Tuesday, August 22, 2006

1701 on life support

Though many people reflexively disagree with President Bush, his statement that the ceasefire in Lebanon under UNSC Resolution 1701 will collapse unless a major European country makes a substantial contribution of troops to an expanded UNIFIL force will probably meet with wide agreement. It is now hoped that Italy will fill the gap left by the sudden refusal of France, co-sponsor of 1701, to send more than 200 men to the contingent. The problem is that the Europeans have no intention of disarming Hezbollah by force, which would require high intensity combat operations and politically unpopular casualties. France actually wanted an assurance that Hezbollah would be "safed" before they made their appearance. MSNBC reported: "French officials on Tuesday (Aug 15) insisted Paris would resist leading a bolstered international force in southern Lebanon without Lebanese government assurances that Hizbollah, the militant Shia group, would be disarmed. ... French officials accept that disarming Hizbollah would not happen overnight but say an international force could not be deployed until a demilitarized zone was created."

Nor would the "international community" leave the disarmament of Hezbollah to Israel, even under its residual right to self-defense under 1701. The UN actually warned Israel that it was violating the ceasefire simply by using force to interdict arms smuggling from Syria -- arms meant to attack Israel.

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan views the Israel Defense Forces' commando operation near Baalbek over the weekend as a violation of the cease-fire agreement, UN envoy Terje Roed-Larsen told Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni during their meeting in Jerusalem Monday. "If you discovered arms smuggling, you could have complained through diplomatic channels," Larsen told Livni.

There was something of the air of unreality about Italian Foreign Minister Massimo D'Alema statement on Tuesday that "From Israel, we expect a renewed effort, this time truly binding, to respect the ceasefire. It's fair to expect that Hizbollah put down their weapons, but we cannot send our troops to Lebanon if the (Israeli) army keeps shooting." The ceasefire was fragile indeed if the last European country willing to send a substantial force into Lebanon conditioned its participation on those terms.

What a new UNIFIL might be expected to accomplish, in the event that it ever deployed, was illustrated by the current UNIFIL's inability to even be noticed by Hezbollah. Arutz Sheva reports:

Hizbullah terrorists have shown their strength against UNIFIL guards at a funeral parade in Lebanon, where they dragged away U.N. barriers and opened gates. They had been told they could bury three terrorists at a cemetery outside the town of Nagoura, inside a UNIFIL compound, on condition that they did not wave political slogans or Hizbullah flags. During the procession, several hundred chanting Hizbullah supporters overcame the French guards, who said, "They will eat us alive." The mob then waved Hizbullah flags and carried portraits of terrorist leader Hassan Nasrallah.

UNIFIL sure showed Hezbollah who was boss. In a fantastic world of diplomat-speak, the Hashmonean asks the pertinent question: where is Resolution 1701? "Kofi Annan keeps slamming Israel (business as usual), saying it is in breach of resolution 1701 - as if there is a resoluton 1701." The resolution was supposed to provide an internationally supervised buffer zone and staunch the flow of arms to Hezbollah. Those are the words. But in reality the French have decamped, Hezbollah continues to arm, unmolested by the UN and Israel is sternly warned not to interfere -- on pain of being cited for violating the ceasefire. Kofi Annan does well to cite the words, because words are all that remain of 1701.

Sadly but not unsurprisingly, a Israeli cabinet minister has openly called for the construction of more bomb shelters in anticipation of a possible conflict with Iran. It's always a bad sign when a ceasefire evokes not bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover, but presents itself as prelude to a larger war. The question, even as President Bush sought a new UN Security Council resolution providing Italy with workable rules of engagement, was whether this effort would put the region firmly on the road to peace or merely rearrange the deck chairs on a ship sinking from wounds no one had the fortitude to look on. With Iran signaling its intention to reject the Security Council proposal to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for a package of incentives, the connection between the Lebanese ceasefire and the regional ambitions of Teheran grows ever harder to disentangle. The question is larger than any answer a brigade from Italy, however valiant, can provide.


Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

If you win a war, you get to dictate the terms of surrender or a cease fire. Next time, win.

8/22/2006 05:59:00 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

Okay, I'll go first. Bush and Rice got raked over the coals for 1701 by many in the Washington commentariat. However, what I was told was that the two understood that 1701 wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, and that 1701 was the lifesaver designed to extricate Olmert from his execrable handling of the IDF.

Condi doesn't appear to be making much of an effort to save 1701. Other than emphasizing Israel's right to defend itself and winking while the IDF bombs targets in the Bekaa Valley, you'll see 1701 whither on the vine, as both sides prepare for the Second Round.

1701 was designed, imho, to give an unprepared IDF a breather to kit itself out for a wider, regional campaign. The tales of reserve units going into Lebanon without food, of empty storehouses for whole units, and of contradictory orders speak of an IDF at crosspurposes with its old self. One that was not prepared for Lebanon, much less for a wider campaign in the Syrian Levant.

Six months from now, when the war starts back up again, you will see a far different IDF.

However, what is still uncertain from our point of view is the makeup of the Israeli Government. The Olmert Government is painfully indecisive. That is the proximate cause of much of Israel's misfortune in the last war. That needs to be changed.

Next time? IDF comes out smokin', as the White House had originally hoped. Boy President finds a new career in Opthamology. Nasrallah isolated from Iran, finds himself out on the street with a tin cup. He goes into politics. Dinner Jacket is down two big chesspieces.

8/22/2006 06:09:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...

All we were saying,

Is give diplomacy a chance

Rats, doesn't rhyme, does it? Now that's a problem.


8/22/2006 06:14:00 AM  
Blogger Faeroe said...

It seems to me that the UN has violated 1701 by not providing the troops to put a meaningful UNIFIL contingent in place. France blustered at the table, then surrendered the field. Hezbullah parades in the streets and intimidates the existing French contingent.

Let's all hope that Chris has it nailed.

8/22/2006 06:24:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus Aurelius said...

IMO, the best way to summarize that resolution with respect to the Hezbolalah weapons was "Don't ask don't tell".

8/22/2006 06:27:00 AM  
Blogger Triton'sPolarTiger said...

2164th: Agreed.

OT - it's Aug 22. Will Bernard Lewis prove to be a prophet?

Russian plane down over Ukraine / 170 souls lost, according to FOXNEWS...

8/22/2006 06:29:00 AM  
Blogger Teresita said...

chris said:

However, what is still uncertain from our point of view is the makeup of the Israeli Government. The Olmert Government is painfully indecisive. That is the proximate cause of much of Israel's misfortune in the last war. That needs to be changed.

Peretz will probably take the fall for the botched campaign and be pushed aside to allow Netanyahu to take the defense minister slot (this is possible because Olmert's Kadima party is centrist). Of course, Olmert will hamstring Netanyahu with edicts and the next conflict will be botched as well, but the third time's the charm!

8/22/2006 06:33:00 AM  
Blogger Ed onWestSlope said...

Statements like the following amaze me. Not because I have a 'dream like' view of how the world operates but, that such statements, when taken in context, are allowed to stand without ridicule.

" Italian Foreign Minister Massimo D'Alema statement on Tuesday that "From Israel, we expect a renewed effort, this time truly binding, to respect the ceasefire. It's fair to expect that Hizbollah put down their weapons, but we cannot send our troops to Lebanon if the (Israeli) army keeps shooting." "

2164 says it well "Next time, Win"

Now it is time to impress the good ole U.S of A. to do the same.

8/22/2006 06:34:00 AM  
Blogger HK Vol said...

"If you discovered arms smuggling, you could have complained through diplomatic channels," Larsen told Livni.

OK, we complain through "diplomatic channels." Now what are you going to do about it? Nothing? Then what is the point of going through "diplomatic channels?"

You either put up or shut up.
Quiet now? I thought you would be......

8/22/2006 06:37:00 AM  
Blogger Teresita said...

triton said:

OT - it's Aug 22. Will Bernard Lewis prove to be a prophet Russian plane down over Ukraine / 170 souls lost, according to FOXNEWS...

Well, bear in mind, NATO has codenamed this plane "Careless":

15 December 1997: A Tu-154 crashes in the United Arab Emirates, killing 85 passengers and crew.

29 August 1996: A Tu-154 crashes into a mountain top, killing all 143 people on board.

7 December 1995: A Tu-154 with 97 people aboard disappears en route to the far eastern city of Khabarovsk.

3 January 1994: All 124 people on board a Tu-154 plane are killed when it crashes in Siberia, as well as a farmer on the ground.

8/22/2006 06:45:00 AM  
Blogger Teresita said...

hk vol wrote:

OK, we complain through "diplomatic channels." Now what are you going to do about it? Nothing? Then what is the point of going through "diplomatic channels?"

To cover up the fact that you are accepting what you had previously declared was unacceptable.

8/22/2006 06:46:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Teresita....peach looks very nice on you. As an extra you comments are always like way kool.

Now my question to the universally knowledgeable BC'ers.

Why do we continnue to pay any attention or play any games with the UN?.. One on one diplomacy worked just fine for centuries. Sure countires still went to war but this UN thing is way over due for the ash heap of history.
We all know it's corrupt as hell and our tax dollars keep it afloat.
Ditch it.
BTY good morning all.

8/22/2006 06:52:00 AM  
Blogger Triton'sPolarTiger said...


Definitely a checkered history - the FOX report didn't lay out that level of detail, but did indicate this particular piece of equipment has been problematic in the past.

I fly this evening - big US city to midsized US city - US carrier - regional jet... not overly concerned... but will be a bit more "curious" about fellow pasengers than normal.

8/22/2006 06:55:00 AM  
Blogger luc said...

When you think of how Israel will do in the next war, keep in mind the following paragraph from the DebkaFilearticle entitled “Mounting protest among Israeli army reservists who served in Lebanon against the military and national leadership” August 21, 2006, 8:22 AM (GMT+02:00):

“The reservists repeated the grievances of other units that they were sent into battle without appropriate equipment, food or water. Worst of all, their orders were confused, contradictory and unrelated to what they found in the field. Tactical intelligence data was missing throughout the campaign, forcing them to fight blind.

Last week, the brigade’s commander, Col. Shlomi Cohen, called the protesters “impertinent” and threatened them with court martial.”

I would suggest that if TODAY, not tomorrow or next week, Col. Shlomi Cohen is still the brigade commander, Israel will not do any better next time.

8/22/2006 06:58:00 AM  
Blogger snowonpine said...

The appeal to the UN--that bunch of venal, malevolent clowns--has now become a comic opera or circus act with Kofi and co. arriving in the clown car. France as "Miles Gloriosus" is perfect for its role. The Italians, warriors all--of whom the Germans said in WWII that their tanks had 10 gears, all in reverse--should probably each be issued with a big red nose to complete their uniform for their performance as the ferocious keepers of the peace.

Do we need, do we even want the approval of this pack of fools? Fools, I might add, that overwhelmingly suport the goals of Islam. What a waste of time and energy that could be much more productively used in seeing to Israel's and our own defenses.

8/22/2006 06:59:00 AM  
Blogger HK Vol said...

Not to fear!
The French Troops have arrived!
Pretty fearsome, eh?
You haven't seen anything yet!

The video you didn't see on BBC:

8/22/2006 07:06:00 AM  
Blogger Triton'sPolarTiger said...


Similar concerns here - I understand Bush is trying to form another coalition wrt Iran, but when I hear him say that there should be consequences for those who thumb their noses at the security council, I find myself thinking "Whoaaaaaa there, Tex, don't delegitimize thumbing ones' nose at the SC - the way the UN is going, we're gonna have to do that one of these days."

8/22/2006 07:06:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Off topic--but I have to tell ya--harvest is over--but don't give up on America yet--as long as we have engineers back east that can create such a wonderful machine as the J. Deere 9650--hey!America isn't done yet!--you could talk to your lawyer in the cab of this machine--cool in there, and never heats up all day long--I remember sweating my ass off and blowing that radiator out four times a day on the old 6602--but hey!, this baby has ground reading radar, this baby has auto speed control--this baby,....this baby, you could blog in this baby while harvesting. Don't give up on America yet!!!

8/22/2006 07:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I told you folks you were overlooking something; Attacks are Down 70%.

8/22/2006 07:11:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I volunteer to police the beaches of Lebanon once Hizbollah is disarmed.
M. Doug

8/22/2006 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have to scroll down one story.

8/22/2006 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I posted 20 deaths vs 1000 last year at your big religious function.
Good Show!
Peace be Upon You.

8/22/2006 07:14:00 AM  
Blogger luc said...

snowpine, maybe I am prejudiced but I think the Italians in WW2 nad recently in Iraq have shown incomparably more spine than the French. However, that may be irrelevant in regard to 1701, as teh italians seemto have second thoughts also. But I wonder if maybe we are too harsh on UNIFIL and make too many excuses for the Lebanese themselves; why do we accept so easily that Lebanon is unable to disarm Hezbollah? Maybe preventing another civil war in Lebanon is not such a good idea! O what a heresyOh, what a heresy to suggest that a nation of several millions should be able to dispose of an unwanted private army, even if it is supported by one third of the population.

8/22/2006 07:15:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Yeah, past ANOTHER Soviet Air Disaster.

8/22/2006 07:15:00 AM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

Sure, give the ass-lick diplomats their chance
Again to do their useless little dance.
Each UN puke his own career advance
by winking while hizb’allah’s folks enhance
their weapons which so frightened bitty France.
At smuggled arms they’ll look askance.
At last we see that Koffi wears no pants.

8/22/2006 07:16:00 AM  
Blogger Anointiata Delenda Est said...


universally knowledgeable BC'ers.

Writing as one, I will presume to interpret the mind of our esteemed host: Following two of the most penetrating posts on the net, he felt we needed to lighten up.

So, for a joke, he used the phrase "United Nations". Then to cap it all, he said "peacekeepers".

I'd cry, except for I feel Iran, Syria, and the French have been set up.

And the winner will be France.


8/22/2006 07:17:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

And the Weiner of the Nubile Piece Prize will be France.

8/22/2006 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bob, I bet you would love that old 39', I think it was, John Deere I cut my teeth on. You had to crank it by manually spinning (boy, that's not the right word) the flywheel.

I hope you had a good year. When do you meet with the banker?

8/22/2006 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...


I've got an old Farmall Cub. Obviously nothing like your JD9650 but I still get a kick out of it. It's really just a gentleman farmers toy but the allure of a tractor is forever.
I quick learned which side your thumb goes on the crank when you give it a whirl.
Hope you get a good price for your harvest.

8/22/2006 07:23:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"I hope you had a good year. When do you meet with the banker? "
He complains about $4/bu wheat, when he should be paying to ride around in that Bentley.
I survived the old Tricycle Turnover Model.

8/22/2006 07:26:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

How'd I know you'd have a cranker too!!

I just take my Springfield M1A (civvies M-14) and I'm mechanized!

Now if could just get an ole Napoleon cannon then ......

8/22/2006 07:27:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I was tasked with mowing the lawn on a Nike Base with a Farmall.
Dozed off, and the axle snared the cyclone fence, steering tractor into the fence, ripping out same!

8/22/2006 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Another ole tractor fella..well I'll be darn!

8/22/2006 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

We had a 56 Farmall:
Can anybody top that?

8/22/2006 07:30:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Errand and workout time ..back later ..all the best

8/22/2006 07:31:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

That means "no."
Take care of old Habu, tater, he's gittin frail.

8/22/2006 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doug, check my above post. I'm pretty sure that old John Deere was a 39'. Might have been 36', that was a long time, ago.

I managed to hang a disk up in in a tree, surrounded by a mudhole, in the middle of a 20 acre field. My poor father just shook his head; I thought he was going to cry. When my father was too shocked to cuss, I knew I was, indeed, a certifiable idiot.

8/22/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

How we survived, I'll never know.
I lost a few parts myself.

8/22/2006 07:37:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I worked for a guy that disked himself in, and survived, then his nephew almost killed me w/a D-6 Shaker rig.
(walnut farmer)

8/22/2006 07:40:00 AM  
Blogger Dave H said...

We probably (I hope) learned a valuable lesson from the Lebannese Fiasco, and some subsequent rvents in the UK.

We have no reliable allies in the world in the conflicts coming in the near future. Such alliances as we will have will be forged on the battlefield.

Those who say quit funding the UN are fools, that would not put it out of business. We tried reducing their funds in the past and that did not work either. Bush may be giving it the correct treatment in allowing it to demonstrate its' total corruption and futility. We should howver reduce the amount of funding it gets from the USA and start charging more for the real estate.

8/22/2006 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

F-22's, F-35's, B-2's, PAC-3's, M1A2 Abrams Tanks, John Deere 9650's, and we're still sending our troops into battle with BB Guns; Go Figure!

8/22/2006 07:44:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...


8/22/2006 07:46:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

I guess I'm older than I thought, but there was not much I could not hit with the M1 Garand Rifle.

8/22/2006 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come out, Come out, Whoever you are.

Kudlow, via Instapundit, wants to know, Who's Hiding that Pork?

8/22/2006 07:52:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I could do a mean parade rest with an M-1 Carbine.

8/22/2006 07:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2164, if you missed, It was You, not the M-1. Or the M-14, either.

And, he didn't get up and shoot back, either.

8/22/2006 07:56:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Child Molesters and Senators should be searchable on the internet.

8/22/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger Tarnsman said...

The Germans in WWII hated the M-1 Grand and for good reason. Awesome weapon. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.

8/22/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Hey!! Out of desperation, I hired these custom cutters. I am really almost out of farming now. But man, I just got to tell you, after sweating my ass on an '02 for years,---you just wouldn't believe what a BEAUTIFUL piece of machinery this was--well, I quess I've talked enough--but, DON'T GIVE UP ON AMERICA YET!!! It was like a beautiful sailing ship or something, or like a really beautiful woman. Man!!

8/22/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Back on topic. Israel will have to finish the job it started and botched. They will get no satisfaction from any UN resolution. No one will do her work for her. How long will it take them to prepare and execute? Just how out of fighting form is the IDF?

8/22/2006 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

Well... I hope everybody has got all the piss and vinegar out of their system now so we can return to the sober discussion of Sonia and her most favored nookie treats.

My firefighter “wife-that-was” liked to relax when she got home from her shift at the station by hopping on her tractor and dragging tree stumps and boulders from the fields. Or using the snow-plow front end attachment to bury a road-killed deer carcass under the compost.

Come to think of it, I got out just in time.

My idea of gardening has always been to use a hand-powered spade. That’ll never get me in line for a Department of Ag Money-for-NOT-cultivating allotment. Too dumb to recognize a sure thing.
- - - - - - - - - - -

Feels like 4th of July — “Wonder where’s the best place to watch the fireworks?”

8/22/2006 08:02:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

But you never told us what part of that woman you broke!

8/22/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

I can usually catch a glimpse of the silver lining in the darkest cloud, even if it's a passing reflection, but I ain't seeing none of it here.

Is there any reason to believe that Olmert will act any differently if the katys start flying into N. Israel again? I doubt it. When the IDF finally sprinted to the Litani I thought it was to encircle and then attrit HB during a withdrawal to the border. It seemed a reasonable plan but ended up as ephemeral as every other IDF bold move.

Even if there were a no-confidence vote today there wouldn't be elections for 90 days. The Israelis are stuck with the incompetent liberals they elected and may pay more dearly for it than anyone could have imagined.

I would like very much to hear the explanation of how this French/European perfidy works to our advantage. I know that at least some hold the view that the French are smarter than the rest of us and are working a master plan.

8/22/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"bury a road-killed deer carcass under the compost"
How about her armpits?

8/22/2006 08:05:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

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8/22/2006 08:08:00 AM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

Dear triton’spolartiger,

Is the apostrophe in your nom-de-net like the apostrophe in Hizb’allah? Should we be worried?
And if so, what’s a “spolartiger?”

Seriously, good luck with the body cavity searches. They say it’s easier if you learn to relax. I recommend mineral oil over Vicks Vapo-Rub.

8/22/2006 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...



That's one of several things that fooled me.

8/22/2006 08:12:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

"3 January 1994: All 124 people on board a Tu-154 plane are killed when it crashes in Siberia, as well as a farmer on the ground."
Time to retire, for sure Bobal, thank your lucky stars.
(not the Red One)

8/22/2006 08:15:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Doug, I'm tellin' ya, I'm getting too old to break any woman or horse or even a tea cup, but I am telling you, we have a future as long as we keep going forward. You younger boys and gals, you keep going forward, and protect that CONSTITUTION.

8/22/2006 08:15:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Fiddler: Stealth Cave Woman!

8/22/2006 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recommend mineral oil over Vicks Vapo-Rub.

Fiddler, this might be a bit more information than we're prepared to process. :)

8/22/2006 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Tastes do change with age, tho.

8/22/2006 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

(re: Cave Women)

8/22/2006 08:18:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

habu_3 asked:

"Why do we continnue to pay any attention or play any games with the UN?"

The answer, even Bush can now tell you after our experiences of trying to 'go it alone', is that it is in our interest to engage at the UN.

8/22/2006 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Iran reported ready for 'serious negotiations' on nuclear program

Tuesday, August 22, 2006; Posted: 10:56 a.m. EDT (14:56 GMT)

"TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iran's top nuclear negotiator Tuesday delivered his country's response to a package of incentives offered by the U.N. Security Council's five permanent members plus Germany in exchange for halting its uranium enrichment program, Iranian media reported.

Iranian TV reported that the response includes an offer to return immediately to serious negotiations on Iran's nuclear program in the coming days, but did not address the sticking point of whether the Islamic republic will put the brakes on its nuclear activities first."...

They are very serious this time.

8/22/2006 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

... very serious about continuing obstructive contrarian tactics.

8/22/2006 08:24:00 AM  
Blogger Evan said...

Dave H. wrote:

We probably (I hope) learned a valuable lesson from the Lebannese Fiasco, and some subsequent rvents in the UK.

The main lesson we are learning, I think, is that Western Europe (Britain excepted) has no resources left for any global military activity because they have spent it all on the welfare state. I'm not sure anyone, in the U.S. government or elsewhere, fully understands the implications of the retreat of Europe from military means. At a minimum it means more European free-riding on the American military when they decide military action is necessary, and more resistance to the whole idea of military force when it's not. But beyond that, no one knows.

8/22/2006 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are very serious this time.

Sure they are.

/ sarcasm off /

8/22/2006 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger epictetus said...


I appreciate your criticism. You accused me of cognitive dissonance in my desire to change Iran's regime in the short term coupled with my desire to spread liberty and freedom long-term. I'm sure our current policy with regards to Iran looks like cognitive dissonance to much of the world too.

Long-term Iran is going to have nukes. Iraq's going to have nukes. Saudi Arabia is going to have nukes. I hope my neighbor down the street doesn't, but he probably will have an over-the-counter gene kit which could be used to create a smallpox virus engineered to kill only me.

I believe it has been a mistake to frame the issue as one of Iran getting nukes or not. This makes us look like hypocrites who are simply trying to keep the poor Persians/Muslims down. I think the issue should be framed as 1) Iran is a SELF-declared enemy of ours, 2) through their support of terrorist organizations they have deliberately harmed us in the past and promise to continue doing so in the future, 3) therefore they are fair game. All of this flows directly from the Bush doctrine. Has Bush repudiated himself?

Sometimes I think he has. Sometimes I think he simply doesn't have the will to follow through on what he thinks need to be done. Certainly the public support doesn't seem to be there. Other times I think about how China and Russia would feel about us toppling Iran, seizing their oil fields, and installing a "friendly" regime there like we did in Iraq. Truthfully, I don't see how they could let us expand our control anymore in that part of the world. China needs that oil far more than we do. If I was China, and Bush REALLY started to threaten the overthrow of Iran, I would send troops in to support them. Would the world blame THEM for this? Hell, our own democrats would support them in their war of "resistance."

In terms of why the most violent ideologies in our world MUST change long-term, I cannot say it any better than our host. . .

And that message, surprisingly, is that we must love one another or die. J. Robert Oppenheimer thought, as he beheld the fireball of the first atomic test at Alamogordo, that he heard the Hindu god Shiva whisper "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds". He understood at that moment that mankind's moral capacity would have to expand to match its technical prowess or it would perish. If Islam desires the secret of the stars it must embrace the kuffar as its brother -- or die.

8/22/2006 08:33:00 AM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

I'm getting too old to break any woman

The only difference between young and old is that when you're young you acutally think you're in charge. When you get older you know that you never were and never will be.

8/22/2006 08:35:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Peter Boston--I am old enough to appreciate the wisdom of your words!!

8/22/2006 08:38:00 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

A couple of things.

1. There is a crying need for the U.S. to disengage from Korea and much of NATO, to free up more personnel for operations elsewhere. This speaks to the previous poster who mentioned Europe's politics of appeasement, which only exist because of her dependence on America. Take that away, and they must get serious.

2. Netanyahu should not join the Olmert Government. Churchill was Admiralty under Chamberlain for a time, but they were both Tories. Olmert's first instinct will be to do what he can to saddle Bibi with restrictions so that when Bibi does fail, he is blamed, and not Ehud. Teresita gets props for figuring this out. If Netanyahu must join a national unity war cabinet, then he must insist on a free hand for IDF reform, resupply, a vast increase from the Finance Ministry for infantry and Reserves training, and a free hand for the General Staff when time comes to take the war to the Boy President. That much must be understood, on pain of his resignation.

3. 1701: still as dead as a doornail, as I'm suspecting it was intended all the time. The one thing that the Israelis and their enemies have in common is that no one pays attention to the Eurotrash. One of the things the conservative commentariat in DC doesn't understand is that Bush and Condi have both dealt with Chirac and Annan before, and understand betrayal. 1701's collapse was probably expected. It was the execrable performance of Olmert that was a surprise.

8/22/2006 08:40:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

PeterBoston said...

I'm getting too old to break any woman

The only difference between young and old is that when you're young you acutally think you're in charge. When you get older you know that you never were and never will be.

aye, the key to a long marriage is the liberal (can I use that word here?) use of the phrase "Yes Dear"

8/22/2006 08:43:00 AM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

BUCHAREST (Reuters) - Romanian oil firm Grup Servicii Petroliere (GSP) said on Tuesday one of its offshore drilling rigs in the Gulf came under attack by an Iranian military helicopter. Al Reuters

Sounds more like a contract dispute than a dustup but certainly an indication of Iran flexing some muscle.

8/22/2006 08:43:00 AM  
Blogger Meme chose said...

I think this brief conflict represents a significant step forward in the 'Phony War' which has been going on for some years now.

It gave the Israelis a wake up call they clearly needed, concerning the state of the IDF and the capabilities of their leaders. The Israeli people seem to have got the message, even if their leaders haven't yet.

It has also forced the 'old Europeans' into the open, by clearly demonstrating that their armed forces and their politicians are ready to do anything except fight.

Somebody pointed out the other day (Mark Steyn?) that all of the multiculturalists' carping is based on an assumption that we win militarily every time, as without that one assumption their critiques are all irrelevant. As soon as people in Europe realize that in practice today they have no defense at all, 75% of them will abandon the multicultural illusion. It will become unfashionable overnight even to admit that one ever subscribed to such ideas (cf UK, 1939).

This conflict in Lebanon, and the current comedic aftermath to its interruption, represent a useful milestone on the way to the realization that Europe is defenceless because its largest coutries have no defense capability. A realization which is right now sinking into the consciousness of many Europeans as well as Israelis. This is the precursor to real fear, the one thing left capable of creating resolve.

That this was achieved in just a few weeks, with the loss of just a couple of thousand lives, and preserving a 10:1 IDF:Hezbollah kill ration is as good news as we are likely to get, as we slide towards the inevitable wider war.

8/22/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Ash--you are right--I have been married for 25--a lot of 'yes, dear' works wonders--and I do not know what I would do without my good wife now....she likes to go to the library....low upkeep,so to speak, high emotional support..a good woman, a beautiful sailing ship, a 9650...hey it could be a lot worse....

8/22/2006 08:53:00 AM  
Blogger Nathan said...

Ironically it probably is in our interest to continue to engage with the UN. US veto power and funding assures that the UN is effectively neutered as any kind of alliance of interests opposed to the US. Although the various constituents of the UN may be free to bitch and moan as they please, there is not a damn thing they can really do about anything, as we are seeing now. And it may be that we should keep it that way lest somebody figure out that they can do better for themselves without our help.

The UN will form a bloc if the US divests. It is better to maintain control over a crippled organization of potential enemies than to risk that they become a fully functional organization on their own.

8/22/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

meme chose

Anyalytically you are probably right-on but there is no evidence leading to the belief that Old Europe will act any differently six months or six years from now.

If anything the evidence shows the Islamists gaining more influence in European affairs, both internally and externally.

8/22/2006 09:00:00 AM  
Blogger Meme chose said...


Wait till you see what real fear can achieve in an instant. For one thing, many of the 'unhinged left' will swing over to become equally 'unhinged' in their demand for the capability to do some real damage to the enemy. With Europe the issue always seems to be whether the insouciance been allowed to run along until it is too late to respond effectively.

One would think that in an age of nuclear weapons this 'too late' point could not arrive, but in fact European nuclear arsenals are pitifully small. The Arabs may suddenly surprise Europe in this area, just as Hitler did in conventional terms.

8/22/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger ppab said...

Re: European defense

Janes explains the following for the 2006 Defence Conference:

"Unlike the United States, Europe has no huge and excellently financed buyer with the power of the Department of Defense. The ministries of the European Union have neither collective vision nor individual budgets that are capable of shaping European provision, acquisition and the positions of defence industry suppliers. [...] It is in the demand side of European defence that the greatest obstacles to efficiency and economy lie[...]"

The states just don't "want" defense.

On the anecdotal side, I've had many europeans chide me for gun ownership, specifically criticizing the implicit self-importance in advocating self-defense - especially by means of firearms.

They laughed, thought it was beyond practical - that security was open to cultural interpretations like food, and American notions of security were as just as offensive as the demons fought by brave men such as Morgan Spurlock, Eric Schlosser and Naomi Klein.

Nike & McDonalds and the Avian flu are on their radars. Funny how the warmongering barbarians are just purveyors of kabob, hookahs and mysterious passions.

8/22/2006 09:11:00 AM  
Blogger ppab said...

re: the "third option" i.e. the "vigilantes" etc


UK-based security specialist ArmorGroup has called upon the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to create a "more responsible" private security industry by means of universal rules of engagement (RoE).

Hired by governments and the private sector, private security companies (PSCs) are carrying out direct-action tasks, close protection, surveillance work and mine detection in over 50 countries worldwide, with varying RoE.

According to international humanitarian law, staff of PSCs, which are not part of the armed forces of a state, may not be targeted and may not take a direct part in hostilities.

If PSCs choose to take part in direct-action operations, they lose protection from attack and if captured are not entitled to 'prisoner of war' status and can be tried for participation in hostilities, even if they have not violated international humanitarian law.

A spokesman for the ICRC said: "Different measures both before and during deployment are essential, including standard operating procedures and rules of engagement that comply with international humanitarian law."

Something like this could develop into a regime for privateers thats more advantageous than the bottleneck present within Letters of Marque, right?

Something to follow...

8/22/2006 09:15:00 AM  
Blogger Meme chose said...

It is worth noting, by the way, that this latest Franco-Italian fiasco is likely to accelerate a major shift in the GWOT which is already under way. The Islamists are in my view increasingly going to target Europe rather that the US.

The US has established itself as the enemy which strikes back hard. Europe has revealed itself quite differently. The necessary Muslim networks are in place in Europe on a large scale in Europe, not so in the US.

Now we see the scenario about which the Europeans have been concerned for so long, from the moment it became clear that GWB intended to deliver a sustained rather than a pro forma response to 9/11.

They were right to be concerned.

8/22/2006 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nathan, you're right of course, but it's not nearly as much fun as the U.S. out of the U.N., U.N. out of the U.S. position.

8/22/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The necessary Muslim networks are in place in Europe on a large scale in Europe, not so in the US.

Meme, I think this is the "telling" phrase.

8/22/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger Teresita said...

peterboston said:

If anything the evidence shows the Islamists gaining more influence in European affairs, both internally and externally.

So even if the international community succeeds in stopping the Iranians from getting a "Muslim Bomb" who's to stop the Muslims from winning control of France's Bomb by a combination of ballot box and brown-shirt style intimidation?

8/22/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

teresita, that very thing is hinted at in today's WSJ. The coming Shia love for democracy and the ballot box.

8/22/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

meme chose

If you were OBL's security adviser wouldn't the European Strategy have been the best way to go from Day One? OBL went the bridge too far on 911 and lost his chance at international legitimacy in Afghanistan. Perhaps attacking the Big Satan was conceived as a recruiting tool but sporadic successes notwithstanding Europe was always the better target.


We all have fun with France's lack of military vigor but there is little doubt in my mind that the French government has a line across which the Islamists will not be allowed to cross. During the carbeque there were no incidents in the "French" districts in Paris. I don't think that was coincidental.

The French are asses but they will remain distincly French asses regardless of Abdul's intentions.

8/22/2006 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Triton'sPolarTiger said...

meme chose:

It is worth noting, by the way, that this latest Franco-Italian fiasco is likely to accelerate a major shift in the GWOT which is already under way. The Islamists are in my view increasingly going to target Europe rather that the US.

Good point. The jihadis would do well to remember that Europeans have shown the capacity to get downright nasty in the past... pushed enough, Europeans just might harden sufficiently to become suitable allies... but not before a bunch of'em die first, I'd wager.

8/22/2006 09:47:00 AM  
Blogger ppab said...


Agreed, Sudan, Somalia and Spain seem like the designations. Barnett suggested in his CSPAN presentation the other day that this may be a sign of success - we can't nuke them all, so lets get them away from the valuable stuff, i.e. energy resources.

The fight doesnt end in Somalia, Sudan and Spain, but it may create a situation more favorable to US interests. The problem becomes one of containing the jihadi forces in these areas. This area would include Europe. Something to get used to maybe?

And how do we protect ourselves from Europeans?

Take LMT's latest skunkworks offering:

"Polecat technology could lead to two operational vehicles, according to Cappuccio: an intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) vehicle with a U-2-like (1,800 kg) sensor payload and a 24-hour endurance; or a long-range strike aircraft with a 6,800 kg payload and a 3,700 km operational radius. He added, however, that Lockheed Martin is still pushing the idea of a supersonic UCAS for the LRS mission, citing studies that show that it would be seven times more survivable than a subsonic UCAS and five times better than the FB-22 bomber derivative of the F-22 fighter."

from here

Technology is no substitute for strategy, but new tools can offer new options.

This is one step closer to the prophesized swarms of weaponized insects swarming around the post-caliphate deserts.

Question is, what do we do about Dearborn?

8/22/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger Triton'sPolarTiger said...

mad fiddler:

The handle correctly transcribed would be Triton's Polar Tiger. I just squeezed'em together to make something easier to type. Shoulda pulled the apostrophe...

But, not to worry - native-born, constitution-loving, American citizen residing in the true heart of the country, the US South...

Most of my friends sound like P_Tater. ;-)

8/22/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

(ht instapundit) This is a good essay on the changing popular attitudes toward the war-fighting prowess of the western elites (good links, too).

8/22/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger Annoy Mouse said...

I concur Nathan,
They say keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The UN is useful in that it is a forum for all nations and tongues to be chronicled and their official points of view registered for the world to see. If it weren’t for the UN we’d have to rely on the media for an information exchange between nations. Besides, the UN has been making fools of themselves and if we have no allies who can see through the theater of lies then tough. A US pull out would create a vacuum that would be gladly filled by Beijing, Moscow, and Tehran.

8/22/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Bolton himself said (a few weeks ago in an interview query about 'frustration with the UN') that his main job is to prevent what would happen if he wasn't doing what he does there.

8/22/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Teresita--you are smart, and I really like reading what you say, but how can you be a Taoist and a Social Darwinian at the same time? I would debate you on this. There is a word--it's called compassion.

8/22/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

FOX News talking heads are all about Iran and it's leadership.

UN Sanctions on Iran will mirror, in effectiveness, 1559 & 1701.

The return to the status que in Lebanon and Iranian uranium enrichment both spoken of as "Unacceptable" by US.

Guess it's all about what the meaning of "is" really is.

8/22/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

I guess if anyone had any information about Fox news' Steve Centanni and the camera operator Olaf Wiig, someone would be linking.

The silence of the rest of the Mainstream Alleged News Media on this kidnapping reiterates that they are working FOR THE OTHER SIDE, and regard the intimidation, kidnapping, and brutalization of Fox personnel as either perfectly acceptable, or unworthy of their notice.

Contemptible fecal bits, every one of 'em.

8/22/2006 11:17:00 AM  
Blogger tim said...

This link has some interesting history about Jefferson and the Barbary pirates. Possibly relevant, too. http://rs6.loc.gov/ammem/collections/jefferson_papers/mtjprece.html

8/22/2006 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger Achilles Jones said...

Iran agrees to serious talks. People, please take note.

This is a momentous event. Iran has learned well how to deploy North Korean tactics...stringing everyone along until the eleventh hour, then concede to begin to talk...all the while buying time, buying time, buying time.

It was a brilliant move today, aided by the irresponsible Bernard Lewis who added a paranoid air of doom about the date... and now the tables are spun. Now WE must look like warmongers again for refusing to talk, or look like obstructionists when we try to refocus the agenda of the talks, or look like suckers by giving Iran another six months of talks that will be stalled and sabotaged at Iran's initiative.

Iran's conditions for 'serious' talks will, of course, be the backing off by the west of any ultimatums and conditions that disrespect the IRanian regime. Then we can begin several weeks of talks about how the tables and chairs should be arranged when the 'official' talks begin. Then we dicker about the agenda for a month or two....etc.

Meanwhile, Iran knows full well that in a few months, Israel will be at war in Lebanon again, and the pressure for talks will go below the fold again. In fact, Iran controls the timing of when the next round begins in Lebanon.

No, today's annoucement by Iran was simple and brilliant. It took the wind out of our sails again. North Korea still plays this game of brinksmanship very well, and so does Iran.

My dream would be a true, earth-shaking ultimatum by the US against the Iranian regime. Begin with a two week notice of a historic forthcoming statement by Bush to the Iranian people. Build it up by aligning it with some Christian holy date of great importance. Begin leaks abouth how trident subs are redeploying. Actually begin a massive call up of reserves. Then when the date finally comes, the President delivers a rousing call to the Iranian people to take to the streets and overthrow the Mullahs, to become ungovernable within 48 hours. That now is the day of Iranian Nation, not the Islamic state. He must give a list of cities and sites from which civilians must immediately withdraw to a safe perimeter of 25 miles. And then he must give a 48 countdown. In other words, he must take the initiative in creating at atmosphere that scares the lving shit out of the regime and the people, and instigates a coup. [The stakes would really have to be all or nothing.]

There must also be a clear declaration that the Saudi oil fields are world strategic assets and will be defened with nuclear counter strikes.

Then, if there is a coup, fine and good. If not, tactical nuke bunker busters take out the relevant targets, and at least one small tactical nuke is exploded above ground at some site for an EMP effect over most of Iran.

EVery attempt must be made to give the Iranian people a chance to get away from ground zero. Public announcements by the president to this effect must be made. Just the thought of panic and mass traffic jams as the people run will loosen the ability of the mullahs to govern. Along with propaganda that "your evil bastard regime has brought this on you, but we care about you", the air on planet earth will suddenly become crystal clear, as the whole world holds it's breath and awaits the great Superpower's big move.


It won't actually happen. I don't think we will do anything that will slow down the Iranian nuke program. In the end, we will concede to the Saudis, the Egyptians, and the Turks developing their own nukes in a regional arms race against a nuclear Iran. ISrael will lose its nuclear monopoly in the area and will become a second rate regional power. Its army had chosen already to become second rate. Israel will then do all it can to prevent a emigration wave to the land of the free.

End rant. Thanks for your patience.

8/22/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger Eggplant said...

"Meme chose" said:

"It is worth noting, by the way, that this latest Franco-Italian fiasco is likely to accelerate a major shift in the GWOT which is already under way. The Islamists are in my view increasingly going to target Europe rather that the US."

"Triton's PolarTiger" responded:

"The jihadis would do well to remember that Europeans have shown the capacity to get downright nasty in the past... pushed enough, Europeans just might harden sufficiently to become suitable allies... but not before a bunch of'em die first, I'd wager."

The Europeans suffered far worse than we did from Soviet Cold War agit-prop. Over the decades, the Soviets pumped billions of dollars into making the Europeans nice soft pacifist targets for a Red Army invasion that never happened. It's small wonder there is anyone in Europe who isn't a fully confounded moonbat.

It'll take a major shock to snap them out of it (maybe they can't).

8/22/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger Annoy Mouse said...

I can’t watch the news because there isn’t any. Seems all the stations are talking about some alleged child molester and murderer. F’ the world I want to know more about a creep who is seeking attention. The world has stopped to exist…. News at eleven.

8/22/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger jc said...

About the UN:

Whenever the UN acted as a cop,which I believe it was what it was originally intended to, the only instance being during the Korean war, namely taking sides, the side of the wronged, threatened, victimized, bullied, it showed how effective it could be.
Unfortunately, the UN has become a judge, striving to enforce a pseudo-neutrality, sitting on a fence, and threatening people with peace. A kingdom of political correctness nesting snobbish diplomats/lawyers with no accountability whatsoever who think they control the world.

The Romans said "Si vis Pacem
para bellum" (if you want peace prepare for war)who would ever doubt their wisdom?

8/22/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...


no one knows the way of the Tao. if they say they do they don't

8/22/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Maybe the French secretly want the Israelis to finish the job.

8/22/2006 11:40:00 AM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

Dear Triton'sPolarTigger

I was only jes' messin' witcha.

Didn't mean to cause stinkface.

8/22/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Could not happen to a nicer guy.

Last Updated: Tuesday, 22 August 2006, 14:44 GMT 15:44 UK

Pakistan atomic expert has cancer

The public will be kept informed of Dr Khan's condition. Disgraced Pakistani nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan is suffering from prostate cancer, the government says.
He was diganosed following a routine medical check up in early August.

The scientist who confessed to leaking nuclear secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea has been kept under virtual house arrest since 2004.

8/22/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Keep your friends close and dah dah,yadda,yadda.

Other than the Korean War when the Soviets boycotted the Security Council meeting at the wrong time we have gained EXACTLY WHAT from our association with the UN?
Since the end of colonialism (a vastly premature move) we have been reviled in the General Assembly and lost more than we've ever gained in the Security Council.
We can more easily conduct OUR foreign policy in OUR interests by not being a member of the UN.
What are they going to do, vote to attack us..absurd. Without our billions they will fold and we will still be the BIG DOG. Except this time unencumbered by an organization that mirrors the mafia in it's best days.
It has outlived by a score or more it's usefullness to the world.
Returning to one on one negotiations would benefit the USA immensely.
And has already been mentioned withdrawing our forces from Europe would force them out of their 30 hour work week and socialism into the real world of defending themselves and actually producing something.

8/22/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger Teresita said...

bobalharb wrote:

Teresita--you are smart, and I really like reading what you say, but how can you be a Taoist and a Social Darwinian at the same time?

Mastery of the world is achieved by letting things take their natural course. You can not master the world by changing the natural way. (Chapter 48).

I would debate you on this. There is a word--it's called compassion.

The 10,000 things take form and rise to activity, but I watch them fall back to their repose. When salmonberries flourish it is impossible to walk through them, but when they store their juices for winter and retreat the way becomes clear again.

Flourishing is not constant,

Retreating is not constant,

But flourishing and retreating are constant (Chapter 16).

8/22/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Moonbattery talks about Dems and Walmart, and Thomas Sowell talks about Islamists and Nukes.

8/22/2006 11:55:00 AM  
Blogger desert rat said...

circles and cycles
scenes that we've all seen before

8/22/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Teresita said...

habu_3 said:

no one knows the way of the Tao. if they say they do they don't

Only because those who know the way of Tao don't say they do.

8/22/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Habu--I think that is true--I think that they affirm there is a perfect human experience--which is the goal of life--that can not be talked about--because it is beyond language--but it is not Social Darwinism--I take most of my thinking(for what it is worth) from Aldous Huxley, Henry James, Shakespeare and Jesus. Not neessarily in that order.

Arthur Avalon(his pen name, was a judge in English India)says, having read and studied the writings of those he was judging---that we should respect their writing and their thought.

There may be a perfect human experience--and once you have it--that's it, you are there.

8/22/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger Teresita said...

peterboston said:

We all have fun with France's lack of military vigor but there is little doubt in my mind that the French government has a line across which the Islamists will not be allowed to cross. During the carbeque there were no incidents in the "French" districts in Paris. I don't think that was coincidental.

Ah, yes, but the very fact that there exist French Districts in France raises a red flag with me, as surely as having American Districts in America would be intolerable.

8/22/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

I remember vividly when following Watergate and the subsequent Senate and House hearings on the CIA my boss telling me with a smile.
"Don't worry Senator Church has prostate cancer and will die soon"
Joy filled the land and that worthless piece of dung died.
We raised a toast to his prostate. for a job well done.

8/22/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

There is a beautiful picture of Ramakrishna in ecstasy. I wish I could down load it but don't know how.

8/22/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

I do believe you have a correct handle on things sir.

Now having said that the Way of the Tao is unknowable I think you got real close this harvest season with that new John Deer.
At least I'm confident you at least had a close to out of body experience.

8/22/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Teresita said...

bobalharb said:

I think that they affirm there is a perfect human experience--which is the goal of life--that can not be talked about--because it is beyond language--but it is not Social Darwinism

Ironically, you seem to find the language of the label "Social Darwinism" to be the one unacceptable thing about the wordless experience that is the highest human calling. But if you are willing to accept it, any total laissez-faire system where humans do not try to plan economics or impose morality, but instead just go with the natural flow, is by default Social Darwinism.

8/22/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

In the 1930’s Europe recoiled from the prospect of another bloody war with Germany.

Their reluctance to stir the hornets’ nest is... well, understandable.

The vast gobbling slaughter of the battles of the Somme and Verdun were within living memory of the generation that had the responsibility of governing.

The aspect of Europe’s lethargy that is most disturbing to me is that they (like the U.S.) have enjoyed fully sixty years of prosperous safety. The distinction between Europe then and now is that in the present crisis, three generations of Europeans that have grown to voting age with their vacations, cultures, property, career options, investments, liesure, provided without any obvious cost to them, via the taxpayers, government, and military forces of the USA. Of course, we provided that to protect ourselves, ultimately.

But the unconsidered effect was to produce a population of selfish, spoiled children that have never paid their own way, and can comprehend neither the actual cost of maintaining their freedom, nor what the loss of that freedom to the Islamic fascists would mean to them.

8/22/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Achilles Jones said...

Nor, might I add, have they understood the need to keep the Gates of Vienna securely locked. Demographics now indicate the eventual conquest of Europe by muslim babies....

8/22/2006 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger Dave H said...

nathan, you expressed what I think about the UN situation pretty well. I was too lazy to do all that reasoning. Nevertheless they are corrupt and useless, you are right its better to have a strsnglehold on them.

Now I see how to get rid of them, it will be expensive but worth it, we must voluntarily increase our contributions to the money pot till we reach some tipping point where whats left will not fund any bloc of loons, then and only then we can cut them off. Never again would they get together and expend their own resources on crack brained ideas, they will just go away.

8/22/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Teresita--I don't know what you are talking about. It is (I think they say) beyond society, underneath society,, past society, got nuthin' to do with society--I have not had the experience, if there is such, but it ain't got nuthin' to do with Social Darwinism, which just comes down to greed, which is puttin the 'world' first, where it should not be, according to them.

8/22/2006 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Frank Church was an enemy of all that is good on the planet. But he thought he was just a super nice fella who thought the intelligence agencies were causing trouble. Wow, the width of that yawning chasm.

8/22/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Disgraced Pakistani nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan...

Somewhere last week (and I no longer recall the source) I was reading that this supposed "scientist" was nothing of the kind, that he was a huckster who, apart from irresponsibly spreading nuclear technology to the most dangerous and irresponsible inhabitants of the planet, made no original scientific or technical contribution of any kind.

Does anyone here know more about this?

Jamie Irons

8/22/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger Dave H said...

Teresita, I'm not happy with the French, Brits, Indians, Russians and God know who else having nukes, Muslim or not. I say make everyone give them up at the point of a nuclear gun. It would have to be done slowly, one counry at a time, just buy them, but get them all. Again there would be atipping point.

Old HST failed, he should have stopped, French, Brits, Russkies and anyone else back in the day. Probably too late by 1947, he should have made that decision Sept 1945.

8/22/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Buddy!!--Frank Church may be most of the things you say, but at least he saved the LAST OF THE SNAKE RIVER CANYON--then he died. Give him credit for what little he did. He is dead, don't ya know....

8/22/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Dave h, Doug MacArthur had the plan already in place--23 nuclear strikes and then no more Communism and its military aggression, and no more nobody with nukes. It's what got him fired.

8/22/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger Ilia Capitolina said...









(Monkberry moon delight...)

(Your letter...)

CATCH UP, (catch up!)

CATCH UP, (catch up!)

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8/22/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

hey, i know that feeling...

8/22/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger Teresita said...

dave h wrote:

Old HST failed, he should have stopped, French, Brits, Russkies and anyone else back in the day. Probably too late by 1947, he should have made that decision Sept 1945.

Do you remember that picture of "Give 'em Hell" Harry holding up the headline "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN" ? That newspaper escaped from the parallel dimension where Truman took a weary country to war again in 1947 to keep the Rooshians from breaking our atomic monopoly.

8/22/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Well, hell, Habu, say what you will--but when my aunt was dying in my arms, age 98 1/2--she talked about music and stars, music and stars, what beautiful--music and stars--put that in your pipe and smoke it.

It impressed me, is all I can say.

8/22/2006 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

Funny how some artist's early work holds up better than the later...

I still savor "Sittin' in the Back Seat of my Car..." . "Guess You Never Knew" , "Uncle Albert" and "Maybe I'm a Man..."

Pity for the tens of millions of iggerant ones who think McCartney didn't do anything before "Wings."

8/22/2006 01:09:00 PM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

Dear Bobble-Harb (yeah, I know...)

The day my mom died from the lung cancer that finally got'er, my brother and I had sat at the foot of her bed, with the rest of the family gathered around, and we played every silly song we knew, interspersed with a few prayers. The one that got a rise from her was "The Cover of the Rollin' Stone"

“Well, we're Big Rock Singers.
We got Go-o-olden Fingers
and we're loved ever-where that we go...

We sing about beauty and we sing about Truth
For ten thousand dollars a show.

We got all kinda pills to give us all kinda thrills
But the thrill we’ll never know...
Is the thrill that’ll getcher when you get your picture
On the cover of the Rollin’ Stone!”

She fought the cancer for almost three years, two years longer than the medics expected. When I visited from the other side of the country, I would accompany her to the chemo-infusion center and play my fiddle. It always amazed me how the folks sitting around there, as miserable as they must have felt with the poisons dripping into their arms, would light up and grin when I played a few jigs and reels, or “Stars & Stripes Forever” or “Stardust.”

That sort of concert experience really made me feel like the lessons paid off.

8/22/2006 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Does the US need a larger military?

Corps can recall Marines to active duty

When looking at the Army numbers, remember that the Army is has used tens of thousands of Air Force personnel to fill its vacancies.

Smaller brigades
Multiple tours
Cannibalization of USAF
Multiple involuntary extensions
Stop loss
Involuntary recalls

Does anyone hear see a pattern?

8/22/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Fiddler--I hear you....going to bed now been up too long--take care....

8/22/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

There have been a number of times when I’ve visited folks in hospital & played my fiddle for’em, that the nurses then dragged me around to play for other folks in various rooms elsewhere... Usually ICU, CCU, and suchlike. It’s been humbling to me to realize it has nothing whatsoever to do with any talent or skill I may have, and EVERYTHING to do with a willingness to spit in the eye of catastrophe and go ahead and have a little fun.

One time, I was brought in (during such an ad-hoc excursion) to the room where a family gathered around an ancient gentleman wearing an oxygen mask and gasping for life. They asked me to play, fer Pete’s sake, some Scottish “chewns”-- jigs, reels, strathspeys.

I nodded, and sawed out a few jolly bits...

The old man stirred, and pulled the mask from his face, and called out: “Get that DAMN FIDDLER AWAY FROM HERE!”

No, not really... he just stirred a little, and everyone gathered closer and touched him gently.

I know the music can’t undo the dying.

But it seems to be able to remind even those who are in their last hours or minutes, of some sort of joy and beauty that transcends.

8/22/2006 01:35:00 PM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

Think it was the Dalai Lama who said, “The most important task we ever undertake in this life is to help someone else prepare for death.”

8/22/2006 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger Teresita said...

the mad fiddler wrote:

Think it was the Dalai Lama who said, “The most important task we ever undertake in this life is to help someone else prepare for death.”

Millions of people have died without preparation and they're no worse off for it!

8/22/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger bobalharb said...

Teresita--that is really an aweful thing to say..

8/22/2006 01:57:00 PM  
Blogger Mad Fiddler said...

Teresita, the Dalai Lama is on the phone, and boy, is he annoyed with YOU!

(Tee hee!)

8/22/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

mad fiddler,

I came from a family of jocks and Marines,plus one squid and a dogface.
I played all the sports,lifted weights and was good.
But I tell my friends kids (I have none) that if they play sports they also need to play the piano or the fiddle. I really wish I had spent less time in the gym and more at the keyboard. Folks just love a good fiddle or a tune on the piano...brings 'em together like nothing else I've ever seen
So good on ya mate and keep making people happy. God love ya.

8/22/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

LOL--the old man in the oxygen mask--

8/22/2006 02:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From World Net Daily, he's trying to avoid it but Olmert’s on the hot seat

JERUSALEM -- Hundreds of Israelis, including soldiers back from fighting in Lebanon, gathered last night outside the Knesset to demand a state inquiry into the government's management of the war and to call for the resignations of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz.

The Israeli reserve soldiers yesterday presented a petition to the government demanding the establishment of a state commission of inquiry. The petition, which received extensive Israeli media attention, blasted the way the Lebanon war was managed.
"There was one thing we were not and would not be willing to accept: We were unwilling to accept indecisiveness. The war's aim, which was not defined clearly, was even changed in the course of the fighting," stated the petition.
The petition continued: "The heavy feeling that in the echelons above us there is nothing but under-preparation, insincerity, lack of foresight and inability to make rational decisions, leads to the question -- were we called up for nothing?
"The crisis of confidence between us as fighters and the higher echelons will not be resolved without a thorough and worthy investigative commission under the auspices of the state. When the commission completes its task, conclusions must be drawn both on the level of strategic planning and national security, and on the personal level of the parties involved. "
The petition accused the Olmert government of placing soldiers' lives in jeopardy on the battle field by cancelling missions or asking troops to hold positions for days without instructions.
"The indecisiveness manifested itself in inaction, in not carrying out operational plans, and in canceling all the missions we were given during the fighting. This led to prolonged stays in hostile territory, without an operational purpose and out of unprofessional considerations, without seeking to engage in combat with the enemy," the petition stated.

8/22/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

For Social Darwinism ( a total mislabelling of the philosophy) please read Herbert Spencer.

8/22/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris stole my thunder at 6:02 but it didn't take inside sources to figure out that Bush and Rice gave the Israelis all the cover they could and then pulled the plug on an operation that was going nowhere. It is a terrible misestimation to think that Condi didn't know where this charade was going.

The only thought that I can add to Chris' post is that eyes are being opened to the true nature of Hamas and Hesbollah and the myriad other jihadi organizations operating under the banner of Islam. Already, Fatah misreading the "victory" is making overatures to Hamas in preparation of a new intifada. This will be a big mistake both militarily and public relations wise. But, what can you expect of wild donkeys?
UN 1701

8/22/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

dave h

Would you be a Sophist in the modern usage of the term? I can't seeing it being any other way. Your contributions have gradually limned into my consciousness that of a modern Sophist.

8/22/2006 02:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Social Darwinism at Wikipedia:
Spencer's work also served to renew interest in the work of Malthus. While Malthus's work does not itself qualify as Social Darwinism, his 1798 work An Essay on the Principle of Population, was incredibly popular and widely read by Social Darwinists. In that book, for example, the author argued that as an increasing population would normally outgrow its food supply, this would result in the starvation of the weakest and a Malthusian catastrophe. According to Michael Ruse, Darwin read Malthus' famous Essay on a Principle of Population in 1838, four years after Malthus' death. Malthus himself anticipated the Social Darwinists in suggesting that charity could exacerbate social problems. Another of these social interpretations of Darwin's biological views, later known as eugenics, was put forth by Darwin's cousin, Francis Galton, in 1865 and 1869. Galton argued that just as physical traits were clearly inherited among generations of people, so could be said for mental qualities (genius and talent). Galton argued that social mores needed to change so that heredity was a conscious decision, in order to avoid over-breeding by "less fit" members of society and the under-breeding of the "more fit" ones.

Genesis for the Culture of Death.

8/22/2006 02:31:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...


I think it extraordinary that soldiers would go public with their criticism so close to the engagement. I guess that's the real meaning of citizen-soldier.

I wonder how much of the SNAFU is Olmert and his cabinet and how much is the IDF command. My guess is 98% Olmert and I hope I'm right because that's a lot easier to fix.

Olmert should resign and force new elections but the chances of that are probably slim.

8/22/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

What is it about the Chewbacca Defense that's wrong?

8/22/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Why is bobal always "going to bed?"
Almost time for a nooner, here, bobal.

8/22/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Olmert claims that he approved every plan his Generals brought to him.

I suspect a thorough house cleaning will occur. We use the word "existential" maybe too much here but in Israel, a lot of complacent Jews have recently learned what it really means.

8/22/2006 02:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

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8/22/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

bobalharb (12:58)

I apologize if said something that offended you, which from your reponse I must have.
I meant no disrespect or uncordial thought be conveyed to you.

8/22/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger snowonpine said...

The line that the French have decided shall not be crossed is probably made of slowly melting Brie.

8/22/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"I don't care if it rains or freezes, long as I got my Plastic Bobble-Harb right there on the dashboard of my car."

8/22/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Air Force Times (28 Aug 2001)

“’Stifling command’ errors led to crash”: 2 airmen among 10 dead in helicopter collision

These two airmen, assigned to satellite communications, had NO 1) “night-time, over-water” training or 2) “crash training”.

Not to worry, says the Air Force report, it was “unlikely” they would have survived the crash.


That must be of immense comfort to the families.


That word sums up the quality of leadership of the current Air Force and Pentagon.

No harm, no foul.

There is no word as to whether the Air Force intends to inquire into the level of training of its thousands of members serving as Army troops.

Oh, the USMC punished three officers, including the squadron commander – no word on any punishment for the officer who assigned this untrained Airmen.

8/22/2006 02:43:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

You'll find plenty of liars here about early works holding up better, Fiddler.

8/22/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

Olmert claims that he approved every plan his Generals brought to him.

I suspect there's more than a little Newspeak in Olmert's remark.

8/22/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

whit said:

It is a terrible misestimation to think that Condi didn't know where this charade was going.

whit, wouldn't President Bush have said misunderestimation?

His malapropisms are approaching Yogi's.

8/22/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So are mine!

8/22/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

I dream of being able to master the
Chewbacca Defense. It has no peer.
Rene Descartes trembles at it's piercing desideratim.

8/22/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger luc said...

Teresita said... 8/22/2006 01:54:38 PM

“Millions of people have died without preparation and they're no worse off for it!”

Being argumentative, How do you know? ;)

8/22/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Doug 2:41

Cool Hand Luke

8/22/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good ol' Wikipedia:

Now that I know what the "Chewbacca Defense" is, I don't have to keep my mouth shut and nod in agreement lest anyone surmise my real ignorance.

8/22/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BBC has announced an upcoming program about the "very American witchhunt" against Arabs in the days following 9/11.

Must we relive those days of shame when we rounded up not only Arabs anyone else that looked Muslim? The shame, the humanity!

It's too soon!

8/22/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hewitt is interviewing Gen Abizade now.

8/22/2006 03:13:00 PM  
Blogger Teresita said...

bobalharb said:

Teresita--that is really an aweful thing to say..

Well, as compensation, I changed my user profile to list my ethics as "Moral Naturalism" instead of "Social Darwinism" because I realize that Mr. Darwin has some negative baggage associated with his name. The reason I chose Social Darwinism in the first place is that Moral Naturalism per se isn't a well-developed stream of thought (in fact, I'm the one who wrote the Wikipedia article for it, and it was ripped to shreds by someone). And Moral Naturalism itself is only an approximation to what I really have in mind, which is Equilibrium Morality. Very Tao.

8/22/2006 03:13:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...


8/22/2006 03:14:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I'm ashamed of you, Teresita!
Wussing Out like that.
Most of Darwin's Baggage is undeserved.

8/22/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

The Brits will certainly appreciate the BBC's political correctness as they switch channels to see the news about the 1,600 suspected jihadis in their midst.

8/22/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

(of course Social Darwinism is something else-I just don't think you should give bobal any slack.)

8/22/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Equal-Librium Morality, that's 4 me!

8/22/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger luc said...

My assessment of the IDF situation in my /8/22/2006 06:58:29 AM was cheerful compared to what is posted now at http://www.yonitheblogger.com. :(

8/22/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Give me Librium or give me Meth!

8/22/2006 03:25:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Meuth, you feuhl! MEUTH!

8/22/2006 03:26:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I can't bear to read the stuff about Olmert.

8/22/2006 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

Olmert Goner
had a war

8/22/2006 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger PeterBoston said...

At least Olmert answered the question of what happens if you have a war and nobody from your side shows up.

Olmert is scary because it gives us a look at how quickly things can go bad when you have an unwarrior at the top of the pecking order.

8/22/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The World at the Abyss

This is spiraling out of control .

Was August 20, 2006 a tipping point. Is it June 28, 1914 redux?

Appalled, an impotent world watches.

8/22/2006 04:07:00 PM  
Blogger DanMyers said...

Iranian Navy flexes their muscle.

8/22/2006 04:14:00 PM  
Blogger luc said...

whit said...
The World at the Abyss
This is spiraling out of control .

Is this the article you meant ?
Cricket: Pakistan threaten to skip one-dayer
If yes it is really a terribly serious situation! :)

8/22/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Blogger luc said...

Doug said...
I can't bear to read the stuff about Olmert.

8/22/2006 03:28:45 PM
I do not know if you can trust DebkaFile on this but is is worth a read:
Some Lebanon War Riddles Solved and Their Relevance to Moves on Syria in Jerusalem Explained

8/22/2006 04:26:00 PM  
Blogger Db2m said...


I was amazed how you were able to keep your kool last night when someone, absolutely without warrant, called you a nazi.

You must be a Berra good Yogi...

8/22/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Yoni has a new post:
Amazing stuff going on.

8/22/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

WTC Images Displayed

8/22/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

'Rat had a warrant!
I Deputized him.

8/22/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger buddy larsen said...

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8/22/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The World Turned Upside Down
This can’t be right Somebody wake up Bobal.

8/22/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger Db2m said...

Doug be dissin' my pun again, by bouncin' off it.

Must be a case of punnus envy...

8/22/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Don't look back at this Pillar of Puns that is the BC.

8/22/2006 04:49:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Talking of Social Darwinism, the House of Representatives of the United States has voted to permit overseas sales of the F-22, part of the 2007 Defense appropriations bill. The operative amendment was introduced by Texan, Kay Granger. Granger is a Republican, whose district includes a Lockheed Martin plant.

The cost of development of the F-22 has been twenty plus years and more than $70 billion, with the rationale that it would give the US an almost insurmountable combat edge.

Just thought you would like to know.

Air Force Times (28 August 2001)

8/22/2006 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...

Doug (03:26:37):

Meuth, you feuhl! MEUTH!

I wouldn't think it would be the usual procedure for the master of the house to deal with the meuths.

Do you have a minkey license?

Jamie Irons

8/22/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Senior Airman Ted Hestilow, recently returned from Iraq, served as part of a six man EOD team assigned to the Army. For exceptional service one day in Iraq, the Army awarded his three man group the Army Combat Action Badge. Of course, the Air Force will not permit his team members or him to wear the Badge.

Yeah, these guys take the guts out of explosive ordinance, fight gun battles with terrorists coming and going, and are killed and injured by IEDs (just like any grunt) while serving with the United States Army; nevertheless, the Pentagon peacocks cannot see the way to permitting them the recognition the Army believes they deserve.

Don’t know how this fits with Social Darwinism, but possibly you might want to know.

Air Force Times (28 August 2001)


The IDF needs a sympathetic service specific publication like the Air Force Times.

8/22/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger Db2m said...

Allen said,

"The cost of development of the F-22 has been twenty plus years and more than $70 billion"


20 plus years to develop? No wonder many are saying it's already obsolete. Hate to see us spreading it willy nilly, though.

Very un-Tao.

8/22/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

My minkey doz nat need a license, 'e ez an independent contractor:
Do you think I would break the leu?

8/22/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Db2m good observation, however your line...

"Hate to see us spreading it willy nilly, though."

Are we being too hard on willy nilly? Leisure suits in the 70's were bought willy nilly as were platform shoes.
Rap music Willy Nilly
Millie Vanilli Willy Nilly

Willy Nilly I just don't know where I stand on the issue. Sorry to bring it up and then be a fence sitter but it's a metaphysical conundrum ..do we have any Willy Nilly savants in our august group who might be willing to give me a witness on Willy Nilly? I'll even take advice from a willy nilly collector...Thanks, confused in Florida

8/22/2006 05:34:00 PM  
Blogger Db2m said...

Chris said,

"Six months from now, when the war starts back up again, you will see a far different IDF."


I remember watching Douglas Edwards in 1957 when he broadcast news of Russia launching & successfully orbiting Sputnik.

Boy, was that ever a bucket of ice water dumped on us from behind. For a while, we really got to crackin' in this country, in the public schools.

The IDF and Israel got their bucket of ice, and it will be different next time.

In fact, one day (I have no idea when) it will take 7 months to bury the dead bad guys (Ezekiel 39).

8/22/2006 05:35:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...


Yes, I think you are a leu-brekker.

You have sheuwn yourself to be weun on this very bleugue.

Jamie Irons

8/22/2006 05:35:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...


Give me Librium or give me Meth!

ROTFLMAO....please a curtain call.

8/22/2006 05:36:00 PM  
Blogger Jamie Irons said...


I am referring of course to Wretchard's "regle des deux postes maximum..."

A leu which I never, ever brekk.

Jamie Irons

8/22/2006 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I caint be methin around forever:
Maybe Tater can take over.

8/22/2006 05:39:00 PM  
Blogger Habu_3 said...

Allen, That really sucks about those Air Force guys not getting to wear the CIB.

I wonder how many of the Air Force brass wear decorations from foreign nations.
That really is the height of Rank suck.

8/22/2006 05:41:00 PM  

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