Thursday, August 09, 2007

Top of the Charts

Does it mean anything if an anti-terrorism tune tops the pop charts in Pakistan? The INDC Journal provides a link to the video with subtitles. And it's viewable past the "Read More" link.

I think that most Muslims (at least in my experience) are normal people. But normal people, like anyone else confronted with a oppressive, armed influence, are afraid to speak out. It takes a core of individuals, unafraid to be counted, unwilling to yield before tyranny, to give normal people back their voices.

It is often argued that fighting terrorism, after September 11, fueled terrorism. I think that historians will eventually discover that the reverse was true. If America had not responded in a measured, but effective way, the voices of normal people would have stayed stilled by fear.

And to those who show each generation anew what it means, by example to be men, we owe a debt of gratitude. More than we can express, but more to the point, more than we can ever know.


Blogger Pierre said...

Islam, Mohammed Cartoon, Islamists is this how INDC and Dean Esmay believe this should work?

Sort of odd how everytime we get something like this as an example of Islamic moderation it turns out to be not so much against all forms of terror but against terror which aflicts other muslims.

I guess we should thank god for small favors and be happy they don't want to kill everyone.

8/09/2007 08:55:00 PM  
Blogger Pierre said...

Here is the example I was thinking about...
Gateway pundit seeing what he wants to see
Gateway Pundit seeing what he wants to see…Muslims protesting Terror
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Here is a comment I left on his site.

That is a very deceptive headline as it leads people to believe that it was a demonstration against all terrorism.

This seems to be a demonstration against the more specific sort of terrorism of muslim against muslim. Laudable no doubt but unless you have other evidence it doesnt count as muslims upset at Terror bombings in Israel, London, Madrid and the United States.

Are we reaching for examples of muslims protesting the sort of terror we are familiar with in the West?

Sadly I started out believing that such examples must exist only to be disappointed by every single example highlighted by those in the west searching for a pushback.

Hat tip Instapundit

Gateway Pundit: Massive Muslim Protest in Bahrain Against Terrorism

Irish Pennants notes the massive “anti terror” demonstration without making the point that it is entirely a demonstration against Muslim to Muslim terror. This is not a protest of terror from Muslim to infidel…and it damn well should be.

8/09/2007 08:57:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Not the first time Gateway's done that, unfortunately.
Barak's Butterfly Wings
Can Musharraf contain the militant threat?

8/09/2007 09:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

At least 52 die in battle between military, rebels in S. Philippines

MANILA, Aug. 10 (AP) - (Kyodo)—More than 52 people were killed, including 25 government troops and two high-ranking members of an al-Qaida-linked Muslim extremist group, in a fierce gunfight between soldiers and rebels in southern Philippines, an army spokesman said Friday.

The fighting erupted early Thursday when a group of suspected Abu Sayyaf rebels ambushed a military convoy in Indanan on Jolo Island, killing 10 soldiers and wounding two others, and continued into the night in neighboring Maimbung where 15 soldiers and 27 rebels were killed, Philippine Army spokesman Col. Ernesto Torres said.

The military also believes at least two high-ranking rebels -- the close aide of one-armed Abu Sayyaf commander Radullan Sahiron and the son of Abu Sayyaf leader Umbra Jumadil alias Dr. Abu Pula -- died in the clash, Torres told Kyodo News.

8/09/2007 10:55:00 PM  
Blogger Steve M said...

Does it mean anything? Yes, pop music hits can provide enormous publicity for a cause and so it means a great deal. I posted on this about a month ago as I think this sort of initiative should be given our full support. I'd like to see "Yeh Hum Naheen" make a big impression on the UK charts as well as in India and Pakistan.

8/10/2007 05:17:00 AM  
Blogger joe buz said...

Yes, it means that it has a catchy beat. I wouldnt read too much into this. Color me jaded but I doubt that the Talibannies have it crankin on their cave blasters.

8/10/2007 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Whiskey said...

Wretchard --

Muslims are people but one who form families in radically different ways.

We in the west don't practice polygamy, female genital mutilation, cousin-marriage, tribalism in general, and have what Islam lacks: the nation-state, patriotism, and the rule of law.

So unless/until (unlikely ever) Muslims form families and the fundamental unit of society the way we do, we will always be at war with them.

Given how technology/trade brings us into close contact.

Tribal Muslims in Pakistan assault and kill polio vaccine teams, including doctors. Un-Islamic don't you know.

8/10/2007 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger LarryD said...

... the nation-state, patriotism, and the rule of law.

Ignoring many of the Leftists in this country and in Europe, who don't believe the law applies to them, are tribalist (identity politics) instead of nationalist, and love no country, yeah.

8/10/2007 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

American Thinker
Congressman calls for Hearings on Islamic-Mexican Drug Gang Connections

The DEA reported that Islamic radicals, disguising themselves as Mexicans, had hooked up with drug gangs in order to fund operations overseas as well as make use of the cartel's established smuggling networks in order to move people and other contraband into the Southwestern United States.
Michael Maxwell, a senior analyst with the House Appropriations homeland security subcommittee, said that the report is evidence that terrorism cells exist in the U.S. and are being aided by dangerous narco-trafficking cartels.

"While the procurement of fraudulent or multiple identities by terrorists to hide criminal activity is not new, the information suggests terrorist tradecraft is evolving and relationships now exist between Mexican and Middle Eastern individuals or groups, embedded here in the United States," he added.
The report also showed that there are active terrorist cells here in the United States being funded by drug money.

Needless to say, getting control of our borders becomes even more urgent with the release of this information. We are sleepwalking our way to another 9/11 and neither the Administration or Congress seem able to deal with the problem of border enforcement that might prevent such a catastrophe.

Hat Tip: Ed Lasky

8/10/2007 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Doug Hanson:
I showed over a year ago how this problem has been pushed under the rug since the early 90s.

So, while Representative Ed Royce's efforts are commendable, the problem is much deeper than even he realizes. Not only are we dealing with an alliance of Islamic terrorist and drug dealers, but a professional force of largely Eastern Bloc special operatives hung out to dry because of the demise of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact.

In this case, "embedded" is the correct term since these operatives have had over a decade to establish a politico-military infrastructure along the border. Calling for hearings at this late date will not hinder these operations one iota.

Executive action is required and so far, the President or his military chiefs have shown no stomach for protecting our sovereignty agaionst foreign aggressors.

8/10/2007 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"Ignoring many of the Leftists in this country and in Europe, who don't believe the law applies to them, are tribalist (identity politics) instead of nationalist, and love no country, yeah."
That explains it:

Bush is a leftist!
He doesn't believe our immigration laws apply to him, and he promotes big government "solutions."

Wish I had thought of that.

8/10/2007 10:42:00 PM  
Blogger Charles said...

Bush is a leftist!
He doesn't believe our immigration laws apply to him, and he promotes big government "solutions."

Wish I had thought of that.

This is not quite right. the bush family has picked up the mexican passion for family. what this means in practice is that since the bush's have intermarried with mexicans -- that -- in order for bush to stay in good odor with his kin -- he has to push integration with mexico. this keeps his family well knitted.

but it tears the rest of the country up.

8/11/2007 07:46:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Family Values:

As 15 year old Dani Countryman struggled beneath Gilberto Arellano Gamboa, pinned to the floor with her pants down, he called on his cousin to help subdue the girl. Alejandro Rivera Gamboa responded by stepping on Countryman’s throat until she stopped moving.

That’s how investigators described Countryman’s death in a court document released Tuesday. Evidence outlined in the document included statements by the defendants and a bloody shoe that matched an imprint on Countryman’s chest.

Gilberto Javier “Gabe” Arellano Gamboa, 23, who is also known as Rivera Gamboa, and Alejandro Emeterio “Alex” Rivera Gamboa, 24, were arraigned Tuesday in Clackamas County Circuit Court on charges of aggravated murder. Through a Spanish-speaking interpreter, they acknowledged the charges against them and asked for warmer jail clothes.

New rule: When importing savages make sure to have plenty of sweaters on hand. The poor dears might catch a chill
Compassionate George, and his works.
Ash will call for outlawing hard-soled shoes.

8/11/2007 05:58:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

'Rat said,

The 15 year old girl, the one that the two hard workers at jobs Americans won't do tried to rape and then killed, she was really a looker, a real parental pride and joy, I'm sure.

Smiles and happiness just exude from her picture. More than just a pretty face, but she certainly had one. Damned shame.

Pitiful job the Federals are doing.
Worse than bad
here, see for yourselves.

8/11/2007 05:59:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Too bad the MSM does not keep a body count of innocent citizens killed by Illegals on GWB's watch.
Dwarfs our military losses.

8/11/2007 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger Pangloss said...

Pierre, as I commented on my site:

The counter-insurgent faced with an insurgency hiding among a people under the grip of terror has a choice of two roads.

1. The Broad Highway: Raise the terror stakes. Terrorize the people more than the insurgent can so that the people give up the insurgent out of fear and self-preservation.

2. The Narrow Path: Protect the people from the insurgent and give them examples of how to stand against the terror that the insurgent brings. Once the people stand against terror that is aimed directly at them, they have become empowered. Then they are ready to stand against other types of terror activity, even against terror inflicted on the counter-insurgent.

Either path seems to work well enough. The first path is traditional, "realist." It is also evil, as is pretty clear, and leads to moral degeneracy in the counter-insurgent and the people. The second path is the Bush doctrine, causes greater casualties in the counter-insurgent force, but also strengthens the people and the counter-insurgent in moral fortitude and resolve.

We are at the beginning of a long counter-insurgency and war. The normal muslims haven't yet begun to carry their load. They must start carrying it someday, or very bad (3 Conjectures bad) things could happen.

8/11/2007 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger Charles said...

I've been at at wide screen live feed of the willow creek leadership conference for the last couple of days. Willow creek church is outside of chicago. I saw their conference over big screen live from washington dc. there were a two other churches in the dc area that had live feeds. There were about 5000 at the church I attended. They're posting these all over the world these days. They go out to a couple hundred churches--mostly in the USA. I heard there was one in manila. I heard the attendence in Manila was about 2500.

I liked the speakers. They help provide a sense of true north. I like john ortberg's presentation on "shadow missions" best. but there were other good speakers as well
willow creek

8/11/2007 11:02:00 PM  
Blogger High Power Rocketry said...

: )

8/12/2007 06:29:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Bread and a Circus, Part II of II

8/12/2007 06:41:00 AM  
Blogger NoGenius said...

Unfortunately Pierre, you have a point, and yes we are reaching to some extent possibly. Would like to see this long ago as well....But at the beginning of any 12 step program, realization of the problem is step one.

I do observe though that these 'pop stars' are very 'Westernized' in their appearance, and possibily there is a realization that their life style is threatened.

8/12/2007 07:06:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus Aurelius said...

I recall reading a column by Mike Royko where he talked of this notion as music as an engine for social activism/change.

He said if music such as written by Bach (all of them), or Mozart (all of them) et. al. did not stave off the wars and social ills of their times then why does anyone think music today will do the same?

South Park's hippies invade South Park episode illustrated it very well. Stan tells the crowd sitting around listening to music, eating, and smoking hippie hay was not going to anything accomplish anything. The musicians on stage nod in agreement and then when they get the microphone back the guy on the microphone says they are going to change that by rocking harder!

8/12/2007 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger Charles said...

I just came from watching a tv program on the creation of those massive manmade islands in Dubai in the shape of a palm tree, the world and a crescent.

It definitely gives the impression that the USA is making the Dubai safe for well healed vacationers.

Dubai reckons to run out of oil 2016. So they want to create something to replace oil revenues.

Such a little country. Such big vision & forsight.

Here's two posts this week on water desalination.

Craig Ventor At Large/Computer Modeling Gets Small

Intermediate Term Solutions

8/12/2007 08:42:00 PM  
Blogger Marzouq the Redneck Muslim said...


You nailed it! And that is why it will be a long COIN war. It is my hope the people of Iraq are truly wising up. It seems from field reports and Roggio that fruit is coming forth.

The Petreaus Leadership Team which includes the Ausie Kilcullen has the expertice. The Surge Troopies have been drilled prior to surging, I believe.

The training effort and vetting effort are gaining steam. These jobs used to be given to "last choices" but now are becoming assignments given to higher quality troops. It is beginning to show.

Steady now.... Steady for the long haul.

Salaam eleikum!

8/13/2007 05:10:00 PM  
Blogger Marzouq the Redneck Muslim said...


Please check out this link.

There are some of us who want conciliation.

Salaam eleikum!

8/13/2007 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Saudi Arabia makes first music video

DUBAI • The Arab world's hugely popular music video industry often features sexy performers in revealing clothes crooning about love. But the first clip to be fully produced in Saudi Arabia has a message of a different kind: You can be cool and devout.

The video is unusual because it was made in a country where the religious establishment considers music un-Islamic and bans it in public places. And the main cast includes a Saudi woman, something rare in a work produced inside the kingdom.

8/13/2007 11:31:00 PM  

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