Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Mughniyeh Killed in Damascus

Imad Muganiyeh, known to Americans as the man who killed Navy diver Robert Stethem; the man who tortured and killed CIA station chief William Francis Buckley, and possible mastermind of the 1983 Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut died in car bomb explosion in a posh suburb of Damascus. Hezbollah has blamed Israeli agents.

However, Israel has denied any involvement. The Times Online says "Israel today denied any involvement in Mughniyeh’s death. 'Israel rejects any attempt by terrorist organisations to attribute to it any implication in this affair,' said a statement from the office of Ehud Olmert, the Prime Minister." And indeed he had no shortage of enemies, ranging from the Saudi backers of Hariri to the United States.

Mughniyeh’s death came on the eve of an expected mass rally in central Beirut to mark the third anniversary of the assassination of Rafik Hariri, a former Lebanese prime minister. Lebanon is in the throes of a grave political crisis pitting the anti-Syrian March 14 parliamentary coalition against the Hezbollah-led opposition. ...

Walid Jumblatt, an outspoken March 14 leader told The Times that Mughniyeh’s death was “good news”, and hinted that the Hezbollah commander may have been betrayed by his Syrian allies.

Andrew Exum at Middle East Strategy at Harvard writes that Mughniyeh’s demise, coming on the anniversary of Rafik Hariri's death, means that both sides of the Lebanese political divide will be pumped up and primed for war tomorrow. What happens next will be interesting to watch.

It was widely believed that Hezbollah was girding for another rocket assault on Israel. It had recently been resupplied with rockets, shipped under the label of civilian supplies, past the UN Peacekeeping force. Hezbollah was also supposed to have sent reconnaissance teams disguised as journalist to the Lebanese/Israeli border to obtain video footage of certain areas. The strike on Mughniyeh suggests that parallel counterpreparations mirroring those of Hezbollah were simultaneously in progress. Mughaniyeh was regarded as a particularly difficult target. Wikipedia quotes Robert Baer, a former CIA officer as saying, "Mugniyah is probably the most intelligent, most capable operative we’ve ever run across, including the KGB or anybody else. He enters by one door, exits by another, changes his cars daily, never makes appointments on a telephone, never is predictable. He only uses people that are related to him that he can trust. He doesn’t just recruit people."

Revenge attacks are expected. “Hezbollah are wise people and they will not react hastily. They will study and reflect before they do anything,” said Ibrahim Mussawi, editor of Hezbollah’s Al-Intiqad newspaper.

And one of the things Hezbollah might reflect upon as they regard the charred and mangled corpse of Mughniyeh is that while one can evade payment for a time, the repo man always comes in the end.


Fausta notices that by coincidence, the US was pressuring diplomatically and financially Iran to do something about the 1994 attack on a Jewish community center in Argentina. In fact Argentina issued an arrest warrant in 1999 against "Hezbollah member Imad Mugniyah" in connection with the attack. So to Jumblatt's suspicion that the Syrians double-crossed him or accusations that the Israelis killed him must be added the possibility that the Iranians were tying up loose ends. There will be a lot of speculation over the next few days.

And ... Bill Roggio describes the life and times -- and ultimate demise -- of Mughniyeh. He quotes the Jerusalem Post report to make the point that the bomb was placed to kill to give him the literal hotseat. "When taking a close look at the car, we noticed that it was not burnt or blackened, but the driver’s and passengers’ seats were damaged." Tawfiq said. He believed that a bomb had been planted under the driver's seat." Roggio describes some of the highlights of his long and bloody career.

Mugniyah had extensive links with the Iranian intelligence services, and was directly linked to al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden and former al Qaeda in Iraq commander Abu Musab al Zarqawi. Mugniyah was on FBI's list of 22 most wanted terrorists, with a $5 million dollar reward for information leading to his capture. US Special Forces aborted a raid to capture Mugniyah in the Persian Gulf in 1996. He was believed to have visited Syria in January 2006, attending a meeting with Iranian President Ahmadinejad and Syrian President Assad.

Mugniyah likely played a support role in al Qaeda’s Sept. 11 attacks on the US. The 9/11 Commission Report was explicit about Iran's connections with al Qaeda. "The relationship between al Qaeda and Iran demonstrated that Sunni-Shia divisions did not necessarily pose an insurmountable barrier to cooperation in terrorist operations."


Blogger Elijah said...

If Israel is behind this act, it can be seen as the most significant intelligence accomplishment in the war on terror, coming before the assasination of Fathi Shikaki, leader of the Islamic Jihad in 1995.

2/13/2008 04:54:00 AM  
Blogger watimebeing said...

Good, it needed doing. To whoever accomplished the deed, thanks.
With the things steadily getting warmer, I hope there will be more following Imad's path to hell.
With any luck at all.

2/13/2008 05:06:00 AM  
Blogger Storm-Rider said...

To hell with the enemies of liberty.

2/13/2008 05:20:00 AM  
Blogger Pangloss said...

Why is there no dancing in the streets in Washington DC, or handing out of candies to young children with the news that the evil Mughniyeh has been sent to hell?

2/13/2008 05:29:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

To pangloss: There is no dancing because we are a civilized race of people unlike the filthy arabs, that's why.
He will roast in hell for all eternity like all the rest of the arab scum who thought they were going to paradise but were actually on the elevator going down.
If Israel was behind this, good for them. The arabs should know by now not to tangle with Shin Bet.

2/13/2008 05:38:00 AM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

Though I'm content that Mughniyeh was killed whoever may have done it, there is something disquieting about how an organizational Hezbollah which has committed acts of war against the United States and other states across international boundaries can still be in business today.

And that fact that this particular piece of work has bitten the dust shouldn't blind us to the fact that his murderous organization is still up and running, and so far as I can tell, in no danger of being shut down.

2/13/2008 06:01:00 AM  
Blogger Barry Meislin said...

....there is something disquieting about how an organizational Hezbollah which has committed acts of war against the United States and other states across international boundaries can still be in business today.

Ah, but Wretchard, haven't you heard that "we are all Hezbullah now"?

2/13/2008 06:18:00 AM  
Blogger What is "Occupation" said...

The axis of the evil still does exist...

However, when they least expect it, in the quiet of the night, when they are getting into their 95k dollar BMW after they sipped tea and chuckled about all the jews, americans and such they have murdered is such crude ways, a hand reaches out and in a nanosecond erases them.

One must wonder about the ability of whomever to strike a car, a motorscooter, a cell phone of a specific individual...

The time to warn and bluster is over...

The time to quietly take out and erase the leaders of hezbollah, iran, syria, palestine, sudan and who ever else is an active warrior against the western liberal lifestyle..

It is sad to think that many organizations still operate in the open in damascus, tehran, cairo, arabia & more, they can have radio, tv stations, hold telathons, purchase billions in weapons...

to compare what has happened is close to what happened with the "iron curtain" we now have a selected pockets of "islamists" from england to canada, to south carolina, to bali, to it's base in the arab/persia/islamic world...

so no treats today for the kids, but i did sent an email out to all those I KNOW personally from TWA to let them know some small measure of justice was served.

It aint over, we aint even in the 2nd quarter...

congrats to whomever for erasing a mistake...

2/13/2008 06:46:00 AM  
Blogger Barry Meislin said...

So many questions....

Might Zbig have planned his visit to pay his last respects?

Will Rowan Atkinson declare several days of mourning?

Will Norman Finkelstein sit shiva?

Will Noam Chomsky, in sympathy, fulminate against the American and Zionist enemies of civilization?

2/13/2008 06:55:00 AM  
Blogger Barry Meislin said...

Oops. Should be "Rowan Williams".

2/13/2008 06:57:00 AM  
Blogger Bill Carson said...

“Hezbollah has blamed Israeli agents”

More likely one of Muganiyeh’s associates wanted $5 million bad enough to kill him.

“On October 10, 2001, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, three of the alleged hijackers, Imad Mugniyah, Ali Atwa and Hassan Izz-Al-Din, having been earlier indicted in United States district courts for the 1985 skyjacking of the American airliner, were among the original 22 fugitives announced by President George W. Bush to be placed on the newly formed FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list. Rewards of $5 million for information leading to their arrests and convictions still are being offered by the United States.

2/13/2008 07:10:00 AM  
Blogger buck smith said...

the "murderous organization is still up and running"

I have thought before that ultimeately the US will be in an existential fight with Hezbollah. But maybe we can beat them cold war style, especially if we stay in Iraq.

2/13/2008 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger Storm-Rider said...

We know that there is eventual hell to pay for those who choose to commit evil acts, such as Mughniyeh. What of those like Williams, Finkelstein and Chomsky? What is the price to be paid for those who defend the evil-doer, either by nefarious choice or through moral stupidity? I wonder if these Western defenders of evil realize that they just might be riding the tiger?

2/13/2008 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger The Anti-Jihadist said...

At least the Times Online article W . links to calls a spade a spade when they described the deceased. This evil man was a terrorist and the Times at least calls him that. And that's being charitable.

Today's CNN coverage of the passing of this beast typically adhered to the 'militant' moniker. What PC rubbish--but it's business as usual for the Mainstream Media sort.

It's regrettable that this enemy of liberty was allowed to waste oxygen for so long, decades after murdering US citizens and committing other acts of war. Better late than never, I suppose.

I love the irony of using a typical terror weapon-the car bomb- to off a master terrorist (in Damascus, where else) My hat's off to whoever did it.

For all the other terrorists are hiding out in places like Damascus, Teheran, Khartoum or Aden...Here's to hoping they are all sleeping a bit less soundly tonight.

2/13/2008 08:05:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I'm glad to see that someone is still at war with terrorism. Perhaps this could serve as a reminder to our current government of what we should be doing instead of colonizing random nations across the world.

2/13/2008 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger Alexis said...

Yes, Mr. Mugniyeh, there is a god. Now you face His judgment.

2/13/2008 08:14:00 AM  
Blogger Barry Meislin said...

Speaking of calling a spade a spade, here's some Canadian, um, nuance.

2/13/2008 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger eggplant said...

Bill Roggio over at comments on Mugniyah's transition from this Earthly coil. The car bomb that helped him on his way was setup by professionals (probably Israeli). It's a bit annoying that the Israelis are getting all the credit and not one of our spooks. Must have been quite difficult to get close enough to the bastard to plant the car bomb. The Israelis must have an extensive spy network setup in Syria. Between Hezbollah, al Qaeda, the Mossad, the CIA, Iraqi ex-Baathists and all the rest, Damascus must be a real den of intrigue (like Shanghai in the 1930s). I wonder how the Syrians manage it (or not)?

2/13/2008 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger NahnCee said...

The Palestinians kill giant bees on a children's show.

The Israeli's reach out and into an enemy country and kill world-renowned terrorists.

They took out two of our buildings. We took out two of their countries.

Life is good.

2/13/2008 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger Insufficiently Sensitive said...

Where did I see that the Obama campaign had recently sent emissaries to Syria? What an opportune time for one of our fearless MSM reporters to ask Senator O some probing questions about his approach to this sort of terrorist... that is, if any reporters could have as much success getting close to the Senator as the anonymous car-bombers did getting close to Mughniyeh.

2/13/2008 09:15:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

There was a day when even the most deranged Palestinian knew that Israel would reach out and touch him no matter where he hid.

I'm glad to see this oxygen stealer turned to dust but I have to see a whole lot more dust piles to believe that the angel of vengeance is really back on duty.

2/13/2008 09:19:00 AM  
Blogger eggplant said...

Off topic: Does anyone know what percentage of Obama's campaign expenses are being paid for by George Soros? It just occurred to me that the best way for George Soros to be elected President is to hire a good looking, silver-tongued, empty suit to function as his sock-puppet...

2/13/2008 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger Fred said...

This is outstanding news! There are many people in heaven, including the 260 Marines, "high-fiving" this event. Their murders are avenged, and civilization is served well that this vile piece of excrement is excised.

2/13/2008 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Navy diver Robert Stethem

2/13/2008 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger bansheewailer said...

Mughniyeh has been mulched
explosively dry-gulched.
Hear al-Lah's houris' laments
fornicating the fragments.

2/13/2008 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger M. Simon said...

Lisbon. 1914 - 1945. esp 1935 - 1945

2/13/2008 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger Peter Grynch said...

hfuyvqrgScary news for eggplant:
It turns out that George Soros is also a supporter of John McCain!

2/13/2008 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger eggplant said...

Peter Grynch said:

"Scary news for eggplant: It turns out that George Soros is also a supporter of John McCain!"

Interesting but not significant. For Soros to have significant influence, he needs to be funding hundreds of millions of dollars. The money funded to McCain was hundreds of thousands of dollars (pro forma?). I suspect Soros is funding Obama for significant amounts of money but have no data to support my suspicion.

2/13/2008 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger dima said...

He was getting old, probably got a bit careless believing that long time has passed and Jews were not after him anymore. Probably developed some dangerous habits and got identified by someone working for Mossad.

2/13/2008 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger A Jacksonian said...

We shirk from the duties of Nation against Private War as we are too civilized, too effete to call it as it is. Thus we forget that being civilized means treating those uncivilized to what they deserve. By wanting everything neat, clean and civil, we forget those who care not for nicities of civilization and Nation and wish to bring them down for their own way to rule. In the US we have taken the easy path to ignorance and so, in our ignorance of what Nation means, we no longer adhere to those things handed to us to be a Nation.

We ask inane questions of 'why doesn't civil law cover this?' and forget the Law of Nations allows Congress to make law for those that would abide by it or who are captured by civil forces. The civil law is made that way to allow those who wish to answer for crimes or are forced to answer for them to do so in simple terms: do you wage Private War or not?

On the battlefield there can be no civil law to cover those that take to no Nation and fight under no command nor flag nor will not be held accountable. The Laws of War are made for those that adhere to the Law of Nations and fight for their Nation. We forget that in our ignorance, and forget that one President understood that being Commander of the Armies and the Navies and being Head of State and Government vested within him that duty to tell the Nation those who are no Nation that attack us Privately. And he put forward the simple battlefield rules as was his right handed to him as that Commander and Head of State which no Congress may abrogate. By forgetting *that* we dishonor him and our forefathers who meted out that justice to those who fought that way with the weapons of war to their own ends.

We are lulled into the simplicity of civility and war that is Public and wish to forget the past that has seen crude war, personal war, Private war that has attacked Nation after Nation under many guises throughout history and the do our duty as is our right to them. For all those looking to 'liberal' views of humanity, this is the most basic view of humanity for survival that is the basis of all liberality: it defines the outlaw as not just one evading the law but who has gone outside the protection *of the law*. When such take their hand against civilization to attack and destroy it, to bring down cities and Nations what is done with them?

Do you ask them over to tea to kill you?

Many today want *just that* and our ancestors had a word for those so civilized they would no longer protect themselves against those seeking their destruction: decadent.

In a state of decay.

Imad Mugniyah was one of those and a horrific individual spreading his knowledge of death and dishonor across continents. From Kenya to Argentina to Canada to Chechnya to Pakistan and beyond. He took to Private War and never sought protection of justice, but sought to use it against those that would apply it so he could apply the weapons of war outside all law. For killing in many lands he was outlaw. For destruction upon the sea he was Pirate. For robbing civilians of their lives to gain power, he was thief and brigand.

For all those he wantonly killed to his own ends there will be no final justice as no trial could ever bring them that, in their hundreds dead. He flouted human rights and did those things in all treaties that put him outside them: he disdained them and held himself as justice beyond Nations and Peoples. All those who wage Private War do so be they al Qaeda, Hezbollah, ETA, FARC, Shining Path, Abu Sayyaf.. their ranks are many, their views destructive and their aims clear to themselves that they want none of what is good and wish to define that to all others based on their beliefs.

To Hell With Them All.

And all of those who help them, as was done in the past lawfully.

We do not teach these things any more.

How can you forget them if you never learned them in the first place?

2/13/2008 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger Brian said...

I believe the Israelis when they deny involvement. They would have no reason to deny involvement in this if they did it. Indeed, they would benefit from taking credit.

That makes me think that it was either Syria, Iran or France. Note: Syria has not said a word about this bombing on their soil.

2/13/2008 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger Zenster said...

Wretchard: there is something disquieting about how an organizational Hezbollah which has committed acts of war against the United States and other states across international boundaries can still be in business today.

The only thing that amazes me is how Mughniyeh wasn't on my list of top terrorists. What really stands out about this is how if "Mughaniyeh was regarded as a particularly difficult target", then why have we not been able to off a whole lot more of the less experienced and newer terrorist operatives?

Without trageted assassinations, we are forced into fighting this war one-bullet-at-a-time. As A Jacksonian noted:

On the battlefield there can be no civil law to cover those that take to no Nation and fight under no command nor flag nor will not be held accountable. The Laws of War are made for those that adhere to the Law of Nations and fight for their Nation. We forget that in our ignorance, and forget that one President understood that being Commander of the Armies and the Navies and being Head of State and Government vested within him that duty to tell the Nation those who are no Nation that attack us Privately.

Attempting to use conventional warfare against terrorists will lead only one place. Namely, UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE IN THE FORM OF NUCLEAR WAR. Due to Islam's collective death wish, our unwillingness to exterminate terrorism's top echalons will lead directly to a Muslim holocaust.

2/13/2008 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

Where did I see that the Obama campaign had recently sent emissaries to Syria?

Probably here, in Michael Totten's Assad Suckers Obama. Obama has publicly come out against Hezbollah's shennanigans in Lebanon. But Totten argues that Obama has fallen into the trap of thinking that making nice to Assad will rein in the Hezbollah. He also believes Obama reflexively and wrongly believes the Bush administration policy in Lebanon to be unilateral, when in fact there are so many players in it (including the UN and France) that even in the case of Mughniyeh's demise it's hard to say who pushed the detonator button.

But if America had assassinated Mughniyeh there would be no shortage of newspapers who would now be accusing the US of "destabilizing the peace process" engaging in "illegal assassinations", etc. It would not be beyond the realm of possibility that had the US done the deed for Mughniyeh's heirs to sue for wrongful death. After all, he hasn't been 'convicted' of anything, has he?

2/13/2008 02:22:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

--from "The Prince"

"You must, therefore know that there are two means of fighting: one according to the laws, the other with force; the first way is proper to man, the second to beasts; but because the first, in many cases, is not sufficient, it becomes necessary to have recourse to the second."

-- Niccolo Machiavelli

2/13/2008 02:37:00 PM  
Blogger lugh lampfhota said...

There is no reason for the Goode people to know how or who killed this murdering brigand. That he is dead is all that matters.

I expect my government to employ Men who will ruthlessly seek and silently terminate these brigands without fanfare. To those who would question the deed for political gain I say, go to hell.

There are those here and abroad who choose State of Nature. They should die as they lived. The wages of sin are death.

2/13/2008 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger section9 said...

wretchard, let's be clear about why the Hez are still around.

They are very, very good at Lebanese Shi'ite politics. They terrorized Amal out of existence, then set up social welfare handout programs using Iranian funds, extortion, racketeering, and whatnot, to finance the political growth of their movement.

Plus, the Izzies overstayed their welcome back in the Eighties.

Hezboallah is around because they are good at what they do, and they have some popular legitimacy among Shi'ite Lebanese. Now, they tossed some of that away since the war. Hassan Nasrallah's toadying to Damascus and Tehran do not become a Lebanese Nationalist, and are now seen as just another pain-in-the-ass militia that wants power in Beirut.

That's a huge accomplishment for the West and for the Christian faction. Removing the gloss of "Independence Fighters" from Hezboallah's CV is something that we worked hard to achieve.

All that said, good on the people who did away with Mughniyeh. Probably the Syrians burned him.

After all, "dead men tell no tales."

2/13/2008 04:00:00 PM  
Blogger Utopia Parkway said...

This article has a thoughtful analysis of the Mughniyeh killing.

Mass murderer Mughniyeh was the worst of the worst and his death will set HB back quite a way. He was involved in every major HB action since the beginning. They will not easily replace him.

HB and Iran will have to think long and hard to come up with a suitable act of revenge. If their fingerprints are found it could start another war.

After the Israeli killing of Nasrallah's predecessor Musawi in 1992 HB attacked Israeli and Jewish targets in Argentina. Because of corruption in Argentina at the time the blame was kept off HB and Iran for years so there was no quick response. Things might be different now.

2/13/2008 05:29:00 PM  
Blogger buck smith said...

Which of Syria's borders has the most traffic in people, terrorists, arms & money?

Wretchard noted a long time ago that one of the big value of being in Iraq and fighting in Iraq was intelligence. Intelligence is won "by grappling with enemy." For four years US forces in iraq have been making patrols, detaining people, interrogating them and, not the least, releasing them. I think (hope) this assassination is blowback On Iran , Syria and Hezbollah for the trouble they have fomeneted in Iraq.

2/13/2008 08:29:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Interestingly in Vince Flynn's latest novel, Mitch Rapp of the CIA kills a terrorist who resembles Mugniyeh. Maybe Flynn knew what was in the works.
With Zarqawi, Shamil Besayef and this chunk of crap meeting justice; the old bulls in Hell like Stalin, Mao and Hitler might have a run for their money.

2/13/2008 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff Kouba said...

It's pure speculation, but fun to wonder if this is in anyway related to the defection/disappearance/whatever of Iranian General Asgari in Turkey a year ago.

Asgari and Mughniyah knew each other.

2/13/2008 09:51:00 PM  
Blogger Whiskey said...

I agree with both A Jacksonian completely (if you have not stopped by already, his blog is EXCELLENT) and Zenster also.

But I think we may be groping our way to a solution. Conventional warfare generates too much opposition. Perhaps a limited bombing campaign with few cameras around and an unsympathetic (read, White and Christian) target like Serbia.

But mostly, what Mark Bowden described in "Killing Pablo" ... a small set of Special Forces, electronics surveillance people, and CIA operational liason, assist locals to wipe out rivals who make enemies.

Perhaps that happened to Muganineh but if not ... it might be the "solution" to contain AQ.

But if that fails, Obama and the rest will have but one alternative. Nuclear.

2/13/2008 09:57:00 PM  
Blogger watimebeing said...

Zenster What really stands out about this is how if "Mughaniyeh was regarded as a particularly difficult target", then why have we not been able to off a whole lot more of the less experienced and newer terrorist operatives?

The Bekka Valley was Imad's home, where Hezbollah has its home, and is home to some high value poppy crops. Anyone care to guess what the IDF found in its raid there during the late brush up with Hezbollah? Unfortunately it wasn't the kidnapped soldier, but fortune may have smiled in other ways, on Free Lebanese. Just a thought...

2/14/2008 12:57:00 AM  
Blogger Starling said...

TAJ wrote: "Today's CNN coverage of the passing of this beast typically adhered to the 'militant' moniker. What PC rubbish--but it's business as usual for the Mainstream Media sort."

To my surprise, Al Jazeera International, the English language channel, has a fairly balanced story that they have run over the last 12-18 hours. They list in serial form the major crimes of which Mughniyeh was accused by the US. While they don't call him a terrorist outright, they do mention that both the US and Israel deemed him so.

Now where AJI doesn't disappoint is in the calibre (pun intended) of the guest analysts and commentators, most of whom are Middle Eastern. Here we find people speaking for the need for and absolute certainty of revenge attacks against Israel.

They also call Mughniyeh a freedom fighter, a Lebanese national hero, and place him on a par with Rafik Hariri, the Lebanese billionaire assassinated 3 years ago today.

2/14/2008 03:19:00 AM  
Blogger Juan said...

How do we know he's dead? Do we have a corpse? A DNA comparison?

Oh no, we have the word of those paragons of truth*...Hizbullah.


2/14/2008 06:01:00 AM  
Blogger Captain USpace said...

Good riddance to the terrorist monkey, maybe Nasrallah will be next.

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
mourn terrorist monkeys

your brainwashed people
will join you making a scene

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
hope your kids grow up

to strap bombs on babies
to kill other children

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
form a terrorist country

then wish to be destroyed
by committing acts of war

2/17/2008 09:53:00 PM  

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