Tuesday, May 16, 2006

Nonstate actors

Evidence that Al Qaeda is not sui generis but possibly part of a wider phenomenon was provided by Brazilian prison gangs. Using cell phones to coordinate their attacks, criminal syndicates torched buses, machine-gunned police stations and launched coordinated prison riots in an effort to force Brazil to rescind an order to transfer gang leaders to a high-security facility. According to the Washington Post:

SAO PAULO, Brazil, May 15 -- Masked men have attacked bars, banks and police stations with machine guns, gangs have set buses on fire, and inmates at dozens of prisons have taken guards hostage in an unprecedented four-day wave of violence in Sao Paulo. More than 80 people have been killed, officials said Monday. As President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva prepared to send in 4,000 federal troops, officials worried that the violence could spread 220 miles northeast to Rio de Janeiro, where police were put on high alert and extra patrols were dispatched to slums where drug gang leaders live. ...

Leaders of First Capital Command gang, or PCC, reportedly used cellphones to order the attacks. Gang members then riddled police cars with bullets, hurled grenades at police stations and attacked officers at their homes and after-work hangouts. On Sunday night, the gang employed a new tactic: sending gunmen onto buses, ordering passengers and drivers off, and torching the vehicles.

All the Brazilian gangsters really lacked to reach the first rank of villains was a good pitchman to cast their depredations in terms of some politically respectable cause; a task theoretically made easier because the gang leaders had roots in Third World slums instead of being billionaires like Osama Bin Laden. But the pitchmen may come later. Money can buy respectable apologists and not simply for cults. For the moment the gangs are content to use the very familiar tactics of hostage taking, attacks on civilian targets and attacks on police stations to achieve their aims. What difference there is between the Brazilian gangsters and Zarqawi's "freedom fighters" lies not in their methods but their goals. And maybe even those are the same.

It may be no coincidence that Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence is Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin is the same man who tracked down and killed Colombian narco-terrorist Pablo Escobar, a sign that perhaps someone recognizes the similarity between terrorism and gangs in the Third World.

From 1990 to 1991 he was at the Army War College. In 1992/early 1993, as a colonel, Boykin was in Colombia leading a mission to hunt for drug lord Pablo Escobar. Seymour Hersh later claimed in The New Yorker that there were suspicions within the Pentagon that Boykin's team was going to take part in the assassination of Pablo Escobar, and that US Embassy officials in Columbia were acting as support.

Thankfully Boykin never went so far as to shoot Escobar or the New York Times would have been highly displeased. But perhaps the Brazilian government is not similarly constrained. The Washington Post story continues:

Gilson Adei, 35, driving one of the few buses in downtown Sao Paulo, demanded that authorities lash back at the criminals. "It's absurd -- the gang members can do whatever they want? They can just start a war? And why would they attack the transportation, normal people? Next it will be schools," he said. "We should get the military on every corner and kill them."

It's ironical that while some American politicians want to treat terrorism as a criminal problem some Brazilians want to treat super-gangs as a terrorist problem.

Commentary

One difficulty with elevating Al Qaeda to a level completely different from the Lords Resistance Army in Uganda or the Janjaweed in the Sudan is finding some property, apart from scale, that sets them apart. Presumably Al Qaeda has a more coherent, nobler and rational set of aims. All they want after all is simply to conquer the world and subjugate it using weapons of mass destruction and unrestrained savagery. That is so much more reasonable than the irrational desire to sell drugs for profit and prevent the transfer of gang leaders to a different jail cell. But dissenters may be argued that the First Capital Gang, Lords Resistance Army and Al Qaeda are all byproducts of failed states or perhaps the an alternative form of social organization that now threatens to engulf large parts of the Third World. Thomas Barnett believed the world was better described not in terms of its Muslim and non-Muslim parts but as being divided between a Functioning Core and a Non-Integrating Gap: between localities that "worked" and those which were falling apart.

So what parts of the world can be considered functioning right now? North America, much of South America, the European Union, Putin?s Russia, Japan and Asia?s emerging economies (most notably China and India), Australia and New Zealand, and South Africa, which accounts for roughly four billion out of a global population of six billion. Whom does that leave in the Gap? It would be easy to say ?everyone else,? but I want to offer you more proof than that and, by doing so, argue why I think the Gap is a long-term threat to more than just your pocketbook or conscience.

Maybe Barnett should not have included too "much of South America" in his accounting of the Core. But if Barnett is conceptually right the problems of peace in the 21st century are rooted in the difference between the Core and Gap; between the world's gleaming cities and its seething hinterlands. The War on Terror is really the Struggle Against Chaos, a chaos that is riding the wings of Globalization. If so what institutions does the Core have to deal with problems like ultra-powerful Third World gangs, militias and terrorist organizations?  The UN, aid agencies and NGOs have proved no match for them in the past and nothing has come forward to take their place.

40 Comments:

Blogger Dymphna said...

It's too soon to tell yet. but there may arise citizen groups -- i.e., coordinated vigilante organizations that use the same tactics. If failed and failing governments cannot keep or restore order then individuals will...

...our southwestern states are beginning to resemble failed states. No one can rein in the chaos or curb the expense and damage to the infrastructure, so voila, The Minuteman Project.

This is not a phenomenon we can escape, only postpone.

5/16/2006 06:53:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

wretchard said:
"If so what institutions does the Core have to deal with problems like ultra-powerful Third World gangs, militias and terrorist organizations?"

Newspapers? (no, they think every gangster is the second coming of Che)
Broadcast TV? (no, they love the guys that make snuff shows)
Universities? (no, gangsters get immediate tenure)

The organization that can deal with networked gangsters will have to be equally fast and violent.

It may sound silly, but the 'beat cop' must get with the times. Newspapers, broadcast TV and universities vilify the 'beat cop', but that is where the rubber meets the road.

Watch the movie 'Untouchables' for details on the basic archetype.

5/16/2006 06:57:00 AM  
Blogger enscout said...

I'm glad someone finally grouped these similar organizations together.

It is simple , really. Al Queda is and always was a criminal gang. Forget that we should treat them as common criminals due to their international nature and their avowed goals of bringing down governments.

dymphna & nonomous are both on the right track. The antidote to such an organization would look something like the UN peacekeepers but with accountability throughout the ranks and with effective leadership.

5/16/2006 07:15:00 AM  
Blogger RWE said...

I think that at least a portion of the opposition to the war in Iraq stems from fear of discovering what works - and concluding that what works in Sadr City will also work in the Inner City - and what works to destroy gangs of "insurgents" in Iraq will work to eliminate plain old "gangs" in the U.S.

For example, we now have a large number of highly trained National Guardsmen, experienced at working in desert environments and at using high tech surveillance to interdict people trying to sneak past conventional barriers and through wilderness tracts. And battle hardened and disinclined to take any guff off of anyone to boot. What do you suppose they would be good for here at home?

5/16/2006 07:54:00 AM  
Blogger What is "Occupation" said...

welcome to palestine....

and so the world has set up the model for proper behavior of arafatism.

let us not hold high "settlements" of men, women & children that take the parched earth and creates gardens, but let us hold the automatic rifle, the gasoline bomb, the bullet, in the hands of the unbalanced as the standard of decency...

it all comes from palestine and the monkeys that hoop there...

5/16/2006 07:54:00 AM  
Blogger Tom Paine said...

UN Peacekeepers with accountability and effective leadership would be elevated to the level of a troop of Boy Scouts -- a vast improvement, of course.

What we need, however, is something that looks more like Task Force 145 in Iraq -- SEALS & Delta Force supported by Rangers, with "24" style intelligence capabilities and reaction times -- but multiplied to the size of the overall threat.

5/16/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger Evan said...

So what parts of the world can be considered functioning right now? North America, much of South America, the European Union, Putin?s Russia, Japan and Asia?s emerging economies (most notably China and India), Australia and New Zealand, and South Africa, which accounts for roughly four billion out of a global population of six billion.

Even within nation-states there is this divide, between those who have merged into the globalization freeway and those who have been flattened on the on-ramp. And the fact that the more people who have merged, the farther ahead they move beyond those who have not is a sign of trouble to come. When the average Singaporean has twice the income of the average Indonesian there is irritation; when the gap is five- or tenfold there is violent outrage. Given that being on the outside looking in doesn't prevent you from using the modern world's technology against it (viz., ramming aircraft into office towers with only a handful of box cutters as weapons), such technology will offer the functioning parts of the world little haven.

One could also imagine sections of much of the modern world lapsing into dysfunction - the slums in LA or Paris, large chunks of Rio and Sao Paolo (indeed much of South America once the world moves away from its overpriced oil), etc. So it will not be nearly as much an interstate problem as one demanding interstate cooperation against distinct but similar interior foes.

5/16/2006 08:40:00 AM  
Blogger Meme chose said...

Walls, more walls all over the globe, would increasingly appear to be a big part of the answer. It's absurd to think we can remain open when the gap between what happens in civilized zones versus choatic zones is widening so rapidly.

5/16/2006 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger Brett L said...

meme:

Actually, there is an alternative to more walls. Walls separate the civilized from the wilderness. The choices are build walls or tame the wilderness.

It seems that we, the West, have made our choice. If we will not release the hard men to do what they must, then we must retreat behind our walls. This has traditionally been the sign of a civilization on the wrong side of the apex.

Especially in the discussion of non-state actors, it is important to remember that victory over the wolves did not come at the pasture fence. The ranchers trapped and hunted them in the forests. Holding the line at the pasture only works until the wolves hunger outweighs their fear.

5/16/2006 09:18:00 AM  
Blogger Annoy Mouse said...

If the scenario that Wretchard describes is an indication of weak-states, then there will be trouble indeed. Los Angeles is home to 17,000 illegal alien gang members and the 10,000 strong active police force is shaping the battlefield by carving out vast “no-go” zones. Such a city has little hope defending itself when the state cannot effectively persuade the federal authorities that they have duties beyond pandering to populist ideology. With the lawlessness comes the speakeasy’s of criminal enterprise. With it comes too the money, the influence and the corruption that makes inseparable bedfellows.

For a nostalgic take on Brazilian drug gangs, see “City of God”. It is spellbinding.

5/16/2006 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

meme chose,

Your 8:54 AM - "walls"

A wall signals loss of confidence. The symbolism is never lost on the barbarians.

5/16/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

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5/16/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Effective control of Illegal immigration and the Border could drastically reduce the flow of drugs, criminals and terrorists North and money south to support the enterprises.
One World George has no interest in that result, as evidenced by his actions, lack of actions, and lies about it.

5/16/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Cheney is guest on Rush next.
The Texas Barbie Doll now in charge told Hewitt that walls are worthless, because they can be tunneled!
Talk about a weak argument!

5/16/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger Joshua Chamberlain said...

You need to be really, really careful about analyses, like Barnett's, that the world has changed and the old rules don't apply. Too often, we get sucked into the newest management consulting fad with "net centric warfare" or "4th generational conflict." Maybe we would be better off reading Thucydides and assuming the nature of Man has not changed.

5/16/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

wretchard,

You mention the "core and gap" and trying to find some sort of organizing order to this. It reminds me of Canada's Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, back in the '70's urging the world to shed its East/West view of things and adopt a north/south view. He was talking about the problems that could flow from a poor undeveloped south toward the rich developed northern nations. He was ignored back then and given the immigration debate in the US right now maybe those ideas will be considered...naw, I doubt it.

In searching for info on this I came across this article:

"It was back in the 1970's when the cold war was raging that the late Pierre Trudeau, then Prime Minister of Canada, began advocating what he called North/South thinking instead of East/West as a means of defining our foreign policy. In some ways this was his version of the Marshall Plan of the 1940's. Help the developing world become economically self-sufficient and you don't have to worry about them so much in the future.

By focusing on their problems and offering assistance instead of turning them into battlefields we increased the chances of them not having to depend on foreign aid or becoming our enemies in the future. Not surprisingly he wasn't able to garner much interest from any of the major players in the world at the time. Nobody was willing to think too far into the future.

As we draw to the end of the halfway point of the first decade of this millennium we see that the major economic powers of the world are still reluctant to commit themselves to this type of policy. The predominant attitude is still we will take what we need and to hell with your needs as a country. "

5/16/2006 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Cheney not aware of Jeff Sessions/Rector etc numbers of 100 million new citizens resulting from Senate Bill..
The Green Card Scheme/Scam was GWB's idea, however.
Hagel/Martinez were happily surprised to get more than they asked in their pursuit to tear the country apart while destroying the Republican Party.
Cheney mentions 6 Million deportations, but does not mention GWB's abandonment of workplace enforcement and the economic incentives that result.
This admin has enabled the problem to mushroom, then they tell us it's size makes near-term solutions impossible!
Least informative Cheney interview I have ever heard.
Doubt if Dick would have done nothing effective after 9-11, but Cheney was not POTUS.
Sucks for us.
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MSM TOUTING Bush success in the Polls!!!
It SOUNDED great to everyone that did not then explore the real implications and distortions.
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IRS/Social Security Programs could be used to solve 90% of workplace violations EASILY!

5/16/2006 10:56:00 AM  
Blogger TM Lutas said...

Barnett has let on that he works with municipal authorities who see his work being applicable on their scale level. That is including municipalities in the US. The problems are real, but solvable.

The difference between Al Queda and the rest, I suspect, is that nobody ever cracked open a Koran and decided to become a janjaweed in London. The LRA doesn't have any associates outside of its limited territories. Al Queda has had and will likely continue to generate affiliates scattered all over the world who spring up and join in spirit, mounting independent operations whether under that label or some other. It is the contagiousness of the doctrine which makes a difference.

5/16/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger allen said...

There has been a plebiscite in Mexico. It was unofficial, of course, and was certainly ignored by the pundits. Indeed, to be fair, neither the elites of Mexico nor the US were aware of its happening. But it was real and earth shattering in its implications.

At this writing, Mexico has a population of some 107 million. At the moment, as many as 20 million Mexicans already have entered the US illegally, seeking, so they say, the chance of making better lives in the land of opportunity. While entirely speculative, the US Senate concludes that tens of millions more Mexicans eagerly are awaiting the chance to immigrate. If the 30-36 million total predicted by some is correct, that will mean that soon the US will take in about 1/4 - 1/3 of the entire Mexican population of today. Not since the great migrations occasioned by the collapse of Roman government has the world seen anything like this.

Yes, there has been a plebiscite in Mexico. The Mexicans have voted with their feet. That being the case, why not end the charade and not only make of Mexicans Americans, but make Mexico itself part of America. Apparently, this would please average Mexicans, if we insist that every vote counts.

Dr. Barnett might be pleased to see that one of his fault lines was eliminated in an instant.

5/16/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Starling said...

Wretchard said ... "But the pitchmen may come later. Money can buy respectable apologists and not simply for cults."

Yes, money can buy such people. Yet money is not always required. MEMRI reports today that Noam Chomsky was recently in Beirut meeting with Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah. Here are some choice quotes:

"According to Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV network, Professor Noam Chomsky of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) visited Hizbullah headquarters this week, meeting with the organization's secretary-general Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah in a Beirut suburb as well as with other Hizbullah leaders. The U.S. State Department lists Hizbullah as a "terrorist organization." (1) It should be noted that Sheikh Nasrallah frequently calls for the destruction of the U.S.(2)"

Al-Manar goes on to state, "When asked about the U.S. list of terrorist states, he [Chomsky] said [that] if the U.S. was to stick to the clear and precise definition of terrorism in its code of laws, it would be the leading terrorist state."(3)

Link to MEMRI dispatch

Beyond shameful.

5/16/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger Ash said...

Starling, are you suggesting that what is "Beyond Shameful" is that what Chomsky said is true?


"(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators"

US Code collection

5/16/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Walls and Walls

To most small businesses their are several significant regulatary Walls already in place. There is the Fiscal wall which includes social security double tax on each hour of labor, federal and state witholding, workman's compensation and various other insurances, possible union benefits, health care and other regulations. We have created a huge incentive to hire illegal immigrants and a mostly non-existent deterrent to not. This is especially true in all labor intensive industries which addresses another Wall. That is the cost of capital. In order for a small business to acquire capital, it needs to borrow and has to earn taxable income to repay the capital borrowing. Low cost unregulated and untaxed labor shifts the preference away from capital machinery to labor intensive methods and businesses. Why invest $400,000 in a car washing line when a $50,000 line can be supplemented with fifteen illegal workers?

Government has many tools at it's disposal to use non-draconian methods to reduce the demand for illegal immigrant labor. It chooses to look in the wrong direction.

5/16/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Great points 2164th,
Then the Govt gives free services to all this "free" labor and their families, increasing the size of government, the dependent class, and increasing the impediments to doing business as it would be done w/o government involvement.

...and the size of the dependent/Democrat vote swells along with the government "workers" who provide our services to them paid for by the taxpayers.

Rube Goldberg would be proud had he been a sadist.

5/16/2006 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

It is FUBAR

5/16/2006 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Doug,

Would it not have been refreshing to hear GWB say we discovered the problem and it is US.

5/16/2006 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hewitt had a humorous call, except it's no longer true what with our
"Big Government Conservatives:"
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Bush could have said:
"We're fixing immigration, reducing the size of government, and I want to emphasize to our new arrivals that they should never vote Democrat if they don't want to turn this country into a Socialist Hellhole like those they came from!"

5/16/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Rush's interview with Cheney seemed like pro forma affair between two men who respect each other (for being straight-shooters among other things) who knew that he had been sent there by the boss to present the party line that they both know is lacking, to put it diplomatically.

5/16/2006 01:27:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I'd take Coulter, Malkin, and Ingraham over almost all the GOP "Men" in DC!

5/16/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger wretchardthecat said...

Two of the biggest stories in the last 24 hours have to do with South and Central America. Immigration, which needs no introduction. And Hugo Chavez who is trying to sell his US-supplied F-16s to Iran.

People like Chavez and Evo Morales (who was a coca farmer and who sees its production as legitimate) look likely to stay in the news. One point of view is that this represents a "resurgence" of Marxism in Latin America. I think this isn't exactly true. Marxism, like Islamism, is what the disaffected grab on to when their social systems are collapsing.

One of the ways the Core must deal with these effects is to build walls. Israel started the wall trend because they are further along than most. But even Europe will eventually start building barriers, not just of the physical kind, but the surveillance variety.

It's not unlikely, in fact quite possible, that the AQ and the narco-gangs will build alliances. One deals in drugs, the other in death. Or maybe both deal in the same thing in different forms. The striking things about the Iraqi insurgency was how tied together crime and radical ideology were.

5/16/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger Ivan Douglas said...

dymphna 6:53
Picture created by the situation has
right-left orientation with given by "situation" "orientation."Proper orientation of "strugle" in so huge area[30-40%]of globe,coordination,communication etc.,etc.,in the midle of fire,is task of unbelievable proportions.Over all those problems I believe, your solution is the only one.Right man comes in right time,right solution in proper time.
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ash:
....so called solution by Canadian Trudeau was not solution but source of the problem,as any f^^%$$ng with multiculturalism.""Give me"give me."".................

5/16/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

OT
NY Times has video on front page of Pentagon Attack.
rwe, et al:
How hard would it be to bring a 767 in at speed at deck level?

5/16/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger geoffgo said...

What's with all the disclaimers that we aren't militariziing the border?

Oh yes we are, and it will increase in lethality in direct proportion to the threat.

Why do we man the enforcement arm with Border Patrol. All other countries call them Border Guards.

5/16/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

"The Senate defeated, 55 to 40, a proposal by Senator Johnny Isakson, Republican of Georgia, that lawmakers demand that border-security measures be in place before beginning a guest-worker program of the kind envisioned by President Bush.
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Soon after defeating Mr. Isakson's proposal, the Senate overwhelmingly endorsed one by Senator Ken Salazar, Democrat of Colorado. It specified that immigration-policy changes envisioned in the legislation could proceed if the president declared that they were in the national-security interests of the United States. The vote was 79 to 16."
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What the heck does THAT one mean?
Maybe they'll vote to disband the House of Representatives as a National Security Measure.

5/16/2006 03:01:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

doug,

Your 3:01 PM - "Senator Johnny Isakson, Republican of Georgia"

Georgia leads the way?

I just went out for an errand and lo and behold “Ralph Reed for Lt. Governor” (Georgia) signs are becoming as ubiquitous as azaleas. If Doctor Reed is listening, the troops are hard at work.

Doctor Reed gained my respect years ago during his Gingrich and Christian Coalition days. Regrettably, Doctor Reed has cast his lot with the “mainstream” Republicans of the US Senate. No checks will be going out in the mail to support his campaign this year.

On his blog under title, “Securing the Border and Enforcing Immigration Law”, Doctor Reed supported Georgia Senate Bill 529. Among other things this fine conservative piece of legislation does for the citizens of Georgia is, well let’s allow the Doctor to speak for himself, “S.B. 529 requires an affidavit by a recipient of public benefits that they are a U.S. citizen, but it does not require presentation of proof of citizenship.”

To all you scofflaws and malefactors, don’t come to Georgia trying to get away with welfare fraud. No, sir! Why, you will be asked to sign an affidavit attesting to your citizenship! Got that! And Doctor Reed believes this piffle “a good first start.” To what, I ask?

For those having an interest, EVERY naturalized American citizen holds a document called the Certificate of Naturalization, which must be maintained at all times and made available upon request by any lawful authority. Why, that would even include officials of the state of Georgia, if they were so inclined. Of course, that would also mean serious law enforcement and that can be ever so messy. Why do that when the rubes can be so easily fooled by the nonsense found in Georgia Senate Bill 529.

Yes, I would like to help out Doctor Reed. First, however, he would have to stand for something other than standing for Lt. Governor.

5/16/2006 03:47:00 PM  
Blogger Red River said...

Hitler's Brownshirts were often convicted criminals. Psychopaths and crime go hand in hand.


What is the definition of collectvism except legalized theft - which is just the government being run by criminals.

5/16/2006 03:51:00 PM  
Blogger allen said...

Sometimes I feel that at some point I was abducted by aliens and after a long hiatus, only recently returned home. How else to explain this and the fact that it could be taken seriously.

"Mexico Threatens Suits Over Guard Patrols" - http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/
Immigration

Is Jimmy Carter still president?

5/16/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger John Aristides said...

Another big piece of news was Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador's deft exploitation of the immigration issue:

Illegal immigration to the United States is "Mexico's disgrace," caused by the government's failure to create enough jobs, the country's leftist presidential candidate said on Tuesday.

They are the ones mostly responsible for what is going on because there is no employment, there are no jobs in Mexico so people need to emigrate," Lopez Obrador said on his morning television show."

He said Bush's plan, announced on Monday night, to deploy up to 6,000 National Guard troops to help secure the Mexican border would not end the flow of illegal aliens.

"It is not the solution. It is not an alternative but it is a disgrace for us Mexicans because of the irresponsible rulers of this country," the leftist said.

5/16/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger Ivan Douglas said...

Walls,walls.All over the globe.
Hard to imagine more funny picture.Humanity will build walls,grow cucumbers on them.Top,broken glass.Factories produit megatons of broken glass.Mega holes for megavisits of friends............................
Meganonsense.
Solution acceptable:see dymphna 6:53 AM.w

5/16/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger Deuce ☂ said...

Dr. Zaius said...
Nurse Wretchard:

"Evo Morales (who was a coca farmer and who sees its production as legitimate)

So did Ollie North, John Hull and the Iran-Contra networks, including the Chinese opium Triads and ..."

This is a scandolous lie. I defy you to provide one piece of evidence about John Hull and drugs. Put up your evidence. You do not know one damn thing about John Hull and do not cut and paste some bullshit from some other lying post.

5/16/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger Mike H. said...

What was that limit? 6 or 8? Do you have to be contributing or can you just throw garbage out into the ether?

5/16/2006 10:51:00 PM  

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