Phase 2
Iraq the Model and Publius Pundit both describe the political struggle to form a unity government in Iraq. Publius Pundit describes the main problem: Jaarari and the possible ascension to power by extremists that he represents.
The religious Shia UIA, which is the largest bloc in parliament, nominated Ibraham al-Jaafari as the candidate for prime minister. Being the largest bloc, they have the right to do so, but in order for him to win the position he must be approved by 66% vote by the entire assembly. Essentially this means that even though one bloc gets to pick the candidate, the choice must be agreeable to the rest of the Iraqi population at large so that one group does not dominate all the others.
However, every other party in parliament, including the two main Sunni parties, the Kurdish alliance, and the secular multi-confessional party led by Allawi disagree with Jaafari’s candidacy. Even more than that, the UIA faces splintering within its own party as Jaafari, who hails from the Dawa party, only won by a single vote due to the backing of the fundamentalist Sadrists. The SCIRI’s candidate for the UIA nomination, Adil Abdul-Mahdi, is popular with that half of alliance, including the many independents and smaller parties that make it up. He is also viewed as a moderate and a very acceptable choice for the premiership by the Sunni, Kurd, and secular blocs.
The sectarian killings over the last few weeks may have been perceived by the anti-Sadrists as a portent of fascism to come; that having nominated Jaafari by one vote, Sadrists may have felt their duty to the forms of democracy was done and that they were free to proceed with the regular course of tyranny unchecked. One man, one vote, one time.
The sectarian killings taking place on behalf of the Sadrists and other UIA affiliated militias are, in a sense, a threat to the others that Jaafari will become prime minister whether they like it or not. They want to keep power and will do anything it takes to keep it. This is why they have called the new Sunni-Kurd-secular umbrella group to bloc Jaafari’s nomination a coup. They have also asserted it to be Jaafari’s “right” to govern simply because they nominated him. This is why they no longer support America’s presence in the country — despite formerly being its staunchest supporters — because America no longer supports their monopoly on government.
The tension between Islamist factions and the rest of the political actors may also explain why the recent raid on a Sadrist headquarters was perceived by the Sadrists as a direct intervention by US forces in their power grab. Publius Pundit believes Jaafari by himself cannot withstand the American pressure. The only hope for his backers is to up the ante. "Now watch as Jaafari’s calls for Shia unity go unheard as real political pluralism and cooperation begin to unfold. The only problem now is what the isolated fundamentalist Shia will do with their militias once they lose power." Iraq the Model also suggests that the Islamic clerics would bring down the temple rather than surrender their prospects of an Islamic state. But he's not sure the clerics can pull it off.
Clerics like tyrants tend to bet on the 'street' and to have wrong estimations of how far this 'street' is willing to follow them in their fantasies; they think-just like Saddam convinced himself-that the people will explode like a raging volcano to fight for Allah and protect the faith but this is not true as history proven in more than an occasion and most of the 'soldiers' will seek shelter from harm except for a minority of enthusiasts (fanatics) who will fight until the last man.
I think the coming days will show a stiffer attitude on the end of the religious hardliners and this includes both Sunni and Shia and we will also be hearing more tense and inflammatory statements that will focus more on rejecting the American presence, not only in the form of the calls to deport or replace the ambassador like the ones we heard during Friday prayers but I'm afraid some clerics are preparing to declare Jihad as the American presence represent the major obstacle facing their dreams of a religious state.
Such declaration will no doubt find support from regional powers that are interested in seeing Iraq and America fail especially that America's failure in presenting a good example in Iraq will make America think a thousand time before trying to repeat the experiment anywhere else in the region. Some of those fanatics think this is the best time for them to seize the ground and move to next step of action and those do not put defeat in their considerations as death too is part of victory and there are more than a few verses in the Quran that makes them think this applies to them and that death or 'martyrdom' is another form of victory. Anyway, the white bearded old cleric will not feel anything for the death of the young he misleads, on the contrary, it is they who should be grateful for him for showing them the path to heaven.
Clerics are gathering and charging their followers with hatred to prepare them for a war; hatred towards anything that does not belong to their old school and this may also include provoking these followers against moderate politicians who will be denounced as cowards and betrayers of the faith.
At stake, therefore is not only the prestige of the Islamic clergy in Iraq but those of their international backers. Viewed properly, the political struggle in Iraq represents not only the rivalry between two ordinary political parties or candidates; it represents a fundamental constitutional question about which path the country will follow. In a new post, Iraq the Model updates his analysis and believes that a confrontation between the US and the fundamentalist Islamic clerics is becoming ever more likely.
On the other hand it seems that the radical elements have made up their mind to enter yet another confrontation, after putting redlines on some blocs and rejecting any discussion concerning replacing Jafari, today according to al-Arabiya TV, the Sadrists have issued a warning saying they will withdraw from the political process if Jafari is replaced by another candidate. By doing this, they are even opposing the majority opinion of the UIA as it's been made public that major powers inside the bloc gave Jafari a 3-day deadline as a last chance for him to try to convince the other blocs with his program and win their acceptance, otherwise he must step down. Of course this doesn't mean the Sadrists will withdraw to sit at home and watch others form a government but it means they will fight those who oppose their vision. In fact lately I've been hearing some Sdar followers say they predict a large-scale offensive to target Sadr city and the Mehdi Army soon and that the ranks of the Mehdi Army are kept at full alert to respond to any such offensive.
Commentary
The Strategy Page described the process through which first the Sunni insurgency was brought down.
After three years, the Sunni Arabs, who long dominated Iraq, most recently under the leadership of Saddam Hussein, are giving up. It took so long because of a quirk in Arab culture, one that encourages the support of lost causes. The term "cut your losses and move on" is not as popular in the Arab world as it is in the West. But even the slow learners in the Sunni Arab community had to finally confront some unfavorable trends. Chief among these was;
The Kurds and Shia Arabs have formed a national police force and army that is far more powerful than anything the Sunni Arab community can muster. Over the last year, Sunni Arabs realized that the police and army were in control of more and more Sunni Arab towns. This was a trend that could not be ignored. Added to that was the number of Kurds and Shia Arabs who had lost kin to Sunni Arab terror over the last three decades. Many of these people want revenge, and they all have guns. Many, especially those that belong to the police, or militias, are taking their revenge. The Sunni Arabs want protection, for they cannot muster enough guns to defend themselves. Now the Sunni Arabs want the Americans to stay, at least until there's some assurance that the Kurd and Shia Arab vengeance attacks have died down.
The alliance with al Qaeda was a disaster. These Islamic terrorists were obsessed with causing a civil war in Iraq, and they insisted on doing this by killing lots of Shia Arabs. The Sunni Arabs didn't want to kill lots of Shia Arabs, they wanted to rule them all once more. But that raised another contentious issue. While some Sunni Arabs were in favor of an Islam Republic, which al Qaeda insisted on, most Sunni Arabs wanted a more secular Sunni Arab dominated government. This dispute was never resolved, as the split between al Qaeda and the Sunni Arab community widened. At the moment, al Qaeda is not welcome in most Sunni Arab areas. That's "come near this place and we'll kill you" not welcome. This after al Qaeda tried to terrorize the Sunni Arab tribal leaders into compliance. Killing Sunni Arab tribal chiefs didn't work.
The BBC reports that a "leading Islamist" says Zarqawi has been replaced as the head of the insurgency, which lends collateral support to the Strategy Page analysis. The insurgency as an enterprise is not doing well, so they are restructuring the management.
Huthaifa Azzam, whose father was a mentor of Osama Bin Laden, said Zarqawi was replaced by an Iraqi two weeks ago. Mr Azzam claimed some were unhappy about Zarqawi's tactics and tendency to speak for the insurgency as a whole. However, experts say choosing an Iraqi as political leader is a tactic aimed at giving the insurgency an Iraqi face.
Michael Ware of Time Magazine has a contrary point of view. In an interview on March 22 said "Who’s winning from this war? Who is benefiting right now? Well, the main winners so far are al-Qaeda, which is stronger than it was before the invasion. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a nobody. Now he’s the superstar of international jihad." That may be wrong, but he also said, "And Iran, Iran essentially has a proxy government in place, a very, very friendly government. Its sphere of influence has expanded and any U.S. diplomat or seeing a military intelligence commander here, will tell you that. So that’s the big picture." Having discussed the fate of the Sunni insurgency, Ware's comment brings us to the second part of the equation: how the political confrontation with Iranian-backed proxies will fare.
In my own view, the Sunni insurgency is fundamentally finished. We have moved onto a second phase. The main effort now is the political struggle to form a unity government the principle roadblock to which is the desire by Islamist parties to monopolize power. This has led to a direct confrontation between the US and Iranian-backed elements within the Iraqi political scene as described by Publius Pundit and Iraq the Model and to a certain extent, by Michael Ware. While the coming confrontation will have violent aspects I don't believe it will be fundamentally military in character unless there is major foreign intervention. The religious militias do not seem to have the operational capability of the Sunni insurgents and have many powerful indigenous enemies. Any fight against them may well resemble a campaign against warlord armies and gangs and may be more politics than combat. That's my hope anyway.
Update
Austin Bay quotes Marc Ruel Gerecht on a possible roadmap for the political struggle.
We are now in the unenviable position of having to confront radicalized, murderous Shiite militias, who have gained broader Shiite support because of the Sunni-led violence and the lameness of U.S. counterinsurgency operations. The Bush administration would be wise not to postpone any longer what it should have already undertaken–securing Baghdad. This will be an enormously difficult task: Both Sunnis and Shiites will have to be confronted, but Sunni insurgents and brigands must be dealt with first to ensure America doesn’t lose the Shiite majority and the government doesn’t completely fall apart. Pacifying Baghdad will be politically convulsive and provide horrific film footage and skyrocketing body counts. But Iraq cannot heal itself so long as Baghdad remains a deadly place. And the U.S. media will never write many optimistic stories about Iraq if journalists fear going outside. To punt this undertaking down the road when the political dynamics might be better, and when the number of American soldiers in Iraq will surely be less, perhaps a lot less, is to invite disaster. The Iraqis and the Americans will either save or damn Iraq in the coming months. Quite contrary to the purblind charges of Michigan’s Democratic Sen. Carl Levin, the Iraqis really are doing their part–better than what anyone historically could have expected. The real question is, will Gen. Abizaid and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld do theirs?
Bill Roggio has more: A senior representative of SCIRI and confidant of Ayatollah Sistani calls for Jaafari to step down
104 Comments:
Wretchard, please expand on ITM's conjecture, and what it means in our future conduct of the Long War: America's failure in presenting a good example in Iraq will make America think a thousand time before trying to repeat the experiment anywhere else in the region.
Will we be going back to Clinton's Death from Above approach to war, as in Serbia and Op Desert Fox? The biggest threat to the overall GWoT is growing isolationism/anti-war sentiment here in the US. During the air wars of the 90's, there was no appreciable anti-war movement. Unless the democracy movement in Iraq suddenly takes on a healthy life of its own, I see ITM's statement as dependably prophetic.
On March 17, DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence sources in Baghdad revealed as a result of a discreet scan that almost 130 of the 275 candidates the Shiite Alliance posted for the December election were connected in some way or other with, or on the payroll of, the Iranian bodies pulling the wires of Iraqi politics from across the border.
Six Iraqi lawmakers elected on the United Iraqi Alliance ticket were identified as undercover “amid” officers – brigadier-generals - of the Iranian revolutionary guards and intelligence service. They used political fronts to disguise their undercover missions on behalf of the Islamic republic.
DEBKA-Net-Weekly reveals the names and functions of those six Iraqi politicians-cum-Iranian brigadier generals.
Abu Muchtabi Sari – former secretary general of the Iraqi Hizballah.
Abu Hassan Al Amari – the last commander of the Badr Force at its base in Iran.
Abu Mahdi al Muhandis – former Badr Force officer.
Rajah Alwan - former Badr Force officer.
Dager Moussawi – Head of the Lord of the Martyrs Movement, which Iran’s military intelligence established in the Shiite regions of central and southern Iraq. (Lord in the Shiite sense refers to the holy Imam Hussein)
Tahsin Aboudi – a high-ranking Iraqi interior ministry official, under which cover - and as an Iraqi member of parliament - he is aan undercover brigadier general of Iran’s external intelligence service, which is operated by the foreign ministry in Tehran.
Given the subversive nature of the high and mighty of Shiite politics, it is hardly surprising that obstacles are being piled up against the formation of a Shiite-led coalition government. The problem runs a lot deeper than sectarian disagreement over a prime minister. Most of the key players know exactly whom they are dealing with, behind the facades of Shiite Iraqi politicians and officials. Their resistance is not just focused on prime minister Jaafari, but aimed at thwarting the rise in Baghdad of a government that is a stooge of Iranian intelligence.
.
.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1155
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Tony,
The 90's huh?
I guess if you include Desert Storm one could argue, but I think it misses the bigger point:
They were Democrat wars.
More than that,
They were BUBBA'S WARS!
How could we not love that?
Mat,
1. Install a US Colonial Govt in Pakistan.
2. Install Musharoff in Baghdad!
Doug,
Install new management at the DoS. This info shouldn't be exclusive to Debka. I won't bother with a comment regards CNN, BBC, and the rest of the Entertainment Networks peddling themselves as NEWS organizations.
Brain fade: DoS?
http://www.state.gov
Mat,
Full Blooded Americans (ahem) refer to it as the "State Dept."
---
Eggplant,
But then again, not everyone is a nightshade plant.
...or even an Israeli plant, as are some.
Doug,
Is that Hispanic for "Foggy Bottom"? An inquiring Pinus wants to know.
- The complicated nature of Iraqi politics at this early stage of their newly formed government is a positive sign. Already, checks and balances begin to emerge as the various factions vie for power.
- Sometimes government gridlock provides opportunities for commerce that don't exist in a more stifling environment. Still, providing security is critical and lacking now in Bagdad.
- Thugs like Sadr and Jafaari will have an increasingly difficult time accumulating enough support to tyrannize their political opponents.
- Democracy is an amazing thing if it is given an opportunity to manifest itself.
- The Iraqi population is proving itself to be more politically savvy than almost anyone could have expected.
- Despite all the negatives in Iraq, there is still a glimmer of hope for Joe Iraqi that a government by and for the people will emerge.
Don't be Pinus Head!
"a"
"In this scenario, the point of maximum danger is likely to occur when Moqtada al Sadr and his Iranian backers finally understand that Sistani won't rally to their side or knuckle under to their combined pressure"
---
GWB should sent a note to the mad Mullahs informing them that they either get in line or watch themselves and their extended families turning into toast.
Mətušélaḥ said...
"discreet scan that almost 130 of the 275 candidates the Shiite Alliance posted for the December election were connected in some way or other with, or on the payroll of, the Iranian bodies pulling the wires of Iraqi politics from across the border."
wet ops....
time to play "turnabout"
Doug,
Twaz just a little Conehead humor. :)
It's too bad that the Iranians don't believe in the old testament. That David (Iranian navy) vs Goliath (US Navy) thing could have quite a recruiting value for a while.
Test that cavitation special boys. Send that message to the Great Satan.
Mat, twat was that?
---
Finally!
Rush had a sister of one of the pilots on.
There is no longer a problem in Iraq that can be solved by the US military. There is a severe internal political problem in Iraq and a less lethal, but equally difficult political problem in the US.
1. The Problem of Timing. The US public has a difficult time supporting a long military process it does not understand. Iraq has a difficult time supporting anything that has not proved itself with a lot of time. There is not enough time to keep America engaged and not enough time to convince Iraq that America will stay.
2. Credibility. The US public supported the defeat of the Nazis. It supported the Cold War for over forty years. It did so because Churchill and Roosevelt were articulate and ruthless in the definition of the enemy. There was no nonsense about Nazism being a "hijacked peaceful political system." Bush had been a catastrophic failure at defining the enemy and the objective in a credible and honest fashion. Does anyone in the Belmont Club believe " Islam is a peaceful religion?" Neither do the American people. They know it is BS and they wonder what else is. Listen to the speeches of Churchill and Roosevelt. They believed what they said and could articulate what they thought. Bush has not served his own cause.
3. Value of The Mission. If the Iraqis will not stand up and fight their own fight, one has to ask what do they believe in? Should Americans be more willing to fight and die and pay for something that the Iraqis will not? The majority of Americans have come to the conclusion that the fight and even a win are not worth it. Is the mission understandable and is it worth it? The majority thinks not.
4. Changing Events and Priorities. Many Americans have become convinced there are other countries and threats to US interest as important or more so than Iraq. They include:
a. A nuclear Iran.
b. Out of control illegal immigration.
c. Chinese expansion.
d. Putin and a resurgent Russian Empire.
e. Pakistan and unrest in the western tribal areas.
f. Afghanistan and problems with narco-terrorism
and a resurgent Taliban.
g. The failure to catch OBL.
h. A nuclear North Korea.
i. US dependence on foreign oil.
Timing is everything in politics, romance and foreign ventures. The best opportunities in Iraq were missed and misplayed. It is time to get competent leadership, redefine a sensible and achievable strategy and be frank and honest with the American people.
Excellent post again, 2164th!
RoP
and
"All of them are good hard working Americans, taking jobs Americans WON'T do."
---
Two Cracked Pots, and the one Made in Mexico is being shoved down our throat, or up the other end, perhaps.
---
A guy with a heavy accent on Savage who said he knew from dealing with them, that your "ruthlessness" was job one in Iraq.
Any sign of weakness immediately brings them on like wolves.
" I hope this terrorism stuff calms down..."
---
Understatement of the Solanaceae Order.
Doug,
Indeed, twat was that. Me got some Q tips for that Johnson wax.
Eggplant, you deserve a long life for compassion and optimism. And thank you Doug for your kind words.
2164,
Name one instant when Churchill spoke against the Soviets during WW2.
"From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia, all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, and all are subject in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and, in some cases, increasing measure of control from Moscow. Athens alone -- Greece with its immortal glories -- is free to decide its future at an election under British, American and French observation. The Russian-dominated Polish Government has been encouraged to make enormous and wrongful inroads upon Germany, and mass expulsions of millions of Germans on a scale grievous and undreamed-of are now taking place. The Communist parties, which were very small in all these Eastern States of Europe, have been raised to pre-eminence and power far beyond their numbers and are seeking everywhere to obtain totalitarian control. Police governments are prevailing in nearly every case, and so far, except in Czechoslovakia, there is no true democracy"..Winston Churchill at Westminster College in Fulton, Missouri on March 5, 1946
"It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma." —British Prime Minister Winston Churchill speaking about Russia in 1939
""Keeping the peace consisted of driving the poor people away from civilization as far as I could tell."
---
Fox just drives 'em north, into the welcoming arms of the "conservative" WSJ/Socialist/Corrupt-Business crowd, to deal off on the lazy Americans who WON'T do an honest days work.
2164,
That can equally describe a McDonalds burger.
danmyers,
Later, the JFK Speeches:
"Bear any Burden, Pay Any Price"
(except for an extra quarter for Lettuce, to bring it up do date.)
7:50 PM,
Showing that off-centrism side of yours, Pinus Head.
(What I meant to say before was:
That twas TWAT?)
In point of fact, Churchill was not fond of Russia, Churchill did subscribe to the wisdom in "The enemy of of enemy is my friend." Churchill, like many great men had many flaws, cutting his nose to spite his face was not one of them. He was determined to focus on the common enemy, Nazism which he discribed as "the deadly, drilled, docile, brutish masses of the Hun soldiery plodding on like a swarm of crawling locusts".Compare that to George Bush defining 'Islam as a religion of peace".
Mətušélaḥ is that with or without cheese?
"crawling locusts"
That woulda Terrified Eggplant!
Mat,
Savage said some of the blonde Jews were the result of raped young Jewish girls who always raised their children when continued life made that possible.
---
True?
God, the Hybrid Vigor!
(I love her for her Brains!)
It is true that there was little heard from Churchill being critical of Stalin. Churchill was single minded in saving Britain and focusing on the Nazis. If that meant inducing the Americans and defering to the Soviets, so be it. We was often criticised for not being critical of Stalin. He once responded to some of his crtics" with humor, "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would at least make a favourable reference to the Devil".
BBC reports 'Tom Delay not Running".
2164,
Cheese? Is that what they named it. Mark one for US diplomacy. Should keep the French happy. Doug just likes the smell of cheese.
"He once responded to some of his crtics" with humor,"
---
There was no shortage of that with Winston:
To wit: Your example.
...just too witty, Winston was.
After three glasses of cabernet, I find it irksome to use spell checking. My apologies.
8:12 PM,
My Jewish Cardiologist made me swear off of it.
(just a whiff, Doc, Ok?)
---
Code word: lox
rufus,
Always the oppo:
So what?
Answer the Question!
Master Race X Master Race
Doug,
You now trying to call me a Mongrel?!! I'll have you know I'm 100% Kosher certified. I even get first dibs on reading the Torah, being a Cohen (High Priest) and all.
Nah, sometimes your Nazi side shows a bit tho.
oops, that's Larsen describing ME!
Anybody who does not turn to the East Six times a Day and Salute the WSJ Building is a Nazi!
On a more serious note, has anyone in the Bush Administartion noticed what is happening in South America while we are making the world safe for Shia? Venezuela, Bolivia and Peru have made a sharp leftward shift. Columbia is worse. Nicaragua unstable and Brazil, Argentina and Chile have shifted left. I guess it is no real problem. We have the Southern US border locked down. It certainly is not as porous as say the Syrian Iraq border. We should not worry about future waves of refugees do you think?
Great, now I'm a god damn Socialist!
I think I like Pinus Head more and more now.
You could just tan up good and join the
New Socialist Workers Party here:
Work all Day for 3 Bucks.
2164th 8:29 PM,
---
Desert Rat was doing a pretty good job of updating us on that, don't know if you saw any of those, or where he's gone.
He served in Panama for Reagan.
(and the rest of us, of course)
That would really make me a Pinus Head, wouldn't it?
I did a little work in the area myself, I would enjoy reading Rat's take.
rufus,
Mat already answered it, in person!
The one about the master race cross.
Yeah, Bring back the 'Rat.
Last seen at Roggio's.
(and the archives here, of course, but you have to weed through mat's duff.)
---
Time for me to stop this nonsense, wish yourselves luck.
Scarier yet Mətušélaḥ,
it is an anagram for "Hide Anus P", which may or may not have cryptological significance
2164
Oh it does. I already told you Doug has a fetish for the smell of cheese.
i will find something excrutiatingly boring on c-span so I can sleep. Niteawl !
One to midnight here. Time to go poof.
" From a rival sovereign upstart troll to a rebel with an army, twice, to a member of parliament and Iranian puppet to - almost - a kingmaker: the next quasi-victory will be the worst."
---
Puts Hitler's Timeline to Shame.
Andy McCarthy (corner)
"I am not a student of military history, so please understand that I do not mean this as a flippant or rhetorical question. Is it common to try to strike a final political solution under circumstances where the enemy hasn't been defeated yet, hasn't surrendered, hasn't sought a truce, and is still fighting to win? If the answer to that question is "no," then aren't we putting the cart before the horse if we are allowing the local politics to exert too much influence over combat operations?"
As Good as it Gets:
Turns out, Fox was it.
The next guy running for president makes Fox look like a Pro-American Conservative, and is getting huge support from Hugo Chavez.
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Headline You'll Never See:
McKinney not Wearing Her Pin
The 51-year-old McKinney scuffled with a police officer on March 29 when she entered a House office building without her identifying lapel pin and did not stop when asked. Several police sources said the officer, who was not identified, asked her three times to stop. When she kept going, he placed a hand somewhere on her and she hit him, according to the officials.
Trish,
re: Fareed Zakaria
Good for WHAT?
You're for importing sub high-school graduates who rally with the Mexican Flag to show their patriotism?
Who fill our prisons.
Who form our largest gangs?
"La Raza" is the LARGEST "Hispanic" organization in this country:
Should we encourage the KKK to become the next largest?
(Have at it Bud: I'm a Nazi and all the rest of the labels that you "Conservatives" have learned paste on us who proclaim the FACTS.)
wretchard quoted:
"Now watch as Jaafari’s calls for Shia unity go unheard as real political pluralism and cooperation begin to unfold. The only problem now is what the isolated fundamentalist Shia will do with their militias once they lose power."
It could go either way: either they cooperate or they keep fighting. In Lebanon the various factions kept fighting for a long time. What indicators do you see that prompts you to believe that they will choose cooperation over righteous confrontation? The Sunni insurgency seems to burble along, just another faction willing to allow the US to fight for them and if the US doesn't fight for them then they'll fight the occupier...or do both at the same time. Where is US interest in all this?
Perhaps Iraqi parliatmentarians must betray their leaders, or else Iraqi "democracy" will never be better than that of Lebanon.
dan:
Sadr needs to be corralled, of that there is no doubt. There are literally hundreds of "religious" leaders of the Isalmic persuasion that need like treatment. They are the ones fomenting violence, duping their followers, putting them and others at risk. I can't think of a better person to "use as an example".
The larger problem is an Iraqi constitution that recognizes Islam as the state religion. Thus putting power in the hands of men who claim their purposes to be the will of Allah.
Without a separation, thereby keeping the influence & authority of the state out of the hands of these madmen, the task of controlling the mad mullahs becomes gopher smash.
Well Ash, I can think of two present reasons and one future reason.
In the present: the US military and emerging Iraqi army.
In the future, an effective Iraqi police force.
There's a pretty good defense of administration's tactics, by a staff guy, here. Yep, it's pretty broad-brush, but does make a case for a long perspective.
Buddy, thanks for the link and I read the article. While I would agree with Mr. Wehner that it is desirable to "...change the Arab Middle East." and that "Democracy and the accompanying rise of political and civic institutions are the only route to a better world" but I would disagree with the notion that invading and occupying Iraq is a good (or even possible) means of acheiving this goal.
Assume, for the sake of argument, that a 1 party system would be a better means of conducting democracy then our 2 party system. Would the Chinese enhance the chance of your accepting this notion by invading and occupying America or would that hinder your chances of entertaining that idea?
If some dictator and his sons were running an hereditary tyranny out of DC, and among other things creating a share of global terrorism aimed primarily at the destruction of the Chinese people, then the answer is "yes", Ash.
Context, my friend, context. There is a realty outside our cleverest verbal formulations.
And outside of the busy trade in new and existing home sales inside that realty, there is a "reality".
Hey, Rufus, that might've been another Freudian Slip--you know, keep getting attacked, keep getting encroached, and in 50 years the USA as 'realty' is as hot a market as Sudan.
While this thread's topic is Iraqi politics, that's sort of like talking about the beaches and roads on Guadalcanal, there's gonna be a lot more to follow. Here's an article that lays out the larger war, making clear that Iraq is not an "unnecessary war" but more like the Guadalcanal of a long Pacific Campaign-style war:
Islam’s Imperial Dreams
----------------
In that larger war, Iran's recent claims of a stealthy, ballistic missile ARE barbra streisand. From ThreatWatch: "Minister Konstantin Kosachyov, the chairman of the Russian State Duma International Affairs Committee, also cast doubt on the wild (and vague) claims made by the Iranians regarding last week’s missile test announcement. “So far we have nothing except the assertion by the Iranian military and by politicians that it is superior to other similar missiles, but I see no reason to believe these statements.”
Patriot, Standard and Arrow should be able to handle these, unless they do that cool trick the Iraqi Scuds did years ago, and break up in flight.
Dan, it is not a limb that I would want to walk very far out on, but a 1 party system could be considered 'more democratic' in that each representative would simply represent his/her consituents and not have to cast votes based on partisan posturing but rather on the issues alone. A one party system could also be construed as a no party system.
Buddy, your argument seems to revolve around removing a tyrant as opposed to Wehner's install a democracy argument.
Ash, how to build a democracy while the tyrant is still in charge?
Ash, I sent in a comment to that Wehner essay, which they posted.
That's my feeling on it. A hot potato is damned hard to hold onto, but if you toss it in the dumpster, you may soon be sorry, assuming you had some reason to bake it in the first place.
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Buddy, it is a challenge. Romania, Poland and Ukraine are a few examples of people rising up. Trying to get democracy up and running from 'outside' is certainly an even tougher nut to crack. I would suggest that international institutions like the ICC, if further developed and given teeth, could be a better way to deal with genocidal tyrants then America going it alone...ok, ok, they had a small coalition. I wish I had an easy answer for encouraging folks to nurture democracy reined in by a bill of rights. Clearly the idea of voting is a widely popular activity in Iraq but an understanding of limits on power of those who 'win' doesn't seem to have taken hold.
Ash, is your 1:46 posting a glimpse at your fall back position?
Are you know retreating from the POV that says promoting democracy is, in and of itself, wrong to a position that says "well, it's ok to promote democracy as long as America doesn't do it."?
What is diagnostic about your post is the inclusion of ICC. By intimating that this organization could somehow do a better job of helping the ME transition from slavery to freedom are you showing an anti american bias?
It sure seems that way to this reader.
It's key, tho, Ash, that "going it alone" *before* trying, and being rebuffed by many counter-interests including the frankly criminal, is a whole differnt animal than just going it alone from the get-go, out of cowboy hubris. The former is much closer to the reality of the situation than the latter.
Maybe as we get closer to 2008, and it becomes less needful for the out-party to discredit a (lame-duck) incumbent, the national debate can come closer to right action on world-historical issues, having become able to finally drop the domestic-politics propaganda--the creating of secondary reality--in favor of actual analysis of primary reality.
A one party system could also be construed as a no party system --or a 300,000,000 party system.
With two parties (and two only, not one nor three) politics, which is a lesser-of-two-evils proposition, becomes coherent, as millions of individual "parties" align with their own lesser of two evils, and must compromise, coordinate and communicate within that party, in order to win the leadership job.
So, the nature of the thing is replicated in all its fractals, just like Nature does it in creating new beings.
You compromise with your own nature, take the compromised creation to the party of like compromises.
Then when one side wins, the other side is back with its own human nature, with time, before the next regularly-scheduled replay, to ponder why it didn't win.
All compromise, all the time. It's how to clear the jungle, and build the shining city on the hill.
In the USA, the two main parties struggle mightily to win the votes of the majority category of voters: registered Independents.
It occurs that Iran is using Russian technology to advertise an alliance that the Russians would rather be kept secret.
They must be desperate.
That stealth boat the Iranians showed on TV today is reminiscent of 50's/60's X-planes in this country, which were probably modeled on German designs from the 30's/40's.
They appear to be barking like a scared dog.
Go to work for "Dateline", Dan--it means never having to be embarrassed.
Wretchard has done, is doing his usual excellent job of teasing apart the tactical situation.
For all of our worries, it sure is a tame democratic revolution, and I wager their first 30 years (in retrospect) will be spectacularly better (in all ways) than, say, the French revolution. Or Franco's Spain.
trish:
We still haven't shaken Germany or Korea off our leg.
With Hugo Chavez nationalizing the oilfields, and others watching to see if they can complete a state takeover trifecta with Hugo and Yukos (now bending even Yushchenko to Russian will), and Iran racing toward somebody's oblivion, I don't see how we can possibly leave knowing what is in store for the Iraqi government from a like-interest de-facto coalition including not only AQ and the terror groups, but also Hugo, Fidel, a couple others in the western Hemi, the new-nationalist fair-weather friend Putin, and every other oil-seller with nothing but treasure in mind.
I know, oil, oil, oil. But so goes access at tolerable prices, so goes national economies, the hopes and dreams of their peoples--and their willingness to go to big war.
So, who will keep the market ordered and open? Only the Coalition, and whoever leads it. And maybe not even that.
Competing with Iran over Iraq is a mistake. Let Iran and the Saudi entity compete over Iraq. Should they get too far out of line, just remind them we have the GPS coordinates of their palaces.
Good or bad, I really don't know of the significance of this. But the Sleeping Buddha is awaking.
Buddy Larsen said..."With Hugo Chavez nationalizing the oilfields, and others watching to see if they can complete a state takeover trifecta with Hugo and Yukos (now bending even Yushchenko to Russian will), and Iran racing toward somebody's oblivion..."
Buddy, nationalizing the oilfields is just one part of Chavez' plan to "restyle" Venezuela with '21st century Socialism'. I have a four part series on my blog where I address the topic. It's the Road to Serfdom series. Several more installments are forthcoming.
As for collaboration between Iranian mullahs and Hurricane Hugo, I suggested several weeks ago that this is a Clerical Error.
Finally, I dont know what is in Putin's mind regarding all of this, but I do know that one of his leading economic advisers, one Andrei Illarionov, has recently offered a devastating critque of Venezuela's experiment in "state capitalism" I commented on that in the fourth post of the series.
Enjoy!
Man, I'm not sure if there's any such thing as coincidence in any of this.
International A.N.S.W.E.R is apparently behind those big immigrant marches, and plan big ones for May 1st. Mayday, the Commie holiday.
Congresslady from Georgia Cynthia McKinney is as Red as they come, and has managed to get herself busted for walloping a cop and is now rabblerousing over "racism", the permanent-motivation word of A.N.S.W.E.R.
Mexico's presidential election this summer, and the Commie, AMLO, is neck-in-neck with Fox's PAN candidate.
Iran is on the 30-day UN countdown, and didn't the mullahs threaten three big diversions in the run-up to their bomb?
Info on ANSWER/Mayday and the Mexico elections.
SDHunter, you must be a Von Mises economist--the website has an email service--I just found it--it may be old news--where a sign-up gets their latest papers to your inbox. Good stuff, too.
Buddy,
first learned about Hayek and von Mises from a Sr. engineer at Boeing where I worked right out of college in the mid-80's. Like 90% of black Americans I was born into a Democratic household. It took years but the "libetarian" seeds planted in my early professional career did eventually bear fruit.
thanks for the ANSWER/Mayday/Mexico links.
I don't how the admin could be working any harder--I don't think Condi Rice has been in the country but to say hi/bye for the last half-year.
She has gone to literally every capital with an iron in the fire, and has never faltered a step, despite a lot of nasty heckling.
It's been a bravura, presidential-caliber performance.
Larsen,
The wise speak of the imperishable tree, which has its roots above and branches below. It's a surrealistic vision, but true metaphor. We are accustomed to a very different kind of reality, exactly the opposite of the one thus described. Hence are perceptions deceptive.
The update with al Sadr asking Jafaari to step down is... "interesting."
It's incredibly good, in that what could be seen as a loss of his political power instead is being accepted and encouraged by the man himself.
It's a little frightening, because this guy always seems to have something up his sleeve.
SDHunter, it was because he was black that I a young Carterite in the 70s started reading the "turn-coat economist" Thomas Sowell. I was going to find out what was his game, with this "liberal plantation" talk. Soon enough, he had yanked me up and outta the fever-swamp and tossed me up onto dry land, he'd made a new Reaganite. Years ago, and he's still going strong. Sen. Kennedy's worst nightmare, bless him.
Mika, when you get into your 50s, everything is hallucinatory. Dumb, deaf, daft and drooling, living in a smeared impressionist world of strange sights and sudden sounds, grateful for basic things like consciousness, and not getting clockwork-oranged by the kids too often.
I agree with FEE:
"...Never Forget Arab political culture is, and will remain, astonishingly ruthless by American standards for quite some time."
Yes. I wonder if it's causing them to take a close look at themselves. Since, the Americans have pull back things have gotten bloody - and it's Islam v. Islam.
But, I remember seeing the films from Korea with both the North and South Korean police stations having bodies out front (both sides were taking revenge). It took some time for things to get stabilized in South Korea. So, may be we are being a little too judgemntal at this point.
If the Debka report's are close to true, then I agree with Dan:
"Arrest Sadr - the warrant pre-text if you have to - and hit Sadr's army. If you hit the army hard enough, the other parties will feel comfortable rising against or better backing away and allowing the "Iraqi Army" to do its job defending the Constitution..."
With Sadr neutralized things would be a more stable and it would send a message to Iranians. In fact, Iran may be the biggest problem now. Is it time for a few 'Col. Lansdale' induced accidents happen in Iran and to Iranian operatives?
Iraq can be a very dangerous place for Iranian operatives. There are drive-by's all the time. And, those rocket powered torpedos can explode at any moment. Some of you remember that Russian sub Kursk that sank in 2000? ...the Russian nuclear submarine K-141 Kursk sank mysteriously with 118 people on board in 354 feet of the icy waters of the Barents Sea. Forty-nine elite Russian submarine officers, 36 more than is customarily part of the ships complement, were aboard the Russian Oscar ll Class submarine that day to witness something big....the firing of the improved VA-111 Shkval (Squall) Underwater torpedo Missile -- an incredible undersea weapon, that when launched, rockets underwater at a speed over 200 mph...
Those rocket torpedos can be very dangerous
I am not suggesting that we sink a few of those with a some well placed munitions - but, accidents do happen. If a few Irainian war toys started to pop they may just redirect they attention to problems within their own territory.
ledger's submarine/Squall link is fascinating--a Tom Clancy-ish read--
Atomic SEO I really like this blog when I first signed up here i wasn't sure were to post...
Atomic SEO I really like this blog when I first signed up here i wasn't sure were to post...
Street Fights were great i suggest anyone to go take a look...
Hey you have a very good blog.
If by any chance you need weight loss help check out by blog: Weight Loss Tips
Post a Comment
<< Home