Sunday, April 27, 2008


Mark Steyn writes:

In a scrupulously politically correct age, it's not offensive to organize a "Kill the police!" demo or to preach that the government invented Aids in order to perpetrate an African-American genocide. You can pull that stuff and still be part of respectable society, hanging out with presidential candidates and whatnot. What's grotesquely offensive is the chap who's insensitive enough to point out such statements and associations.

There's a scene in Saving Private Ryan where an SS man stabs a Jewish-American soldier in a hand to hand fight. As the knife goes in, the SS whispers to the man he is killing to hush. Don't make any trouble. Die like a good Jew. Mark Steyn understands that the real offense today isn't the destruction of Western liberties and standards. It's resistance that's unacceptable. The real offense is making trouble.

Hush now and go quietly.

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Blogger Whiskey said...

Well that applies to the media and liberals and Dems. Not to other Americans.

Sharpton + Wright + Ayers + Dohrn = Obama & Dem Losses. Big Time as Cheney would say.

4/27/2008 07:39:00 PM  
Blogger Pyrthroes said...

To paraphrase Voltaire: I care nothing for what you think of me, and I don't care who knows it.

4/27/2008 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

W: Mark Steyn understands that the real offense today isn't the destruction of Western liberties and standards. It's resistance that's unacceptable. The real offense is making trouble.

Western liberties like the freedom to keep the contents of your laptop secure from a fishing expedition? Western standards like the right not to be tried in a death penalty case with evidence extracted from you through torture? No, those things aren't important, we're talking about what Obama knew about Reverend Wright's AIDS conspiracy theory and when he knew it.

4/27/2008 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger hdgreene said...

I don't know Teresita. Seems to me we let those towers go down rather than look into the laptop of that nice Franco-Moroccan Moronic fellow. Nor did we hassle "students" at flight schools.

Our intellectuals make programs like "Secrets of the Dead -- Aztec Massacre" that treat ripping the heart out of prisoners as respectable -- even praiseworthy -- resistance. Terrorist blow up a market? Blame those who should stop them!

If we are counting on the current crop of lying leftist journalist to guard our civil liberties, or our freedoms, or our property, or our lives, we are in deep doo-doo.

But perhaps I've just been taken over by Southernism.

In the delicate balance of forces that have always defined American tastes--nativism and yahooism versus eagerness for the new and openness to innovation--art, or at least high craft, it seemed, had triumphed.

Or so writes Michael Hirsh at Newsweek. Well, high craft hasn't triumphed in this post by this commenter! No sir-ree. If Yahooism is a political philosophy, then I'm a yahooist, I reckon.

4/27/2008 09:17:00 PM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

Isn't Politically Correct speech the same thing as being told to "hush, you can't say things like that"?

Muslims get their little feelings hurted, so do black folks, and white folks just like to act superior and tell the rest of us how to talk hoping that will also tell us how to think.

I wonder why Steyn doesn't sue the Canadian civil rights commissions in return for harassment or libel or slander or something. He probably couldn't claim a whole lot of suffering, though, since he appeared to be having way too much fun at their expense.

4/27/2008 10:31:00 PM  
Blogger Whiskey said...

Funny you should mention that Teresita.

Canada's Human Rights Commission hijacked a woman's internet connection (wifi) and posted inflammatory stuff at nazi sites. Using her IP address.

Which was traced back to her and assumed (wrongly) that it was her. Instead it was the Human Rights Commission. Meanwhile she's gotten death threats, from both the Nazis and their enemies, turned down from jobs and identified in the Press (since corrected, but no one read the correction) as a Neo Nazi poster.

The PC/Multiculti thought police trample all over innocents: the Duke LaCrosse Team, the people smeared in the Tawana Brawley Hoax, the kid beat up by the Jena Six (who had nothing to do with noose hanging).

More to the point, you insist on treating War as a criminal exercise. Are soldiers obliged to "catch and release" terrorists on the battlefield abroad because they did not read them their miranda rights? Are terrorists allowed to keep laptops with secrets of terror secure?

Would you rather die, or a person in your family, since that's what we are talking about, than peruse through a terrorist's laptop? Or have him endure a belly slap and the Barney Song at Gitmo?

How about not just you but a city? Or three? How about 5 million people?

You can make that line drawn. Pretend the danger has passed. That we have the luxury of granting terrorists civil rights.

And let me tell you exactly what will happen. One day they will under that policy get lucky with nukes. After another episode, there will be no breaks. There will be roundups of Muslims in this country, under emergency powers, and they will be shot, or imprisoned, or dumped abroad. Not tens but hundreds of millions abroad will die.

Oh, twenty to thirty years later, people will feel bad. "Gee what a shame." But this is exactly what will happen. People will do anything to survive.

Believe it.

4/27/2008 10:40:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Bobal said...
"from John Lott's Website--

Was Obama an Employee of William Ayres?
The left wing blog site, No Quarter, notes something shocking that has not gotten really any attention:

Barack also was essentially an employee of Bill Ayers for eight years.

In 1995, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created to raise funds to help reform the Chicago public schools. One of the architects of the Challenge was none other than Professor Bill Ayers.
Ayers co-wrote the initial grant proposal and proudly lists himself on his own website as the co-founder of the Challenge.

And who did William Ayers, co-creator of the Challenge, help select as the new director of the board for this program?
Barack Obama.

Barack Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. This appointment came at a crucial time in Barack’s life.
He was on the verge of challenging longtime state Senator Alice Palmer for her job.

When Barack decided to run, it is no surprise that he turned to William Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn for help in organizing the campaign and in hosting his first fundraiser in the district."

4/27/2008 11:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Was Obama an Employee of William Ayres?

4/27/2008 11:50:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Wright Wingnut News

4/27/2008 11:52:00 PM  
Blogger Whiskey said...

Kill the Police is not a particularly winning argument.

Obama is likely to own Sharpton's Kill the Police statements? Fair? Well Obama chose to be the "Black Candidate" so them's the breaks.

Kill the Police = "let criminals do what they want, particularly Black ones." This is not popular, because voters want their money going to police to keep them safe. They don't want crime. They won't put up with it, no matter what their betters tell them.

Such as say, Liberals, Media, SF Billionaires, and Democrats. But I repeat myself.

Homeowners are particularly vulnerable. Property values go in the toilet when crime increases. Obama just got soft on crime, with his record (early release of violent criminals, opposing gun ownership, etc.) only making it worse.

4/28/2008 12:17:00 AM  
Blogger Cannoneer No. 4 said...

It's a Jacksonian thang. Y'all just wouldn't understand.

You ain’t no kinda man if you ain’t got land -- Delmar O'Donnell

4/28/2008 12:34:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

The rest of the Steyn piece:

So the North Carolina Republicans are denounced as "racists" for being so unenlightened as to bring up the subject of the neo-segregationist hater Rev Wright.

Likewise, up north, this guy will never be hauled up for "hate speech" by the PC enforcers of Canada's "human rights" commissions.

But, for quoting what he and like-minded fellows believe, I and my editors are on trial for "Islamophobia"*.
All part of life's rich comedy.

(*Here's a novel wrinkle on my case: Is the Muslim Brotherhood behind it?

I've no idea, but given the Canadian Islamic Congress' systematic misrepresentation of me I'm happy to pass it along just for the fun of it.)

4/28/2008 12:42:00 AM  
Blogger Cannoneer No. 4 said...

Property owner resistance to a righteous response to societal oppression and economic disparity impedes the progress of social justice.

4/28/2008 12:46:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

When Teachers Are the Dropouts

Lists all the RESULTS of the 20 Million Man Illegal Invasion, but not the forbidden subject itself!


4/28/2008 12:56:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Rev. Wright Speaks

Lesser journalists continue to characterize the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s sermons as hate speech, without ever having heard more than snippets of them.

As Wright tells the great Bill Moyers, the meaning of his sermons has been deliberately distorted to achieve a political goal, and it worked. Updated.
(the Great Bill Moyers!)

4/28/2008 01:13:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

(that link has video of Wright and the Great Billy Don Moyers)

4/28/2008 01:18:00 AM  
Blogger Steve J. said...

In a scrupulously politically correct age, it's not offensive to organize a "Kill the police!" demo or to preach that the government invented Aids in order to perpetrate an African-American genocide.

It's also OK to call for riots in Denver.

4/28/2008 01:23:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Desperately Seeking Street Cred

- Dowd
Maybe I’ve been reading too many stories about the fad of teenage vampire chick lit, worlds filled with parasitic aliens and demi-human creatures, but there’s something eerie going on in this race.

Hillary grows more and more glowy as Obama grows more and more wan.

Is she draining him of his precious bodily fluids? Leeching his magic? Siphoning off his aura?

It used to be that he was incandescent and she was merely inveterate. Now she’s bristling with life force, and he looks like he wants to run away somewhere for three months by himself and smoke.

Hillary is not getting much sleep or exercise, and doesn’t, like the ascetic Obama, abstain from junk food and coffee and get up at dawn to work out on the road. She’s still a long shot and she’s 14 years older than her rival.

Yet she’s the one who is more energetic and focused and beaming, and he’s the one who seems uneven and gauzy, often fatigued and unable to disguise being fed up with the slog. Even his speeches don’t have the same pizazz.

A man at a sports bar in Latrobe, Pa., advised Obama, “Get some sleep, Barack, you look like you’re tired, man.”

4/28/2008 01:29:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Michelle Malkin » Recreate ‘68 threatens Democrat convention in Denver

“When things blow up because the police have to enforce a permit that the Democrats got, don’t blame us for that.”

Denver could face a “dangerous situation” on the first day of the Democratic National Convention, war protesters said Thursday, after losing a coveted permit for Civic Center to the convention host committee.

“When things blow up because the police have to enforce a permit that the Democrats got, don’t blame us for that,” said Glenn Spagnuolo, an organizer for the Re-create 68 Alliance.

Re-create 68 - which has promised demonstrations that will rival those at the bloody 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago - will be at Civic Center on Aug. 24, with or without a permit, he said.

4/28/2008 01:31:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Charles invents phantom "attack," then labels Dymphna a "fascist sympathizer" !

Classy, Indeed!

Gates of Vienna Attacks Robert Spencer

Following Robert Spencer’s post about the need for the anti-jihad movement to reject white nationalists and racialists, fascist sympathizer Dymphna of Gates of Vienna launches an amazingly sleazy attack on Spencer in the comments to his post:
Jihad Watch:
Why the anti-jihad resistance is not about race

4/28/2008 02:40:00 AM  
Blogger Salt Lick said...

The tragedy -- and I really mean that -- of Barack Obama is that he threw away all the things that could have made him our first post-racial candidate and brought profound "change," and instead embraced the pathologies that prevent it. And it's a tragedy for all of us.

But no use whining. To the barricades!

4/28/2008 04:30:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Don't despair, Salt Lick:
After half a lifetime spinning conceits to prove himself to be genuine, street cred worthy, all black, through and through, Barry can balance things out by spending the last half of his life giving expression to his whiteness.

(might even throw in a gratuitous insult or two toward one of his black grandparents)

4/28/2008 05:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Salt lick: The tragedy -- and I really mean that -- of Barack Obama is that he threw away all the things that could have made him our first post-racial candidate

Then what we need is post-racial voters like you and me who think that mindset is a tragedy, whether it comes from the black or the white side. Race truly is an artificial construct. There is only the human race.

Gal.3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

4/28/2008 06:18:00 AM  
Blogger newscaper said...


I'm a post-racial voter.

Peeling back Obama's curtain to look at what we *think* is the real man (and not the moderate he plays on TV), I decided *not* to give in to the enlightened urge to vote (as an educated white man - from Alabama no less) for a black president just to put a lot of old baggage to rest once and for all.
But the tradeoffs to try to get that with Obama are NOT worth the risk.

I'm firmly convinced, even before the last 2-3 months, that Obama is intentionally, in a back-handed sense, running as the "black" candidate by *not* running as that. WHat the hell am I talking about? Obama knows that he needs a large chunk of the white vote to win, and he can get it if he doesn't act repellently Jesse or Al S-like, and if he puts up a relatively moderate front on policy (except for anti-war red meat). He knows full well that as long as he doesn't overtly scare them, your garden variety college educated -- but intellectual lightweight -- whites will vote for him in droves *because he's black* as a way to prove to themselves and others that they are trendily "enlightened", going with their herd.

I'm actually one of those eternally frustrated libertarian-conservatives who's not too happy with McCain (though I'll vote for him), who dislikes the Clintons but at least feels everyone knows where Hillary is coming from and could oppose her straightforwardly, plus she'd "sometimes do the right thing even if for the wrong reasons" (I forget who said that).

I would HAPPILY vote for a woman president like Margaret Thatcher, or an african-american president like the fictitious David Palmer on "24."
Hell, I'd dearly *love* to have that option.

4/28/2008 06:51:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

...or even a REAL Black President like JC Watts, or Michael Steele.

4/28/2008 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger joe buz said...

Neither the right or left side of my brain can rationalize the "kill the police" call. Alas, I am more deficient than I thought, but which side originated and processed that thought?

4/28/2008 07:41:00 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

A more rational response would be "Kill the Judge"--more rational not equaling rational, of course.

4/28/2008 08:25:00 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

newscaper expresses my outlook as well, in Doug's sense, of course. The charge will be however, that everytime there's a serious black candidate, we'll come up with some rational to not support him(or her) which charge is not true, but unprovable, until a black actually sits in that office

4/28/2008 08:34:00 AM  
Blogger Jrod said...


Your metaphoric abilities continue to outperform. The scene in SPR to which you refer is one of the more unsettling scenes I've ever witnessed on the big screen. The routine of the whole affair is creepy; the struggle, the whisper, the death spasms, the casual wipe of the knife blade on the victor's own pants, the indifference of the German as he walks past a nonthreatening American soldier. He could been on his way to the beerhall for a stein and a brautwrist after another relatively uneventful day at the office.

Hush now, hold still and submit to your medicine. It won't hurt for long.

4/28/2008 09:49:00 AM  
Blogger Whiskey said...

Teresita --

You are living in a fantasy. No less an authority than Obama's spiritual mentor and a man he cannot disown any more than the Black Community or his own racist granny tells us that Blacks and Whites have different brains, different rhythms, different tonality, and learn, speak, and act differently.

There is no post-racialism. None whatsoever. If the OJ mockery, the King Riots, Tawana Brawley and Duke La Crosse hoaxes, Al Sharpton, and Rev. Wright did not disabuse you of that I suggest you look at the video of Rev. Wright.

Among his statements, applauded by the NAACP, are the view that Blacks cannot learn or operate analytically and logically. They can only be verbal and "creative."

These are the fruits of PC and Multiculturalism. Enjoy.

4/28/2008 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger joe buz said...

Normal Rules Do Not Apply to Some Segregationists

4/28/2008 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger Swami said...

The "offenses" to freedom Theresita mentions share an interesting commonality: both refer to instances happening at the exterior of society, in one case between our society and another of hostile intent, and in the second case, at the interface of our society and others.

The generous priviledges of our society do not extend beyond it, nor can they. Any system can have an ordered rule structure for dealing with internal issues, but external issues cannot be accomodated that way. Looking for a traditional law enforcement/justice solution to terrorism is like studying Hoyle's Rules of Games to find out what to do when an opposing poker player has just thrown his chair at you.
It is like hoping that your body's immune cells will develop antibodies to cope with a shark attack.

Internally, the rules of our civilization remain. Since that is where I happen to be, I don't have an issue if we are inconsistent in applying them externally.


4/28/2008 01:09:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Dont be a Crusader" [Andrew Stuttaford]
Via the London Times:

A British citizen who converted to Christianity from Islam and then complained to police when locals threatened to burn his house down was told by officers to “stop being a crusader”, according to a new report. Nissar Hussein, 43, from Bradford, West Yorkshire, who was born and raised in Britain, converted from Islam to Christianity with his wife, Qubra, in 1996.

The report says that he was subjected to a number of attacks and, after being told that his house would be burnt down if he did not repent and return to Islam, reported the threat to the police.
It says he was told that such threats were rarely carried out and the police officer told him to “stop being a crusader and move to another place”.
A few days later the unoccupied house next door was set on fire.

4/28/2008 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whiskey_199: No less an authority than Obama's spiritual mentor and a man he cannot disown any more than the Black Community or his own racist granny tells us that Blacks and Whites have different brains, different rhythms, different tonality, and learn, speak, and act differently.

I'm waiting to see if Obama rejects those remarks just as he rejected his views that America was worthy of damnation. I'm not voting for Reverend Wright for President, that's for sure.

It is a curious facet of conservativism that people need to answer for everything they said in the past, and for every association. The precept by which I guide my life is, "Do good now and you are good." This is not accepted in righty circles. Even here on the Belmont Club I am criticized for making statements now that do not square with what I said in 2006.

4/28/2008 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger Buckets said...


I agree, and appreciate the sentiment. But I also wonder whether your argument is really enough to carry the day. Stepping into Teresita's shoes, I could argue that by your logic, criminals do not deserve the protection of our laws either because they live outside of them. While we passionately disapprove of their criminal activities, we also take comfort in the fact that were we ourselves ever to be found in a bad situation, we too would be offered fairness and justice.

I think most of the readers here would agree that jihadists captured planting IEDs in Afghanistan do not deserve a criminal trial in the U.S. with all the protections and rights we offer to defendants. But at the same, it's not easy to know where to draw the line, and how much legal protection to offer those we have in our custody. Courts, both civilian and military, are struggling with these questions now, and they do not lend themselves to easy answers.

4/28/2008 04:12:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"This is not accepted in righty circles. Even here on the Belmont Club I am criticized for making statements now that do not square with what I said in 2006."
No doubt much of the criticism about that would come to an end if you owned up to presenting yourself as multiple different personas at different times, to include, but not limited to:
An outspoken Lesbian, a conservative, a brown victimology advocate, a writer of a particular genre of literature, and others I cannot recall.

Either acknowledge that such misrepresentation is not such a great way to spend your and other people's time on this forum, or defend why you think it is.

4/28/2008 06:16:00 PM  
Blogger watimebeing said...

The twists of logic of a human heart,

as romanticized by the rolling stones' Paint it Black.

Seems, to me, somehow fittingly descriptive.

4/28/2008 09:47:00 PM  
Blogger Swami said...


I see what you are saying, I need to define internal and external a little better.

An ordinary criminal is an internal thing to our society, just like a threatening black bishop is internal to a chess game, and a disease causing bacteria is internal to a body.

A terrorist supporting and supported by an alien social system is external. His physical existence may be within our borders, but he is there as an agent of an external force.

Our borders, with their customs agents and fences such as they are, are by definition interfaces between internal and external.


4/29/2008 09:37:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I'll check the e-mail box and await your reply, T.

4/29/2008 02:42:00 PM  

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