Friday, April 04, 2008

Mexicanos prefieren a Hillary

In the book, Wisdom of Crowds, author James Suroweicki argues that "under the right circumstances, groups are remarkably intelligent, and are often smarter than the smartest people in them". If so then what is it that Mexicans see among US Presidential candidates that would make them prefer Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to John McCain by a large margin? An article taken from the Mexican paper El Universal reports that a large majority of Mexicans believe that either of the two Democratic candidates will be more more willing than John McCain to push "immigration reform", a issue on which the Senator from Arizona was criticized by members of his own party.

The key insight of the Mexican poll respondents may be that in choosing a Presidential candidate, US voters are not only selecting an individual but a political party. Therfore while McCain is seen by many Republican voters to be "soft" on Mexican immigration, a President McCain would be held back far more effectively by his own party than would Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. This much is straighforward.

The more interesting question is why Hillary Clinton should be preferred to Barack Obama. There was no question in the poll taken to answer this question explicitly, but El Universal believes the Mexican preference for Clinton stems from a belief that Obama will favor African-Americans over Latinos in minority issues. The fear that Obama would play favorites trumped a belief that Clinton was more likely to renegotiate NAFTA than Obama, while John McCain was unlikely to renegotiate it at all. In other words, immigration policy and minority preferences in the US were more important than trade in shaping Mexican attitudes towards US Presidential candidates.

Of course one shouldn't draw too many inferences from a poll taken in Mexico. But since it is widely argued that one of the tasks of the next President to "fix" America's image in the world, it's probably pertinent to ask what that image actually is, not just in France or Germany, but south of the border, down Mexico way.

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Blogger Peter Grynch said...

Perhaps since Mexican immigrants rarely follow the rules, NAFTA is not an issue for them. Immigration reform affecting their cousin Raol in San Diego is the major concern.

Mexico has enourmous natural resources, but the state-run oil company PEMEX is so corrupt and inefficient that Mexico may become a net importer of light crude by 2010.

The danger for America is that John McCain will read the Hillary poll and move even more towards open borders.

4/04/2008 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger ricpic said...

The Mexicans correctly sense that the Dems hate America, too.

4/04/2008 05:51:00 PM  
Blogger watimebeing said...

Agree with the grynch, NAFTA is a non issue for the average Mexican citizen. However, as porous as the border is and likely will remain (despite the magical fence) the types of reforms likely to make life better or harder for undocumented Mexican nationals currently visiting their cousins in (choose your city here) are the kinds of reforms (Motor-Voter, Visa reform) likely to be pursued by a Republican Administration opposed to a Democrat one. Of course a net nothing will happen in a Democrat led house and senate (which was true about Republican legislative domination until recently as well), no matter who is president.

McCain is unlikely to change stance on open borders (how much more open can they be?). But I can foresee the same reform bill minus all the fine print and without the fancy self defeating processes, gathering a lot more support. But again such a bill would never make it through a Democrat dominated legislative body. Which explains why none of the candidates has a plurality of support from our southern cousins.

4/04/2008 05:58:00 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

The growth of Las Vegas Nevada in the previous two decades has been driven by migration people relocating beginning around the country to a metropolitan area that is increasing every year alike
Las Vegas Nevada
. With the growth has move towards another boom: a noteworthy swell in the foreign-born population. Flanked By 1990 and 2000, the foreign-born inhabitants in Las Vegas Nevada grew by 250%. Roughly one out of every five people (18%) was foreign-born in the year 2000, double the rate as in 1990. The number of persons who speak English either not healthy or not at all amplified almost five-fold, and the number who speak Spanish in Las Vegas Nevada increased by on the subject of 300%. The impact of this demographic revolutionize, skilled above a tiny era of point in time, can be seen in the examination results. Amongst the case-swot cities, Las Vegas Nevada is closest to Phoenix in its acuity of immigrants and immigration. Significant majorities in both cities name immigration as either a extremely big problem (36% in Las Vegas) or moderately big problem (28% in Las Vegas). In Las Vegas, only traffic overcrowding position upper than immigration as a local problem. A majority in Las Vegas Nevada (54%) say immigrants starting Latin America be to themselves and do not try to fit in; that shape is the maximum in the middle of pencil case-swot up cities and notably higher than for the nation as a whole (45%).
Vis-à-vis seven-in-ten (68%) say they "over and over again" move towards into
contact with immigrants who do not speak English, significantly upper than the national rate.A majority in Las Vegas Nevada (54%) says most immigrants in the U.S. are illegal and almost two-thirds (64%) say mainly people who boast recently moved here are illegal both radically upper statistics than in the national survey. On immigration guidelines questions, folks in Las Vegas Nevada are divided, as is the civic nationwide. About four-in-ten (38%) believe illegal immigrants now in the U.S must be permitted to stay; 27% favor requiring all illegals to homecoming home; and 26% favor allowing some to stay under a temporary employee program. On an issue of restricted anxiety, almost short of Las Vegas Nevada residents (49%) say they favor management-sponsored hiring centers for day laborers, still as 38% oppose the Las Vegas Nevada day labor

4/04/2008 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger dla said...

I think it is a little simpler than that. Mexico is socialist. Hillary is socialist. Therefore Hillary is the more favorable Mexican candidate. After she exits the race in America she knows she has a job in Mexico.

What is Obama? Nobody knows in the US, let alone Mexico.

4/04/2008 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

I do not think our next President needs to fix our "image" in France or in Germany or in Russia, and most certainly not in Mexico.

Anyone who does think our image needs to be "fixed" is undoubtedly related to Cindy Sheehan, has asked "why do they hate us?", and has made a life's habit out of apologizing to everyone about everything.

In other words, they're a progressive liberal Democrat and can safely be ignored as unimportant, naive and an overeducated idiot.

If ANYthing needs to be fixed, it's Mexico's image in the U.S. (and France's and Germany's). Why doesn't someone worry a little bit about that?

BTW, if Bush gets the fence pushed through and built before he leaves office, then that will paint McCain into a nice little corner vis-a-vis his love of all things swarthy. Not to mention the Dem him and her -- whadda they gonna do if one of them wins? Tear it own?

4/04/2008 10:38:00 PM  
Blogger NahnCee said...


4/04/2008 10:39:00 PM  
Blogger Bob said...

Probably just not repair it.

4/04/2008 11:45:00 PM  
Blogger watimebeing said...

Excellent question nahncee,

"BTW, if Bush gets the fence pushed through and built before he leaves office-- whadda they gonna do(vis a vis the border)?

Oh, I could give a topo's behind about image.

Start with visa reform, and tracking , end with...,

4/05/2008 01:42:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Roots of Latino/black anger

Longtime prejudices, not economic rivalry, fuel tensions.
By Tanya K. Hernandez, Tanya K. Hernandez is a professor of law at Rutgers University Law School.

THE ACRIMONIOUS relationship between Latinos and African Americans in Los Angeles is growing hard to ignore.
(except for Tony Villar, Political Whore Bratton, and the Reconquista Board of Criminals)

Although last weekend's black-versus-Latino race riot at Chino state prison is unfortunately not an aberration, the Dec. 15 murder in the Harbor Gateway neighborhood of Cheryl Green, a 14-year-old African American, allegedly by members of a Latino gang, was shocking.

Yet there was nothing really new about it. Rather, the murder was a manifestation of an increasingly common trend:
Latino ethnic cleansing of African Americans from multiracial neighborhoods.

Just last August, federal prosecutors convicted four Latino gang members of engaging in a six-year conspiracy to assault and murder African Americans in Highland Park. During the trial, prosecutors demonstrated that African American residents (with no gang ties at all) were being terrorized in an effort to force them out of a neighborhood now perceived as Latino.

For example, one African American resident was murdered by Latino gang members as he looked for a parking space near his Highland Park home. In another case, a woman was knocked off her bicycle and her husband was threatened with a box cutter by one of the defendants, who said, "You niggers have been here long enough."

At first blush, it may be mystifying why such animosity exists between two ethnic groups that share so many of the same socioeconomic deprivations...

4/05/2008 05:03:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

One reason is Tony Villar, who has spent almost as much time on the road w/Hillary as he has in LA.
Both he, and Democrat members of Calif's representatives have no objection to the reconquista movement.
Call Tony's office, and you get Spanish, with an option later to press 1 for English.
Ethnic Cleansing of LA Continues Apace:
Gang member is charged in football player's slaying 03/12/2008 - A 19-year-old gang member just released from jail was charged Tuesday with the killing of Jamiel Shaw Jr., the same day family and friends poured into a funeral home to mourn the loss of the rising football star and popular high school student.

Official: L.A. athlete shooting suspect may be in U.S. illegally 03/22/2008 -

Immigration officials say the suspected Los Angeles street gang member charged in the shooting death of a high school football star may have been in the country illegally.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Virginia Kice said Saturday her agency has filed an immigration hold against 19-year-old Pedro Espinoza.

The hold means Espinoza will be transferred into her agency's custody for possible deportation when he leaves local custody.

Espinoza was released from jail in an assault case the day before the March 2 killing of 17-year-old Jamiel Shaw Junior.

4/05/2008 05:17:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

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4/05/2008 05:19:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

One of Obamas many lies was claiming that hate crimes against Latinos have "skyrocketed."

Newsweek checked the Govt Stats he referenced, and found they had DECLINED!
Barry has NO Problem selling out inner city blacks if he thinks it will gain him an electoral advantage.

4/05/2008 05:20:00 AM  
Blogger RattlerGator said...

The more interesting question is why Hillary Clinton should be preferred to Barack Obama.

Come on, now. What Latin community do you know in the Americas that has elevated one of their Black citizens to any top political job? Very few, if any.

There was no question in the poll taken to answer this question explicitly, but El Universal believes the Mexican preference for Clinton stems from a belief that Obama will favor African-Americans over Latinos in minority issues.

Yeah, right. Latin communities like to insist that they don't have racial issues but they have bigger racial issues than we do. This is true in Europe, too.

I want to make a point that may be one of semantics but . . . the Mexican preference isn't about their fear that African Americans will be favored by Obama. They've kinda sorta made a deal with one of the plantation masters to be number one on the plantation.

The institutionalized dysfunction among the Democrats and the obedience of the Congressional Black Caucus means that no one has given voice to the very real African American concern regarding the overwhelming influx of Latinos.

It isn't just white folks who are deeply concerned about this!

The Mexicans prefer Hillary Clinton because the Clinton's' have made their choice very clear by essentially asking, Quentin Tarantino-like, "You my nig?"

"Si, senor. Si, senorita" has been their response. Admittedly, this has been a pretty smart play by a desperate and tenacious political machine and by the Mexicans too.

The Clinton's saw the handwriting on the wall in South Carolina. They knew there was going to be a stampede to Obama in the black community and among the rich Democrats and the young folks.

Bill danced his jig and the rest is history. They effectively shaped the battlefield in the manner they needed it shaped.

Their only hope is to bleed Obama from a thousand cuts (and they are doing so) and hope their funky coalition of blue-collar white families, Mexicans, and Planned Parenthood and Emily's List feminists keeps them viable. And if she loses the nomination for 2008, the path may be clearer in 2012.

I don't think it's going to work; I think someone other than Hillary (e.g., Obama or Gore) will get the Democrat nomination. That nominee will lose to McCain, Obama will never be bigger than he is right now, down the road the first Latino President will be a Democrat and the first Black President will be a Republican.

For now, we in the African American community have been played -- which is quite easy when you consistently vote as a pack in the 80 to 90 percentile range for decades.

4/05/2008 05:21:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

LAPD: Jump in killings not due to racial strife

Dealing with a nearly 35% rise over last year, the department contends no single factor can explain the increase.
Of 57 Latinos killed this year, 87% are believed to have been struck down by other Latinos, the LAPD data show. (Those statistics do not include several cases in which the race of the suspect is unknown and one case in which the assailant is white.)

Nearly two-thirds of black homicide victims, meanwhile, are suspected to have been killed by other blacks. In about one of every three cases, the killer is thought to be Latino -- up from 14% over all of 2007.
But even in instances in which a Latino is believed to have killed a black person or vice versa this year, police insist that there is no evidence that points to race being the primary factor in the homicide.
Latino on Black murder only up a little more than 100% in one year:
No big thing to Villar and Bratton.

4/05/2008 05:23:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hard-Working, Family Values Latino Illegals, doing the Ethnic Cleansing most Americans are not Willing to do:

Latino gang tried to force blacks out, indictment says
Federal prosecutors Tuesday accused members of a Latino street gang of a violent campaign to drive African American rivals out of their South Los Angeles area neighborhood, resulting in at least 20 killings in the last three years.

4/05/2008 05:30:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Jamiel's Law
Jamiel's law requires LAPD to report GANG MEMBERS immigration status to ICE.
NOT all illegals in custody, and certainly not all illegals apprehended on the street.
But Jamiel Shaw would be alive today if Villar and Bratton had allowed the LAPD to report this 10 time loser GANG MEMBER'S status.
Instead, less than 24 hours after they released him, he took Jamiel Shaw's life.
Jamiel, in spite of going to worthless LAUSD schools, was an A Student, with Scholarship offers from Stanford, among others.
All his life his parents counseled him to do the right thing and stay out of trouble.
Now his 9 year old brother, having lost his hero, role model, brother, and best friend, asks:
"Are they going to shoot me too, Daddy?"

Listening to Jamiel's mother describing being told of his death while she was in Iraq is heartbreaking.
His father can't believe that just when their 17 year's work was about to bear fruit for Jamiel, his life was stolen.

4/05/2008 05:47:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

The hope is that Jamiel's death will rally sufficient interest to get Jamiel's Law passed.
Once that happens, other Sanctuary Cities will come under increased pressure to pass similar laws.

Please go to the Jamiel's Law website, and do what you can to urge the Los Angeles City Council to pass Jamiel’s Law!

4/05/2008 05:52:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew X said...

There are some interesting salutory effects of the Obama candidacy. Such as...

--- The fundamental leftist ideology that the US consists of that (class) struggle of -- Straight White Males vs. Everybody Else -- has been shattered completely. It the campaigns aftermath, we go from that which was seen as a binary 'us and them' dynamic to a much more multipolar one. The latter being much more stable, like a stool with five legs vs. one with two.

--- It is interesting to listen to Asians, whom I work with many. They are 95% with Hillary, easily. Why? I will say no more, just that you can listen to them speak of the subject and draw your own conclusions.

--- If Obama overcomes reverend Wright, which will certainly be true if he is nominated, even if he loses in November, we can thank him for the fact that we will be seeing no more situations like Trent Lott and Don Imus, etc. Both "cherry-picked" big time. Post-Obama, people will still be free to attack a "perceived" racist comment. And millions more will feel VERY free to tell those attackers to take a flying eff at the moon. If it's cool for Obama's pastor of 20 years, it's cool for everybody else. Re: sauce/gander.
So race hucksters, you're done. You'll always be around, like fascists and communists, but you will be ingnored by a great many people who used to take you seriously.

Even if Obama loses in November, much of the above will have been accomplished. We owe the man thanks for that alone.

4/05/2008 08:38:00 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

That Jamiel story breaks a person's heart. Where's that southern law center and similar oranizations on issues like this? I'd think they'd be all over it. They were sure here in Idaho back when the Aryan Nations were running around.

4/05/2008 08:56:00 AM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

It is interesting to listen to Asians, whom I work with many. They are 95% with Hillary, easily. Why? I will say no more, just that you can listen to them speak of the subject and draw your own conclusions.

I wish you would elucidate on this comment. I don't work with Asians any more, so don't have any sounding board and it's not something I've ever read anything about. It seems to me the Asian vote will be a big factor in the coming elections and I've wondered which way they will tilt. I'm a little surprised you're saying Hillary and would like to know what the logic behind that is, if you've heard any.

4/05/2008 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger Harrywr2 said...

People who work 60 hours a week picking potatoes, washing dishes, cleaning toilets etc so that can achieve the "Mexican-American Dream" of owning a 10 year old car and living in a 2 bedroom apartment don't have a lot of patience for people who sing the "Someone Did Me Wrong Song".

4/05/2008 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew X said...

Nahncee -

OK, I JUST read some stats at (National Review? Can't keep track.) that put Asians voting for Hillary at about 75%. So a bit of hyperbole on my part, though that 95% is a personal observation.

Basically, when I talk to Asians about this election, I get a decidedly racial undercurrent that is a bit disconcerting frankly. Racism in Asia is every single solitary bit as real a thing as it is or ever has been in America. But there is certainly not a civil rights infrastructure anywhere there as there is here. And Asian racism is many times directed against other Asians.

(I must be careful and clear here. As Jerry Seinfeld said of "Donna Changstein".... "If I LIKE their race, how can I be racist?" I very much admire the Asians that I know, and let's not even go to what I think of young (18+ of course) Asian ladies. Won't even go there ;-)

But there are some profound and significant issues between Asian and black communities, and their opinions of such things as education, enterprise, family responsibility, etc. Again, I will not detail, because the opinions do in fact leave me uncomfortable, but I think you can fill in the blanks. Suffice to say that a recent article in 'American Thinker' had a black writer talking about walking into a university library on a Friday night. Guess what almost all the people there had in common? Guess who he did NOT see there, not one? 'Nuff said.

We saw some of this in the Rodney King riots, and the perception of many blacks that Asians are "taking their jobs", "taking their money" when Asians run the stores in black communities, etc, and are a "favored minority" in general. Again, just perceptions, but that is entirely what racism is, is it not?

So these are two communities that definitely do not see the world, or America, in the same way.

Thus what I wrote about Obama. These are two minority groups diametrically opposed in many ways regarding his candidacy. Now let's talk about Latinos....

And the whole binary "White vs. Not" edifice comes crashing down. Good riddance.

Hope that illuminates somewhat.

4/05/2008 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

18 year-old Asian females will not be voting in the Presidential election, so we really don' need to consider them.

I understand the veiled racism thing, and understand why they'd prefer Hillary over Obama. What I don't understand is why they'd prefer Hillary over McCain.

S-Dad - I think there's some jealousy going on too, and definitely a testosterone war between young black men and young brown men: a "mine is bigger than yours" thing that is being played out with guns and knives.

As long as it's black gangs killing brown gangs and vice-versa, no one cares, regarding it as a self-cleaning over.

But recently, say in the last five years, the brown gangs have become MUCH more indiscriminate in their killing. They are now aiming at crowds of people at bus stops, and young black males walking down the street by themselves who can in no way be considered a man or a threat of any sort.

This may be the same sort of cowardice as we see in Al-Q aiming at targets who can't fight back, it may be because they are REALLY stupid and bad aims, or it may be because the word is out to ratchet the violence up to genocide levels.

As Doug is pointing out, LAPD is denying that there is any racially-motivated violence going on, but all you have to do is read LA Times Homicide blog to see that statistically, the murders in LA are hugely proportionally brown on brown, and brown killing black. If blacks are going outsided their neighborhood to kill, they go to the (white) gay areas to commit their depradations.

LAPD sounds like Homeland Security when they're denying that a Muslim caught on an airplane with bomb-making materials is a terrorist -- "Who you gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes?"

But I simply do not understand why blacks want to antagonize white who could be helping them in this situation, and why black leaders like Obama and Wright and Jesse Jackson are not speaking up and highlighting what's been going on.

Talk about throwing people under the bus: that is exactly what Obama is doing to lower and middle-class blacks because he is going after the votes of a bunch of illegal aliens.

4/05/2008 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew X said...

RE: "What I don't understand is why they'd prefer Hillary over McCain."

Because the ARE a "minority community" and thus wedded to the Democratic Party that has catered to them ideologically (if not in reality) for decades.

That 75/25 number is in the Democratic Primary. You are correct, and it is sort of my point, that come November, all bets are off. They may very well vote for McCain over Obama, and if it is Hillary, the Obama candidacy going as far as it has may likely help break up the "Minority = Democrat" paradigm that has existed for so long.

Asians might also take issue with some ways that McCain has referred to his former hosts in Hanoi, but that all remains to be seen.

The overall point is that "minorities" of whatever color have long been seen as a Democratic bloc, since that party has been all to wedded to catering to "communities" rather than individuals, a philosophy that is inherently racialist. The Obama candidacy seems to be fracturing that, and that is a good thing.

4/05/2008 11:08:00 AM  
Blogger Whiskey said...

druu222 -- The Vietnamese community in most places will love McCain. They are after all exiles from the Communists and despise those who made them both Exiles and deprived them of their rights in their own country. See: Cubans in Miami.

I think the larger issue is that Dems are coming face to face with the costs of identity politics. Blacks have used a convenient (and historic enemy) in whites. It is absolutely true that whites oppressed Blacks in horrific ways within living memory. Providing an easy way to create black unity, explain cultural failures (choosing thug life post-Desegregation), and support political machines.

Most Black politics has been about punishing as much as possible whites and white voters rather than the direct improvement of blacks themselves. It's stupid, self-defeating, but understandable.

This has caused a backlash among particularly white voters who choose Republicans by a wide margin, excepting rich (and therefore socially liberal) whites. Rich whites in gated communities are constantly trying to push down other whites in a status competition, and use Blacks and other minorities to signal economic superiority (they can "afford it" like a BMW at Trader Joe's parking lot) and roughly correlates with their own effort to "punish" less well off whites.

Al Gore's support for Gun Control, which predictably cost him the election, in 2000 is evidence of this desire to "punish" less wealthy whites by taking away things they like.

Asians dislike whites, latinos, blacks etc. and with high immigration don't have to inter-marry, allowing ethnic enclaves and clannishness. Of course they support Dems who wish to punish non-wealthy whites. They share the same enemy.

Latinos (or really, what we are talking about are Mexicans who make up the overwhelming majority of Latinos) are also racist and prone to identity politics: La Raza, Aztlan, etc. They also wish to punish whites, with a good dose of Mexican nationalist irredentism, the desire to "reconquer" lost Mexican territory from 1846.

Tribalism is natural, and inevitable unless vigorous steps are taken to combat it, constantly. Like cleaning the kitchen sink, it's a task that must be done daily.

What this nearly 50 year old tribalism, identity politics, has done is to make white males who are not wealthy understand who their enemies are: Blacks, Latinos, Asians, and most of all wealthy whites. In other words, the Democratic Party. We are seeing racial polarization reach new public heights, but Rev. God Damn America and Obama are nothing new, it's a process that's gone on for decades.

Non-wealthy white men were convenient, in some cases understandable (for Blacks with living memory of the awfulness of Jim Crow Segregation) enemies. But most white men have little to no connection to racism, don't feel guilty about it, resent double standards (OK for: Black, Latino/Mexican, Asian racism, not for White Identity Politics) are likely to "punish" their enemies right back.

In the game of "punish your enemies" that behavior will be inevitable.

We will NOT have a Black or Woman President for Decades. Maybe longer. The reason is that White Men will be "PUNISHED" since that's what Identity Politics is based on. They run too many risks in being "PUNISHED" and so rationally, logically will NEVER vote in appreciable numbers for anyone but a WHITE MAN.

[Nanhcee asks why the ethnic cleansing is tolerated in LA? Because Mayor Tony's backers want it, of course! And Blacks are too caught up in "hate Whitey" punishment politics to deal with the reality of the situation. They still cling to the fantasy that counter-brutality in much higher violence will compensate for unlimited manpower of Latino Gangs. They rejected Police funding increases and protest over police arresting/killing gang members, their own "militia." And so have chosen Serbian-style politics that will lead to an equal dead end.]

4/05/2008 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger Andrew X said...

Whiskey - I disagree on one staement, that "we will not have a black or woman president for decades".

We will if either one comes from the right, as a Republican. Someone like Michael Steele comes to mind, as does JC Watts, or even Powell or Rice at one time (not now). But if from the left, you are probably correct, for all the reasons you state.

4/05/2008 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Latinos (or really, what we are talking about are Mexicans who make up the overwhelming majority of Latinos) are also racist and prone to identity politics: La Raza, Aztlan, etc. They also wish to punish whites, with a good dose of Mexican nationalist irredentism, the desire to "reconquer" lost Mexican territory from 1846.

Mexicans (and Guatamalenans and Venezuelan's and Panamanians, and Salvadorans and Hondurans etc, etc, etc) want exactly what the Palestinians wants vis-a-vis Israel: something for nothing.

In both cases, they are failed societies and failed human beings, and they want to swoop in and take over, for free, that which other people have successfully built up with hard work, intelligence and investment.

When Mexicans say they want to "re-conquer" North America, what they REALLY mean is that they want someone like the UN or a world court to step in and give it to them.

They can't even get their drug cartels under control -- how do they intend on "conquering" a bunch of really annoyed Americans?

4/05/2008 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Sparks continue to fly over Absolut's Mexico ad
Your chance to vote on the Absolut Mexico ad
"Maybe Whites need a true history lesson of where they stand--Northern Mexico-- but I don't think they have the mental capacity but rather racial hatred.
And honestly, who cares about Preoria, where is that place located, I live in Los Angeles and here is where is matters most to this Mexican American who is tired of all the hatred that the times publishes at Mexican American expense."

Posted by: Julian S Camacho

I am a naturalized American citizen born in Mexico.
The comments made by Julian Camacho are very offensive, I love my new country.
If Los Angeles were part of mexico it would look like Tijuana.

If Julian and all other people who wrote all these anti white anti-american mails don't like it here, then go back to the "true Mexico" south of the current border. If you have never lived in Mexico then you don't know how bad it really is for many Mexicans down there.
Much worse than your situation here.

Posted by: E Gil

4/06/2008 01:53:00 AM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Doug, reading the comments in the LA Times *does* make one lift an eyebrow but then I suppose we could look at it as being a Good Thing that so many people name Garcia and Jose can speak and write English that well.

4/06/2008 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

dispatch from the border: Went to Nogales, Sonora last week. For all intents and purposes its a borderless region. Very little difference upon crossing except more compesinos begging in the street and ramshackle
dwellings on the hillsides.
On our side, we're up to 28 murders in Tucson already this year most fueled by gang banging and drug wars. Many of the perps and victims are illegal. The generally lawless culture contributes also. When one of the underlying mores of the community is a disrespect for the law regarding the nation's sovereignty, what place do other laws hold?

4/07/2008 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger Stephen A. Nuño said...

Here are some crime stats I compiled from Tucson PD's website. The percentages are the percentage daily rate increase or decrease in each crime area from 2006 to 2008. I used 101 days to calculate a 356/day daily rate for the year 2008, since 101 days have expired this year. Of course, the rate can go up or down depending on many factors, but this is the rate thus far. Take from it what you wish. Murder rates are way up, but in general, the other crime stats seem to be lower. This also does not take into account the population increase over the 2 1/2 year period, so the per-capita rate is probably lower still and may eat up some of the murder rate. How much illegal immigration has to do with any of this is anyone's guess, but if one is trying to tie illegal immigration to soaring crime rates, it'd be difficult to draw them from this limited data. In my opinion, a pathway to citizenship or some expanded worker program for many of the undocumented folks would draw a greater rift between those folks here to work and/or go back home after the work is done and those here only to cause mayhem.


4/10/2008 02:01:00 AM  
Blogger Nerds said...

I don't believe that you should look at crime rate statistics to prove a point. The point it actually proves is that there is racial profiling and the current drug laws (as absurd as it sounds) are being used to hold down the minority vote. Even the Human Rights Watch has taken notice in American Laws and many other human rights activists. You can read the full report at:

and just for the record, most Latinos are not for NAFTA. That is one reason there is so much protest and upheaval in Latin America because it caused so economic meltdowns in their country. Yet, Bush is still aggressively trying to pursue an agreement to renew NAFTA, or the alternative CAFTA. The real fault in the surge in immigration to the U.S. from Latin America (not just Mexico, but Columbia, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Ecuador) is neoliberal, IMF, WTO and multinational practices (“restructure” policies, devalue of peso, and authoritarian regimes backed by U.S.) world wide....yet why is no one pointing the finger at the obvious bad guys? If you want a solution to the problem it must be addressed from the root and people are ignoring the root of the problem. Which is our multinational corporations backed up by U.S. foreign policy. Our current administration is turning more corrupt, cleverly hidden, but corrupt nonetheless. It’s time for Americans to step out of their bubble to address economic problems. Also, don’t use MSNBC or Fox news as a valid source of news. There is a semi monopoly over the U.S. media and little media diversity if one does not seek alternative news sources. Check out the Big Ten at :

To see how much influence the 10 big conglomerates have over western media.

4/21/2008 11:23:00 PM  

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