about oil.

2. "The West's conventional arsenal
is drained." Not so. We're developing and fielding weapons and systems to counter our opponents in ways that they can't themselves counter. Remotes and autonomous recon and attack vehicles are in development, in the pipeline, and in the field. Our troops are so good that only an ideology that seeks death can keep their targets from surrendering. Our conventional arsenal is far from drained.

Yeah, we could just nuke 'em. We could even update our old suitcase nuke designs to drop/fire from a Predator. Start along that path and you really do have to irradiate and atomize at least a billion people.

Better to use our rapidly improving targeting technology to kill the most dangerous few hundred thousand. That serves as an example to any wannabes and prevents the now dead crazy ones from intimidating those who would like to be moderate. And yes, I do believe that's the majority of muslims.

9/18/2006 05:43:00 PM  
Blogger 3Case said...

'2. "The West's conventional arsenal
is drained." Not so. We're developing and fielding weapons and systems to counter our opponents in ways that they can't themselves counter. Remotes and autonomous recon and attack vehicles are in development, in the pipeline, and in the field. Our troops are so good that only an ideology that seeks death can keep their targets from surrendering. Our conventional arsenal is far from drained.' -emphasis added-

As I natter here regularly, before they achieve death, they spend a lot of time hiding. Nobody makes the connection between the jihadis' exquisite hiding and the military superiority we possess. It is the reason the jihadis must procure our surrender without the fight (They read Sun Tzu, too). In an open fight, they die wretched deaths very quickly; can you say "Highway of Death"?.

Which gets me to the issue of squeamishness. If you look upon the pictures of the "Highway of Death" you must not be human if it does not give you pause. Yet, the jihadis continue their slaughter and they continue to slaughter innocents (the nun shot in the back). They want to "dialogue" only when their casualties exceed acceptable levels to them and/or they need to restock.

Is it moral to "dialogue" with such people?...all the while knowing they have slaughtered innocents mercilessly and that there is almost no chance they will not? do so, again...and again...and again...and again....

9/18/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger For Freedom said...

The power of Pope Benedict's argument is as the Butterfly's wing beat that starts a Hurricane.
The Logic and Reason associated with the Judeo-Christian God of Love is what threatens the foundations of the heretical cult of Islam.
How does Islam respond to the argument that God is reasonable, and reason implies that religious conversion cannot be under the threat of violence.
"God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably (σὺν λόγω) is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...."

The God of Islam is nothing more than an arbitrary Oriental Potentate, a tyrant who at a whim can generate a whirlwind of lies, subjugation and slavery. This God is a False God, a spiritual quicksand of this neo-pagan cult.

9/18/2006 10:07:00 PM  
Blogger Joee Blogs said...

Cheers for the link and the intelligent commentary. These are interesting times we live in.

9/19/2006 04:11:00 AM  
Blogger Clyde said...

"Bloody 'eathens."

Where is this generation's Churchill or Kipling, to tell the truth about them?

9/19/2006 05:47:00 AM  
Blogger Jim said...

Of course it's about oil. We wouldn't be in the Gulf at all if it wasn't for the oil. Do you think we care what a bunch of ragheads think about us? Look at the map. We have 2 armored divisions sitting on the Saudi border, a few hours drive from the oil fields of the Arabian penninsula. We now have forces positioned on each side of Iran. Oil, or lack of it, is the only thing that will bring this country to it's knees. Our economy and entire way of life is totally dependent on it. Read these posts. We won't fight for oil, but we will fight for religion. We need something to stir us emotionally, to demonize our enemies before we fight them. That's human nature. Welcome to the first of the new oil wars. Stay tuned for the next chapter.

9/19/2006 08:08:00 AM  
Blogger John C. Wright said...

"Judging by his extremist positions against abortion and gay marriage..."

For those of you who do not speak the strange language of the Bizarro World of the Left, this sentence refers to the normal, healthy, sane, civilized precepts of chastity and marriage to which all Western powers accepted as the norm from the time of the Roman Empire until sometime after 1968. Got that? "Extreme" is now the meaningless swear word these people use to describe us, our fathers, our grandfathers.

And saying that spreading religion by violence is evil and inhuman merits the Bizarro World condemnation of "hatemonger." Got that?

The easy way to remember how to talk to the Left. What we call evil, they call good. But they promote evil in the same righteous tone as a dry state preacher railing against demon liquor.

9/19/2006 11:32:00 AM  
Blogger Pierre Legrand said...

Read these posts. We won't fight for oil, but we will fight for religion. We need something to stir us emotionally, to demonize our enemies before we fight them.
Demonize them? Perhaps you haven't been paying attention but 9/11 was all the statement I needed about whether our enemies are demons or not. But since our enemies like to be sure I understand they proceed to chop heads off and blow up my fellow citizens and they convienently give credit to Islam for their actions.

Since I tend to take my enemies word on why they do things I am puzzled because President Bush claims that their religion has been hijacked. I figure well that is easy enough to check lets see how their founder behaved...oops. Muhammed was not a nice person...who would have guessed. He also chopped off heads, lied, broke treaties, and involved himself in general thuggish behavior. Since the apple does not fall far from the tree it is no wonder that Islam is so violent.

Again Islam has been attacking the West since Islam was founded. Peak oil did not cause the Muslim holy warriors to attack and conquer North Africa, Palestine, Syria, Persia, much of Europe and the rest of it. Islam has been spread by the sword since it began. It is why the sword figures prominently on all of their flags.

If we completely ended our dependence on oil tomorrow the attacks would continue. If the world stopped consuming oil all that would happen is there would be less money availible...sadly for the west the money made already is more than enough to carry the wary forward.

9/19/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Blogger Aleista said...

sirius_sir said:

"When this tide turns it will turn 180 degrees, and... they will be engulfed by the very forces they now seek to employ."

Yes, torn to pieces by the very wolves they set loose upon the world.

I look forward to the day we can actually name the enemy, and finally get busy eliminating the pestilence. And the next person I hear calling it the Religion of Peace gets a sharp stick in the eye.

Of course, we must offer them a reasonable alternative to annilhilation: Reformation OR obliteration.

And, good luck with that.

9/19/2006 07:28:00 PM  

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